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UK.gov To Treat Online Abuse as Seriously as Hate Crime in Real Life (theregister.co.uk)
The UK's Crown Prosecution Service has pledged to tackle online abuse with the same seriousness as it does hate crimes committed in the flesh. From a report: Following public concern about the increasing amount of racist, anti-religious, homophobic and transphobic attacks on social media, the CPS has today published a new set of policy documents on hate crime. This includes revised legal guidance for prosecutors on how they should make decisions on criminal charges and handle cases in court. The rules officially put online abuse on the same level as offline hate crimes -- defined as an action motivated by hostility or prejudice -- like shouting abuse at someone face-to-face. They commit the CPS to prosecuting complaints about online material "with the same robust and proactive approach used with online offending." Prosecutors are told to consider the effect on the wider community and whether to identify both the originators and the "amplifiers or disseminators."
The above is now considered "hate speech." You get to go first.
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Turn off the computer.
Go outside.
It's only crybabies and bullies calling names. What happened to the island that once said 'here and no further' and stood alone against fascism? They're now cowering because someone used strong language.
Did someone put something in the water?
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Are you really publicly hating on people based on their political opinion?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
And by Nazis you mean anyone who disagrees with you, even just a little bit.
Violence begets violence. Remember that you condoned it when it happens to you or someone you care about. You have ceded the moral ground entirely, and are just another violent extremist.
Was this inspired by the Rust programming language community, by any chance? The Rust Code of Conduct and the Rust Moderation Team (which enforces the Rust Code of Conduct) both form the foundation of the Rust community, and have for some time.
It's all really quite odd. Despite claiming to be "committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, religion, or similar personal characteristic", in my opinion the Rust community is one of the least tolerant programming language communities I've ever seen. For example, it's absurd how they'll downvote you at Reddit or Hacker News, for instance, if you dare to express anything that might be considered criticism of Rust, no matter how slight.
This stuff coming out of the UK sounds a lot like the hypersensitivity we've seen from the Rust community.
All those hatin' on haters are haters.
People gonna hate.
People gonna hate haters.
People gonna hate haters hating.
People gonna hate haters hating haters.
ad-nauseum..
Huh? There's nothing wrong with using violence to get peace. Antifa and ISIS are good. CNN said so.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/...
Hate Crime
Is that a bellythinkful thoughtcrime?
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When did I miss the episode where hate speech and hate crime became synonyms ?
Are you really publicly hating on people based on their political opinion?
If someone says "I'm a Nazi, I directly support the policies of Hitler" then I have no problem hating on them.
Fair enough. Of course the vast majority of people being called Nazis currently do not meet that definition. They just happen to be anywhere to the right of what the Democratic party dogma.
And that's exactly what is not happening. The label "Nazi" is being issued by people trying to silence their opponents by slapping that label onto them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Political speech is protected in most places remember? You know what that means don't you? Yep, it's a two way street! The rules you use against someone else, will inevitably be used against you.
Ah, the good old days. Where people understood that freedom of speech means, you also have to defend distasteful and hateful speech. Not because you agree with it, but to protect your own.
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Very hard to pull off, Poe's law is in full effect.
Strange how it went from being a far right problem to being a far left problem. But I guess it's just an extremist problem altogether. There is no insane statement, claim or demand that would not be made by them, so making it in jest will be taken serious.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
By lumping all the people at the rally in with the Nazis who were also at the rally you're deliberately closing your eyes to important, pertinent facts. You are becoming as willfully ignorant as those you hate. Ignorant in precisely the same way. If X is with Y all X are Y.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
A MP from Labour had to step down because she wanted to have an uncomfortable conversation about incidents like Rotterham and then was forced to do the ritualized "so sorry, I'm such a racist, I'll go live in a secular convent while I do penance." All because she had the audacity to notice that apparently Rotterham is a large data point in a bigger trend.
Suppressing speech like this with force may make you feel noble, but it's not going to go away. Others will notice, others will talk. Eventually, the pendulum will swing back and the force it swings back on the smug, self-righteous inquisitors will be a function of how much force they put into the swing when it was on their side. The leaders celebrating this today could very well find themselves facing serious retribution.
Referring to a german as a nazi is no less of a racial insult than any other.
Holding nazi beliefs is no different to believing in a religion. It may seem stupid and irrational to the rest of us but those who believe it usually do so blindly and will "feel offended" if you question their beliefs.
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In the good ol' days, those same nazi's, fascists and authoritarians were also allowed to speak their garbage publicly. Until war broke out remember? Dust off a history book, you're arguing to ban/block speech because it's expedient. Hell the NYT even had glowing articles in the defense of not only nazi's but fascists, in those years.
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... they don't hate anyone - although you might think otherwise to hear or read some of their statements.
No, when governments kill individuals for resisting them, or millions for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, they don't do it out of hatred - or any emotion.
It's icy cold. Just business.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
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It's a political opinion when it's a political opinion...
If you voice your support for hitler, and your desire for all non aryans to be exterminated then that's an opinion.
If you actually try to implement that policy then it's more than an opinion.
Also you will see many countries which implement racist policies, for instance the education system in malaysia has a quota system controlling the number of available places based on your ethnicity. Many african countries also have active policies of handing resources traditionally held by whites over to black residents.
While these policies clearly don't go as far as the original nazis did, many of todays neo nazis also advocate watered down ideology which only promotes preferential treatment for aryans rather than the absolute extermination of anyone else.
It's only really in the west where nationalism is frowned upon, many other countries openly want to promote their own people and ideologies at the expense of others. Immigration is also largely a western issue, the number of people permanently migrating *to* other countries is relatively small and generally tightly controlled by the government.
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Nazi speech is not political, it is hate crime. And remember, while religions are protected - even muslim, yet, ISIS speech won't be protected.
And now we get to see how easy it is to label something a hate crime. "You said so." And now to restrict, to censor, to hide, to let it fester. To show people "yes, we really are being persecuted. Join us because we do have answers ye downtrodden!" Living in Canada and having seen "hate crime" law in action, where the CHRC(Canadian Human Rights Commission) manufactured evidence to go after political opponents, this is why the censoring of non-harmful speech is so dangerous. It's one of the reasons that Section 13 of the CHRC was revoked.
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Since when did being Neo-Nazi get downgraded to merely a "political opinion"?
Since the alt-left started calling people nazis over any deviation from feminism and identity politics.
Most people in germany during the 1930s were not nazis either...
They were normal, honest hard working german citizens living in a country that was falling apart and facing huge problems, where none of the established political parties were willing to do anything about it. So they voted for the only party that offered a solution, even if that solution wasn't ideal it was the only one they had.
Sound familiar? Because history is repeating itself... Society is rapidly falling apart and the only parties promising to do anything to help the average person are the extremeist ones.
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That is total bullshit. No one is saying every Republican is a Nazi.
Sorry, you are being too reasonable.
Plenty of the "Alt-Left" on Twitter think all Republicans are Nazis - there is even a hash tag - #RepublicansAreNazis
https://twitter.com/hashtag/RepublicansAreNazis?src=hash
And more besides the hash tag:
https://twitter.com/search?q=REPUBLICANS%20ARE%20NAZIS%20-not&src=typd
And a writer at The Guardian says Republicans do "the bidding of white supremacists"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/19/republican-party-white-supremacists-charlottesville
So, QED, your statement is untrue. Plenty call *all* Republicans Nazis.
True of the "right" as well. Useful thing to keep in mind when you're hating on the "right"....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Apart from some trolls most of the people using the term "nazi" were warning the right that there were actual Nazis in their midst. Then Charlottesville happened and suddenly it dawned on people that the warnings were justified, and that there were actual Nazis and KKK wizards among them.
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Not what the poster said cupcake. Leftists have lumped all people who are centrist or right of center as part of hate groups and Nazi sympathizers. Don't try to deny it. Hard left communist progressives had their say but not for much longer. The US is still a center right country and payback is hell. The media is not your friend and you don't have good representation in government now.
Everybody who was just okay with having Nazi flags around them was labeled a Nazi. Had half of the right wing crowd been telling the Nazis to fuck off, you might have a point, but I've seen no indication that that was the case.
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The people being called Nazis are, well, Nazis
MightyMartian is a Nazi rightfully being lumped in with their more vocal ideological neighbors.
See how easy this is? The more you challenge the assertion, the more you are a Nazi.
You are also stupid, hand-wringing piece of shit.
Yup. Too bad this is not what we're talking about now.
What happens now is that everyone who dares to be critical of full blown left wing rhetoric gets slapped with the NAZI! label.
50 years ago, anyone not doing the "USA fuck yeah!" dance was labeled COMMIE! The actors change, the strategy stays the same.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
When there is only two sides to choose from, and I don't want to choose the side that wants to silence those that disagree, you will end up with very, very odd bedfellows...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Defending freedom of speech and thought is so yesterday. Obviously, a police state and even more so, a totalitarian state is much preferable as there people will only behave well (as defined by the government) or else.
The stupidity and lack of understanding of history expressed in this is truly staggering. Apparently the fascists were not a historical accident, they are alive and well and can be found in the Government.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Very few people had Nazi flags in that protest,
So marching around carrying torches chanting Nazi slogans doesn't make you a Nazi. You're only a Nazi if you carry a flag. Got it.
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No, I'm a free speech absolutist, but I can support someone's right to free speech without supporting them or their particular marches. Many people at the rally crossed multiple state lines, so they probably weren't coming to just to support the free speech of Nazis, unless they were working for the ACLU.
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That's a cop-out. If someone doesn't want to be lumped in with the Nazi's then don't march with them, do a protest a different day.
Now sure, most republicans aren't Nazi's...but...some of the same Republicans condemning Nazis were quite willing to turn a blind eye to racism or use racist dog whistles over the years. Including practically every neo-confederate southerner in the Republican leadership.
Even back in 2008, many Republicans turned a blind eye or condoned the nativist "know nothing" elements of the "Tea party". The "tea party" basically being the "heralds" of the modern "alt-right"
(declining middle class / severe inequality / too much social change in a short span)
These things are inexorably linked due to the ideology behind them. There are, and has been for a couple thousand years, 2 competing ideologies. One where the State is the most important part of society, and the other (which the US is founded upon) that the individual is the most important part of society. The USA succeeded because of ideology enshrining the individual. Now that we have a mass of politicians pushing for (and obtaining to a large degree) socialist/communist programs we are getting what others who taut the Statist ideology get. A 2 class system with the Peons and the Government Elites.
Compare Locke to Marx, or Hegel, or Dewy, or Crowley. The latter 4 all tell you that the individual is nothing without the State, while the former tells you that the State is nothing without the individual. (Same lesson from Plato, Cicero, and to a large extent Aquinas and Luther). The far left ideology is where we get concepts like "The living Constitution", and yes "Socialized" programs from the Government. The State, and the few elites allowed to run the State are all powerful. Everyone else is simply a servant of the State. (See Socrates' Allegory of the Cave [unadulterated version])
Europe as a whole is just getting this by the bucket full. People are supposed to be afraid to push back and take control, that's part of the movement selling you Statism as a religion. People are supposed to be brain washed, because that is how you keep control. People are supposed to be poor if they are in the "wrong think" camp, because if you have money you can push back.
It's too late to continue to claim "it can't happen here", because it's been happening. The push now, and we see it in the US, is to try and turn back from the coming cliff. Let us see if you can prove Rand wrong, or if you all fall to communism.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The same slope you fell down. Anyone carrying a gun and threatening may still be shot. You seem to be promoting this against a single group based on your bias. What happens when your group happens to be the victim of someone else' bias?
I seem to remember a famous quote about this. Something along the lines of "First they came for the Socialists, but I was not a Socialist".... This is why we have History.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Let's play a game. You name a group and/or a prominent person, who did not endorse/vote for Hillary Clinton, and I'll find a group and/or a prominent person denouncing him/them as a "Nazi".
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And not just the occasional nut job feminist running a class on Gender Studies at your local community college. Show me a government agency using the label Nazi to directly attack an opponent. Bonus points if you can do it in the United States instead of Germany (who might just be a wee bit paranoid when it comes to Nazi's resurgence).
See, this is what gets me about the right. They're absolutely enraged that somebody with no power whatsoever (a professor, a low level bureaucrat, their postman) is a whackjob and somehow blitheringly unaware of the massive power exercised by billionaires, mega pastors and all of Wallstreet. I chalk it up to the fact that they can see their English teacher giving them a 'D' or the lady at the DMV who tells them that they need to fix their catalytic converter while the billionaire and his mega pastor friends who just screwed them out of a job, health care, clear air and water and education for their kids are far, far away...
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I think that Weird Al endorsed Bernie, but I'm not sure. I can't find anybody calling him a Nazi, although his song lyrics have referenced Nazis often enough that it complicates searching.
I like corner cases. Who has called Jill Stein, who almost certainly did not vote Democrat, a Nazi? I've found several nasty rants excoriating her, but nobody notable calling her a Nazi.
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You absolutely HAD TO ask, didn't you?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Re: "will other countries extradite citizens to face the music in the UK" Extradite would be difficult. Requesting a list of all UK users would then allow for UK users to be discovered in the UK.
A UK person living outside the UK using a VPN to comment on UK issues? Just ensure a return to the UK for any reason. The legal system will be waiting. Commonwealth nations and EU nations have agreements to support courts in the UK in many matters?
Finding a VPN that works in some nations could be an issue for UK users.
Once a site starts getting traction expect the UK courts and security services to start trying to collect all UK users ip's.
Different methods to make an average VPN covering an OS or browser show its UK ISP ip by requesting new connections a bit different to VPN supported http/https.
People without a VPN protecting their entire network could be discovered with a list of simple browser or application/OS supported networking requests.
Their UK isp ip would then be logged.
UK based CC payments to another nations VPN from within the UK would also be an issue to track if the status of using any type of VPN product in the UK was to change.
The main ability to detect an UK ip using a VPN service would be the legal agreements between the UK and the VPN nation.
The UK requests full international treaty support for a criminal facing many years in prison?
The VPN host nation could be obligated in their own nation to request the VPN to log the UK users given the nature of the request and any international/UK treaty they have to fully support.
For that full list of UK VPN account users the UK gov/mil would be very thankful to that nation.
Once that UK ISP and ip is found that user can be discovered in the UK.
The UK user lists will be extradited, discovered or logged.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Let's play a game. You name a group and/or a prominent person, who did not endorse/vote for Hillary Clinton, and I'll find a group and/or a prominent person denouncing him/them as a "Nazi".
Mike Pence ...
Mitch McConnell
John McCain
Mitt Romney
John Kasich
I mean, really ... I listen to an AM radio station ALL DAY, I know what stupid game you're playing. Every day it's New York Times said this, no good rotten failing New York Times said that, trying hard to be victims and beet pills.
And while they shot a lot of them, many others were not. My great uncle was drafted into the German army. Fortunately for me, his older brother, my grandfather, had immigrated to the U.S. before the war. I met this uncle back in the 80s when I got stationed there with the USAF. Speaking to his wife my great aunt, their first real interaction in the war was when the Americans invaded, and as the linked article points out, she didn't see what all the fuss was about, Germans were doing well under Hitler...this lead to some long discussions between us on who she thought was doing all the labor, and who were those people in Dachau. She at least seemed to finally comprehend the problem. Somehow, him and many others I came across between 80 and the fall of the wall, had avoided the bullet between the eyes.
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