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Cloudflare Stops Supporting Neo-Nazi Site The Daily Stormer (arstechnica.com)
Timothy B. Lee reports via Ars Technica: All week, the infamous hate site Daily Stormer has been battling to stay online in the face of a concerted social media campaign to shut it down. The site lost its "dailystormer.com" domain on Monday after first GoDaddy and then Google Domains blacklisted it from their domain registration services. The site re-appeared online on Wednesday morning at a new domain name, dailystormer.ru. But within hours, the site had gone offline again after it was dropped by Cloudflare, an intermediary that defends customers against denial-of-service attacks. Daily Stormer's Andrew Anglin reported Cloudflare's decision to drop the site in a post on the social media site Gab. His post was first spotted by journalist Matthew Sheffield.
The big American service providers on the Internet are sending a clear message. Extremism is ok as long as it's "progressive". Through their actions they are complicit of the narrative shaping conducted by mainstream media and ideological proponents of the extreme left. We are witnessing the collapse of free speech in Western society, in favor of large scale corporate manipulation.
Has Cloudflare released a statement on this? Because...this is at odds with their previous behavior, and I want to know if it's just a one-off 'if you beat us hard enough, we'll do things' or if they've actually changed their mind. Because I'd kind of like them to stop helping DDOS providers.
A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
Sadly we can chalk up another 'win' to groupthink, oppression of minorities, and censorship.
Really, isn't the best way to fight such complete stupidity to keep it in the open?
Isn't censoring such people just making them feel more targeted, and therefore strengthening their solidarity?
All this has done is give a bunch of disenfranchised idiots more reason to hate..
Shine a light on them, don't chase them away to skulk in the dark, where they will do what they will do without anyone watching.
The feeding frenzy has only just begun.
Is only for left-think.
I miss the BBS days.
in order to protect free speech. If we allow them any outlet to speak,then we are destroying free speech. It's so that we must be so intolerant in order to be tolerant.
Cloudflare should have stood their ground, the ACLU will! Speech that is not problematic doesn't need defending, as odious as stormfront is, this AC supports their right to publish.
How is the nazi movement doing? I don't know, we silenced them. Oh ok, everything is great then!
Obviously they do more than that and ban customers based on their liberal political ideologies.
I suspect these companies have failed to adequately discuss their moves with their lawyers, by taking actions based on viewpoint, they potentially forfeit their ability to claim legal protections as common carriers.
Perhaps a certain country is fanning the flames.
Please stop using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
I was tortured in Auschwitz by real Nazis - ie. German SS soldiers. Nazis aren't 18 year old white males on your college campus you disagree with. Sorry, but that's true.
Well I guess the answer to the old question
How do you shut down Hitler's web hosting is
Tie his Cat 5 cables in NAZIS.
You mean like, if a gay guy wants to buy a wedding cake from your cake shop, and you refuse to do it because you don't condone gay marriage?
The site lost its "dailystormer.com" domain on Monday ... The site re-appeared online on Wednesday morning at a new domain name, dailystormer.ru. But within hours, the site had gone offline again after it was dropped by Cloudflare, ...
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
And here we have another basement dwelling loser whose fweelings got all hurt cuz he and his racist buddies can't bitch and moan about how black guys are running the world. #Sad!
Waaaaaaaa! You gonna be ok, snowflake? Looks like someone needs a waaaaambulance! LOL!
It's wrong to censor speech and limit what people can say, unless I disagree with them.
If someone says something that I find offensive, it must be removed from view.
Everyone should just join hands with me and think the same way I do about everything.
Seriously, if you don't enjoy reading hate mongering random crap either avoid it or have your own site to spew your view point.
I personally find organized religion, sports and anything dispensed by any government to be highly offensive yet I'm not trying to have it all removed from the internet or blocked.
The people fighting saying it's not censorship, it is, it is censorship with the justification of money and profit. 'If we host this we may lose other income'.
The companies have the right to host what they want, but it is all just one slippery slope.
These discussions are hilarious. The usual suspects are acting all outraged, while deliberately missing the point and doing everything they can to distract everyone's attention from it.
The main point is: there are many entities on the Internet that are pretending to be infrastructure. But infrastructure is not supposed to make moral judgements. Infrastructure is not even supposed to make legal judgements. That's what courts are for.
Here is something to think about. Should electrical companies start shutting down their service to businesses that are accused of illegal activities? Should phone companies monitor calls and disconnect people who use racist slurs? Should post offices refuse to deliver mail from and to "bad" people?
Unless I'm missing something, this website was operational for many years, promoted the exact same views and yet was fully supported by the companies that just dropped it. AFAIK, there was no recent court injunction or anything of that sort. The only thing that changed was the media landscape.
This isn't even a question of Free Speech. The question is much simpler. Do you want Internet "infrastructure" companies to make judgements about everything they handle and take stuff down based on current events and social media campaigns? And how about manipulating information that goes through their servers and routers?
If I understand this correctly; Russia has better support for free speech then America?
(taking it up the ass isn't free speech)
kind of a shame, I thought Cloudflare didn't take down anything without a warrant.
So Cloudflare won't stand up for speech, but they'll stand up for black hat criminal operations? WTF?
The problem with taking a stance is that now you have to justify why you take action sometimes and not other times. I totally get why Cloudflare would back down here and that's their call.
But if they're going to start policing content, then why the hell are they shutting down the routing of objectionable content, but not clearly criminal content? Along with TOR, they're the haven of choice for Black Hats and other criminal groups. Brian Krebs and others have been trying to get them to stop for years, to no avail. And the people they are protecting are causing actual (criminal) damages to other groups.
If Cloudflare wants to be a true neutral party, I can respect that. Similarly, if they want to have a say over the traffic they route, I can respect that as well. But if they're going to take the latter route, then I think they need to be held more accountable for all the scumbag criminals that they provide protection for.
Although in this case I have no reason to believe otherwise, there's no way for you or I to verify whether or not it really was - or, if it was, just _how_ hateful and whether it really deserved its fate.
Sure there is: the site can still be seen on archive.org.
Good riddance.
Now that Cloudflare has kicked the Nazi's to the curb, let's get busy with some other more offensive sites that really have no business having access to the net. Everyone gets to name one.
Westboro Baptist Church. They gotta go. That trash definitely doesn't deserve free speech, they condone killing American soldiers!
So much for the idea someone posted yesterday that Russia would never help Nazis. When half the 'alt-right' who post here are Russians what else would you expect?
is that you are lying. Anything else is irrelevant.
No seriously, there is kippah for men, but all jewish women I know of, you would not be able to tell they are unless they tell you first. I am thinking that only half the story, or even maybe less is told here.... If there was such event to begin with.
But please let me correct you : ONE of them ran over an innocent person , murdering her. Not the whole group. ONE hacker hacking a medical device and killing one person does not make all other responsible. ONE Christian killing a gay does not make all christian responsible. ONE Muslim killing anybody with an IED does not make all responsible. One Gamersgate guy sending death threat to Anita Sarkezan does not make the whole group bad. I am sorry but I CANNOT stand such generalization, whether they are done on my friend or group I belong to (athiest, scientist, Pathfinder/DnD roleplayer - go ahead laugh) or group I do not belong to (all others above).
What you MAY have wanted to tell is that the racist supremacist asshole did not condemn loudly enough the action of the scumbag murderer. BUT again, this is the same stupid reasonning which is used against other group so it makes me uncomfortable. Condemn people for the action they do , do not condemn whole group for the action other did. Yes even the neo nazi. But you can condemn them all of having stupid racist ideology and so forth, it is after all how they advertize themselves, but condemning the whole group for the murder of the woman is incorrect.
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It's like communist maioists in the USA. A figment of your terrified life made to make you feel like your systemic fear is somehow rational rather than an irrational phobia of "other".
But what the other AC meant was that people have accused antifa of being on the other side protesting,when the protesters were not antifa never siad they were antifa and were instead protesting the rally. Which is something anyone can do and does not make someone "antifa".
Apparently you didn't even mean anything that exists in real life, defined solely to ensure that you cannot be wrong, because you've defined antifa to be what you're complaining about.
It's still the null set.
In the Netherlands police are trying (and failing) to disband Outlaw Motor Gangs based on the criminal activities of their members. Everybody knows there is a big correlation between OMG membership and crime, but the crimes are not orchestrated by the OMG. You cannot blame an entire organisation because one member committed a crime.
Volkert van der Graaf, who killed the dutch politician Pim Fortuyn 9 days before the 2002 elections, was a vegan and memeber of environmental pressure group Milieudefensie. Should we have pulled the plug on al vegan and milieudefensie websites?
Dutch film maker Theo van Gogh was killed by muslim Mohammed Bouyeri after being critical of Islam. Should we ban all islam websites? And close all salafist mosques?
I am not a fan of the far right or the far left. I am peacefully a bit left of the center. This witch-hunt is the end of free speech. If we give in to those social justice warriors you might as well start chipping the heads of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson from Mount Rushmore as they were slaveowners. Do you know who else destroys ancient art that does not conform to their ideology? Terrorist group IS.
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So the self-styled libertarians are throwing hissy fits about private businesses choosing not to host their material, for the very valid reason, that it is harmful to their business.
The irony is massive, this is a textbook example of what they claim to to want, the market regulating itself. Cloudflare do not want the bad publicity of hosting these knuckleheads who can't provide the cash needed to make this a worthwhile business decision.
And before you blurt out 'censorship and what about free speech', this expectation only applies to the government you loathe so much.
Let the Nazi shits scuttle off to the dark web with the paedos, no one will stop them from posting their drivel, because nobody will have to read it.
Businesses have no responsibility to provide services to such a group and it isn't oppression or censorship to refuse them service, in fact it would be oppression and censorship to force them to support them.
What if a business finds homosexual behaviour abhorrent, do they have a responsibility to provide services to "such a group"? Who gets to decide what "such a group" is? Is there a publicly checklist available so that due process can be followed in a consistent manner?
During the French Revolution and Henry VIII's reign, Catholics were "such a group" (with far worse consequences than most people would face now--guillotines and all). During McCarthyism left-leaning people were "such a group". Not too many years ago homosexuals were "such a group".
How many people, like myself, had never heard of The Daily Stormer before? Now I can't not hear about them as service provider after service provider drops them because of their content. If they had simply left them alone, I would still be blissfully ignorant of their website.
The same logic applies to the anti-protestors at Charlottesville. What could have been a quick blurb about a rally that nobody cared about turned into an absolute shitstorm.
'nuff said.
It's one thing to expect Cloudfare to professionally provide a service, but it's a whole other thing for a customer of Cloudfare to try to put bullshit into their mouths. Cloudfare was totally justified in "firing" their customer over that. I would expect anyone I do business with, to cut me off if started talking about them in that way.
Like, if I start telling people "My wireless ISP, T-Mobile, fully endorses what I say" then I'd expect T-Mobile to be very fucking annoyed, should it rise to their attention. OTOH if I said "T-Mobile has remaining reliable even when I used them for things they don't like" then that would really be me endorsing them, rather than shitting on them like the Nazis did.
tl;dnr: don't try to put your words in someone else's mouth. That's how you piss people off, even professionals. Don't. To this ancient advice we can now append the 2017 addendum, "That's what Nazis do!"
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Supports ISIS. Al Qaeda. Communist terrorists.
Folks who use Nazi symbolism as an edgy joke? Not so much.
You make excuses for neo Nazis, you get treated like a neo Nazi. Walks like a duck etc. The only difference between the neo Nazis and their apologists is that the former are shameless in their hate & are proud of their violence; their snowflake apologists hide behind their cowardly whataboutery.
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Its that this is part of a massive Salemesque witchhunt hysteria. If they had a problem with the site why didn't they ban it before? Why didn't they take down those statues in the past century? This sort of rapid bandwagoning should frighten anyone. Also just because its legal for private entities to censor doesn't mean its moral.