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Google and ProPublica Team Up To Build a National Hate Crime Database (techcrunch.com)

In partnership with ProPublica, Google News Lab is launching a new tool to track hate crimes across America. The "Documenting Hate News Index" is being powered by machine learning to track reported hate crimes across all 50 states, collecting data from February 2017 onward. TechCrunch reports: Data visualization studio Pitch Interactive helped craft the index, which collects Google News results and filters them through Google's natural language analysis to extract geographic and contextual information. Because they are not catalogued in any kind of formal national database, a fact that inspired the creation of the index to begin with, Google calls the project a "starting point" for the documentation and study of hate crimes. While the FBI is legally required to document hate crimes at the federal level, state and local authorities often fail to report their own incidents, making the data incomplete at best.

The initiative is a data-rich new arm of the Documenting Hate project which collects and verifies hate incidents reported by both individual contributors and by news organizations. The Hate News Index will keep an eye out for false positives (casual uses of the word "hate" for example), striking a responsible balance between machine learning and human curation on a very sensitive subject. Hate events will be mapped onto a calendar in the user interface, though users can also use a keyword search or browse through algorithmic suggestions. For anyone who'd like to take the data in a new direction, Google will open sourced its data set, making it available through GitHub.

310 comments

  1. Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by EzInKy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm about as left leaning as left leaning one can be, but this continous trolling by the editors really needs to stop. Please stop it now.

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    1. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What rational, mature people need to do is to start filing reports of all of the SJW bullies and the hate crimes that they commit on a daily basis.

    2. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Is this really the type of posters you want to attract Slashdot? This site is going to hell in a handbasket!!

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    3. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      How does a story about Google and databases not belong here?

    4. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going to hell in a handbasket since 2002

    5. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides #FuckBeta, this is why "SoylentNews" was born.

    6. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pro Publica +Independence = Soros Money = Killary = BLM = Terrorism = Allah Akbar

    7. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound just like a bigoted and butthurt SJW child. Grow a pair and grow up.

    8. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What rational, mature people need to do is to start filing reports of all of the SJW bullies and the hate crimes that they commit on a daily basis.

      Like this? We already understand the pathology of fake oppression and victimhood. What mature people need to do is start supporting SJW safe spaces, we used to call them asylums.

    9. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google should build a bot to track how often Jews advocate diversity for Israel vs advocating diversity for white countries. While they're at it, they can compare black on white woman race mixing propaganda in advertising to black on Jewish woman race mixing propaganda in advertising.

    10. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're a bit mad, aren't you? But that's OK, there are plenty of crazies here.

    11. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and post them to Stormfront, the only place anyone would give a shit about your hurt snowflake feelings.

    12. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm about as left leaning as left leaning one can be, but this continous trolling by the editors really needs to stop. Please stop it now.

      Just so our slahdotter bretheren understand who they are supporting - Chris Cantrell, https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    13. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by myowntrueself · · Score: 0

      Is this really the type of posters you want to attract Slashdot? This site is going to hell in a handbasket!!

      Are you saying that SJWers are not bullies and have not committed hate crimes?

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    14. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw, did someone hurt your little snowflake fewlings by noting that SJW bull is oppressive? It's called projection, honey.

    15. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got that the wrong way around. SJWs are the delicate snowflakes who think they are entitled to not be offended because mommy and daddy told them they were special. The truth is, you and the other SJWs are worthless crybabies.

      Welcome to the real world, junior.

    16. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by hackwrench · · Score: 0

      I played a merry tune and you did not dance, a dirge and you did not mourn.

    17. Re: Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Old tech. They are both how old now?

    18. Re:Okay Slashdot, this is enough!! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      What rational, mature people need to do is to start filing reports of all of the SJW bullies and the hate crimes that they commit on a daily basis.

      Ohh look, it's a whining Social Justice for Nazis Warrior.

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  2. Yay for censorship technology by klingens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wonder how they train this pseudo-AI to recognize what hate crime is. Humans can't really reliably do it, it's always a judgment call very much biased by the individual person's view, especially political views.
    And when this AI then can reliably reproduce the views of the one paying for it, Google, then it's awesome to filter pretty much the whole internet the way they want.

    The future is a brave new world and I'm very happy to be a part of it!

    1. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, describing some one else as the lesser because they are of another race/religion/sexuality/etc is hard to pick out.

      Maybe not?

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    2. Re: Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, describing some one else as the lesser because they are of another race/religion/sexuality/etc is hard to pick out.

      Describing someone isn't much of a crime.

    3. Re: Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about if they have thin orangey skin? Asking for a friend.

    4. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Governments, political parties, faith groups, cults, NGO's, brands, nations, historians, the security services, authors, celebrities will soon want their own additions to what a crime is.
      All with equal standing to have terms and words added, tracked and reported on.

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    5. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Cis white men" are scum. Generally accepted as "not hatespeech".

    6. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      I understand there's plenty of room for ambiguity for things like this but anyone who describes someone as the lesser because of race/religion/sexuality/etc pretty easily falls into a category of undesirables by any part of society I have any respect for.

      Maybe you're a Nazi, maybe a hardcore Christian, maybe a hardcore Muslim, maybe some sort of other extremist. I don't care. They're all scum to me.

      On the other hand if you're for a free and open society where everyone lives their lives according to their own beliefs that don't impede others then you're on my team and I refuse to stereotype people based on their backgrounds.

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    7. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Is there any evidence to support this? Seems like some groups have been demanding things like blasphemy be banned forever, but Google hasn't done much for them.

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    8. Re:Yay for censorship technology by syzler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...anyone who describes someone as the lesser because of race/religion/sexuality/etc pretty easily falls into a category of undesirables...

      Maybe you're a Nazi, maybe a hardcore Christian, maybe a hardcore Muslim, maybe some sort of other extremist. I don't care. They're all scum to me.

      You just described hardcore Christians and maybe hardcore Muslims as scum due to their religion. Does this not make you an undesirable by your own reasoning? Perhaps the world is more nuanced than you allow for in your reasoning and perhaps degenerating an entire group due to either stereotypes or lack of understanding of a group's beliefs is not wise nor fair.

    9. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Like liberals saying their morally superior to conservatives? Or someone saying, for instance, that a very religious person is "all scum to me"? Expression of hate towards those that hate is still hate. Hatred comes from many perspectives.

      It's not a crime in this country to dislike another or to express ill feelings towards another. It is a crime to commit assault or worse. Regardless of if it's against a group that you're not a member of. A white person beating the crap out of another white person is just as hateful an act as a racist beating the crap out of a person of another race. The hate is just stemming from some other reason. The entire concept of hate crimes is nothing more than political fodder and appeasement. No person has the right to do physical harm to another regardless of the backgrounds of the two people.

    10. Re:Yay for censorship technology by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >They're all scum to me.

      And you are scum to me.

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    11. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Barsteward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That depends what those hardcore religious people are doing. if they are spreading hate, threatening people, generally being a catalyst for violence etc, then the comment is fine. but if they are within their own community keeping to themselves and not bothering anyone, i doubt anyone would have a problem with them.

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    12. Re:Yay for censorship technology by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Maybe not explicitly. But with the rise of "islamophobia" (a particularly nasty term), some people feel that certain minority religions need extra legal protection against "hate". It has been suggested, even in the upper echelons of the EC, that there ought to be laws against islamophobia, and that mere criticism of that religion should fall under the definition of that word. In this day and age I can see companies jumping on that bandwagon, either out of their own volition or because they are being pressured onto it by the public. Not the majority public but a small but loud minority of do-gooders who demand from companies that they stop doing business or advertise with "immoral entities", or they will be publicly shamed. This is already happening, albeit with little success thus far.

      And after all that, other religions will demand similar protection, of course. Which pretty much amounts to reinstituting the old blasphemy laws.

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    13. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      The problem here is including religion on the list of protected classes.

      Hardcore Christians and Muslims do discriminate on the grounds of sexuality and gender. Their religion should not afford them any protection.

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    14. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Cis white men" are scum. Generally accepted as "not hatespeech".

      I have been on this Earth for half a century at this point. During that time I have realized that the media thrives on focusing on their preferred hate target. Today it's "Nazis." It has been pedophiles for some time. It had been terrorists. I remember a period where it was Satanists. And home grown militias.

      Unfortunately we have "progressed" to the point where vocal groups have torn society apart. The media wants to focus on one side because that sells papers, generates clicks, and improves ratings. The tech industry is working hard to marginalize the other side. If the other side is as "violent" and "hate filled" as we are led to believe, there is liable to be a lot of violence as a result.

    15. Re:Yay for censorship technology by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, describing some one else as the lesser because they are of another race/religion/sexuality/etc is hard to pick out.

      Perhaps, but is that a crime?

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    16. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Some people conflate Islam with race. In fact a lot of people do when it comes to discrimination. So there is some desire to protect people from a kind of racial discrimination, but stuff like blasphemy laws can fuck right off.

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    17. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That depends what those hardcore religious people are doing. if they are spreading hate, threatening people, generally being a catalyst for violence etc, then the comment is fine. but if they are within their own community keeping to themselves and not bothering anyone, i doubt anyone would have a problem with them.

      When did "spreading hate" become a crime (in the US)? If that is the case, why are there so many hate spreading groups like Antifa allowed to exist in this country? Or is it just spreading the "wrong" kind of hate that is a crime? I have heard so many "left leaning" people over the past week on this site advocating murdering people they don't like (who they claim to be Fascists and Nazis). I myself have been called Nazi for disagreeing that people should be "eliminated" due to their associations. The left has completely lost its mind since Trump was elected.

    18. Re:Yay for censorship technology by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Wonder how they train this pseudo-AI to recognize what hate crime is

      It's a pretty simple algorithm actually:

      IF Victim = ("black" OR "woman" OR "gay" OR "Muslim") AND Perpetrator = "straight white male"
              THEN HateCrime = TRUE
              ELSE HateCrime = FALSE

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    19. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what kind of weighting they'll give islam and the regressive left. No way they could let an impartial AI run its course: the narrative would crumble.

    20. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep BLM, ANTI-FA they are racist hate crime organisations and should land square at the top of any hate group list.

      Now being as they are the darlings of the left of course that wont happen cause "they are fighting the only way they know how"

    21. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean like BLM and antifa whose use violence and hate to threaten people.

    22. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no 'AI' involved in this. It's be revealed that leftist are handing out 'black lists' of people they don't like. It showed up on /pol/ first but already starting slowly work its way though the news cycle. Give it a few more days and you'll start seeing it.

    23. Re:Yay for censorship technology by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      And you are scum to me.

      In the long run, we're all scum. If that's all you have to add to the conversation, you have nothing worth adding.

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    24. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their initial algorithm will flag something like "I hate all blacks and they should be killed, meet me at the BLM rally and bring your guns." But inevitably SJWs will wonder why "I want to end affirmative action laws" isn't flagged and will tweak the algorithm accordingly.

    25. Re:Yay for censorship technology by w3woody · · Score: 1

      Remember Microsoft's racist AI? Or how about the racist algorithms being used in criminal sentencing?

      The problem with developing an AI to detect "hate crimes" is "garbage in, garbage out": you can never create a race-free AI if you train it using bad data which may be racially biased. And because we cannot train AIs without input data, and because the input data is all bad--all we would be doing is hard-coding bad assumptions into inscrutable and unaccountable algorithms.

    26. Re:Yay for censorship technology by epine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You just described hardcore Christians and maybe hardcore Muslims as scum due to their religion. Does this not make you an undesirable by your own reasoning?

      Here, let me help you.

          if (hardcore_attitude &&
                        (Christian || Muslim || yadayada))
              denounce();

      If I presented that block to you in code review, you'd make the same observation?

      Here, let me help you again.

          if (hardcore_attitude) {
              if (Christian || Muslim || yadayada)
                  extra_denounce();
              else
                  denounce_anyway();
          }

    27. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Behind a catalyst? How about real crimes like rape, torture, enslavement, and killing?

    28. Re:Yay for censorship technology by myowntrueself · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The problem here is including religion on the list of protected classes.

      Hardcore Christians and Muslims do discriminate on the grounds of sexuality and gender. Their religion should not afford them any protection.

      But that would be discriminating on the grounds of religion.

      Can't people just be tolerant of discrimination? You discriminate, they discriminate, we all discriminate. You can't say one form of discrimination is wrong and yours is right. Well, you can but it would just reveal how small minded you are.

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    29. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      But that would be discriminating on the grounds of religion.

      Can't people just be tolerant of discrimination?

      You say I discriminate on the grounds of religion, and then ask why I don't tolerate discrimination.

      I'm not even going to bother.

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    30. Re: Yay for censorship technology by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      It's probably not worth bothering. Something might shatter.

    31. Re: Yay for censorship technology by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1
    32. Re:Yay for censorship technology by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      I know you wrote that in jest, but you're very much on target.

      I think we're too far down the slippery slope to ever recover. It's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
      Lock and load, people.

    33. Re:Yay for censorship technology by syzler · · Score: 1

      if (hardcore_attitude && (Christian || Muslim || yadayada)) denounce();

      You too are falling into the same self denunciation. The idea that denouncing someone for having a "hardcore attitude" without nuance is in my mind also a hardcode attitude and adding "extra_denounce" for a person's religion is also repugnant.

      The last time I checked, the judge does not add extra time to a prison sentence during sentencing due to the defendant being Christian, Muslim, or "yadayada". However I do believe that the judge usually has some leeway in terms of the sentencing depending upon the nuances of the case. So I say again, reducing individuals and groups to a single binary conditional is a very hardcore attitude.

    34. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PROTIP: Google are full of shit.

      The "AI" they keep bullshitting about is just blacklists maintained by SJW employees.

      No-one with any actual ability in Google is working on AI to classify hate speech.

      Using an AI to clamp down on free speech would be appalling and no-one with even a hint of decency or brains would have anything to do with it. They are all busy polishing their CVs due to the recent firing of the perfectly decent and reasonable James Damore and the leaks showing how stupid SJW managers within Google are turning it into a McCarthy-style shithole.

      You're going to see over the next year Google being slowly disembowled.

      The search/ad words that powers the entire rotten money-soaked structure is held up by half a dozen wizards... and they are all going to leave. It's going to be gutted from the inside and besieged by lawsuits for its blatant political censoring.

      The final axe blow will be when the government steps in because Google has crossed the line into outright political manipulation. It's going to be chained with regulations... your phone company can't disconnect you for disliking immigration or voting Trump... and neither will Google once they are chained up.

      Google is really fucked at this point.

      And frankly... good. They deserve it. Fuck them.

    35. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry they don't like trannies. Most of us here on Earth don't, yet still here you are.

    36. Re: Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fucking Islamophobic Nazi racist piece of shit.

    37. Re: Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with people like you is that you would promote blasphemy laws, and burkas, because you subscribe to intersectional theory. (You might not realize that you do... Look it up.)

      It demands that in order to be a feminist, you have to promote and submit to Islam. Islam demands that women are property, gays must die, and blasphemy is the highest offense possible.

    38. Re:Yay for censorship technology by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      Wonder how they train this pseudo-AI to recognize what hate crime is. Humans can't really reliably do it, it's always a judgment call very much biased by the individual person's view, especially political views.

      The problem has been solved long ago; all Google has to do is to follow the lessons of their illustrious predecessors in the promotion of right thinking:
       

      There will be some innocent victims in this fight against Fascist agents. We are launching a major attack on the Enemy; let there be no resentment if we bump someone with an elbow. Better that ten innocent people should suffer than one spy get away. When you chop wood, chips fly.

        Nikolai Yezhov, People's Comissar for Internal Affairs and head of the NKVD

      Just flag it as hate anyway - you can be sure somebody somewhere will be offended.

    39. Re:Yay for censorship technology by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      But that would be discriminating on the grounds of religion.

      Can't people just be tolerant of discrimination?

      You say I discriminate on the grounds of religion, and then ask why I don't tolerate discrimination.

      I'm not even going to bother.

      Do you think that people should only be allowed to believe things that have been approved, perhaps by some kind of committee or panel?

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    40. Re:Yay for censorship technology by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      No. I'm not even sure why you would ask me that. Do you believe it?

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    41. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Z80a · · Score: 1

      The AI probably will learn it quite well.. but then the owners of the AI will not like the opinion of it, and will force the AI to do what they want with blacklists and filters on top of it, like blocking the AI from acting when its a case of "hate against white people".

    42. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      By hardcore I mean those who seek to impose their beliefs on others. A belief that people should not impose their beliefs on others is not the same as one that does any more than some one who believes freedom of speech is not trying to subvert the speech of those who don't.

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    43. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      The problem with being tolerant of discrimination is that you are then in favor of limiting the opportunities of said class being discriminated against. Being tolerant of discrimination would have meant letting segregation and all of its negative effects on black people stay in place in America. After all, these policies were all properly voted in at the state level.

      I would certainly agree that tribalism is inherent to humanity and something we all engage in even if it is sometimes unconscious. On the other hand I regard it as the primitive "devil" in all of us and is the cause of most of our world's woes.

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    44. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 0

      So I'm scum for not liking those intolerant of others? So the abolitionist was scum for fighting for the freedom of slaves? So the civil rights advocate was scum for advocating equality?

      Sorry, there is no equivalency between those who oppose forcing ones will on others in a negative fashion and those who oppose such actions.

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    45. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You seem very catholic in said opinion. As some one of a Catholic background I reject such things as original sin. One only has to look at the plethora of studies done on young children playing amongst themselves. They could give a rats ass about ethnicity or anything else unless they were told to believe otherwise.

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    46. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of things that aren't a crime but are undesirable and warrant keeping an eye on. Is it a crime to work on sensitive data but maintain constant contact with the Chinese government? Not at all until you transmit some of that data to them. Likewise with members of hate groups, be they white supremacist, Muslim extremist, or anything else.

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    47. Re:Yay for censorship technology by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      No. I'm not even sure why you would ask me that. Do you believe it?

      I think thats where your society is headed.

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    48. Re:Yay for censorship technology by myowntrueself · · Score: 0

      The problem with being tolerant of discrimination is that you are then in favor of limiting the opportunities of said class being discriminated against. Being tolerant of discrimination would have meant letting segregation and all of its negative effects on black people stay in place in America. After all, these policies were all properly voted in at the state level.

      I would certainly agree that tribalism is inherent to humanity and something we all engage in even if it is sometimes unconscious. On the other hand I regard it as the primitive "devil" in all of us and is the cause of most of our world's woes.

      The problem with being intolerant of things people believe in is that it starts to become acceptable to veto peoples beliefs and force people to believe only what they are allowed to believe in.

      This starts to become very much like a theocracy, even if its not religious. Its going to get extremely oppressive.

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    49. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "negative" is all perspective. If you view it from the perspective of the future in 100 years, the negative might very well become a positive. The problem with being self righteous and attempting to stifle opposing beliefs, no matter how many people agree with you, is that you prevent debate, good new ideas and progress as a society. All you're fighting for is a homogeneous society based on your current beliefs. That's how authoritarian societies come to be. Not free, democratic ones.

      You need to step back and look at the bigger picture. In the long run, tolerating the despicable allows the good to seed and eventually flourish. Have faith that society as a whole is good and will take the right paths. We may occasionally flounder, but humanity will do the right thin when given the freedom and when people respect each other enough to have discourse and debate rather than ignore and shut down.

    50. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such as gay activists wanting to force churches to perform gay civil marriages or censoring a Wyoming judge for stating she could not perform same-sex marriages despite it not being her job nor having not ever been asked to perform such a marriage or pressuring a CEO to resign for supporting California's prop 8 or a city banning a Catholic farmer from it's farmers market for not hosting gay weddings on his private farm which is located 22 miles outside the city limits.

      More and more, it feels that it is the LGBT community which is imposing its beliefs on others such as Christians for simply not wanting to participate in LGBT events. If it is unreasonable to coerce people to participate or promote immoral acts such as producing pornography, pedophilia, FGM, or prostitution, why is it reasonable to force people to participate in LGBT marriages which orthodox Christians and Catholics hold to be immoral as these "marriages to be immoral? Especially since the 1st amendment explicitly states that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof'. Forcing participation in LGBT events would prevent Christians from the free exercise of their religion which instructs them to 'go and sin no more'

    51. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're arguing a slipperly slope. Nice.

      Answer me this, should we as Americas been tolerant of the South's racially based segregationist laws?

      If you answer "no" then you've just made my core point, the rest is just debating details and scope. If "yes" then you are in favor of allowing people to oppress others along racial lines which certainly isnt tolerance either and you are thus a hypocrite.

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    52. Re:Yay for censorship technology by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      You're arguing a slipperly slope. Nice.

      Answer me this, should we as Americas been tolerant of the South's racially based segregationist laws?

      If you answer "no" then you've just made my core point, the rest is just debating details and scope. If "yes" then you are in favor of allowing people to oppress others along racial lines which certainly isnt tolerance either and you are thus a hypocrite.

      The post I was responding to was arguing about religious freedom rather than governmental freedom. They referred to Christians and Muslims as if these groups should not be tolerated because of their beliefs about gender.

      I get the impression that many SJW types in the USA would, indeed, ban beliefs that they found intolerable.

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    53. Re:Yay for censorship technology by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Well if someone's motivation for actively discriminating against someone is their religion it's really not any different than if they are because of some other personally held beliefs. Would our segregationist laws been any better if they were all justified religiously?

      The post you were replying to originally also used my prior language of "hardcore" Christians and Muslims as a means of separating out the vast majority of normal people from the extremists who actively put their beliefs on others in an oppressive manner.

      Finally, there are extremists in every ideology that would ban contrary beliefs, this is not at all a unique quality of certain SJWs.

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    54. Re:Yay for censorship technology by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Got it in one. Unfortunately you are too blind to see why this is correct.

      Hint: it has something to do with power disparities.

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    55. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slight revision:
      IF Victim = ("black" OR "woman" or "gay" OR "Muslim") AND Perpetrator = ("straight white male" OR Milo Yiannapoulos" OR "Christian" OR "conservative anything")
                          THEN HateCrime = TRUE
                          ELSE HateCrime = FALSE

    56. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand there's plenty of room for ambiguity for things like this but anyone who describes someone as the lesser because of race/religion/sexuality/etc pretty easily falls into a category of undesirables by any part of society I have any respect for.

      Maybe you're a Nazi, maybe a hardcore Christian, maybe a hardcore Muslim, maybe some sort of other extremist. I don't care. They're all scum to me.

      On the other hand if you're for a free and open society where everyone lives their lives according to their own beliefs that don't impede others then you're on my team and I refuse to stereotype people based on their backgrounds.

      You don't understand the concept of free speech do you? As Volatire said ", “I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it”. Probably a millenial with poor indoctrinated education so I'll try and explain carefully. People have the right to disapprove of groups as your post has just displayed. You are disproving and making wide generalizations about groups. It is just that you think you have the moral high ground.

      See in places like Germany in the 1930s and Stalin's Russia and under Mao in China and indeed in smaller places like Argentina where dissidents were "disappeared' the first thing the government went for was limiting and curtailing free speech. Why? Well so when Stalin starved millions of Ukrainians to death nobody knew. And media like the NY Times kept publishing glowing reports of the success of Russia because that is the carefully crafted info they had. Few outside China knew of the terrible starvation there. No free speech you see. Few knew what the Germans were doing to the Jews. No free speech you see. My very old grandfather has a number tattooed on his arm put there by the Germans. Why? Well there was no free speech.

      So be careful when you start self righteously on what can and cannot be free speech. Far better to know what crackpot groups left and right are saying. Far better to have stuff out in the open that can be refuted than imagining fatuously that anything hidden from view goes away. it doesn't. It just get worse.

      Understand: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DEGREES OF FREE SPEECH. IT IS ALL OR NOTHING. It is better to have all.

    57. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's obviously a NWO directive. thought crimes, enforced by the network. no bitcoin or autonomous transport credit for you. total control.

    58. Re:Yay for censorship technology by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Maybe you're a Nazi, maybe a hardcore Christian, maybe a hardcore Muslim, maybe some sort of other extremist. I don't care. They're all scum to me.

      You just described hardcore Christians and maybe hardcore Muslims as scum due to their religion.

      Errm, he made the distinction between the hardcore adherents and the other followers of a religion, so damn obviously no. What are you, a dumb Nazi?

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  3. Nonsense. by skam240 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Trolling? What the hell are you talking about? I'm all for freedom of speech but as a society committed to freedom and openness we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements.

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    1. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I mean how else can you round them up and properly shame them?

    2. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trolling? What the hell are you talking about? I'm all for freedom of speech but as a society committed to freedom and openness we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements.

      Once upon a time that meant a registry of people with Jewish ancestry. At other times it was McCarthyism.

      Should we really go down that path?

    3. Re:Nonsense. by umghhh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Google has spoken and answer to your question is yes. We are going down this path. As before there were voices for reason and moderation and they were either ignored or people daring have contrary opinions were charged with the same thought crime as the others. In fact communist societies of the not so distant past offer quite nice historical accord as to how that works. There is usually no need for ministry of love at least not as much as Orwell showed in his book. The people do it all by themselves after initial push. There are then gatherings of apartment block committees during which the 'guilty' are found and shamed. At some point it is easier to stand up and point finger to oneself as the punishment may be less harsh if one denounce oneself. The minor abuse of the process for own purposes by some individuals was accepted by authorities of course. This in fact was also the process from which the word terror actually comes from - French Revolution. Denounce and behead - the most efficient policy ever. It has a chance to cover all evil people by removing the term 'false positive' from circulation. Nb the major parties in Germany (general elections in 6 weeks there) all agreed that they will not discuss any contentious subjects not to give 'haters' ammunition. So it works in some places already at the state level.
      I have this sick feeling in my guts because of this. Not because I hate people so much (I have a list of individuals and ideologies of course as apparently everybody else). but because that is exactly what I was running away from when I chose to leave my communist society behind. The good thing is the shops are full of goods today. So there are differences. The political taboos have been reintroduced tho. I only hope that this goes away as any mass hysteria eventually does. The problem is - they tend to last shorter only if they are very brutal. Let us see however.
      A side thought - if somebody needed to have an argument against google's almost monopoly then this one is best so far.

    4. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not going away.
      I am considering going back to the third world shit hole with a corrupt president who has bankrupted the country because of this that is going on in the west right now.
      Free speech is being limited everywhere. People who utter slightly different opinion are fired. Communists are praised for fighting nazis, reporters, and bystanders.
      The ministry of truth is removing all references to uncomfortable past.
      It's a fucking shit show, and it's only getting worse.

    5. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Once upon a time that meant a registry of people with Jewish ancestry. At other times it was McCarthyism.

      Tracking actual crimes is the same as tracking people by ancestry? Law enforcement has always tracked crimes. They used to do it on paper, then on computers, this is just yet another tool for them to use.

    6. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Communists, Nazis, McCarthyites, and so forth all were the government, so keeping lists and investigating people for wrongthink was scary and oppressive. Google is a private company that specializes in surveillance of their users and propaganda (or what in private business is called "advertising"), so it's not scary, because it's a for-profit company doing this not-for-profit instead of the government. It's not like Alphabet or Google has ever received venture funding from In-Q-Tel, the VC arm of the CIA, or ever enjoyed a close relationship with the NSA. Relax, citizen: repressing dissent, when privatized, is an act of charity and love. You should embrace Google. Or else you might have to end up on a list somewhere in their offices.

    7. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is exactly what I was running away from when I chose to leave my communist society behind.

      I know several people from the former Soviet Union, and they don't seem to notice the increasingly authoritarian behavior of the American liberals. In fact, I know one person who appears to embrace the new authoritarianism. In your estimate, what percentage of former Soviet citizens share your opinion about what is happening in America?

    8. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that is exactly what I was running away from when I chose to leave my communist society behind.

      I know several people from the former Soviet Union, and they don't seem to notice the increasingly authoritarian behavior of the American liberals. In fact, I know one person who appears to embrace the new authoritarianism.

      You mean Putin?

    9. Re:Nonsense. by umghhh · · Score: 2

      no data on that so no estimate possible. I see what I see. It is not absolute, even communists back then could not control all and everything and I do not believe there is any such authority right now not in US. Germany and Sweden (and others) is a different story. It is in any case not limited to US or any other country. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_shaming#Justine_Sacco_incident or surrounding chapters. This was not there before. It is now and is increasing. In politics and media it is this simpleton view Trump==100% badl so people throwing sh. at him are all good that annoys the hell out of me. I dislike feeling that I have to argue for people like this only because the information content is so biased. But that is my view. Be aware of another amplifier that humans being social animals have. The process of finding nazis by web activists after c'ville is a fact. It did not go too far I hope but it did exist so there is action going this direction.

    10. Re: Nonsense. by umghhh · · Score: 1

      Yes even the commies outsourced their search for enemies within to private parties. It is more efficient this way.

    11. Re:Nonsense. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      In the interest of putting an end to scenarios like the first two, yes!

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    12. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all ok because it's not the government. It's a world-wide corporation that's larger than the government and has significant influence over many governments! See how much better that is?

      Neither do I.

    13. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. This is not a criminal database. This database is not to only track crimes. This database is not in any way connected to law enforcement.

      2. Read the quote again. "we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements". That once meant Jewish people or communists or intellectuals.

      this is just yet another tool for them to use.

      Who is "them"? Not police. What is the database to be used for? Who will ensure that this does not become a tool of oppression. It already acts like one, looks like one, and behaves like one. There is no difference.

    14. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right wingers said if I voted for Hilary then the USA would go down the tubes. They were right. For once.

    15. Re:Nonsense. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0, Troll

      Google has spoken and answer to your question is yes. We are going down this path. As before there were voices for reason and moderation and they were either ignored or people daring have contrary opinions were charged with the same thought crime as the others. I

      Wow, I had no idea that a directory of actual criminals was the equivalent of the holocaust. We need to eliminate the Sex offender registry, and all criminal records because, well, you know where the hate crime database would come from, and since this is a terribly slippery slope, we have to eliminate the source of this totalitarianist power grab.

      Oh, I forgot to add the base of all this is the High School permanent record. I've been haunted by my putting a Turkey foot in Linda Smith's desk in 5th grade my entire life. Is there no end to this punishment?

      More to the serious level, this is something that you or I could prepare. I find it impossible to believe that such a database does not already exist, and could easily be prepared from criminal records. This is Slashdot trolling for outrage clicks. Looks like it is working, getting clicks for outrage, and clicks for me knowing there will be plenty of people to ridicule.

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    16. Re:Nonsense. by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      I'm all for freedom of speech but as a society committed to freedom and openness we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements*

      * "Least desirable elements" to only include conservatives, Trump voters, white males, old-school liberals, and anyone else who disagrees with the SJW agenda.

      FTFY

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    17. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has spoken and answer to your question is yes. We are going down this path. As before there were voices for reason and moderation and they were either ignored or people daring have contrary opinions were charged with the same thought crime as the others. I

      Wow, I had no idea that a directory of actual criminals was the equivalent of the holocaust.

      Uh, what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dWjKkF0Zi4

    18. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time that meant a registry of people with Jewish ancestry. At other times it was McCarthyism.

      Should we really go down that path?

      In the interest of putting an end to scenarios like the first two, yes!

      In order to avoid bad outcome [x], we must create tools to empower bad outcome [x].

      War is peace.

      Freedom is slavery.

      Oppression is openness.

    19. Re:Nonsense. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      A disingenuous oversimplification. In order to prevent use of [x] by [y], we much collectively agree to allow [z] to use [x] in a controlled manner.

      Here are some examples:

      x=violence, y=criminals, z=police
      x=watchlists, y=ethno-nationalists/fascists, z=government

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    20. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, I had no idea that a directory of actual criminals was the equivalent of the holocaust. We need to eliminate the Sex offender registry, and all criminal records because, well, you know where the hate crime database would come from, and since this is a terribly slippery slope, we have to eliminate the source of this totalitarianist power grab.

      You say this, but the political opinion of the left in our country is that certain crimes can only be committed by certain people, with a sizeable portion saying that all of these certain people are inherently born with the original sin of racism due to their skin color.

    21. Re:Nonsense. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Trolling? What the hell are you talking about? I'm all for freedom of speech but as a society committed to freedom and openness we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements.

      Some people seem to have an issue with people collecting their opinions. It's the internet folks, its a criminal records and other easily collectable data sources.

      I remember when the get tough on crime crowd used to be all for this stuff. It was really easy to support a registry of sex offenders,- if you oppose this, you must be a child molester. It was real easy to agitate for taking sentencing decisions out of the hands of judges - damn activist judges! It was really easy to support a similar setup against Mooslims - damn liberals, sometimes we have to bend the rules a little!

      So now you have information that you or I can gather and create a database of "hate crime", or even Jello wrestling crime, and those who support it. Its there, its free for the taking. It is the internet and criminal records. It is also an excellent example of the law of unintended consequences.

      If you don't want your group tracked, don't leave tracks to track.

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    22. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then we can get onto the serious business of restarting everything from Year 0

    23. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem, MA, Puritans, nor the WWII Nazis needed any computerised database. Having one will, of course, make things a great deal easier.

      On a sidenote more amusing than Godwin's Law, I've been told I'm a racist for telling a feminist I think females should be allowed to decide for themselves whom to have sex with. With databases like this around, also more frightening.

    24. Re:Nonsense. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Wow, I had no idea that a directory of actual criminals was the equivalent of the holocaust. We need to eliminate the Sex offender registry, and all criminal records because, well, you know where the hate crime database would come from, and since this is a terribly slippery slope, we have to eliminate the source of this totalitarianist power grab.

      You say this, but the political opinion of the left in our country is that certain crimes can only be committed by certain people, with a sizeable portion saying that all of these certain people are inherently born with the original sin of racism due to their skin color.

      How strange. You do know that these databased have existed in one form or another for a long, long time, don't you? You need to read about J.E. Hoover and the FBI, and his record keeping. When criminals like John Lennon, the famous right wing musician was under surveillance. Ummm right. And this was back in the good old days when you think that America was just like you.

      No, you just hate this because it has been turned toward those of your ilk. Everything on the internet is collectable with surprisingly little effort. And criminal databases have been around since databases existed. You are going to have to deal with it

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    25. Re:Nonsense. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      * "Least desirable elements" to only include conservatives, Trump voters, white males, old-school liberals, and anyone else who disagrees with the SJW agenda.

      What does "old-school liberal" mean to you?

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    26. Re:Nonsense. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The FBI has been tracking white supremacist groups for decades. What are you blathering on about? Being a Nazi is not the same as being a Jew.

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    27. Re: Nonsense. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2
    28. Re: Nonsense. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I am socially inadequate. Believe me.

    29. Re: Nonsense. by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      broken link in above. Believe me.

    30. Re: Nonsense. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      That would be Bush II who almost bankrupted the company, idiot.

      Are you such a partisan that you have to post obvious falsehoods?

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    31. Re: Nonsense. by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      *country.

      I meant country, not company.

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    32. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better idea. Lets tattoo numbers on their arms. That way we can catalog them easier!

    33. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone who cares about civil liberties they themselves don't personally need or use, because they understand the value of other people having freedom of choice, even if they themselves don't.

      Basically, neither the dems nor the pubs.

    34. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The FBI has Constitutional authority and limitations. They aren't trying to redefine "hate group" as "anyone I disagree with."

      Google doesn't have the authority or the limitations, and their definition of "hate" is fucking insane.

    35. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traditional liberals are free-thinking, love their neighbor, accept that everyone is different, and won't throw a bottle of piss on you and punch you for talking.

      You are not that, so I understand why you need to ask. You're a small man, a Fascist, and intolerant. You've just convinced yourself that it's acceptable to dehumanize others to justify violence. (You know... A Nazi.)

    36. Re: Nonsense. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You've just convinced yourself that it's acceptable to dehumanize others to justify violence. (You know... A Nazi.)

      It's funny you mention Nazis, because they are going around openly calling for genocide. Last time they did that, they then went forth and tried to kill all the Jews. Maybe we should pay attention when they do it, in case they go try to kill all the Jews again, or maybe just expand their pogroms to cover anyone who isn't white and right enough. If they don't want to risk violence, those poor babies, then perhaps they should cease calling for extermination of entire species. I don't buy that bullshit about most of those people not being Nazis, either. If you're marching with your slavery flag, and someone comes up next to you with their kill all the Jews flag and you don't refuse to march with them, you're really not there just to commemorate slavery. You're really lending your support to killing all the Jews.

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    37. Re:Nonsense. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Someone who cares about civil liberties they themselves don't personally need or use, because they understand the value of other people having freedom of choice, even if they themselves don't.

      I'm pretty sure that a liberal is someone who favors civil liberties for all, but also regulating business to prevent it from committing abuses. I mean, if we're trying to use the classical definition. I was hoping for something more pithy, because "old school" is usually attached to some kind of negative behavior, but this works fine, too.

      Basically, neither the dems nor the pubs.

      There, we are in agreement. The dems are centrists. They have left off speaking for the people, in the main part, if ever they did.

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    38. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [x] didn't exist until google started making it!

      Is it true that "we must collectively agree to allow" the police [z] to make child porn [x] in a controlled manner to prevent kiddy diddlers [y] from using it [x]?

      This database is evil. The creation of the database is evil. You are evil for justifying becoming Nazis to stop Nazis.

      The alt-right is gonna love this. They are gonna love it even more when they or someone like them come into power.

    39. Re: Nonsense. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Sorry, mate. You say racist things in public, then you take the chance that someone is going to capture those utterances.

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    40. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea and I've been told by a racist that I was denying his freedom of speech because I didnt care to listen to him being an asshole talking in my face about how superior he was to Blacks, Jews and Mexicans. So what?

    41. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being against cousin marriage is racist. It isn't practiced evenly by ethnicities, the effects add up over successive generations. But that's fine, right? You aren't a racist, are you?

    42. Re: Nonsense. by BlueStrat · · Score: 0

      Sorry, mate. You say racist things in public, then you take the chance that someone is going to capture those utterances.

      That's racist! Reported!

      See?

      The problem is who exactly gets to sit in judgement? What, precisely, makes something said in public racist?

      Maybe what *you* say today may not make the 'list' but what about tomorrow? It could change and suddenly *you* are on the list.

      Oh, there's no precise definition outside the moving definitions we see parading by every day you need to move the goalposts to include someone you dislike or exclude some people you like from being on the list?

      "First they came for the Nazi-LARPing idiots, but I was not a LARPer..."

      I see that the SPLC is involved, and if anyone has ever bothered to look at who the SPLC lists as 'terrorists' you'll understand this is nothing but a Heretics List.

      May you receive the history-replay you deserve.

      Strat

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    43. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, you Americans are positively overflowing with jealousy.

      Face it, American is a shithole filled with lying, broke-ass, uncultured people, many of whom are criminals. I'm glad I live in a vastly superior country where people are happy, honest, rich (spiritually and financially) and get along.

    44. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and I've been called a racist because I don't give a shit what SJWs and BLMers have to say. The latter are especially hilarious considering I'm not an American and I don't live in USA, yet they think their problems are somehow global and should affect me. Hint: our government, police and entire history are completely different than yours, Americans.

      You have a right to say anything you want. That doesn't mean I have to listen to it and it certainly doesn't make me a racist, a sexist, a bigot or even a bad person. I have enough things in my life to worry about and the number of people I am willing to care about is already full up. Deal with it.

    45. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point, what's the difference?

    46. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh you mean like White nationalists going around crying all the time because people are tired of seeing them get special treatment for doing nothing but being born a skin color? It is so hilarious to see these idiots try to argue how superior they are when all their arguments are full of the hypocrisy of a 10 year old. It is hilarious to see them argue of the superiority of the anglo race when a multiracial multiethnic group of Americans along with the commies kicked their Nazi asses out of Europe. Hilarious little guys.

    47. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, Google will also be collecting the names of the people who *reported* "the haterz" - because they are historically the second group of people revolutionary juntas put up against the wall post revolution.

      Activists are useful right up until the takeover succeeds, afterwards they are a liability.

    48. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These things will be used to filter out undesirable candidates for employment at Google, where s bunch of safe space needing people work.

    49. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ask IBM sometime if the Nazis needed a computerized database for the Holocaust.

      Maybe the Nazis should ask for their money back for IBM to have provided something they didn't need?

    50. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mean how else can you round them up and properly shame them?

      With sheepdogs, of course.

    51. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? Telling someone about female freedom has nothing to do with race and is therefore not racist.

    52. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP's not trolling. Who decides who's the "least desirable elements" as you say? Here's an example. Evergreen College. Bret Weinstein a professor, and "progressive" was demonized for not participating (ie staying off campus) in the no-whites 'Day of Absence'. In light of Weinstein's position against racism, and his progressive views on inclusion, he's still called racist and vilified by the left.

      I fall center-right, mildly on the libertarian spectrum. If somebody on the progressive left is making lists, I'd likely be viewed as a threat to some for wrong think monitoring. I'd rather leave it to the courts, police and their statistical data than Google, their cronies and their AI wrong think predictors.

    53. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOLS

    54. Re:Nonsense. by Reziac · · Score: 1

      How can you keep an eye on them if they've been silenced and driven underground??

      Me, I would face that all-seeing eye the other way.

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    55. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They shall have a Ministry of Silly Walks.

    56. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citing of Godwins Law here is incorrect:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    57. Re:Nonsense. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Trolling? What the hell are you talking about? I'm all for freedom of speech but as a society committed to freedom and openness we do need to keep an eye on our least desirable elements.

      Once upon a time that meant a registry of people with Jewish ancestry. At other times it was McCarthyism.

      Should we really go down that path?

      So because at two times (or more) Fascists were using lists of people to suppress, we shouldn't keep track of all the Fascists. Yeah, makes sense.

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      Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
    58. Re:Nonsense. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      PS: While we should let the Fascists keep the lists they keep of their "enemies" - which we fucking know they do. Because they have the right to keep those lists, somehow.

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    59. Re: Nonsense. by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      get special treatment for doing nothing but being born a skin color?

      You mean like affirmative action?

      But forget about trying to Google about much more than that. It's results have been scrubbed of anything 'negative' about 'minorities' and just for entering the search terms 'how do minorities benefit from government programs' has most assuredly just added me to the database mentioned in this article.

      There's a few crisis-generating problems the article helps bring to light.

      1. We pretty much use one global search engine that has the power, the willingness, and has actively demonstrated censure to the point of firing employees that don't tow the party line.

      2. This same search entity has the ability and has announced the intention of creating a database of individuals that don't tow the party line.

      3. This censure includes the results of data mining and has a tremendous affect on the decisions of people that use the Internet as their main source of Information.

      Surely this technology won't be abused. Not by Google or Alphabet! (/sarcasm)

      As a side note, every 'supremacist group' whatever their color is made of sad lonely individuals that feel they have no power of their lives and that their problems are caused by someone else. Looking at both the KKK and the Black Panthers as well as many others. Just turds wanting attention and getting it.

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    60. Re: Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes yes, one socialist movement kicked the other socialist movement.
      But the winning socialist want to say that the loosing socialist are not really socialists ...

    61. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both belief systems. Both believe they are God's chosen people.

      Not so different really.

    62. Re: Nonsense. by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The FBI has Constitutional authority and limitations. They aren't trying to redefine "hate group" as "anyone I disagree with."

      Google doesn't have the authority or the limitations, and their definition of "hate" is fucking insane.

      But the "hate groups" have the authority to keep lists of their enemies? The ultra right (not just in America) has been doxing the people they don't like for decades before the term was coined. And they have used the information to organize physical attacks against them.

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    63. Re:Nonsense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Hitler being a Jew;

    64. Re:Nonsense. by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Gee whiz, I guess the only difference is that Google is a private organization, not the Government. When Google can arrest people for being in one of their databases, I'll worry. Until then, I'll they ACs like you to please go shut the fuck up.

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    65. Re: Nonsense. by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Freudian slip, methinks.

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  4. Love Crimes, anyone? by FrankHaynes · · Score: 0

    I'm waiting for the listing of love crimes, as opposed to hate crimes. I mean, aren't all crimes motivated by hatred?

    Or is it considered an act of love to kill someone to put him out of his misery?

    How about "I loved that rich girl so much that I decided to take all her money to help her experience the joys of a simple life."

    Tough love. Gotta love it!

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    1. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are quite a few onions sites with love crimes. Child love. Gotta love it!

    2. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But would they now rate hating crime as a hate crime? Oh my, we do have a PC world gone bonkers...

    3. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting for the listing of love crimes, as opposed to hate crimes. I mean, aren't all crimes motivated by hatred?

      Uh, no? I mean, that's just a stupid statement. A lot of crimes are victim-less. A lot of crimes cause harm but are not done with malice. More to the point, "hate crime" is a compound word. Just like "real estate". You don't like the meaning? Well, I think "real estate" is pretty ridiculous too.

      Or is it considered an act of love to kill someone to put him out of his misery?

      Funny you say that considering assisted suicide being such a contentious issue and certainly to want to help someone end their suffering could be seen as an act of love.

      How about "I loved that rich girl so much that I decided to take all her money to help her experience the joys of a simple life."

      Nice little bit of left field there. Especially given Jesus' stance on rich people and heaven.

      Tough love. Gotta love it!

      Well, associating with prostitutes is a crime in most peoples eyes, regardless of what the law says. Real tough love is being honest and understanding. Everything about hate crime is personal, vindictive tyranny over others for one's own satisfaction. There's no part of "I'm going to murder a black man" that has anything to do with convincing blacks to change the color of their skin to a "good" color--let alone the nonsense of a "good" color.

      But feel free to keep spinning those wheels.

    4. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      "hate crime" has a specific messing: crime motivated by hatred a protected class.

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    5. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I mean, aren't all crimes motivated by hatred?

      Nope, a lot of crimes are motivated by material gain. Sociopaths don't hate their victims, they just don't regard costs (emotional, physical, or material) to their victims as important.

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    6. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sociopaths don't hate their victims

      Outright contempt and malevolence are indistinguishable from hatred. Narcissistic cluster B's hate their true selves, a fake persona dominates and they use this to psychologically project their self-loathing onto others.

    7. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're just playing word games. The "hate" in hate crimes has a specific meaning, and yet you're intentionally using the general connotation to play your strawman game.

    8. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      "Protected class" does NOT have a "specific meaning" as you claim.

      The definition includes "race", "gender", and so on, not "black", "woman", and so on.

      What you think it means is clearly the later, but you have clearly shown time and again that you arent very good as a thinker, let alone as a good fact checker (such as just now)

      White men are a protected class in at least 2 ways that make a class protected, which are race and gender. Not sounding like a "specific meaning" any more, does it? Yeah.. because you are full of shit.

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    9. Re: Love Crimes, anyone? by guruevi · · Score: 0

      Remove protected class you SJW hippie. Once they start tracking true hate crimes, I'm sure the project will be cancelled because the the data does not fit your preconceived notions.

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    10. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I didn't even say that "protected class" has a specific meaning.

      The rest is just baseless assumption.

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    11. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by swb · · Score: 2

      So what happens when a crime is motivated by a hatred of an unprotected class? Not a hate crime, just an ordinary crime?

      I'm willing in principal to buy into the idea of a hate crime as a crime motivated by bias against some kind of identifiable group, but I have to balk at the "protected class" distinction because it seems to rather arbitrarily consider crimes motivated against "unprotected" classes as less serious.

      I also question how you determine this bias motivation. Is it strictly limited to the circumstances of the crime committed, or does it involve the perpetrators speech or beliefs outside of the crime's commission? I think both methods are flawed.

      As a thought exercise, imagine a person with a public affiliation with some hate group. They get into a fender bender in a parking lot with a member of someone that falls under the umbrella of a disliked group, a fight ensues and they beat that person up. At no time do they mention this person's group status in any way. Under a strict circumstance interpretation, it's not a hate crime because the crime itself isn't liked to an act of bias. But it could easily be the hate group's modus operandi -- fight the disliked group, but keep your mouth shut.

      Now imagine a person with a private set of biases. They only express them in one-one interactions with close friends, they don't belong to any hate group. They get involved in a fight with a member of the group they dislike without showing a bias. and after some investigation (seized cell phone, etc) their private biases become known. Is this a hate crime? I'd worry here that any crime involving a so-called protected class would wind up as a fishing expedition to try to discover hidden biases.

    12. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Non-specific definitions are not allowed within specific meanings.

      When a "specific meaning" has a non-specific definition, it is merely a hand waving assertion that a specific meaning exists.

      You can wave your hands all day long about this, but you will still be dead wrong. This "dont look at the flaws of my argument" mentality that you have is very stupid and dumb. its kind of sad, really.

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    13. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Protected class" does NOT have a "specific meaning" as you claim.

      Yes it does!

      The definition includes "race", "gender", and so on, not "black", "woman", and so on.

      There you go, that's the specific meaning.

      If you murder someone because of his or her race or gender it's a hate crime. If you murder someone to steal their wallet it is not.

      Not very hard to understand.

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    14. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So what happens when a crime is motivated by a hatred of an unprotected class? Not a hate crime, just an ordinary crime?

      Yes.

      "Hate crime" is just the name of a type of crime that society has judged to be slightly more bad because of the motivation behind it. Like premeditated murder is worse than killing someone in a fit of rage with no prior intent to do so, in the eyes of the law.

      Don't try to read anything into the name.

      I have to balk at the "protected class" distinction because it seems to rather arbitrarily consider crimes motivated against "unprotected" classes as less serious.

      The reason for it is that certain attributes, things like gender and race, are things people have no choice over. Political views are a choice, which football team you support is a choice, being born with a particular colour skin is not. Society considers choices to be fair targets of criticism and even hatred (although of course within the bounds of the law), but bias against things which people have no choice over to be morally repugnant.

      I also question how you determine this bias motivation. Is it strictly limited to the circumstances of the crime committed, or does it involve the perpetrators speech or beliefs outside of the crime's commission?

      It can indeed be difficult. Well written laws tend to err on the side of caution, requiring the usual standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" to be met when determining if something is a hate crime.

      They get involved in a fight with a member of the group they dislike without showing a bias. and after some investigation (seized cell phone, etc) their private biases become known. Is this a hate crime?

      If it is a hate crime or not depends on their motivation, which only they can know for sure unless they happened to communicate to someone that they felt violence towards this group was acceptable and there were no other plausible explanations for why they got into this fight. It would likely be quite hard to prove.

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    15. Re:Love Crimes, anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler always professed to act based on his love for the German people. That was the source of all of his actions.

  5. I hate it already. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I hate it already.

    Soon enough you will not be allowed to say anything slightly out of line without some algorithm flagging you as a "bad guy".

    Luckily I'm old enough that I won't be around to see how this pans out.

    1. Re:I hate it already. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      i can see a near future where background check companies consult this database, and as applicants have no idea why they were rejected, false positives will persist and a small group of people paying the price until they die.

  6. Whats next? by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blasphemy? Cartoons and animations about faith need to be tracked too?
    Ag-gag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ?
    Governments who don't like dissidents?
    Authors?
    Negative movie reviews?
    Books?
    Statues?
    History?
    Tiananmen square?
    Whistleblowers?
    Whats next for tracking and sorting for contextual information?

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    1. Re:Whats next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sex offenders? Oh, right, we already have that. That's okay, though, because preying on children (even though that's not what "sex offender" means) is really evil. Unlike, you know, trying to terrorize blacks, jews, whites, etc with lynchings/arson/et al crimes.

      Put another way, why do you think there's an issue with tracking criminals? Why do you feel the need to include a bunch of examples of non-crimes? Unless your issue is that trying to further ostracize criminals results in further alienation and recidivism, then you might consider how we already have tons of laws in place that disenfranchise felons in general and companies are reluctant, to put it mildly, to hire ex-felons based upon unfounded fear. That seems a much worse offense to be upset about than to better publicize hate crimes.

      PS - I don't think it's a good idea to build up such a database, honestly, mostly because it'll end up being abused statistically and otherwise reinforce preexisting agendas. The notion, though, that you want to conflate publicizing a person who makes up a "Jesus for Drugs" sign with publicizing a neo-nazi who murders someone seems rather telling to me. It sounds more like you're worried white supremacists might be outed much more than you're worried about societal abuse of criminals.

    2. Re:Whats next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gamergate is Hate.

    3. Re:Whats next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's next is anything else they think they can sell, be it to voter-hostile governments, marketing drones, or just about anyone else with money to spend.

    4. Re:Whats next? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      > Cartoons and animations about faith need to be tracked too?

      Cartoons are already properly dealt with in the only right way.

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    5. Re:Whats next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sex offenders? Oh, right, we already have that. That's okay, though, because preying on children (even though that's not what "sex offender" means) is really evil. Unlike, you know, trying to terrorize blacks, jews, whites, etc with lynchings/arson/et al crimes.

      Put another way, why do you think there's an issue with tracking criminals? Why do you feel the need to include a bunch of examples of non-crimes? Unless your issue is that trying to further ostracize criminals results in further alienation and recidivism, then you might consider how we already have tons of laws in place that disenfranchise felons in general and companies are reluctant, to put it mildly, to hire ex-felons based upon unfounded fear. That seems a much worse offense to be upset about than to better publicize hate crimes.

      PS - I don't think it's a good idea to build up such a database, honestly, mostly because it'll end up being abused statistically and otherwise reinforce preexisting agendas. The notion, though, that you want to conflate publicizing a person who makes up a "Jesus for Drugs" sign with publicizing a neo-nazi who murders someone seems rather telling to me. It sounds more like you're worried white supremacists might be outed much more than you're worried about societal abuse of criminals.

      Oh yes, a sex offender database maintained by the police is exactly the same as a private-entity-maintained database, with no oversight at all, tracking "crimes" most of which are not even legally defined as a crime, which were never investigated or went to a trial before jury of peers. Totally the same thing.

    6. Re:Whats next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what you're saying is you'd be okay if it was the police (or other government entity) doing it? Or merely that the private-entity-maintained database had better applied criteria well sourced to criminal databases? If the database is as bad as you state it is, then any appeal to authority on that database should fail. Then again, we have the "No Fly List" and "Sex Offender"/"Ex-Felon" databases are often used more as hammers with no nuance that clearly we'll still succumb to the abuse of authoritarian databases.

      More generally, even if Google never actual outright makes a "National Hate Crime Database", so long as they continue to index basically all sorts of information on criminal records and improve their machine learning while having it increasingly available to the public to use, anyone can make their own "National Hate Crime Database" with a well crafted search. Ie, we're actually moving to the point of being in the same position as authorities on being able to compile our own "<we don't like this crime> Database" regardless of any specific action by Google or others. So, it'd seem the major issue is more that we as a society are so inclined to stigmatize people for past bad acts, regardless of whether they were found guilty by a court or punished by the courts, without considering that their current or future behavior should be related to on its own.

      tl;dr - The problem isn't who is making the list but that people will or must act on them. That's the real problem.

  7. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We already HAVE crime statistics reported by the police and the FBI as they document crime.

    This is just a VOLUNTARY database (which I'm sure won't be abused) to build up a list of crimes, many of which aren't even legally defined as a crime and charges that were never investigated or go to trial but people's names will be tracked in the database anyway.

    We've moving to the next stage of thought crimes where you will be ostracized and penalized because you said she instead of xhe (which is now a punishable crime in California) or because you state anything that's not in step with the gestapo of politically correct thought.

    This is not a good thing, these are not enlightened times. We have abandoned objective truth and free speech for a political, nearly religious ideology.

    Dark times for the world.

    1. Re:What's the point? by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Re "We've moving to the next stage of thought crimes"
      Start moving the Overton window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Precrime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Then thoughtcrime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

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    2. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course, when some of these hate crimes are proven to be hoaxes, I'm just positive google will remove them and treat the hoax attempt as a hate-crime, right? right?...

    3. Re: What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After the damage has been done. Like that'll work. "Oh, we destroyed your life. Now bugger off and die."

    4. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Discussion on thought crime aside, using the incorrect pronoun is not a 'punishable crime' in California. Stop watching Fox News as your primary source, because you just sound moronic. I can't believe this was modded insightful.

    5. Re:What's the point? by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Oh you poor Nazi. You are facing social opprobrium for wanting to kill undesirables. How will you ever survive?

      On second thoughts, we might as well use the 1946 solution and hang you.

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  8. National thought crime? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Protect me from the violence of words

  9. What about Muslim hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it count Muslims killing non-Muslims as crimes of religious hate? There's been a lot of those lately. And by "lately" I mean "since Islam was a thing".

    1. Re:What about Muslim hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Muslims (not those hateful, bigoted-against-LBGTQ Christians) are a Protected Class because of all the hate against them for simply practicing their religion as set out in the Koran. Islam is the Religion of Peace, weren't you told this already?

      Protected Classes of people cannot commit hate-crime.

  10. What defines a "hate crime"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What defines a "hate crime"?

    A person of ethnicity/religion/gender A robbing a person of different ethnicity/religion/gender B, do groups A and B have to be specific combinations to be considered hate or is it defined in some other way?

    Just asking, because the groups talking about hate crimes tend to consider only very limited definitions that support their own preconceived notions and political agenda.

    1. Re:What defines a "hate crime"? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Anyone who can fund a good legal team to define what a crime is.
      Hate reading a negative review of a movie expected to make money? A negative movie review could be a crime.
      Blasphemy? Thats a real crime in a few nations. To protect trade and investment comments on faith is a crime.
      Fraternities and the security services hate seeing their once hidden documents been made public. Publication is a crime.
      Hate reading about history and facts? Talking about history becomes liable.
      Hate been censored? A nation finds comments or publication about censorship criminal.

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    2. Re:What defines a "hate crime"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out ability. You are an ableist and practice ableism. You are also a hater. I think the fact that the spell checker does not even acknowledge ableism as a real word is quite telling how far we have left to go.

  11. Kanye West by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If thats not a hate crime, nothing is...

  12. Will Trump be in it? by wisebabo · · Score: 0

    Come on, it's a joke, Right?

  13. Re:The sources predict the outcome by x0ra · · Score: 0

    hate against hate is not hate, is it ?

  14. Re:The sources predict the outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course they won't. As won't any extreme-en BLM activists chanting racist mantras and calling out for crime against white people.

  15. Dangerous idea by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a dangerous idea. Some group, not answerable to anyone, gets to put people into a database of "wrongthink". TFS and TFA talk about "hate crimes" - one would like that to imply that they would only collect law enforcement data, ideally restricted to actual convictions. That might be ok, but that's not what they're doing.

    In fact, the "hate crime" collection apparently involves becoming a central repository for any sort of article, blog post, or whatever that talks about supposed incidents of "hate". That would be bad enough, since the criteria are entirely subjective.

    But it's worse than that. If you go to the actual project page, they want to document hate crimes and "bias incidents". For the latter, they are happy to accept individual stories. Who gets to define what constitutes a "bias" incident?

    At best, this is just another SJW right-think project, giving the long list of corporate sponsors a wonderful opportunity to virtue signal. At worst, if individual people are named in the individual stories they intend to collect, it will become a form of arbitrary, non-judicial punishment with no recourse to the people named.

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    1. Re:Dangerous idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just look at the media participants (Buzzfeed, Huff Post, Guardian, Vox) and NGOs (ADL, SPLC). It's the usual suspects (that also run the current purge on Youtube) with their usual agenda.

    2. Re:Dangerous idea by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Where do you draw the line? Wikipedia has a list of people associated with the alt-right, for example, with articles documenting the stuff they have said and done.

      swjlist.com has a list of alleged SJWs. Is that okay? Do you still think it's SJWs compiling lists of themselves?

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    3. Re:Dangerous idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you meant to say this idea is very profitable to equity, yes?

    4. Re:Dangerous idea by w3woody · · Score: 1

      What would be funny to me is if they accept all stories based on "being struck or physically assaulted based on my own personal beliefs."

      I guarantee the database would then be overran with a million stories of folks on the right being attacked by Union members or Antifa marchers attacking reporters. Worse, we may even incentivize idiots like the person who went to the Durham NC left-wing protests organized by the communist Workers World Party with a pro-Trump message, just so they can become a right-wing martyr. Source

      (I don't care what your politics are. If you walk into an organized protest as a counter-protester, you're not there to make friends.)

      At that point the database would become useless, because it would be filled not with spontaneous acts of criminal "hate" committed on innocent bystanders, but filled with provocateurs seeking a fight so they can add their name to the database.

      Being a provocateur seeking to pick a fight to become a martyr is not unheard of in U.S. history. Rosa Parks, famous for refusing to give up her seat to move to the back of the bus in Montgomery, was not some innocent bystander who stumbled onto a bus, was a little tired and decided not to move. She was a civil rights activist and was picked specifically by the NAACP in order to provoke a confrontation, in order to have standing in court so as to attack the racial bias laws in Alabama.

      This is how this sort of thing is done.

    5. Re:Dangerous idea by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      current purge on Youtube

      wtf is up with that? I watch about the most bland/nerdy/geeky/instructional videos on youtube and some of them have been removed????

      Stuff like - soldier a jumper across these two pins shorting out diode protection and increasing performance saving 15w if you really know what you are doing stuff. Warning, you will fry your last 3 weeks of work if you plug it in backward after this.

  16. See other article; Google watches & listens to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Conveniently using their new (and old) Android releases to use the microphone/camera to listen for hateful sounds and record the video. It's all part of your user agreement. Apple doesn't need the functions added since they've been baked in since the beginning. You will align your thoughts to your corporate masters, and when they say Upgrade! you will pay.

  17. Good. They should screw over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All idiots that believe in small government, big rights.

    1. Re: Good. They should screw over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any moron that believes in rights is a racist. They need to be executed and die.

    2. Re: Good. They should screw over... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rights is a dog whistle for the next Holocaust.

  18. Re:The sources predict the outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of asinine kool-aid thinking are you going along with?

    Hate against hate is STILL HATE.

    Hating people who hate means you hate YOURSELF.

  19. Re:The sources predict the outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curious: are you pro-death penalty, or is murdering murderers still murder?

  20. The project description by djinn6 · · Score: 1
    From the project page:

    Hate crimes and bias incidents are a national problem, but there’s no reliable data on the nature or prevalence of the violence. We’re collecting and verifying reports to create a national database for use by journalists, researchers and civil-rights organizations.

    The 2016 election left many in America afraid – of intolerance and the violence it can inspire. The need for trustworthy facts on the details and frequency of hate crimes and other incidents born of prejudice has never been more urgent.

    At this point, there is simply no reliable national data on hate crimes. And no government agency documents lower-level incidents of harassment and intimidation, such as online or real-life bullying. Documenting and understanding all of these incidents – from hate-inspired murders to anti-Semitic graffiti to racist online trolling – requires new, more creative approaches.

  21. Hate crime..convictions right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just kidding. We all know at least 25% will be the fake hate crimes millenials love to fabricate.

    "He ripped off my hijab and screamed 'Trump won Muslim whore!!'"

  22. I for one... by richrz · · Score: 1

    LOVE our new overlords!

  23. Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Wizardess · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They appear to be self appointed arbiters of freedom of speech. This is what happened early on during the Wiemar Republic as Hitler's Brown Shirts stated govern the public discourse with violence and coercion.

    More recently in the US I remember the censorship of pornography. The standard was, "I'll recognize it when I see it." It took us a long time to get rid of that censorship. And now we have Google and Pro Publica starting to do the same thing themselves in the name of hate speech, which they refuse to define. "I'll recognize it when I see it." The basic problem is the designated hate speech can be and often is carefully documented taken from primary sources available to everybody. We have somebody going around collecting information, documenting it, and presenting it accurately being censored because the resulting document somehow is this undefined thing called "hate speech."

    This action of censorship is purely a symptom of their participating in what they claim they are trying to stop, Fascism in all its odious putrid excrescence.. You can see this if you read William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." This is a heavy read. It is a scary read. It reveals how "movements" such as Antifa are doing exactly what the Germans did leading up to the collapse of the Wiemar Republic and WW-II.

    Please, Google, go back to your roots, "Do no wrong."

    {^_^}

    1. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is what happened early on during the Wiemar Republic as Hitler's Brown Shirts stated govern the public discourse with violence and coercion.

      Just clarifying here, you are using nazi atrocities to justify why we should now be tolerant of nazis?

      This is a heavy read. It is a scary read. It reveals how "movements" such as Antifa are doing exactly what the Germans did leading up to the collapse of the Wiemar Republic and WW-II.

      If you are so familiar with the rise of the nazi party why are you not freaking out at what is happening right now in the US? If we say, "oh they are a small group of crazy people, just ignore them and they will go away," that is exactly what happened in Germany before the nazis managed to pit everyone against each other and wrest control of the government. What do you think we should do to prevent that from happening here? Because allowing them a platform didn't work very well last time.

    2. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are so familiar with the rise of the nazi party why are you not freaking out at what is happening right now in the US?

      Hate to break this to you but it's antifa, BAMN and BLM that have been instigating violence and attempting to deplatform people. It's the corporate media that supported this fake victim narrative and it's tax-avoiding, internationalist corporates pushing the censorship agenda. Paul Steiger the founder of propublica is a CFR member. This is exactly what actual corporatism / fascism looks like, not a bunch of larping basement dwellers waving tiki torches.

    3. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      FYI it was the KPD(german communist party) who tried first and lost. They directly funded a group called antifaschistische aktion or "antifa". Who would go around and violently assault people, engaged in riots, protests, would assault other protest groups. Those brownshirts, were the counter to the KPD's blackshirts(antifa). Perhaps you should be asking why we've seen so many cases of antifa violently assaulting, and rioting while claiming to "fight anti-fascism" but engaging in it themselves. Berkeley 3 times, seattle, chicacgo, dallas, knoxsville twice. Though the second time they became very passive when the police forced them to remove their masks. Under the same law that was used to ban KKK rallies.

      Maybe while you're at it. You can explain why the previous time when 50 kkk members showed up in CV, they were attacked by 500 antifa members. How about that group of nazi's in california 5 of them, who were attacked by 100 antifa? Both of those "nazis" were peaceful, had permits. It was antifa that assaulted and attacked.

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    4. Re: Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      As I already said in a reply to you in an earlier thread, AA was created after the SA and Brownshirts.

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    5. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      Why do you keep saying things which are not only historically inaccurate but easily disprovable? The AA was founded ten years after the SA, tell me again how the SA was a counter to it please. Also what are you talking about black shirts? The black shirts were the Italian version of the brown shirts, nothing to do with communists or antifa. Look at historical pictures, they are black and white so you can't see exactly what color they are wearing but it definitely isn't black.

    6. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just clarifying here, you are using nazi atrocities to justify why we should now be tolerant of nazis?

      I will clarify for you. Not everybody who disagrees with the violent Antifa or supports conservative issues is a Nazi.

    7. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Judge them by their fruit. He was saying that the techniques used by Nazis are bad no matter who is using them.

    8. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nazis in the US don't have any significant political power, and they won't any time soon. SJWs, however, do, and they've exploited it to implement their own brand of discrimination, suppress news of the violence of their adherents, etc.

      To see which group is a greater threat at present, consider: if I applied for a job in the US, do you think I'd face greater discrimination for being Jewish, or for being white ... or, for that matter, for being male?

    9. Re: Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      If you wanted to be honest though, you'd mention that AA was just one of many groups that came and went in that era, which most people today would have a hard time telling apart from one another if not for the different names. They all had the same goals - preventing non-Communists from organizing politically, and the same tactics - violence.

      The SA was organized to prevent those disruptions in general, regardless of the banner the disruptors flew that week - be it SPD, KPD, RFB, AA or any of the others.

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    10. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Do you study history at all? No? I guess not. If you did, then you'd know why AA's founding 10 years after it, wasn't just a counter to it. The KPD used them to stop anyone from organizing any form of opposition. The KPD held 100 deputies when they formed them, they directly paid and funded AA and gave them direction. That's all historical fact.

      In other words: A political party who couldn't win elections, formed a violent off-shoot group to go after any political opposition. Especially the SA, but anyone else to boot.

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    11. Re: Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      And yet you can't figure out the part that the other poster told you. The KPD(german commie party), created a violent organization with the purpose of stopping any organization -- any -- from doing something politically.

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    12. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your point is. As I stated before, the SA came first and they were also funded directly by the Nazi party. It was literally the same exact thing on the other side, but founded earlier and active earlier. So again, tell me how SA was countering anything and not the ones that actually started it?

    13. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to say one way or the other, all statues documenting the truth were destroyed.

    14. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Nazis, which in your Liberal definition is "Anybody who didn't vote for Queen Hillary", are already in charge of the Supreme Court, House, Senate, Presidency, and majority of State Legislatures and Governors. We've ALREADY taken over, you fool, and yet you're not all dead/rounded up in prison.

    15. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of everyone. And how many nazis are there? I have never met one, but knew someone who was a hitler youth.

    16. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it was her turn!!

    17. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 1
    18. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      I don't know what your point is.

      Obviously not. Because otherwise you'd pick up a history book and sort the wheat from the chaff. It wasn't the "exact same thing." The SA started up because there was a breakdown in law and order in the streets, police wouldn't go into some neighborhoods. They would. The entire rise and popular support of them is far more complicated then you understand. The KPD, formed their group with the explicit belief to crush and dissenting views, be it nazi, other views of communism, liberal, anything. They labeled anyone who wasn't their brand of social fascism and communism as they enemy and attacked them.

      Again. AA was founded with a specific purpose of using violence for political means. The SA existed before, but there is *more* then one reason they existed.

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    19. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      Cool story bro, except that it is entirely wrong. And you are once again defending the actual, historical Nazis so I'm not engaging with you any more. Kindly fuck off.

    20. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I thought we were supposed to be tolerant of everyone.

      You obviously do not think very much. Last time we had a Nazi infestation we bombed and hanged them.

      And how many nazis are there? I have never met one,

      How about paying attention? There was an entire march of them last week. It only made the Slashdot frontpage about, oh, every day, since?

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    21. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That's historical fact, once again you don't understand even the most basic parts of history. Perhaps you can go visit a nursing home and talk with some people who were there, before they all die of old age. Or maybe you should just retreat to your safe space, since it triggers you so much. I understand these "hate facts" can do that.

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    22. Re:Who appointed them arbiters of free speech by cryptizard · · Score: 1

      You have absolutely no proof, you can't just claim facts and make it true. Sorry.

  24. Social Hate (r) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We now have hate news, hate events, hate dresses, hate face masks, hate flags and hate symbols. The rapture comes when the first hate cake emerges from the oven. Because, everybody loves cake.

  25. Why don't you... by mapkinase · · Score: 0

    ... just gather all young straight white males into some kind of concentration camp and just gas the bastards?

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    1. Re:Why don't you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the start of the US revolution only about 3% the population supported the rebellion. That quickly exploded to about 30% when the Loyalist government began to crack down on dissent. Fast forward 200 plus years and now America is a nation of 350 million with 412 to 660 million individually owned firearms spread across about 1/3rd of the US population that owns weapons. And that's even before we have to talk about a little fellow named Timothy McVeigh and what you can do with farm supplies and will.

      So good luck with that whole 'just gather all young straight white males into some kind of concentration camp'. Personally I'd NOT remind people that there are more things to worry about that some jackass sharing memes or the super rare crazy asshole that drives through a crowd.

  26. Fired Engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if former Google engineers will be first to make the list. Perhaps they actually thought that conservatives have a place in the modern world.

  27. If its crimes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't the police have it already? (Are the mega corps turning the world fascist?)

  28. Blacklist by wilson_mura · · Score: 1

    I seem to remember other political parties that had a list of people... they were not very nice

    1. Re:Blacklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's already blacklists floating around in Tech firms of e-celebs on YouTube that don't toe the progressive line. They're just going to use this situation as an excuse to be open about it.

  29. Too Much Information...... by Slugster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A long time ago governments (of all varieties) would keep huge amounts of paper records on anyone or anything they thought was suspicious.
    And they could afford to pay people to generate LOTS of records, so there ended up being so many records on paper that they became difficult to use.
    Much of the information retained turned out to be ultimately worthless. And of what little of it would have been valuable, there was no way to search or access it efficiently, so it often turned out to be worthless as well.

    When computers came along, it was said that they would fix that problem...... And for a while the computers did... But maybe even that tide is now turning?

    What this basically amounts to is a special project to discover and sub-index results that are already in Google's database system, but that cannot be searched or accessed conveniently by the normal means.
    ?
    So what is the next stage in search engine design?
    Is it to selectively forget results that people click on the least? (not just push them down in the results, but remove them entirely?)
    Do a search engine's indexes regularly need to be pruned to improve results?

  30. Caitlyn Jenner is now associated with hate crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Caitlyn Jenner commits a hat crime, but of course another sad reality is the lib view now is that by wearing a MAGA hat means by default you have committed hate crime so now Caitlyn is associated with hate. How many others will be wrongly accused.

    Linked on this propublia site.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com...

  31. This should be illegal by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No person or corporation can unilaterally decide who is committing a crime and punish the corresponding authors (being in such a database might become an important punishment). In any civilised society, the process should consist in: reasonable evidence of a behaviour against the (ideally fair) law; (ideally fair) trial; and condemn also stating the level of publicity of the corresponding crime/punishment. Not even government-related bodies (e.g., police or public organisations) can avoid that proceeding without facing consequences. Just the fact of even considering the option of allowing private, egoist/pro-profit interests to be in such a judge-jury-executioner position is completely unacceptable. They shouldn't even have proposed such a thing and the corresponding legal bodies shouldn't allow ideas on these lines to ever become a reality.

    Clarification for anyone interested: I don't consider myself a potential victim of this kind of things. I am a hate-free person with virtually no prejudices of any kind. Sometimes, I can have a quite aggressive attitude, but always as a reaction to a previous attack and by focusing on the given personality (e.g., "you are an idiot") rather than on generic features like ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. In summary, this post isn't precisely meant to protect myself, but to contribute towards avoiding the ridiculous nonsense of granting more unfair power to doing-everything-for-their-own-growth corporations.

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    1. Re:This should be illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am a hate-free person with virtually no prejudices of any kind.

      That doesn't matter, if you dare speak the truth you will be mislabelled , slandered and attacked. Funny that Google would partner with a web site promoting the notion of "bias incidents" after slandering and firing an employee for authoring a pro-diversity memo based on science fact rather than neo-marxist dogma. "bias incidents" indeed!

    2. Re:This should be illegal by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't matter

      It certainly matters where it has to matter, at least in my country: within the legal system, the only one which can determine whether I am guilty/innocent of whatever, and associated instances (e.g., police protecting my rights against the arbitrariness of invasive nobodies, including unfairly-acting police staff).

      dare speak the truth you will be mislabelled, slandered and attacked

      I always speak the truth and am not afraid of almost anything. Those unfairly mislabelling should be the ones being afraid of the consequences of their actions (mainly when dealing with me because I take unfairness very personally :)), which will come sooner or later. Additionally and if there is any positive aspect to the nowadays systematic information storage and privacy violations, it might be that people acting fairly have even less to be afraid of: detailed information about almost any event is likely to be available in case of being required. He-said-she-said scenarios are every day less likely to avoid reaching an objective assessment of the given situation, where the innocent/guilty parties will be favoured/punished.

      after slandering and firing an employee for authoring a pro-diversity memo

      Without being interested in getting involved in a discussion about that incident or any other issue on these lines, the truth is that this person did generically label a big number of people (women performing certain work). Google is free of not liking that and firing him, although this decision might be punished if proven illegal. In any case and for what matters here, I will never be in such a situation as far as I truly don't believe that you can generically label a so heterogeneous group of people, not even under these specific probably-behaviour-homogenising conditions (i.e., performing a similar work for the same company). As said in my previous comment, I treat everyone individually and mainly care about their current behaviours (+ expect them to be responsible for all their past actions).

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    3. Re:This should be illegal by w3woody · · Score: 1

      You mean the CEOs of companies like Google and Apple and Amazon have become modern-day Robber Barons, seeking to control governments and culture without being accountable to anyone, even going so far as to suggest laws that lock in their power?

      Huh. Odd how power corrupts even the most "woke" folks. Almost like it'd be nice if we had things like checks and balances or something.

    4. Re:This should be illegal by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      The only goal of a company is to become wealthier regardless of anything else. Usually, the upper managerial staff tend to have kind of (because I guess that they have some limits, after all they are human beings; at least, this is what someone told me once. LOL) similar expectations. Individual citizens are too weak to fight these greedy and usually aggressive-to-anyone-else attitudes and this is where governments and legislations come in. Companies only do good if they are forced to do so. Governmental bodies might also act wrongly, but this isn't part of their essence; they work for the citizens (which might remove them) and the checks and balances you mention only apply to them.

      If you forget about these differences private/public, pro-citizen/pro-profit, controlled/independent, etc. and start believing that a company, any company, will voluntarily do anything for you, for the greater good; that they will protect you from whatever fear you have on exchange of nothing; that they will fairly use a big power on others; etc. In that case, I am afraid that you have a serious misconception about the world, how it works and how it is allowed to continue working. Private companies and capital can continue trying to pull some strings (certainly not mine) in the shadows, to grow at the expense of greediness, corruption and ignorance, to even force whole governments to do what they want, but this is it. No sensible legislation (not one I can respect or recognise as such) will ever allow private interests to conclusively decide what behaviours are right/wrong. Companies can continue playing dirty, trying to trick the system and similar, but I will never recognise even a tiny bit of their authority. I will not even recognise the authority of any legal system having problems to understand ideas which I consider evident.

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  32. Will students add microaggressions to its list? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or will the only hate crimes be the ones that white patriarchal society decides that matter?

  33. Let's see about Durham statue toppling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you saw the video of the "protesters" who toppled the statue in Durham, then kicked its face and danced on it, it was pretty clear that it was motivated by hate.

    Let's see if it makes the Google/ProPublica list of hate crimes....

  34. Black panthers, louis farakhan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the songs tgat say kill whitey
    Are they going to block or ban those

  35. If they catch BLM, Antifa and catch hoaxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they actually log real hate crimes and eliminate the hoaxes with machine learning then maybe we will see some good.

    I wonder if deplatforming counts as a hate crime to google.

    I wonder if they count firing their own staff for writing the truth will be a hate crime?

  36. self-defence? Hell no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not self defence unless you are in immediate physical threat.

    'Preemptive self defence' is just assault with a wafer thin excuse for being being a hypocritical, violent wanker.

  37. Re:The sources predict the outcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    defence

    Defence... Another Brit Twit putting their two Pence in. We get it. You don't like free speech. That's why we parted ways 200+ years ago. Now go back to monitoring your cameras.

  38. Nail polish database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a nail polish database. Does anybody care?

    1. Re:Nail polish database by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a nail polish database. Does anybody care?

      Yes, I do. It sounds far more useful than what googles retards come up with.

  39. Re:If they catch BLM, Antifa and catch hoaxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real hoax is this truthiness people keep claiming ownership over. Truth is mine: mine alone. I manifest, without regard for how minimally you're willing to think about me. And whether you're right or wrong, I don't need your hand, as I am quite capable of defending myself.

  40. Google is learning from their Chinese masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are absorbing how to censor and vilify people nicely just like they do in Communist China.

    Also notice that Apple is doing this over there too - won't be long before your iOS or Android headset censors what you see and do, and reports right back to their database if you try to get around it.

    Expect a visit from the Goolag police in your future.

    1. Re:Google is learning from their Chinese masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reported. Welcome prisoner #55047509.

  41. jewboi data-mongers lurch for power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once klanish sheeny sporting a long and snifting nose. Wait 100 years .... still hustling the inner-tube while nose gets longer. All social memes & cliches drop ... into ... place ... making the observer doubt cultural evolution.

  42. what exactly is hate speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do you know it when you hear, read it...say it? I'm willing to bet one person's opinion is another person's hate speech. It's sad to see that we don't tolerate free speech anymore...what happens when people feel their speech is being restricted? They start to go beyond speech...and into action. The way to keep civility is by allowing free speech, not by limiting it, this is what the founding fathers knew.

  43. Yet more Marxist/Maoist propaganda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless this records and reports incidents of violence incurred by Antifa / Black Lives Matter / Social Justice Warriors, it is worse than useless: it is yet more alt-left propaganda perpetuated by Google and its far-left cohorts.

    Seriously. The far right are not the only ones (nor even the majority) committing hate crimes these days. Violent radical anarchists are the principle offenders in present-day North America.

  44. It will become a "hate crime" to criticize Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Very dangerous waters.

    This is just an extension of not hiring people that post dumb things on Facebook - except it attacks freedom of speech and assembly and questioning authority - now corporate authority or the authority of another group or country.

    Who is to say that just visiting a website where "bias" is discussion does not put you on "a List."

    Talk to people from Mao's Cultural Revolution and STASI East Germany.

    They will tell you first hand this will all end in tears.

  45. I'm concerned over definitions. by w3woody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem I have with the data sources that may then be used by organizations like Google is that they inherently become subjective as all hell.

    For example, if we were to use the definition of a "hate crime" as one where a group or organization engages in violent actions in order to create social change, you not only scoop up White Separatists, but you also scoop up many in the Civil Rights movement, who used violence to get change. You also scoop up the labor rights activists of the early 1900's who engaged in violence in order to promote social change.

    So inherently the definition of a "hate crime" becomes inherently tied up in who is doing the hating and what is being hated.

    A Westboro Church member punches a homosexual because of who he is, and of course it's a "hate crime." But a homosexual punches a Westboro Church member because of who he is--well, the fact pattern is exactly the same: A punches B because of who B is. But should that be classified as a hate crime?

    It's why I'd like to see us do away with the whole concept of "hate crimes" and prosecute the underlying crime instead. And if you want social change badly enough you are willing to sacrifice your life (and become a prisoner for your actions) then so be it. The public can then judge if you're a martyr or a murderer based on the social currents rather than by overt definition.

    1. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      The difference between Neil deGrasse Tyson punching Weev for being a neo-Nazi and Weev punching NGT for being black is pretty simple: Tyson can't change the fact he's black. The sooner Weev wants to stop being a neo-Nazi the better.

      You can hate Democrats, Republicans, Nazis or Antifa and these are entirely different from hating ethnic groups precisely because the former is a CHOSEN identity while the latter is a BORN AS identity.

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    2. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by w3woody · · Score: 1

      If I'm permitted to punch someone for aspects they can change, then I can punch a Democrat for being a Democrat, or a Muslim for being Muslim, or a Liberal for being Liberal, or--if we assume homosexual behavior (as opposed to internal feelings or desires) is elected behavior (you can choose not to kiss someone, for example)--I can punch a homosexual for acting gay. Is that the world you wish to live in?

      I suspect not.

      Which takes us right back to the problem with 'hate crimes', in that, at the bottom of the stack, they become subjective as hell.

      Personally if I were to call something a "hate crime", it would include punching people because of their religion or because of the way they choose to express their sexuality. But that's my own subjective opinion.

    3. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      Punching people is already illegal -- the point of a hate crime is a charge on top of an already committed crime.

      So yes, you could punch your political opponents without it being a hate crime (still not "permitted"). However, religion is largely familial almost everywhere in the world, meaning that if your parents are Jewish, you're going to get a bris and if you're parents are Christian, you're going to get baptized -- and there's nothing you can do about it. Leaving the religion you were brought up in can mean losing your family, which is not like losing a job or mate, since you're only born with one.

      Sexuality, too, is something that science has thus far shown to have a strong genetic component. Other groups might include people with incurable genetic disorders or other diseases (leprosy is probably the classic example).

      I agree that there's some subjectivity to the idea of hate crimes, but documenting the most egregious does not seem to be a slippery slope toward totalitarianism.

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    4. Re: I'm concerned over definitions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, just like anyone can choose to quit being Muslim.

    5. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I am legally allowed to hate anyone I want for any reason. There cannot be an additional charge added on top for an opinion or you live in a thought control police state.

    6. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by w3woody · · Score: 1

      I agree that there's some subjectivity to the idea of hate crimes, but documenting the most egregious does not seem to be a slippery slope toward totalitarianism.

      No, of course not. Until someone cuts off your Internet access and starts controlling the content you are allowed to post on the Internet in general. After all, as we all know, the Great Firewall of China is no big deal. Right?

      Seriously I don't think we're going to go down that path, but only because in the weeks or months to follow, all this virtue signaling will no longer matter, and cooler heads will prevail. (Or at least be reminded of their legal obligations as a common carrier not to editorialize the content that travels through their systems, or run the risk of liability for every. last. byte that travels over their service. I mean, you can't stand for Net Neutrality, but only for people you like, right?)

    7. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by w3woody · · Score: 1

      Presently that is not the law in the United States.

    8. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Even worse, this is already being used to track incidents of "intimidate, harass, humiliate", i.e. not actual crimes.

      And then there is how the ProPublica reporters are conveniently now relying on bogus SPLC classifications to work towards blacklisting/removing Internet utilities from bloggers they don't like, because obviously someone who is anti-Muslim-extremist terrorism should have their Paypal account cancelled, etc... but ISIS? They're ok with those guys as not "hateful".

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    9. Re:I'm concerned over definitions. by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      I once met someone (a then-fiancé of an acquaintance), let's call him Joe, who got himself into a situation about a decade back. From what I gathered, some guy at a bar, let's call him Bob, was giving Joe's buddy a hard time. One thing led to another, and pretty soon they were taking things outside. By the time it was done, Bob had received a pretty significant beating, though he thankfully didn't suffer any permanent damage. Even so, the beating went beyond what I would imagine is typical of a bar fight (having never seen one in person, I'm ill-equipped to say), given that they kept kicking him after they had him on the ground.

      Anyway, fast forward a few days and the police arrive to arrest Joe, but rather than it being a mere assault charge, he found out he was being charged with a hate crime. Bob, as it turned out, was a homosexual, and even though the two of them had never met before that night, Bob claimed that Joe shouted homophobic slurs as he kicked Bob, so Joe must have attacked Bob because of his orientation. It was a he-said/he-said scenario with Joe having no prior record and there being no evidence that Joe harbored homophobic tendencies (or was even aware of Bob's orientation), but the judge was openly lesbian and an LGBT rights activist, who instead of recusing herself, instead chose to throw the book at Joe, tossing him in jail without parole for the maximum sentence permitted for a violent hate crime.

      Don't get me wrong: Joe absolutely deserved a criminal assault charge. And frankly, I didn't know Joe well enough to rule out the possibility that he really was a homophobe and that everything Bob said was true (in fact, I knew him so little that I can't even remember his name at this point). Even so, tacking "hate crime" onto the sentence increased the time Joe spent in jail by several years, and while I don't know that it happened here, the notion that someone like Bob can make a false claim without evidence in order to trump up an otherwise fairly typical charge has continued to haunt me to this day.

      As you said, the only rational course is to prosecute the underlying crime.

  46. Will the BLM Dallas shooting be in this database? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was hate driven, right. Is hatred of whites still hate or is it different?

  47. Is Google going to list itself? by Khyber · · Score: 1

    Or Twitter? After all, they aid and abet this shit in the first place, and their behavior shows it. Aiding and abetting a hate crime is part of hate crimes, IIRC.

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  48. Simplify that shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if(victim == white && victim == male) hatecrime = false;

    1. Re:Simplify that shit by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      Nope, because that implies that white males can ever be a victim instead of just a perpetrator/oppressor. And true SJW's know that that's simply not possible, ever.

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    2. Re: Simplify that shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Both of them agree.

  49. Fuck Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  50. Just one litmus test by hsthompson69 · · Score: 1

    Did they include the Facebook Live Torture case as a hate crime?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/...

    Black on white crime is hateful too.

  51. Nevergofullretard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google is going full retard...

    Whoops, am I on the hate list now for saying "retard?"

  52. What will it take to make me use DuckDuckgo? by richrz · · Score: 1

    THIS SHIT.

  53. it will have the opposite effect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I speculate that the rise in violence from the anti-alt-right groups is actually causing the unintended opposite effect, and in fact gives the alt-right more support they would otherwise not have.
    The moderates who would have been on their (anti-alt-right) side will no longer wish to associate with them due to the violence.
    The moderates who would lean right will react to the attacks by increasing their support and possibly moving further right.

    But what do you expect, when the righteous on either side believe that violence is the way to shut the other side down. The alt-left/antifa and alt-right are a lot closer to each other, as they are both leaning towards imposing their view and quashing dissent with violence.

  54. i am getting tired of bloody sleight of hand by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    surely, "hate news database" is much less menacing and Orwellian than "hate crime database"

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  55. Hopefully I will be on it by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    I hate everybody. Equally. If everyone knows I'm a hater, maybe they'll stay away.

  56. Re:It will become a "hate crime" to criticize Goog by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    it will be a hate crime not to use google

  57. Awesome by gamehersgarden · · Score: 1

    This isn't government. You tech assholes are just shit at life.

  58. Les Misérables by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    Watch what happens to Jean Valjean to see where that sort of thinking gets us.

  59. ProPublica and the subprime mortgage scandal by kiddell · · Score: 2

    ProPublica is not "Journalism in the Public Interest." It is a leftist propaganda outlet funded by the Sandlers who became wealthy from their subprime mortgage scam. You can see them portrayed by SNL in this video. https://archive.org/details/Pu... That Google should be involved with them means I will be using a different search engine.

  60. Congrats! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your post just made the list!

    You will be hearing from Us.

    1. Re:Congrats! by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      You will be hearing from Us.

      I am looking forward to it. I am always happy to prove bully-wannabes how ridiculous and useless are their petty attempts at trying to impose their arbitrary nonsense on others.

      Just in case it isn't evident to everyone: that AC is clearly joking, but I am not.

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  61. Don't be evil... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait until I'm walking home by a protest I didn't know was happening. Some snowflake takes a picture of me and posts it online with the rest of the "white nationalists" for the crime of being white. Then my name is entered into a publicly searchable database forever despite never having committed a crime. Then I can expect violent "retribution" for said crime against me and my family. Then I will not be able to rent property, get a decent job or I'm betting in the near future even get a passport. I certainly won't be able to run for any public office or teach at public schools.

    "Don't be evil" indeed. This is NOT a slippery slope, this is obvious what is going on. Fuck you Google.

  62. Hate is an emotion, not a crime. by Ignatius · · Score: 1

    Don't you think that the concept of "thought crime" is already bad enough?

  63. Ben Shapiro by lucaiaco · · Score: 1

    Ben Shapiro got physically assaulted and menaced of being beaten up by a transgender on TV and got away with it because as a trans the guy was a protected minority. Look it up if you don't believe me.

    1. Re:Ben Shapiro by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Ben Shapiro got physically assaulted and menaced of being beaten up by a transgender on TV and got away with it because as a trans the guy was a protected minority. Look it up if you don't believe me.

      If slightly touching on the back of the neck is a physical assault to Ben Shapiro, he must be a Transager - a 5 year old girl in the body of a 33 year old wussy Nazi. He must have had his sex fantasies of that woman beating him to his orgasm confused with what really happened.

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  64. Wouldn't making such a database be a hate crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in, bloody obvious that it would be.

  65. Hate Crime by nsaspook · · Score: 1

    Hate Crime.

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  66. black on white violence and rapes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the database going to contain the ~37000 black on white rapes every year? The rest of the black on white violence?

  67. Don't be evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they going to include an entry for themselves for hating haters? Lol

  68. What is the purpose? by misnohmer · · Score: 1

    Whenever collecting data and visualizing it in various reports, there usually is an intended purpose, i.e. who's going to be looking at the reports and what actions and/or decisions will be made based on those reports. Those actions/decisions should in turn change the next iteration of the report, closing the control loop.

    Can I someone enlighten me what exactly is this hate reporting expected to accomplish? Who is the intended audience and what decisions are they expected to make based on this report?

  69. Hmmm by Alamandorious · · Score: 1

    As long as -all- hate crimes are put up, with none being dis-included because some believe it's impossible to commit a hate crime against them, then I'm for this.

  70. A better type of crime to monitor by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I'd prefer they create a database of crimes by cops.

    Or rather -- since cops rarely get prosecuted, much less convicted, for actions that would be considered crimes if committed by non-"heroes" -- a database of, um, dubious actions by cops. Killing pet dogs for no apparently reason. Forcibly exploring bodily orifices under questionable circumstances. Busting into homes without warrants -- for that address. That sort of thing.

    Not going to hold my breath, waiting on that one.

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  71. I hate Google. by Reziac · · Score: 1

    So put me on the list.

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  72. Nazi Billionaire Orchestrates Ghetto Registry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feels like 1940 except back then it was IBM- next will be resettlement for those who supposedly have a monopoly on hate...

  73. Hate Crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we have a couple of NGOs teamed up to define what a crime is without the benefit of a judge or jury, and no doubt make this list available to anyone...

    THAT sounds like a hate crime to me.

  74. Top of the list by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    The Democratic party. What other group has attracted hate groups of all kinds like they have? Gays that hate non gays, blacks that hate whites, illegals that hate law abiding citizens, and so on and so forth. Overall, they hate America and they'll tell you that. Often openly.

  75. Sounds like the new swatting is here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't like someone? Report them has hate crime enthusiasts. Plant evidence if you feel like it. Just the accusation and "guilty until proven innocent" process automation will do.