Cloudflare Stops Supporting Neo-Nazi Site The Daily Stormer (arstechnica.com)

Timothy B. Lee reports via Ars Technica: All week, the infamous hate site Daily Stormer has been battling to stay online in the face of a concerted social media campaign to shut it down. The site lost its "dailystormer.com" domain on Monday after first GoDaddy and then Google Domains blacklisted it from their domain registration services. The site re-appeared online on Wednesday morning at a new domain name, dailystormer.ru. But within hours, the site had gone offline again after it was dropped by Cloudflare, an intermediary that defends customers against denial-of-service attacks. Daily Stormer's Andrew Anglin reported Cloudflare's decision to drop the site in a post on the social media site Gab. His post was first spotted by journalist Matthew Sheffield.

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Huh?

[mhkohne]

Has Cloudflare released a statement on this? Because...this is at odds with their previous behavior, and I want to know if it's just a one-off 'if you beat us hard enough, we'll do things' or if they've actually changed their mind. Because I'd kind of like them to stop helping DDOS providers.

Re:Huh?

[Motherfucking Shit]

They put up a blog post explaining their decision a little while ago.

I take some umbrage at Cloudflare's rationale. Their position regarding this site, as well as various other sites, seems to be "we're just a proxy." The issue with that defense is that by proxying for a site, the Cloudflare service hides and obfuscates whatever provider is actually hosting the content. This is a) by design, and b) necessary in order to make the DDoS protection effective. That doesn't make it any less problematic.

Cloudflare wants to pass the buck somewhere else in the "infrastructure stack," as they call it, and I don't necessarily disagree that what amounts to a glorified transit provider is the wrong place to be implementing blocks. But given the very nature of Cloudflare's service, how does one figure out where else to complain? When a site is using Cloudflare, all roads dead end in Cloudflare's network. The site's name servers are in the cloudflare.com domain. The site's A records are inside Cloudflare IP space. Cloudflare is the primary visible service provider in these scenarios, whether they host any content or not.

Case in point, I've watched this story play out with some interest over the past couple of days. I still have no idea where Daily Stormer's content was actually being hosted. It almost certainly would have violated the AUP/TOS of that hosting provider, and they probably would have terminated the site directly. But with Cloudflare in the way, no one knows who to complain to.

When your business model is being a black-box opaque front for all comers, don't be surprised when the world directs its anger at you.

Re:Huh?

[rtb61]

The only group that should censor is the courts, when ever corporations take it up themselves to be above the courts, to rule beyond the courts, it always works out much worse for us. Not happy with 'Daily Stormer' than take it too fucking court, corporations are not the fucking government. Want to take someone down, want to censor them, take it to court.

Re:Huh?

[Barsteward]

they are not censoring them, they are denying them access to their service, censoring them would mean that they could not go elsewhere to host their site.

Re:Huh?

[AmiMoJo]

Their stated reason (from your link) seems reasonable:

"The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology."

They were willing to proxy the site until the owners started claiming that Cloudflare were secret Nazis.

While these guys are nutters..

[thesupraman]

Sadly we can chalk up another 'win' to groupthink, oppression of minorities, and censorship.

Really, isn't the best way to fight such complete stupidity to keep it in the open?
Isn't censoring such people just making them feel more targeted, and therefore strengthening their solidarity?

All this has done is give a bunch of disenfranchised idiots more reason to hate..

Shine a light on them, don't chase them away to skulk in the dark, where they will do what they will do without anyone watching.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[gravewax]

Their is no censorship here. They originally made a business decision to support them, now they have made another to drop them. Really they should have avoided making any public statement in the first place and then they probably could have gotten away with the original business decision. Businesses have no responsibility to provide services to such a group and it isn't oppression or censorship to refuse them service, in fact it would be oppression and censorship to force them to support them.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[computational super]

Oh, it's even better than that. See, you and I have been told that "The Daily Stormer" has been censored and must be removed from our view because it was hateful. Although in this case I have no reason to believe otherwise, there's no way for you or I to verify whether or not it really was - or, if it was, just _how_ hateful and whether it really deserved its fate. This time it probably was, and did. But since we can't tell for sure, next time it may not, and we'll have no way to tell - it's been removed to protect us, see, and we have no business looking at it.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Ol Olsoc]

Sadly we can chalk up another 'win' to groupthink, oppression of minorities, and censorship.

Really, isn't the best way to fight such complete stupidity to keep it in the open?

Explain. This is not keeping people from putting their Blood and Soil and the Holocaust was a liberal Jewish hoax and Lets go here because there are some liberals gathering" websites on the internet, it is telling them that "we" aren't going to host it.

The Brave young Aryans are completely free to sign up with any service that will have them. Or even better, start one of their own, where they can spread their messages without having to worry about Liberals. In fact, they can deny those liberals access to their servers then, an obvious win.

Isn't censoring such people just making them feel more targeted, and therefore strengthening their solidarity?

First, it isn't censorship, and second, many of the people in these organizations are drawn to them because they feel disenfranchised, or have a deep seated need for hatred.

All this has done is give a bunch of disenfranchised idiots more reason to hate..

Shine a light on them, don't chase them away to skulk in the dark, where they will do what they will do without anyone watching.

Sounds like a demand for support of any group that feels marginalized. Sometimes groups are marginalized for a reason. Both of these groups have committed some serious crimes, either on a semi local level for the White Supremacists, or on a global scale, such as Nazis. And people who provide services for other people are allowed to deny service to others, except in certain narrowly defined circumstances. Good luck in the real world trying to convince most of America that they have to support either of those groups. You have a President who supports them - what more could you ask for?

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Anonymous Coward]

Someones never been on the daily stormer, or browsed comments on far-right websites. Did you know that an internet archive exists?

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[dslauson]

Shine a light on them, don't chase them away to skulk in the dark, where they will do what they will do without anyone watching.

Do you really think their site continuing unabated as-is would be "shining a light on them"? It would just continue to give them their dark corner of the web to flourish in, while the rest of us blissfully ignore whatever racist bullshit propaganda was being spread over there.

Now, I wouldn't advocate for a government crackdown, because I'm a big believer in the first amendment, but GoDaddy and Google and Cloudfare have no obligation to provide service these hateful monsters, as they've made clear in their terms of service, so if they want to pull the plug, I have no problem with that.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Anonymous Coward]

It might be modded up, now that most of the Google employees have gone home for the day.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[werepants]

There's "censorship", and then there's "you're an asshole, and association with you will hurt my reputation, so I won't do business with you".

It's not like an ISP is proactively blocking people who want to read this site's content, or the government is forcing people to abandon him. The free market is acting.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[cdsparrow]

I'm reserving judgement on this one since Stormfront is a bunch of whackos, but I don't like the general precedent being set here. Haven't looked, but I bet Antifa and BLM websites sit behind Cloudflare also. Where is the outrage for those folks? Last I checked it's been a while since any neo-nazis organized riots and burned down noticeable portions of big cities.

A business should be allowed to decide if it wants to take money from someone or not. That being said, why should a bakery be forced to bake a cake they don't want to bake? It seems to me that different rules are being applied to different groups. This mostly all started with the ADA here in the US - businesses being forced to make accommodations to a certain group of people. If a business wants to not take money from a group of people, that should be allowed.

Overall, marginalizing a group does tend to galvanize them. May slow down recruiting or something, but makes them stronger and more resilient to the detractors. Make sure everyone can see them and their message if you want to denounce them. No good answer, but methinks this is the wrong way to fight them.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[PopeRatzo]

Really, isn't the best way to fight such complete stupidity to keep it in the open?

Do you have an historical example of this working? I mean, there may well be some, but none come to mind.

If you shine a light on some bugs and they scurry under a rock, you can then blow up the rock and problem solved. You don't beat the bugs by inviting them into your house.

Nazis are cockroaches. When you promote genocide by idolizing genocide that already happened you forfeit your right to be part of civil society.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Zaelath]

Sadly we can chalk up another 'win' to groupthink

Or as those monsters at Wikipedia call it, "Society".

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[PopeRatzo]

All this has done is give a bunch of disenfranchised idiots more reason to hate..

And yes

Once you've reached the point where you sport a swastika armband and Nazi flag and throw up Nazi salutes and call for Jews to be put in ovens, you've pretty much reached peak hate. I don't think Cloudflare dropping the Daily Stormer is going to cause them to get a +1 Hate added to their stats because the Hate stat is pretty much capped at "Nazi".

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[ScentCone]

by "antifa" you mean "everyone who is not a nazi"

No, by "antifa" you mean, "People who deliberately plan and carry out violence and destruction to intimidate and silence those who don't share the ideological groupthink of their masters and defenders on the left." And, "People who are applauded in campus newspaper editorials for beating other people bloody and unconscious for wanting to attend an event featuring a speaker that isn't slavishly obeying every SJW edict and requirement."

Only disingenuous liberal tools consider anyone who isn't a violent antifa thug or their cheering section to be a Nazi. The antifa thugs are the very embodiment of classical Fascist brown shirt enforcement, and they know it. The left LIKES it. Just like they still think they're being cool by wearing their Che t-shirts, since even though he was a mass murderer, he was their mass murderer.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[ScentCone]

The difference is that the vast majority of the people who refused to award the Clintons with the power they demanded (including millions of people who voted twice for Obama) are quick and happy to register their disgust with that tiny number of idiots that make up the neo-Nazi types. But the people who desperately wanted to make Hillary's coronation happen won't even talk out loud about the violent thugs that spend months organizing to smash and burn things on their behalf.

Re: While these guys are nutters..

[Anonymous Coward]

You wanna talk about redefinition?
Censorship's original definition applies only to government.

Kicking someone out of your business is not censorship in any interpretation.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[JohnFen]

See, you and I have been told that "The Daily Stormer" has been censored and must be removed from our view because it was hateful.

Not really. You and I have been told that there are certain groups of people who would prefer not to be associated with The Daily Stormer.

The Daily Stormer can certainly stay up and remain accessible. They just can't do it with the support of those groups.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[duke_cheetah2003]

Businesses have no responsibility to provide services to such a group and it isn't oppression or censorship to refuse them service, in fact it would be oppression and censorship to force them to support them.

This is exactly right. However, infrastructure business have a responsibility to uphold free speech. They have shown extremely poor judgement by caving to pressure to suppress. Sorry, that is not going to work. And in fact, if history is a lesson, trying to stamp this out in this fashion is insane. These kinds of groups just become more hateful, radical, violent and provocative. If they can't speak, then they will act.

Let them have their wretched little website to spew hatred at each other. At least then we know who and where they are. Society is playing with fire here, repeating past mistakes.

Let me make a sort of messy analogy. Just pretend for a minute highways and streets were privately owned. This would be the equivalent of saying these people can't drive on your streets, period. And not only that, they're not even allowed to have an address on a street. Does that really sound like something we want to say we did to someone else? And pretend it's somehow a "good thing"? Really?

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Gr8Apes]

...and the way the alt-right is being treated by tech companies, and portrayed by the media, is generating sympathy from them.

The first thing the media should stop doing is calling them "alt-right". Call them Nazis and stop being PC. Now see if those neighbors are still sympathetic.

they sure as heck aren't going to vote for a Democrat in 2020.

Clue: They weren't going to vote democrat before this weekend either.

The Democrats need to start focusing on real issues like healthcare and jobs,

I don't know where you've been, but the Dems have been focusing on healthcare. You may not like ACA (clue: the dems don't either) but it's a far sight better than the 8 years in the making set of Republican healthcare plans we just witnessed.

As for jobs, you don't think those just jumped out of nothing since Jan 21, right? Trump's effects haven't even really started in the jobs market. The current jobs surplus, if you're going to give a president credit for them, would be Obama. Trump hasn't even gotten any legislation passed yet, other than the Russia sanction legislation that he wanted to veto.

And at this point, I'm not sure Trump could win a vote for parade clean up crew. It will be interesting to see if his disapproval ratings top 70% this coming week.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[phantomfive]

Now, I wouldn't advocate for a government crackdown, because I'm a big believer in the first amendment

You believe in the first amendment, but you don't believe in free speech. You want them silenced because you don't agree with what they say.

The only reason you are ok with them being silenced is because you don't like what they are saying. You are a hypocrite first class. You should go into politics.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[PopeRatzo]

Oppression, however, should never be the answer.

With the original Nazis, oppression was definitely the answer.

You think those soldiers that landed on Normandy were there to engage in civil discourse with the Nazis?

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[BoogieChile]

Would that be the Gibson Guitars with the 13 thousand square metre factory in downtown Memphis, Tennesee?

The very same Gibson guitar foundation that was raided found to have used illegally logged Madagascan Ebony?

Twice?

Protip: If you have to make shit up to support your position, your position is very probably wrong.

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[Jahta]

There's "censorship", and then there's "you're an asshole, and association with you will hurt my reputation, so I won't do business with you".

It's not like an ISP is proactively blocking people who want to read this site's content, or the government is forcing people to abandon him. The free market is acting.

Exactly this; obligatory xkcd explaining the difference between censorship and freedom of speech.

As the "hover text" on the xkcd image says, "defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you're saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it's not literally illegal to express"

Re:While these guys are nutters..

[eaglesrule]

Nazis are cockroaches. When you promote genocide by idolizing genocide that already happened you forfeit your right to be part of civil society.

And who gets to set the bar for what is permissible discourse for participation in a free society. You? The anti-defamation league? The corporate gatekeepers to the internet?

This, on the heels of witnessing someone getting railroaded and smeared for challenging the ideological dogma of one of the largest gatekeepers. Free speech, whether at political rallies or at college campuses or online, is being extinguished, and here you are cheerleading for it.

Cockroaches? More like canaries in the coal mine.

Re:The Internet

[messymerry]

LOL, I was a sysop before I was a webmaster, before I saw the big money moving in and financializing everything and I moved out... Now, I'm hiding somewhere near 45 deg. S. and eating lots of popcorn while I try to stay warm.

So much for common carrier status

[WolfWalker545]

I suspect these companies have failed to adequately discuss their moves with their lawyers, by taking actions based on viewpoint, they potentially forfeit their ability to claim legal protections as common carriers.

Re:So much for common carrier status

[mhkohne]

Actually, and especially with CloudFlare, I don't think anyone has much of a leg to stand on to take them on. First amendment is a thing that limits the government, not business - they are free to do business (or not) with whoever they choose.

Whether it's a good idea or not, is a separate thing.

Re:So much for common carrier status

[Just Some Guy]

by taking actions based on viewpoint, they potentially forfeit their ability to claim legal protections as common carriers.

This is, of course, utterly untrue per (ironically) Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

Basically, Cloudflare isn't responsible for anyone else's data, even if they sometimes reject serving other traffic.

Re:So much for common carrier status

[thegarbz]

they are free to do business (or not) with whoever they choose.

Almost. There are protected classes which you can not arbitrarily chose to do business with based on a specific set of reasons, e.g. a black person because they are black.

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Anonymous Coward]

First they came for the racists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a racist.

Then they came for the sexists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a sexist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me. And nobody was left to speak up for me.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[jedidiah]

Except the only thing that these people are actually doing is saying shit you don't like.

You clearly want license to abuse people you don't like and are too arrogant to see this ever being used against you.

Re:An ru domain... ohnee govarraht po ruskii?

[jedidiah]

The Nazis perpetrated on the Russians atrocities on par with the Shoa. Nobody in the West bothers to acknowledge this.

See Mein Kampf under "Lebensraum".

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Anonymous Coward]

Then they came for the straight people. You have nothing to worry about.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Quirkz]

Except the only thing that these people are actually doing is saying shit you don't like.

Are you sure it's the *only* thing? A gal I know got spit on by a stranger in a coffee shop in Denver today, because she was Jewish. Now maybe *that* guy isn't like these other guys with the same ideology, and as long as they're only talking about things, and it's just this guy who's working his way up through assault, there's a line there. But it's hard to believe anyone who self-identifies as a Nazi isn't hoping to have a chance to do at least that much.

Perhaps they should change tactics ...

[fahrbot-bot]

The site lost its "dailystormer.com" domain on Monday ... The site re-appeared online on Wednesday morning at a new domain name, dailystormer.ru. But within hours, the site had gone offline again after it was dropped by Cloudflare, ...

... and change their name to "weeklystormer" or "stormermonthly" and wait a while - it would cut back on the attempted registration fees.

Re:Yea but the gay wedding cake thing...

[dslauson]

You mean like, if a gay guy wants to buy a wedding cake from your cake shop, and you refuse to do it because you don't condone gay marriage?

I know you're trolling, but the federal government has well defined protected classes, and being a Nazi sure as shit isn't among them.

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[LynnwoodRooster]

But a baker is not free to choose not to make a commissioned, custom cake for a marriage they don't support. Right? Companies are free to discriminate only for certain targets...

Re:Nazi

[LynnwoodRooster]

The ones who are trying to "stop" those few thousand "storm front fags" on college campuses are the ones using brownshirt tactics.. The "SJW/social justice/Antifa" movement looks no different than the early Nazi party, it's just the target of their hate is different. Same tactics, same Machiavellian attitude towards themselves, same unwavering demand in 100% ideological adherence with zero dissent allowed. Enforced by violent means.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Rick Schumann]

Except the only thing that these people are actually doing is saying shit you don't like.

And running people over with their cars. Tiny little detail you left out.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[duke_cheetah2003]

Oh boy, there's a lot to unpack here. See this is the problem, you somehow think because they're bigoted assholes no one approves of somehow gives you a permit to be a bigoted asshole no one approves of. You're completely missing the point. You're just feeding the beast with all your own hatred.

You can dislike something without hating it. Hate is something we should not encourage from ANYONE. It never leads to anything good. Ever.

Like I can for example look at these groups and laugh at their idiocy that will never have anything but a very small following. All that adapt and evolution shit you vomited all over the place? That stuff takes a long time. Be patient young padawan. Eventually these people die. There's less and less of them every year.

But suppress them? Shame them openly? Make them feel like second class citizens? WOW, you just became them. Congratulations!

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder, would you have told the Jews to man up when they faced injustice against the Nazi regime?

Careful when cheering against acceptable targets without reflection. Some of the worst things in history occurred because someone else was an acceptable target.

Re: Shame

[dtandersen]

Bakeries are also private companies. Why are they forced to serve all?

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Joviex]

Bullshit.

I'm Jewish, living in the deep south, and nothing like what you describe has ever even come close to happening.

She's a liar, or unhinged, fabricating victimhood to support a false narrative.

And are you retarded too? Since when is Denver in the "deep south"?

Also, both of you are idiots for anecdotal stories: I once saw a white person help a black person, there are no racists!

I once saw a white person hang a black person, all whites are racists!

The fuck with all this false equivalency "I know someone who" or "my experience is". You all fucking deprived of oxygen just long enough to function as a vapid keyboard tester on the internet?

Surprise! You are not the only motherfuckers living here.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[Anonymous Coward]

> Tiny little detail you left out.

Probably because it's inaccurate to claim multiple people are "running people over with THEIR cars".
Sounds a lot like you're lumping people together to champion stigmatizing a group.
I'm sure that tactic has never gone badly.

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[LynnwoodRooster]

So - Cloudflare is NOT a commercial business? Or - since they are - they must provide their services to individuals with different political leanings (which is what the original intent of the First Amendment was - protection of poltical speech)?

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[LynnwoodRooster]

Apples and oranges.

If you're running a business of public accommodation (that is, a business open to the public), then you cannot legally refuse service to a customer solely because that customer is in a protected class.

So, Cloudflare does NOT run a business of public accommodation, then? And political speech IS a protected class - it's called the First Amendment. Or are "some animals more equal than others"?

Re:Nazi

[Pfhorrest]

So those college kids proudly waving around the flag of the people who tortured you, chanting the slogans of the people who tortured you, and espousing the ideology of the people who tortured you, doesn't bother you? They're not "real Nazis" despite adopting all the symbols of the real Nazis and standing for what real Nazis stood for? Why, because this generation of them haven't tortured you yet?

I hate those thug as much as you....

[aepervius]

But please let me correct you : ONE of them ran over an innocent person , murdering her. Not the whole group. ONE hacker hacking a medical device and killing one person does not make all other responsible. ONE Christian killing a gay does not make all christian responsible. ONE Muslim killing anybody with an IED does not make all responsible. One Gamersgate guy sending death threat to Anita Sarkezan does not make the whole group bad. I am sorry but I CANNOT stand such generalization, whether they are done on my friend or group I belong to (athiest, scientist, Pathfinder/DnD roleplayer - go ahead laugh) or group I do not belong to (all others above).

What you MAY have wanted to tell is that the racist supremacist asshole did not condemn loudly enough the action of the scumbag murderer. BUT again, this is the same stupid reasonning which is used against other group so it makes me uncomfortable. Condemn people for the action they do , do not condemn whole group for the action other did. Yes even the neo nazi. But you can condemn them all of having stupid racist ideology and so forth, it is after all how they advertize themselves, but condemning the whole group for the murder of the woman is incorrect.

Chip off Washington and Jefferson from Mt Rushmore

[KayakFun]

In the Netherlands police are trying (and failing) to disband Outlaw Motor Gangs based on the criminal activities of their members. Everybody knows there is a big correlation between OMG membership and crime, but the crimes are not orchestrated by the OMG. You cannot blame an entire organisation because one member committed a crime.

Volkert van der Graaf, who killed the dutch politician Pim Fortuyn 9 days before the 2002 elections, was a vegan and memeber of environmental pressure group Milieudefensie. Should we have pulled the plug on al vegan and milieudefensie websites?

Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh was killed by muslim Mohammed Bouyeri after being critical of Islam. Should we ban all islam websites? And close all salafist mosques?

I am not a fan of the far right or the far left. I am peacefully a bit left of the center. This witch-hunt is the end of free speech. If we give in to those social justice warriors you might as well start chipping the heads of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson from Mount Rushmore as they were slaveowners. Do you know who else destroys ancient art that does not conform to their ideology? Terrorist group IS.

Re:Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[KozmoStevnNaut]

They should be shamed openly, laughed at and not given a moment's peace. By simply letting them be, you are complicit in the recent rise of the extreme right.

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[tbannist]

This is incredible. Their CEO admits he knew he was wrong, but he kicked them off anyway, and double pinky swear he won't do it again.

What a clusterfuck.

Typical lies of the alt-right bubble-brains.

According to the interview with Matthew Prince (Cloudflare CEO), he felt that he had to boot the Daily Stormer from Cloudflare because the Daily Stormer started claiming that Cloudlfare was run by Neo-nazis, and used Cloudflare's refusal to boot them as evidence to support their claims. So they got booted because they made disparaging claims about Cloudflare and personally insulted Matthew Prince, the CEO, by claiming he was one of them.

Re: Meanwhile the extreme left is unscathed

[EndlessNameless]

According to the interview with Matthew Prince (Cloudflare CEO), he felt that he had to boot the Daily Stormer from Cloudflare because the Daily Stormer started claiming that Cloudlfare was run by Neo-nazis, and used Cloudflare's refusal to boot them as evidence to support their claims.

At first glance, this sounded like bullshit. So I checked, and that is exactly what happened.

From https://blog.cloudflare.com/wh...

The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology.

So, the operators of The Daily Stormer decided to run their mouths about the one company that tolerated their content. Not bright, unless they secretly craved a backwater existence on Tor.