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50,000 Users Test New Anti-Censorship Tool TapDance (www.cbc.ca)

The CBC reports: What if circumventing censorship didn't rely on some app or service provider that would eventually get blocked but was built into the very core of the internet itself? What if the routers and servers that underpin the internet -- infrastructure so important that it would be impractical to block -- could also double as one big anti-censorship tool...? After six years in development, three research groups have joined forces to conduct real-world tests.
An anonymous reader writes: Earlier this week, Professor Eric Wustrow, from the University of Colorado at Boulder, presented An ISP-Scale Deployment of TapDance at the USENIX Workshop on Free and Open Communications on the Internet. TapDance is an anti-censorship, circumvention application based on "refraction networking" (formerly known as "decoy routing") that has been the subject of academic research for several years. Now, with integration with Psiphon, 50,000 users, a deployment that spans two ISPs, and an open source release, it seems to have graduated to the real world.
"In the long run, we absolutely do want to see refraction networking deployed at as many ISPs that are as deep in the network as possible," one of the paper's authors told the CBC. "We would love to be so deeply embedded in the core of the network that to block this tool of free communication would be cost-prohibitive for censors."

198 comments

  1. Not A Moment Too Soon by Crashmarik · · Score: 1, Insightful

    With Google, Facebook, Twitter and Cloudfare all deciding they get to be the worlds nannies this may just what the doctor ordered.

    1. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      So the doctor is a Nazi?

    2. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Nutria · · Score: 2

      But how does this help when:

      1) Oppressive Regimes don't install this routers, and
      2) hosting & DNS servers and CDNs cancel your service?

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    3. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Private companies have the right to control the content on their own servers. Anonymized servers and services (e.g., the dark web) are quickly overrun with illegal content. Choose your poison.

    4. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You did not even read it did you? It is just a way for internet users to bypass (government) blocks. It does not solve the problem of denying people a forum to spout their ideas in the first place.

      And I doubt it will work as intended. The Chinese will just label it a "circumvention device" and punish anyone that will provide this infrastructure right from the start. In fact, they have already started by demanding all information of chinese users will be stored on servers in China. China will not hesitate to fracture the internet if need be. In fact, I think that is there long term goal.

    5. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "First they came for the Nazis...". If a couple of entities get to decide what speech is acceptable and what isn't, and can effectively keep "undesirable" speech from reaching the public, then who is to say who's next? If the nazis don't have freedom of speech, we don't have it either, even if it feels good to be rid of them and we ourselves don't yet have to feel limited in what we say. Just wait.

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    6. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And if you want to see this in action, you just needed to see the anti-First Amendment rioters in Boston yesterday. They prevented people from holding a rally in support of the First Amendment and required something like 500 riot police in order to contain. All because they decided that anyone who supports free speech is by definition a Nazi.

      You might not like what they say, but it is absolutely vital to a healthy society that they be allowed to say it. Otherwise, things like the violence in Charlottesville and Boston will continue.

    7. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the nazis don't have freedom of speech, we don't have it either,

      That's not even close to true. Nazis don't have freedom of speech in Germany, haven't had it for over half a century, but you still hear loud political discourse from all over the ideological spectrum. Nobody was "next".

      Slippery slope arguments are for dopes. Don't fall into that trap. Free speech isn't a suicide pact. Societies, like any natural organic system, has the right to reject cancer, harmful bacteria or viruses.

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    8. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You conflated "nannies" with people who fight nazi cowards, for the good of society. Nazis are undeserving of any protections, they are lawless children living in a grown-up's world now. They need to be culled.

    9. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're wrong. They literally are arresting people now who blaspheme against Islam, under the same anti-Nazi laws. The slope is real.

      I know that you feel really good about all of this, but you of all people should fight for the right to say incredibly stupid and ignorant shit, because that's what you do constantly.

    10. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 0, Troll

      Do you really believe that shit? God damn you are a stupid retard! Cite some case records, because if this is remotely true and valid then those should be publicly available from multiple sources. Honestly I think you are just a dumb ass repeating bullet points from some Nazi saluting ass-wipe's facebook infogram.

    11. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by mSparks43 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      nonesense. all nazis should have the swastika cut into their forehead inglorious bastards style.

    12. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked those drug sellers didn't mind me speaking my mind, so I guess it's easy to decide who to side with.

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    13. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      nonesense. all nazis should have the swastika cut into their forehead inglorious bastards style.

      Yes, and all Jews should have a star pinned to their clothing...gee...where have I heard that before...

    14. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      I would prefer the Nazi sympathizers were made to wear clown suits, because that is what they really are, and it is how everyone sees them in public once they reveal their utterly insane beliefs.

    15. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really believe that shit? God damn you are a stupid retard! Cite some case records, because if this is remotely true and valid then those should be publicly available from multiple sources. Honestly I think you are just a dumb ass repeating bullet points from some Nazi saluting ass-wipe's facebook infogram.

      The Supreme Court of the United States has plenty of precedent you can read about how freedom of speech is a right and therefore it is the job of government is to protect it. (See the Declaration of Independence--specifically why "governments are instituted")

    16. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 0

      Cite something specific with a case number because a vague appeal is worth nothing. A specific case can be examined and your mistakes in interpretation can be fixed. Or, just admit you are a fucking idiot who can't learn and who is worthless.

    17. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 1, Troll

      Remember that this was your claim: "They literally are arresting people now who blaspheme against Islam, under the same anti-Nazi laws. The slope is real." Give me one fucking example where someone was arrested for this outside of Iran, Indonesia, etc. And bullshit answers don't count. Give me case numbers, names, dates, etc. Specific information.

    18. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      because mutilared genitals isnt enough?

      Although, legend has it, many Jews actually wear the star of david voluntarily.

    19. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Z80a · · Score: 2

      Anti censorship tools are tools that can be used by the nazi to speak their shit and by their victims to denounce their shit. Also by people smart enough to convince people to not be nazis in first place.

    20. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Entirely different kind of censorship. Google, FB etc aren't preventing you from going to the content of your choice; they're choosing not to transmit/host/index it. You can't find it, therefore it doesn't exist. Oppressive governments block access to anything they deem inappropriate. You have to already know it's there or you wouldn't be able to reach it using this redirect tool.

      So no, this tool won't do a thing for corporate censorship, which is centered around denying that a particular thing exists. It's purely to bypass the other kind of censorship, like accessing a free and open press, expressing yourself online, or browsing for torrents on The Pirate Bay.

    21. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Except they aren't and this won't help.

    22. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Dark nets.

      Fucking stupid question.

    23. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1) Oppressive Regimes don't install this routers

      Doesn't matter. This relies on friendly regimes installing the functionality. The redirect works whenever someone accesses any site that hosts the redirect capability. The censoring country can only stop the redirects by banning access to all servers that run it. If enough servers run the redirect capability, this is what TFA calls "prohibitive to block" since they'd have to cut off access to basically the internet itself.

      2) hosting & DNS servers and CDNs cancel your service?

      It doesn't help in this case at all. That's not its point.

    24. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can register your domain directly and host your own dns.

    25. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can go from there:
      http://pamelageller.com/2017/08/islam-reich-alliance.html/
      So don't be a lazy shit, just use a search engine.

    26. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they're not doing enough to censor Republican. We need everyone to silence their kind in order to protect free speech. Taking free speech from their kind protects it for normal people.

    27. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by OYAHHH · · Score: 2

      You don't pay very close attention do you?

      http://grk.am/S1

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    28. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God damn you are a stupid idiot!

    29. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google... EU Blasphemy Arrest.. Then come back to apologize, you fucking imbecile.

    30. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/20/europes-blasphemy-and-defamation-laws-threaten-democratic-values-critics-say/

      Enjoy the reading, you fucking imbecile.

    31. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_law#Germany

      You lose. Now shut the fuck up, Nazi.

    32. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by hsthompson69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, but something doesn't smell right - if friendly ISPs can recognize this protocol and aid and abet the bypassing of firewalls, then censoring entities can *also* recognize this protocol.

      Where's the method for preventing interception of the initial handshake?

    33. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He thinks he has any credibility by linking wikipedia.

    34. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are illiterate aren't you? Specific examples demonstrating what was claimed, not random bullshit. Try again fucktards.

    35. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      So you fucktards are trying to use the arrest of a German-naturalized turk by Spanish authorities responding to an international warrant as a premise? It will be thrown out once the claim by Turkey is recognized as politically motivated because the fellow writes about the Armenian genocide which embarrasses Turkey and Erdogan. You really need to learn how to read and comprehend things, which seems like your fundamental problem. Please repeat primary school.

    36. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's not even close to true. Nazis don't have freedom of speech in Germany, haven't had it for over half a century, but you still hear loud political discourse from all over the ideological spectrum. Nobody was "next".

      Germany and free speech, Germany and free speech, where have I heard this trope before? Oh right, last year where a comedian was being charged for the crime of "insulting a foreign head of state". Now to be fair they did eventually drop the charges and made moves to drop that particular crime, though the current status of that effort I do not know. Who knows, maybe the made the motion of repealing it but it "Died in committee" only for the law to be dusted off again when it is convenient.

      But the question remains, why was that particular thing codified into law? What prompted the German leaders to make it illegal to criticize foreign heads of state? Was there some pressing crisis of low moral foreign dignitaries in need of a safe space in Germany? I am not sure, but the after effects remain. This is yet another example of the chilling effects that free speech restrictions can have upon "loud political discourse". While you may say there is no slippery slope, I would say that this is but one example of one. Nazi's may not have freedom of speech in Germany, but neither do political comedians.

      P.S. For those Slashdotters living in Germany, I am not aware of the current status of your Lese-Majeste laws but do be aware that U.S. President Trump is also a big fan of expanding Libel laws, so unless you know for certain that the law mentioned above was repealed you may want to keep quite about him. Because he will certainly use them against you if he can.

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    37. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      German law goes after anyone who could upset democracy as put in place in West Germany and now in Germany.
      Left, right, faiths, publishers, political parties all face the same political laws and have to be very aware of what they say and comment on.
      The US has freedom of speech and freedom after speech. A much better legal system to publish in as rights are fully protected from any governments :)

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    38. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Societies, like any natural organic system, has the right to reject cancer, harmful bacteria or viruses.

      Yes but that rejection should take the form of society (not government) outing and ostracizing nazis till they learn that they are wrong. It's not government's job to censor bad opinions, they cannot be trusted with that power, they will abuse it. It's society's group responsibility, the presence of the group lessens possible abuse.

    39. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is absolutely vital to a healthy society that they be allowed to say it. Otherwise, things like the violence in Charlottesville and Boston will continue.

      The Charlottesville terrorist attack happened exactly because the Nazi march was allowed, not in spite of it. Anyway, when Nazis are allowed to march in uniforms with weapons and intimidate people, I see that as a sign of a society in decay, not a "healthy society".

    40. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      German law goes after anyone who could upset democracy as put in place in West Germany and now in Germany.
      Left, right, faiths, publishers, political parties all face the same political laws and have to be very aware of what they say and comment on.
      The US has freedom of speech and freedom after speech.

      And yet, if you go to Germany right now, you will hear much greater diversity in political speech and ideology than you will in the US. Far left, far Right, and everything in between. Loudly spoken and debated. Anarchists, fascists, communists, every possible position on the spectrum is heard in Germany. Just don't be a Nazi. "German Law" hasn't done anything to curtail free speech. Just don't be a Nazi.

      Just don't try to pretend the Holocaust didn't happen, because Germany has the fucking receipts for the Holocaust, and they will shut you down.

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    41. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yes but that rejection should take the form of society (not government) outing and ostracizing nazis till they learn that they are wrong

      OK, that's what Antifa is for. They are the new first responders, and they're here to reject Nazism with extreme prejudice, because that's all Nazis understand.

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    42. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "German Law" hasn't done anything to curtail free speech
      The only speech that is allowed in Germany is legal speech that supports democracy.
      Some of the origins of modern German law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Thats very different to the USA and having free speech fully protected before and after speaking or publication.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    43. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or creating a loving home for our own mental illnesses like transgenderismne, homosexuality, etc.

      Who decides what is "disease" and what is not? Progressive lefties? The "nazis" right? The moderates and centrists who are called "SjW communists" by the right or nazis by the left just for thinking it is ok to ask questions of the establishment weather corporate or government?

      Who?

    44. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... You were wrong... A simple, "I'm sorry sorry." is all you needed to say, dipshit.

    45. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      It does not relate to claimed anti nazi laws so you are still wrong. Rather this fits under the bullshit category as it is deflection. You fucktards really need to work on reading skills. Or you are worthless and clowns.

    46. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1

      "German Law" hasn't done anything to curtail free speech. Just don't be a Nazi.

      Ahem. Though please please please, tell me how this comedian was a Nazi.

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    47. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Though please please please, tell me how this comedian was a Nazi.

      He wasn't a Nazi and his freedom of speech was not curtailed and he was not prosecuted. Merkel said the prosecution could move forward, but it never did. And all this happened after his poem was published and distributed widely. And the law was changed.

      Go back and read the article more carefully. And remember, free speech does not mean consequence-free speech. You can still be dragged into court for libel or slander. If you cry "fire" in a theater, you can be prosecuted. Even right here in freedom-loving Texas, you can be prosecuted for "fighting words", defined as:

      1. Use “abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language,” of the kind likely to provoke a physical altercation.

      You think flying a Nazi flag or telling people that you're going to put them in ovens or promoting the Klan in a majority black community might fit that definition? Of course it does. Free speech does not give you the right to say whatever kind of shit you want without consequences. It didn't in 1789 and it doesn't now.

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    48. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ENTIRELY FALSE PREMISE - "If the nazis don't have freedom of speech, we don't have it either"

      "If I can't say fire in a theater or bomb on a plane I can't say anything at all!"

    49. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by kipsate · · Score: 1

      Slippery slope arguments are for dopes.

      It is undisputable that Germany is on a slippery slope.

      At first, only Nazi propaganda was outlawed. The new "Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz" now also makes “evidently unlawful” content illegal and forces Facebook, Twitter and other social media platforms to remove it or be fined. It is unclear what is meant by "evidently unlawful" but it is definitely no longer just confined to Nazi propaganda.

      Textbook slippery slope.

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    50. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PopeRatzo is wealthy and supports with the deranged policies of the "Progressive" financial and political establishment. He doesn't feel, at the moment, threatened by censorship. So he sees no personal value in freedom of speech.

      Moreover he sees that freedom (at the moment) mostly benefits the common workingman. God forbid those filthy, subhuman plebs be allowed to speak their minds in public! So you can see why PopeRatzo hates freedom of speech and fights against it.

    51. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1

      He wasn't a Nazi and his freedom of speech was not curtailed and he was not prosecuted. Merkel said the prosecution could move forward, but it never did.

      Yeah, if I saw someone escape prosecution by the skin of his teeth I am sure going to be encouraged to speak up like him. Chilling effects dude, they happen.

      Go back and read the article more carefully.

      I could but I have taken notice of what happened already. Germany has a lese-majeste law on the books. This guy (rightly or wrongly) criticized Recepe Erdrogen and his stalking of hobbits up Mt. Doom personal characteristics,and he tried to use that law to silence a critic. And Merkel was ok with that. Do you think that encouraged "loud political discourse"?

      You can still be dragged into court for libel or slander.

      the U.S. has a much stricter definition of libel and slander than European countries, so much so that we passed the SPEECH act. Germany on the other hand moved to prosecute a comedian for criticizing Erdrogen, who recently wanted to make the teaching of evolution illegal.

      You think flying a Nazi flag or telling people that you're going to put them in ovens or promoting the Klan in a majority black community might fit that definition? Of course it does. Free speech does not give you the right to say whatever kind of shit you want without consequences. It didn't in 1789 and it doesn't now.

      Quit trying to drag neo-nazis into this shit. You asserted that " if you go to Germany right now, you will hear much greater diversity in political speech and ideology than you will in the US.". And I have already shown that is not the case. I, here in the US, can criticize any leader i want and not fear prosecution. Trump is a narcissist, Edrogan needs to lay off them hobbits, Merkel is a coward and Theresa May is a way worse leader than Lord Buckethead. Can anyone in Germany say the same?

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    52. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by johanw · · Score: 2

      Terrorist attack? Get real, someone was beaten up by the SWJ extremists and flipped. While of course illegal I would not call that terrorism.

    53. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      You asserted that " if you go to Germany right now, you will hear much greater diversity in political speech and ideology than you will in the US.". And I have already shown that is not the case.

      No, you haven't, you stupid, illogical wad of used condoms.

    54. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Censorship is suicide, or it's murder. Who cares? It's poison. But you're right, free speech is not a suicide pact, it's a vaccine against tyranny.

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    55. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      As they say, the law is an ass. Any technology that can circumvent all censorship will be the best thing that can happen. Then we won't have to hear all the stupid masturbatory arguments about it.

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    56. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      I really think that has FAR more to do with Germany being a federal parliamentary republic VS. the US's "winner takes all" system. The US system seems to end up with only two parties, no matter how many times a "third party" splits off. A parliament allows many different groups to share power, although theoretically it can "collapse" into a "snap election" for Prime Minister at any time.

    57. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot needs to block all Russia linked accounts to save itself.

    58. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but you still hear loud political discourse from all over the ideological spectrum

      No you don't. The big parties are more alike than ever. There is no spectrum. Anyone who critizes them is immediately called a Nazi by politicians and the media.

      For example after the Barcelona attacks they all agreed to stop campaigning for a while until it blows over (at the initiative of the current ruling party) because they wanted NO discourse of their policies.

    59. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who claim the "slippery slope" is a fallacy are usually parroting out of a textbook and can't think for themselves when it comes to real world arguments.

    60. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This happened in the Netherlands. A case was made against a cartoonist who made fun of Islam, descendants of slaves on a guilt trip, politics in general, that sort of thing. Hate speech? Not at all a clear cut case, nevertheless an indictment was made and 9 heavily armed policemen broke into his flat in the middle of the night to grab him and his laptop. In the end all charges were dropped, but the guy got the message and stopped making cartoons. Mission accomplished, one undesirable voice silenced.

      This sort of thing shouldn't be possible in a society that takes free speech seriously. And that starts with not having vague delimitations of that freedom. In Europe, critique of Islam is increasingly seen as "hate speech". In the USA, you don't have to wave a swastika around to be branded a nazi, it is enough to defend a statue of a confederate general. Or maybe a trump bumper sticker is sufficient these days. Look at what happened on some social media sites in the wake of events in Charlottesville: suddenly all of alt-right (whatever the hell that is) is branded undesirable.

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    61. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are those "insane beliefs"? Because strangely enough, the Jewish media didn't actually tell us, did it?
      Would those "insane beliefs" be that white people have the right to have their own countries, like every other race on Earth? Why do you disagree with that?

    62. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but there is NO reason or justification to censor ANY kind of speech.

      The solution to intolerant speech is speech countering it. If you can't come up with an argument that convincingly counters a racist's rhetoric, then you're fucking retarded.

    63. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by "pretend the Holocaust didn't happen"?
      Do you mean "prove that the Holocaust story is impossible because of scientific facts"? Jews run Germany, yet again, just like they did just before Hitler came to power, and Hitler came to power because the German people were fed up with what the Jews were doing to them and their country.
      The 'Holocaust' is the central lie that the Jew uses to terrorise their slave population...

    64. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll all notice how the idiots on the Left always resort to using swear words and get all irate when you try to rationally debate them.
      You know nothing about the real history of Germany. The German people escaped from the tyranny of the international bankers when Hitler started issuing his own currency, backed by LABOUR, not by thin air, and this meant that Germany was the only European country that was free from the Depression that occurred at the time. Obviously the Jewish bankers couldn't allow this situation to continue for much longer, otherwise all the other countries would start asking why they were living in poverty while Germany was doing so well - with the only difference between the countries being the Jewish tyrants with their fiat money system - so the Jews commanded their stooges in the governments of the 'Allies' to attack Germany, and that's exactly what they did.

      As for : "Free speech does not give you the right to say whatever kind of shit you want without consequences." Yes, it does. That is EXACTLY what "free speech" means... I wonder why you're so terrified of it? Because you're a typical, braindead Leftwinger, who hasn't got a clue why they believe what they do, and can't win a simple, open debate. Why does the Left NEVER challenge the Right to debates? Why is it ALWAYS the LEFT who tries to silence those who disagree with them? Because you're WRONG, that's why, and you know it.

    65. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " utterly insane beliefs" Why all the hate? Do you harass Jews, Muslins, Christians etc. too just because they think a wizard made the world?

    66. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Oh right, last year where a comedian was being charged for the crime of "insulting a foreign head of state".

      You own link says that he wasn't charged, merely that the state's prosecutors were allowed to decide if there should be charges based on Turkey's request for extradition. There was no prosecution in the end.

      Basically she refused to block it outright for diplomatic reasons (Turkey helping with the migrant crisis), knowing that it wouldn't go anywhere and that it was due to be repealed next year anyway. And Germany is hardly alone in having stupid old laws on its books.

      And to be clear, Merkel or anyone in the government doesn't have the power to prosecute people, only the judiciary can do that.

      though the current status of that effort I do not know. Who knows, maybe the made the motion of repealing it but it "Died in committee" only for the law to be dusted off again when it is convenient.

      Or perhaps if you read your own fucking link you would have noticed that they are planning to do it next year, and due to the linear nature of time that means it hasn't happened yet.

      But the question remains, why was that particular thing codified into law?

      Historical reasons. You may remember Germany had some issues with bad laws in the past.

      another example of the chilling effects

      Not really. This guy set out to test the limits of the law, and his actions resulted in it being changed. If anything, this episode should have emboldened people wishing to say controversial things as it has proven that the old law won't be used and no prosecution will result.

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    67. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cool story bro, now try criticising Merkel

    68. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So what will stop you from clicking on the link that downloads malware. Spyware, and other harmful material.

      Unfortunately the process to protect your network from bad actors is also the same technology to "protect" your government from alternative interpretations of history.

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    69. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by johanw · · Score: 1

      Then let them battle it out. It seems to me the score nazi vs. antifa is 1-0 at the moment.

    70. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yes, and all Jews should have a star pinned to their clothing...gee...where have I heard that before...

      In Medieval Europe?

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    71. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      At the behest of Muslims, UK police are tracking and arresting as terrorists immigrants who fought for Peshmerga and other anti-jihadist militias.

    72. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that *races* have countries. In the modern age of nation states, nations have states.

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    73. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up! Why marked as troll? It's exactly right, it's a slippery slope large organizations deciding what's hate speech.

    74. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The 'Holocaust' is the central lie that the Jew uses to terrorise their slave population...

      I hate Slashdot Nazis.

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    75. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "First they came for the Nazis...". If a couple of entities get to decide what speech is acceptable and what isn't, and can effectively keep "undesirable" speech from reaching the public, then who is to say who's next? If the nazis don't have freedom of speech, we don't have it either, even if it feels good to be rid of them and we ourselves don't yet have to feel limited in what we say. Just wait.

      Define freedom of speech.

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    76. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      "First they came for the Nazis..."

      Hilarious that this is being used unironically in defense of nazis now, considering that it's a paraphrasing of a quote about being persecuted by nazis.

      But maybe if we keep defending and coddling nazis, the original context will become more relevant again.

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    77. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Horseshit. The "free speech rally" was organized by the "alt-lite," which is a splinter of the alt-right composed of people not comfortable with openly supporting white nationalist views. They're still anti-immigration nationalists in a white-majority country, which is practically almost the same as being a white nationalist.

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    78. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      When Freedom of Speech = freedom to lie, Putinism results.
      Hitler liked the tactic of "alternative facts" and that short lived democracy died of the disease
      Until and unless Putinism is confronted at EVERY post, gathering or meme posting, freedom, even the idea of a rePUBLIC, is in danger.

    79. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      "Every Other Race" like China, being more than 30 different 'races' from Mongol to Uzbek?
      Idiot, that very claim is a lie

    80. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

      TFA doesn't provide much technical info, but the papers it links to explain this in some detail.

      In a nutshell, crypto and steganography: using the public key of the system, the client hides a signal in a TLS connection, which the TapDance station can recognize because it knows the private key. If you don't know the private key, the TLS connection looks like an ordinary stream of encrypted TLS records. In fact, it is a valid TLS connection, so the server doesn't think anything is weird about it either.

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    81. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all: "If the nazis don't have freedom of speech, we don't have it either"

      That isn't a slippery slope, that's a deductive fallacy.

      More importantly, I'm amazed at how often people get this wrong. I'm sure you can find a pdf of Cicero's work online for free. I think it would be wise for many to gain an understanding on what a fallacy is and is not. A fallacy is an error of logic in _building_ an argument, not necessarily in the argument's conclusion. Say I make the argument: The world is not flat; therefore, it is round. The conclusion is true, but the reason that the conclusion is true is not at all supported by my premise. I can find many, many, examples in the historical public discourse that were slippery slope fallacies, but whose conclusion were actually spot on(I can find just as many the other way, too). In the pragmatic world, everyone just needs to remember that the conclusion isn't immediately invalidated just because one used a slippery slope to arrive there, particularly when dealing when something where the conclusion is the most important point of the argument.

    82. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's stopping government from making illegal for ISP to install it or require people to run through government ISP?

    83. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about Ashkenazis? Hmmm? They are the people that invaded Palestine and are practicing apartheid..

    84. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by hsthompson69 · · Score: 1

      Read the paper, but it wasn't terribly clear either - they seemed more interested in scalability than operations.

      Anyway, so the trick is you need to make sure that end users behind the firewall can get your public key...which, if they're doing DPI, they can filter out, so that someone has to send it via snail mail, or otherwise stego it somewhere. Difficult, but not impossible.

      I guess the other problem is if the censors shove you behind an encryption terminating firewall (i.e., they insist you instantiate a valid TLS connection to *their* front end, which will only establish a TLS connection beyond it if they approve of the contents they see. Make SSL/TLS/etc illegal behind the censor firewall, and that'll put an end to any sort of hiding of the protocol.

    85. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

      They had the Psiphon folks doing the operations side of things. There's a presumption that the users can get the Psiphon software through some mechanism, and install it on their computers. I guess the Psiphon bundle includes the public key, maybe hidden in some way, maybe not, but in any case if they've figured out some way to sneak the Psiphon bundle past the bad guys, sneaking the public key past the bad guys seems like it wouldn't be any harder.

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    86. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

      In most parts of the world, everyone uses the government ISP already. That's a given.

      This software is installed in an ISP that's beyond the control of the censors. I don't think Merit Network or the University of Colorado are going to worry much about whether they or their users are breaking the network laws of some random country halfway around the world.

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    87. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by hsthompson69 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that makes sense.

      I was thinking the other way they could implement would be with some port knocking sequence to the friendly ISP - that crap is hella hard to notice, even with DPI. I wish there were more useful implementations of it, but my bet is the deep state is intent on suppressing that kind of tech.

    88. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      This is especially relevant in the current climate of having politicians and the media deciding who is a nazi and who isn't based on a whim. Or worse, groups like Antifa and universities like Evergreen State essentially being able to justify violence and censorship against anybody that they decide is a nazi, with the police and university staff only providing protection to the side making those accusations. Take for example, the Coulter and Milo speeches at Berkeley.

    89. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wondering, in your world, does a chilling affect on free speech only happens when one is prosecuted and thrown in jail?

      You don't believe there are other ways of chilling free speech, like - indeed - the threat of legal action? And what about non-legal action? I mean, the Muslims who killed cartoonists because they insulted Mohamed didn't 'prosecute' them neither, but one can hardly claim it doesn't have a chilling effect on free speech. Kill enough people with opposing views, and the rest will keep quite too, EVEN if the government doesn't prosecute you.

      Regardless, the issue here is, that one spectrum of society decides that another spectrum of society can't voice their opinion. That's curtailing free speech right there. It doesn't matter if a majority of society thinks THAT particular free speech shouldn't be allowed; if free speech is only allowed for popular things, where broad swats of the populace agree with, there is no longer free speech. Free speech isn't important for things and opinions one agrees with; those you can always say; it's of far more importance for the minority, unpopular opinions.

      There is a sliding slope, but you do not notice it readily, since you're not part of a minority spouting unpopular ideas. Generally speaking, in the West, there is a tendency to be adepts of humanism, tolerance (pretended or real), multi-culteralism, etc. by large swats of the populace, even by non-leftists. Thus, all pertaining to that spectrum, will be allowed. Yes, there are political differences, but those political differences can maintain themselves because they, too - each on their own - has a considerable part of the populace that supports them, and forbidding THAT would cause a lot of societal upheaval and would demonstrate the hypocrisy of those imposing it far more.

      In contrast, Nazi's are a very small minority, their more extreme ideas are very unpopular, and they have little to no political clout. So... they are easy targets. Everyone can pick on them, and outlaw their opinions without any fear of getting a backlash. It is, in effect, a form of 'dictatorship of the majority'.

      Of course, by doing so, the left or PC-right does, in effect, do exactly what the Nazi's/Muslim extremists/all intolerant people would do if they would ever have the majority: declaring the opposite party/opinions as being forbidden en outlawing it. The irony is, thus, that the left - at least in this respect - is using the same techniques as the (ultra)right would do. Any group wants to curtail speech that doesn't suit them, unless they fervently uphold free speech. and if they can get away with it, like with really unpopular minority viewpoints, they will. Or if they have enough power of their own and don't need to fear a backlash, they will (look at Erdogan).

      This is also the reason why you do not see cartoonists insulting Mohamed in Muslim countries. The authorities have far more power AND doing this would be really unpopular and a very-minority-thing to do. Which is why you do no have free speech there. And, let's say it as it is: if enough Muslims with those ideas permeate Europe, in 50-100 years, neither will there be in Europe anymore. That is to say: even far less than today. Or do you imagine Muslims only forbidding free speech when it handles Nazi's, and not when it is about their Koran?

    90. Re: Not A Moment Too Soon by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

      The obvious reaction from someone who has been bested. Consider yourself lucky. I save my smackdowns for those who deserve it the mostest.

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    91. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, shouting fire in a theatre (when it's not true) isn't done with the goal of communicating one's ideas and opinions, it's to solicit an immediate panic-response.

      This is not, or not necessarily, the case of Nazi's. It's possible a Nazi just expresses his opinions, and even tries to argument them. You analogy fails in that case, because of the specific reason falsely shouting fire in a theatre is prohibited for, which is not the case for merely expressing ones' opinion - even when those opinions are deemed repugnant. It's not like reading a book of someone claiming the Holocaust never happened will solicit the immediate panicked response that would occur with your examples.

      Mind that it is NOT prohibited because it would 'hurt their feelings', but because of the immediate reaction which would cause uncontrolled direct damage. So, unless one gets into a panicked frenzy of fear to the point of trampling all over other people by hearing an unsubstantiated opinion or a bad argument, the root reason to prohibit the one, and allow the other should remain in place.

      Mind you, the latter IS being claimed by leftist snowflakes that want safe spaces from free speech as well, these days.

    92. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      Define freedom of speech.

      The precise definition really doesn't matter. Freedom of speech is a natural consequence of the fundamental principle of proportional response. Simply avoid escalating matters by answering speech with physical violence (including "legal" violence like jail, fines, etc.) and the rest will take care of itself.

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    93. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Define freedom of speech.

      The precise definition really doesn't matter. Freedom of speech is a natural consequence of the fundamental principle of proportional response. Simply avoid escalating matters by answering speech with physical violence (including "legal" violence like jail, fines, etc.) and the rest will take care of itself.

      Is murder of your opposition an expression of free speech? Keep in mind, his supporters expressed that they support the murder.

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    94. Re:Not A Moment Too Soon by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      Well, im keeping my sig, i had it for years and i think it says all i have to say on the matter but ... does everyone really think the united lobbies of the free world and PC-Europe will just let it happen ? cos you can't block the nazi's either like that HAHAH ... which imo is as said ... well you either have free speech or you dont, i think its better to let it so you know at least where every fringe is hiding

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  2. All we need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All we need is a net that interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. And a catchy name - for this interconnected network of computers.

  3. Creimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will this stop the government censoring creimer's affiliate links?

  4. U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    See subject: It's what I believe in. No matter who you are/what your views are you have the right to speak (especially if you back it w/ fact. Not just "relative truths" but absolute hard fact). It's up to others to listen (or not) but if "a truncheon is used in lieu of conversation" we have a problem.

    APK

    P.S.=> A truly VERY serious problem that subverts 1 of this nation's fundamental values & rights... apk

    1. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by indi0144 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Correct me if Im wrong but weren't you, Americans, the ones that beat the crap out of the nazis and chest pounded over that fact for the next 60 years? And now you are getting all triggered because some wannabe nazi gets bitchlapped on the street? What the fuck happened to you America? How many RPMs do your grandparents are getting on their graves? How come you got so easily manipulable all for defending a $party that does not give a fuck about you.

      Is this karma for all the presidents you planted on "banana republics" that now you are going even lower in the cognitive dissonance regard?

    2. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is what you stated about what he stated on freedom of speech? That is what he spoke of. Please, take the heroin needle out of your arm and answer. Then tell us how your women are being raped by muslim immigrants. You aren't even men anymore and I think you know it.

    3. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      2015: Sorry snowflakes, there are no safe spaces in real life

      2017: Help I need somewhere safe to discuss my nationalist bullshit

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    4. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Can't figure out the difference? Do you need me to tell it to you, or would you rather work it out for yourself.

      2015: Sorry snowflakes, there are no safe spaces in real life

      Sorry snowflakes, we're not censoring media because it hurts your feelings.

      2017: Help I need somewhere safe to discuss my nationalist bullshit

      Help, there's insane communists trying to stifle everyone's speech, by declaring it 'hate speech.'

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    5. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communists, lol. You're a retarded nazi faggot.

    6. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you start seeing the middle ground as "insane communists", you might want to take a step back and take note that you're a political extremist.

    7. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      This isn't the middle ground. That's what people ended up protesting in Boston Commons. Insane communists indeed, with people wrapped in a media hysteria bubble.

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    8. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      IDK about muslim immigrants where I live now, those that came more than a hundred years ago and they all set successful business and there is no muslim mosques or culture whatsoever around here they all assimilated the local culture probably because we weren't bombing the shit out of them since the dawn of industrialization... oh wait you thought I was from Europe. Carry on

    9. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are quoting the "I invented email" litigious bullshitter as an accurate source? Seriously? Are you going to add the time cube guy next?

    10. Re:U.S. Citizens right to speak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's actually really easy; See, the nazis we killed were actually doing nazi things. They were killing people, they were forming death camps - I won't go too deep into the details, but I'm pretty sure you can look up 'What the actual nazis actually did'. The modern 'nazis' are just saying hurtful words. If they do any more than that - Attacking people or property - Then they get punched. If they're just talking and you hit them, congratulations, you've just assaulted a guy for voicing a dissimilar opinion.

  5. Unaddressed question by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As described in the article, it seems like this might be ripe for abuse as a hard-to-block DDOS tool. How would that be prevented?

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  6. tcp-only and rate limiting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those would be my bets.

    Also restricting it to censored nations only, so the intiating ip has to be from a heavily firewalled region.

    1. Re:tcp-only and rate limiting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then just like the territories which the occupying nations forced to be de-listed from the official "non-self-governing territories" list, nations will force themselves to be de-listed from the "censorship territories" list. You failed.

  7. Ripe for Abuse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is tailor made for all the worms of the 90s refined with special struxnet extensions.

  8. I doubt they'll waste it on Nazi scum content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nazi content just isn't that important really. I'm sure this will be put to better use than that crap.

  9. What ISP? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    They want an ISP-based system, but TFA does not makes clear that there are some ISP willing to implement the idea.

    One problem I foresee is that there seems to be no gain for a participating ISP, and most ISP are primarily driven by profit.

    1. Re:What ISP? by pedantic+bore · · Score: 1

      TFA (well, the second one, the USENIX paper) makes it clear that there are already two ISPs running this software.

      Not a tier-1 ISP, granted, but MERIT carries a pretty large chunk of the traffic in and out of the Midwest. It's a start.

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  10. Tor, I2P, vpngate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The technologies are already there.

    The former two need more development work, since many of the obfuscation formats for networks utilizing DPI have been fingerprinted sufficiently to kill connections/flag suspected users.

    The latter, vpngate, works out of the box and has rotating IP addresses and many 'volunteer' outproxies. Unlike Tor it works with both TCP and UDP, doesn't support port forwarding (limiting p2p apps running through it to client-only modes.)

    I2P supports both stream and datagram style packets, can tunnel either over the other, with the streaming mode offering a performance penalty, and only has a single http outproxy enabled by default, although it could in theory support TCP+UDP outproxying if someone wrote the socks5 support for it.

  11. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news, Google has delisted TapDance from it's search results and removed their servers from the DNS. A press release on this new Google initiative to establish freedom from hate is expected soon.

  12. Arrogant. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    What they are failing to recognize is that repressive governments can dictate what people can and cannot run on a server within their own borders. You can argue they can use servers outside their borders but that's just likely to cause them to completely segment their chunk of the internet.

    The real-world result of this tool is going to be enabling individuals that were banned from various sites for ToS violations to continue spreading hate/spam on those sites.

    It's good in concept but the reality is the $5 wrench will win.

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  13. proxy certificate by dhammabum · · Score: 1

    Refraction networking certainly makes it very difficult but not impossible to intercept comms. Would it not be possible to 'mandate' the use of a govt-sponsored root certificate on browsers? They could then do man-in-the-middle decryption at the router level. This would require a massive effort, but then the Great Firewall is pretty massive.

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    1. Re:proxy certificate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let them try to mandate a government-sponsored certificate for wget. That should work out well.

  14. FreeNet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How is this better than FreeNet?
    https://freenetproject.org/

    1. Re: FreeNet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would mod this up if I could. Does this meta-network provide any anonymity guarantees that exceed what Freenet has to offer?

  15. Re:Weep for Gilmore's Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nazi faggots get shot, nobody even cares.

  16. Brought to you by PopeRatzo's sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Brought to you by PopeRatzo's ADMITTED sponsor (employer) George Soros https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10845433&cid=54783553/

    1. Re: Brought to you by PopeRatzo's sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, don't you know everyone here either works for Soros or Putin. Pick a side.

    2. Re:Brought to you by PopeRatzo's sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better Soros than that gangster Putin---like you, APK.

      (You think we can't tell? You're an idiot.)

    3. Re: Brought to you by PopeRatzo's sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you can't read. PopeFatzo literally admitted it.

    4. Re:Brought to you by PopeRatzo's sponsor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see proof apk (who I don't see posting here is sponsored by Putin) but I see PopeFatzo admits George Soros pays him https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10845433&cid=54783553/ and minus proof you are the idiot. Keep shooting that heroin PopeFatzo. It's doing you wonders!

  17. Terrific! by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...so this means that people like the KKK and white supremacists can finally avoid being censored?

    That's good, right?

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    1. Re:Terrific! by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      ...so this means that people like the KKK and white supremacists can finally avoid being censored?

      That's good, right?

      Yes.

      Because if you can censor the KKK, you can censor anyone. And those that support censorship are never satisfied.

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    2. Re:Terrific! by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      If the KKK and Nazis just wanted to talk then they wouldn't kill people or carry rifles like hand bags. As it is, they bring violence upon themselves, or mockery. I prefer to mock the little fake-ass imitation soldiers who are so stupid they can't even tie their own fucking shoes without pictorial instructions.

    3. Re:Terrific! by sycodon · · Score: 0

      So far the Left has murdered 10 cops in cold blood and shot up a bunch of politicians.

      Your "Nazi" boogeymen haven't even showed up at their protests. Now we have one dead courtesy of the Nazis and you are getting your panties in a twist? I'd think someone who supports a group that has been so efficient at killing an injuring people over the last year would have a bit more fortitude.

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    4. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shaddap nazi faggot.

    5. Re:Terrific! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      You are a stupid fucking idiot, I'm German so have nothing to do with US political bickering. My position is vehemently anti-Nazi though. I will destroy any Nazi or sympathizer who attacks anyone. That does include killing them in a war, and to prevent them killing others as part of a revolution. Otherwise they are stupid fucks who get treated like the clowns they really are inside.

    6. Re: Terrific! by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      How much does Putin pay you to agitate against freedom of speech and undermine American values?

    7. Re: Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck off ivan

    8. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, 'Adolph'! Whatever you say! Sieg Heil!

      Your wife and daughters are getting a steady diet of Muslim immigrant cock, while you fap your tiny, impotent, authoritarian wiener-schnitzel at imaginary Nazis on the internet, and we're supposed to take anything you say seriously? GTFO!

      BTW, you DO know that those Muslim immigrants putting the meat to your family are the descendants of the Nazi's allies in WW2, right? *They* are more "Nazi" than any bunch of idiot shaved-head clowns running around the US. US 'Nazis' are like the KKK...there are no more than a 2-3 thousand in the whole country. They are a joke, except when they get desperate when they can't speak freely, like now.

      If you hate Nazis so much, just look out your window or walk to the train station, you'll see plenty. Your pussy ass and your countrymen won't dare confront REAL Nazis even when they're raping your women in your own country. Your angry words only serve to conceal the heart of a coward.

    9. Re:Terrific! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Then arrest those that commit crimes and let the rest speak. What exactly is your problem?

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    10. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess what? The violence is already illegal. So you don't need to censor the *language*.

      Also, considering the SJWs have been calling ANYONE they disagree with "nazi's" (including jewish people) and they have beem PROMOTING violence against anyone they label as a "nazi", no wonder actual nazi types show up armed when they just want to exercise their free speech.

      I fucking hate the nazi cunts, too, but going around advocating violence against them for TALKING is bullshit. And labeling anyone you disagree with as a nazi so you can justify violence against them is bullshit. And then justifying censorship to quell the violence that YOU promoted is bullshit.

    11. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming from a non-US English nation, what is wrong with Americans in general? Their collective psyche is like no other nation on the planet; the closest to a general national identity that can be described appears to be "paranoid schizophrenic on crack". That's a generalisation, obviously, but it's an awful one to consider.

    12. Re:Terrific! by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      You're a fucking idiot then. There was more damage in and to Germany from antifa and their ilk in the last year, then there has been by actual nazi's in the last decade.

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    13. Re:Terrific! by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Coming from a non-US English nation, what is wrong with Americans in general? Their collective psyche is like no other nation on the planet; the closest to a general national identity that can be described appears to be "paranoid schizophrenic on crack". That's a generalisation, obviously, but it's an awful one to consider.

      A few decades ago this was not so much the case in the US as it is today. What you are witnessing is the result of identity/group politics dividing people along every conceivable social dividing line...be it race, religion, gender, wealth, or ideology...then fanning-up the flames of hate and pitting these groups against each other so that TPTB can maintain and grow their power, control, and wealth, with little pushback possible from the fractured and infighting plebs who are too busy hating and fighting each each other to resist anything TPTB wish to do.

      Strat

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      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    14. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're armed because BLM and antifa beat the shit out of anyone who isn't liberal enough. You'd have to be insane to attend a rally or protest where they're likely to show up without considering how you're going to defend yourself.

      And BLM has been involved with the murder of many police officers. Save the BS about moral superiority. It isn't the right that burns down entire city blocks, loots, riots, and throws urine at the police.

    15. Re:Terrific! by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Honestly that was the point of my comment, but I fear Poe's Law got in my way.

      I just got torched for insisting that Google de-listing 'hate sites' is a dangerous slippery slope, prompting my post here.

      --
      -Styopa
    16. Re:Terrific! by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      You are a deluded idiot. Look up the NSU a self-declared Nazi criminal gang with an action group murdering immigrants who were more productive and beneficial to society than those clowns ever could be. They killed 10 including a policewoman, but when those drooling idiots tried to rob a bank they were beaten and were so cowardly they killed themselves instead of surrendering. Ample evidence shows it is a larger group numbering around 200 who must be hunted down and they will be on short notice.

    17. Re:Terrific! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about that, my friend. I know that if I went to a right-wing demonstration in Berkeley, there's a pretty good chance that someone is going to try and attack me. Why would I not prepare to defend myself from that attack?

  18. Won't be allowed in Australia... by jezwel · · Score: 1

    Down under we're busy blocking more torrent sites - like that ever worked in stopping piracy...
    http://www.news.com.au/technol...

  19. First they came for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    EXACTLY.

    I am amazed at the number of people that think they can take free speech away from someone without destroying it for everyone.

    It's like they stopped teaching civics entirely.

    1. Re:First they came for... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      It's like they stopped teaching civics entirely.

      In 2001 to number was down to 34 States that still required passing civics in order to graduate high school. By 2012 the number was down to only 9 States that still required passing civics to graduate high school:

      Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, Texas, and Virginia

      So yes, essentially they did stop teaching civics entirely.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
  20. Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The counter protesters are EXACTLY as entitled to march as the protestors. Even in the same place. It's free speech for everyone. E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E.

    The only acceptable counter to free speech is MORE, BETTER free speech.

    Being outnumbered is not being censored. It is only showing you that you have a minority opinion.

    The alt reich carried guns and surrounded and intimidated groups of counter protestors, are you as willing to call that anti-first amendment action? Because that CLEARLY was with armed protesters isolating unarmed counter protestors...

    1. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      March, yes. Literally block and threaten people who just wish to support the First Amendment? NO!

      The "counter protesters" weren't there to provide an alternative viewpoint. They were there to shut down free speech. PERIOD.

      Keep in mind that neither rally was a "Nazi rally." The one in Charlottesville was about protecting history from left-wing attempts at rewriting it and the one in Boston was literally to support the First Amendment and celebrate the concept of free speech while bringing attention to the fact that it is currently under attack by the leftists in this country.

      Yes, the leftists are allowed to peacefully assemble. But that's not what happened. They are NOT allowed to block other people from simply exercising their rights to free speech, and certainly not allowed to actively threaten violence and attempt to provoke fights.

    2. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      The First Amendment only prohibits the government from imposing limits on speech. It says nothing about private citizens.

    3. Re: Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise that there are other laws against violence, threats, harassment, etc? No need to bring the first amendment into it.

    4. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      The First Amendment only prohibits the government from imposing limits on speech. It says nothing about private citizens.

      Fuck I’m glad to live where the constitutional feedom protections do not just apply to government but to everyone, including coporations

    5. Re: Uh, No. that's not how it works. by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I find it difficult to believe all the guys in Charlottesville with the Swastikas were celebrating US heritage. Pretty sure they were Nazis, but if you want to argue they were just Hindus that picked an unfortunate color scheme, and happened to get whipped into racially-tinged xenophobia by opportunist politicians, that seems the next most likely option.

    6. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      So by exercising their first amendment right to get in the way of liars, you claim they "shut down" free speech?
      All they did was keep you from having an audience where you wanted it!!

    7. Re: Uh, No. that's not how it works. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      And the only VIOLENCE was the attack on the black man with pipes BY NAZIS leading to a $3000 reward for information on the Nazi fuck who did the violence.
      you DO know about that, right?

    8. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Believe it or not, it's against the law for anyone to deprive another citizen of those same rights as well.

    9. Re: Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you joking? I saw plenty of footage. There were people from the UTR rally that were beaten and assaulted with weapons as well.

      Hell, the part you are referring to the black guy actually instigated the by striking first, then he tried to run away but was ganged up on by the nazis (or whatever they were). Not to say that they should have beaten him at all though, but the situation isn't that black and white (no pun intended).

    10. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not up to them whether someone has an audience. You are depriving all other citizens the option of whether they want to become part of that audience or not. You don't get to decide who hears what speech; that's up to each individual to decide what sort of speech they want to listen to. If you don't like it then you can just ignore it. Nobody is forcing you to attend their dumb little rally and listen to what they have to say.

    11. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1
      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    12. Re:Uh, No. that's not how it works. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Being outnumbered is not being censored. It is only showing you that you have a minority opinion.

      That would be fine and all if they hadn't assaulted the protesters unprovoked.

  21. The internet by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    Finds new ways around social media censorship and SJW bans.
    If the activist big brands want to remake the www, the internet will just find new services and methods of moving new content and data around.
    The more social media and big search engines ban words, thoughts, authors, publications, politics, reviews, comments, users, blasphemy, history, whistleblowers, cryptography the more people seek new networks that support freedom of speech.
    The users now have the bandwidth to move text around globally.
    Having to go to some portal on a 28.8 modem to get information to download is the past.
    People can publish their own content and text now. Then they will do video. Video content that does have a big brand SJW correcting search results.
    A new generation of search engines will search the net again for content rather than filter smaller sets of SJW approved content.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    1. Re:The internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a nazi. This is nazi content you're defending, not unpopular, not unconventional, not under-explored, NAZI. It's not speech. It's incitement to violence, a crime.

      Stop defending nazis or die with them. That's your choice.

    2. Re: The internet by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Nazi Nazi Nazi Reeeeeee! Nazinazi! NAZI!!!!1!!

      Damn, the 50 Cent Army is working overtime today.

    3. Re: The internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I understand that a meth habit is very expensive, that probably explains a lot at only 50 cents a post.

    4. Re:The internet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So asking that everyone can be heard is now a "nazi" point?

      That I get old enough to hear that "nazis" are now defending our right to speak... Have we arrived at nineteen-fourty-eight at last?

      War is Peace;
      Freedom is Slavery;
      Ignorance is Strength;

      Either that or I woke up in Bizarro world while I wasn't watching.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    5. Re:The internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its nineteen eighty-four and yeah, it does seem rather odd.

      I hope we can all agree that Nazis are bad, but censorship is also bad?

      Admittedly, the Nazis are only defending free speech because they are weak now, they'd gladly take it away again once they could ensure that it was THEIR speech that was the only one permitted.

    6. Re:The internet by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That I get old enough to hear that "nazis" are now defending our right to speak... Have we arrived at nineteen-fourty-eight at last?

      Remember all those speeches by social justice advocates trying to shut people down, deplatform people, censor political views over the last year? Been going on for at least a decade now. They've got their allies in feminists, and other fringe groups as well. Your UID is low enough that you're you're involved in the OSS community(or were), then you'll have seen it with the push of "codes of conduct" that they'll try to push through, which will include things like: Revoking ownership of a project, censoring access to a project if someone holds a politically unacceptable view(in their eyes), witch hunting on political views. Of course those CoC's only ever seem to fall one way. Remember donglegate? The shitflipping stupidity at mozilla over a private citizen supporting something? When github turned it's back on meritocracy?

      You can see it in current campus culture with "free speech" walls, restrictions, students demanding view points not be talked about, buildings being renamed because *insert reason here.* Screams that science, math, history, in western universities is "white, so should be removed." And the list just keeps going on and on.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    7. Re:The internet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      a) We can agree that Nazis are bad. Only a Nazi would consider Nazis good.
      b) Label everyone disagreeing with you "Nazi".
      c) It's easy to silence your opposition because nobody would want to defend Nazis.

      Works with everything. In the past it was Witches and Commies, the label du jour being Nazi.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re:The internet by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      A decade being maybe a bit much, but the bullshit level got really high in the past 3-4 years. I can easily speak, sitting in old Europe where people oddly are still way more sane (and currently way more occupied with immigrants to deal with other bullshit), but I do see the problem the US is hitting right now.

      In a really bizarre cooperation between religious nutjobs and SJWs they seem to have joined ranks in an attempt to destroy what's left of science in the US.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re:The internet by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I remember the forerunners of this stuff back in the 1990's, it's simply become more pervasive the last 3-4 years. But there was always an undercurrent. Many of the worst examples of deplatforming and so on in the last 3-4 years have been from European schools, debate clubs, and so on. The last year though has been very bad for the US and Canada.

      It's not really surprising. SJW's picked them as their own allies when they decided to pull the "muslim = racism" card and refuse to have any discussion on the need to deal with serious problems stemming from it. Not even touching on the cultural stuff. They're the same though as you noticed, that's simply because authoritarian is and authoritarian will be.

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
  22. Honeypot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever uses it is suspect.

  23. Re: Weep for Gilmore's Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Punch a "leftist" for Lenin!

  24. Re: Arrest by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Well the claim was arrest and not about going to trial.

  25. Equal opportunity employee by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I haven't worked for them directly, but I'd be happy to work for ether.

    1. Re:Equal opportunity employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a serious drug problem you've got there.

    2. Re:Equal opportunity employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't worked for them directly, but I'd be happy to work for ether.

      Hey, we all enjoy the occasional huff of cold, hard ether. It helps calm the nerves! But I much prefer my work be compensated in cold, hard cash.

  26. But what about "hate" speech? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will the Left cope if people who disagree with them are actually allowed to speak out against their policies? Oh, the humanity... This sounds like the best thing that has ever happened to the internet - a way to stop all the evil little LEFT wing censors. (Funny how they're always Left wing, isn't it...)

  27. Security through obscurity? by Suomi-Poika · · Score: 1

    TFA: "The user's circumvention software tags this innocuous request with a little extra data — basically a secret flag the censor can't see that says "Hey, I actually want this request to go somewhere else.""

    Secret flag? That sure sounds really a bullet proof method from the 80's. I'd like to know more details of it. It can't be fixed to anything, because investigating the packet payload is trivial and dropping all the unnecessary headers is also easy. Censors can see every byte you send, so hiding in the plain sight is difficult. Specially if the censors can install the same software, then run it side by side with regular web browser and just run "diff" between the two identical flows trying to access the same site. Not only they will discover where the user is going but who has that software installed.

    1. Re:Security through obscurity? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      The protocol works by piggybacking a TLS connection to an unblocked host and hiding data in the ciphertext ("chosen ciphertext steganography"). This hidden data is separately encrypted with the ISP's public key and invisible to everyone else, camouflaged within the regular ciphertext which also looks like random noise to anyone without the key. All the censors see is a standard TLS connection to a perfectly normal and uncontroversial web site. An active MitM interception (with TLS proxy certificates installed on the end-users' device) might be able to tell that the plaintext is gibberish, but still wouldn't be able to decode the hidden instructions intended for the "refracting" ISP.

      --
      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
  28. why this is terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as its able to uncensor , once its there you can easily retool for blooking and censorship

    the goal like hte early internet let em run a few years get everyone on board then pullthe plug when everyone cant not use it

  29. you'd not know a real nazi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you'd not know a real nazi if they had it stamped on your gay confused ,non gay, breasted, non breasted faggot head , with a penis in your hand mouth and ass

  30. Everyone in the USA has a right to free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: They're entitled to free speech allowed to U.S. citizenry & I may not agree w/ 'em but they have the right nevertheless... regardless of their views.

    * I hope you understand that now... & yes, whether you (or I) like it or not, they have that right. It's what makes the USA, in part, the greatest nation!

    (Yes, even nazi party members here in the USA do)\

    APK

    P.S.=> Mind you, you do NOT have to even listen to them OR you can conversely do your best to prove them wrong, via facts of course - you have the right to either course on YOUR part too... apk

    1. Re:Everyone in the USA has a right to free speech by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      No, their right to speech was not my point. My point was WTF happened to America that ended up divided against something that back in the day united the world. Anybody who takes this incident and spins it over A or B party talking points is taking a big DUMP over the graves of the people that fought the real Nazis, IMHO. All because both party followers cant accept that they fucked up. Grow up.

  31. It IS my point here though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & attempts @ dividing us are being orchestrated by George Soros funding groups like antifa/blm etc. https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-connection-between-charlottesville-soros-cia/

    APK

    P.S.=> That guy is the problem... apk