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Cord-Cutting Still Doesn't Beat the Cable Bundle (wired.com)

I'd like to cut the cord, writes Brian Barrett for Wired, then, the very instant I allow myself to picture what life looks like after that figurative snip, my reverie comes crashing down. From an article: Cutting the cord is absolutely right for some people. Lots of people, maybe. But it's not that cheap, and it's not that easy, and there's not much hope of improvement on either front any time soon. Not to turn this into a math experiment, but let's consider cost. Assuming you're looking for a cord replacement, not abandoning live television altogether, you're going to need a service that bundles together a handful of channels and blips them to your house over the internet. The cheapest way you can accomplish this is to pay Sling TV $20 per month, for which you get 29 channels. That sounds not so bad, and certainly less than your cable bill. But! Sling Orange limits you to a single stream. If you're in a household with others, you'll probably want Sling Blue, which offers multiple streams and 43 channels for $25 per month. But! Sling Orange and Sling Blue have different channel lineups (ESPN is on Orange, not Blue, while Orange lacks FX, Bravo and any locals). For full coverage, you can subscribe to both for $40. But! Have kids? You'll want the Kids Extra package for another $5 per month. Love ESPNU? Grab that $5 per month sports package. HBO? $15 per month, please. Presto, you're up to $65 per month. But! Don't forget the extra $5 for a cloud-based DVR. Plus the high-speed internet service that you need to keep your stream from buffering, which, by the way, it'll do anyway. That's not to pick on Sling TV, specifically. But paying $70 to quit cable feels like smoking a pack of Parliaments to quit Marlboro Lights. You run into similar situations across the board, whether it's a higher base rate, or a limited premium selection, or the absence of local programming altogether. It turns out, oddly enough, that things cost money, whether you access those things through traditional cable packages or through a modem provided to you by a traditional cable operator.

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  1. Antenna is cheaper by Ken_g6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    For between $20-$50 up front, plus maybe a $20-$50 tuner, you can get several channels at no additional cost!

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    1. Re:Antenna is cheaper by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For between $20-$50 up front, plus maybe a $20-$50 tuner, you can get several channels at no additional cost!

      I get about 25 channels with my crummy $10 antenna in a window plugged into my television. If I paid for an rooftop antenna, I could probably get about 40 channels.

      Beware gentle readers, some television companies don't include a built-in tuner with their televisions anymore.

    2. Re:Antenna is cheaper by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      But what's the internet speed?

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    3. Re:Antenna is cheaper by ITRambo · · Score: 2

      What is this magic antenna you speak of? It's almost like TV was made to be broadcast over the air and received by antennas.

    4. Re:Antenna is cheaper by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Any TV manufacturer that advertises a television flat screen will include an ATSC tuner; that is required by federal advertising laws.

      A flat screen that does not have a built in ATSC tuner is a monitor or flat screen. They can be used to view "TV" programs, but that does not let vendors advertise them as TVs.

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    5. Re: Antenna is cheaper by saloomy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even so. Seems like a poorly researched article.

      Direct Tv Now starts at like $10 if you have AT&T Wireless, doesn't count against your data usage, and has like a hundred channels and add-on packages.

      Even if you don't have AT&T Wireless, it was available with their "go-big" package for $35 for life. They gave me an AppleTV just for signing up.

      With all the apps on that device, you absolutely don't need a cord unless as far as I can tell you have to watch sports.

    6. Re:Antenna is cheaper by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      $10/month with Netflix, plus a one time cost for Roku at $100. Instant savings. If I added both Amazon and Hulu it's a huge savings. I don't care about sports so if poeple want to pay another $100 a month to stick with cable/satellite just to get a few games, then that's their decision. You don't need FX either, any decent show is on Hulu or Netflix a year later, and it's not hard at all to wait a year to save $900 to $1000. And saving that money means you can also drop a lot of mediocre shows off your list as well, in return you get tons of other shows you can bing watch. Sure, you can buy the boxed DVD set of your favorite TV show from the eighties, or you can just binge watch it via streaming for a lot less money instead.

      If you've already got internet at moderate speeds (12kbps is good enough) then this is a no brainer.

    7. Re:Antenna is cheaper by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      About 35 miles outside of Seattle, and I get 56 channels with my roof top antenna here. Also, it is running through a HDHomeRun so a TV tuner on the TV itself doesn't even matter. With that box, it is a dual-tuner that'll stream the channels to just about any device on the network, including the media box on the TV, desktops, laptops, tablets, cell phones. This setup has been a dream ever since I installed it! ~$150 total for all of the hardware/wiring combined.

    8. Re: Antenna is cheaper by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Shitty compared to what? Comcast? Name a better company.

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    9. Re:Antenna is cheaper by jnork · · Score: 2

      Why does he need to lighten his antenna?

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  2. Disingenuous Comparison by Adambomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, the majority of people cutting the cord aren't looking to ensure a 1:1 replacement of all channels they may or may not have been watching previously, and the industry damn well knows it. A lot of people are perfectly happy with general internet news, available content on youtube, and maybe 1 or 2 streaming services (netflix, hulu, hbo go, amazon, etc).

    Given that people are unlikely to subscribe to cable but not internet, the cost of internet is a non-factor making cord cutting very reasonable to a huge number of people.

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    1. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This seems a lot like a 'But If I do this stupid thing, that isn't what everyone else is doing, it costs more!' piece. If you want the 300+ pointless channels, get cable tv. If you're only watching a few shows/channels, internet only is way cheaper. $50 for internet, + $15 for netflix, and then prime is $7.50 a month.. you're at 72.50 a month. $50 for internet, then another ~$60 for cable, and they want to 'save you money' by bundling in a home phone, that no one will use for another 10.. you're at $120, and you're still going to get netflix, cause you want the on-demand access that that provides too. So your choice is $72.50, maybe some OTA antennas if you need live tv. or $135.

      The choice is pretty easy for anyone that has even an inkling of technical knowledge, or financial interest.

    2. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by vux984 · · Score: 2

      "Seriously, the majority of people cutting the cord aren't looking to ensure a 1:1 replacement of all channels they may or may not have been watching previously,"

      EXACTLY THIS.

      People who want all the channels they currently have, in multiple rooms, with kids, and live new channels, and sports... aren't looking to 'cut the cord'... they want the cord.

      And it is also no surprise that replacing the cord... with another cord that does exactly the same thing costs as much as the original cord.

    3. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      False equivalence and strawman argument, yeah. "I get Netflix and watch the series I want to watch." "BUT! You don't get the CHANNELS!" "I only care about channels when they carry content I want; I'm just buying content now." "CHANNELS!!!!!!!"

      Soon, the TV stations will provide free streaming of their channels with ads built in. Go to http://foxbaltimore.com/ and watch Fox Baltimore live if you're into that. CSPAN and CNN have live streams, too, if you don't want to watch network programming but just network news.

      The great power of this model lies in the national advertising chain: if something happens in Baltimore, you can tune into WUTB or WBFF online and watch their news (and ads) to see Baltimore's local news. First-hand reporting right on the ground. You saw it on CNN first and you closed that tab and went straight to the source. Hell, you saw it on Reddit first and there was a friggin' link.

    4. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      For many people I think the boat anchor is live sports. For that group an antenna often serves the job, but there are others who are addicted to ESPN. They're not going to change. For people tired of the ESPN tax, cutting the cord is easy. I suspect most cable subscribers that don't watch sports, they don't realize how much of their bill goes to paying for ESPN.

      Also people should learn to do more with their time than just watch TV. For me, Netflix adds more stuff I really want to see than I have time to watch, but for others they run out of it fast because they don't do anything other than watch TV in their spare time.

    5. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      That's what happened when we cut cable two years ago. Time Warner Cable wanted to raise our cable TV+Internet rate from $87 a month to $115. When I asked for a better deal, they claimed this WAS the deal. Mind you, they weren't giving us anything extra - in fact, we'd have had less features. The nearly $30 price increase led us to cut the cord. Our Internet cost went to $35 a month. The rest was savings.

      Now, we were already subscribed to Netflix and Amazon Prime. (The latter mostly for shipping, but music and movies were a good perk.) Those were a wash. We'd have remained subscribed regardless of the cable situation. We signed up for Hulu and bought some antennas. Even with some other equipment/DVD purchases, we're up over $2,100 since cutting the cord.

      Are we getting EVERYTHING we'd have if we still had cable? Of course not, but 99.999% of what's on cable we either didn't care about at all or was "background noise" shows. Since cutting the cord, we've found shows on Netflix/Amazon/Hulu to watch. We've also found some good local stations (LAFF shows Night Court, Rosanne, etc.) and we borrowed DVDs from our local library. My kids were first upset about the loss of Disney Channel and Cartoon Network, but have since learned to love shows from streaming services as well as YouTube videos. (My 14 year old son loves Minecraft videos on YouTube and will watch them all day if given the chance.)

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    6. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by DuckDodgers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plus:

      1. Cable television brochures lie worse than politicians, and everyone knows it. That "Bundle that adds television service for just $10 more than you're paying for internet" doesn't include the $7 regional channel fee, $5 regional sports fee, $7 monthly equipment rental, $9 monthly DVR network service fee, two year contract with a $30 price jump after the first year, and $5 charge applied to customers that handle their own billing instead of providing the vendor with their banking information so they can use auto-billing. You're actually adding $58 per month across the two years to your bill, not $10. Netflix et al don't lie on their price advertising like that.

      2. Most of these customers are going to have internet, Netflix, and Amazon Prime anyway.

    7. Re:Disingenuous Comparison by stinerman · · Score: 2

      You forgot #3.

      I'll pay more just to spite the cable companies because I hate them so much.

  3. Assuming you're looking for a cord replacement... by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bad assumption.

    We bought cable as part of a bundle with Internet access when we moved two years ago. We've never used it - not even once. Next house we won't bother, no matter how cheap it is. Lifestyles change.

    Broadcast TV was always annoying, and gradually better forms of entertainment have emerged.

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  4. Add in splintering by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The success of Netflix has led to competition in the on-demand game, and the recent Disney defection from the Netflix umbrella likely an indication of an increase in on-demand providers.

    Right now, you can still bundle Netflix with Amazon Prime and an HBO subscription to get a good bit of the market for a reasonable monthly outlay, but as industry watchdogs have suggested, Netflix only works if there aren't too many Netflix-type providers bidding for content.

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  5. Weird reasoning by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That looks like Cable Company Math, talking about the number of channels per dollar.

    That doesn't at all reflect what I've observed people doing when they cut the cord. Most of the time, they realize that they may have a hundred channels for their money, but they only watch two or three of them (and usually only a couple of shows on each).

    On a per show cost, for those people, cable is crazy expensive, and it's really easy to bring that number down.

  6. Cord replacement != cord cutting by DaveyJJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Assuming you're looking for a cord replacement, not abandoning live television altogether ..."

    How'd we go from a title that talks about cord-cutting, to one about replacing the cable with just another form of getting the same crap?

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    1. Re:Cord replacement != cord cutting by green1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because this is the way the cable industry thinks. When I called my local cable company 17 years ago and told them to discontinue my cable service, and after all the back and forth about how I simply didn't want it and wasn't watching it, and after they finally agreed to disconnect me, their final words for me were "see you in a couple of months". The person on the other end of the phone just simply couldn't grasp the concept of a person without cable.

      That attitude hasn't changed. It's not that they're trying to trick you here, they honestly just don't understand the concept. This is also why people are cutting the cord, because the cable industry doesn't understand their needs. The fact that they cling to the concept of airing shows at a certain time on a certain day and not just adding them to the VOD library at that time, the fact that they cling to channel packages instead of lone channels, the limitations on viewing on specific devices in specific locations. All of these things show that they just simply don't understand their customer base.

      This "article" is just a shill for the cable companies trying to convince people not to cut the cord, but as usual, they've just shown how little they understand about what people actually want.

    2. Re:Cord replacement != cord cutting by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      the fact that they cling to channel packages instead of lone channels

      To be fair to the horrific hellspawn that are cable companies, packages are a requirement placed upon them from the content providers. That's the only way the content providers can get most of their channels into homes.

      ESPN says to the cable company, "if you want ESPN you have to bundle it with ESPN27 that shows nothing but Albanian thumb wrestling". ESPN is critical for the cable companies, so they accept the bundle demand.

  7. Do you need all of those channels? by hawguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you really need all of those channels? When I canceled my cable, I switched to over-the-air networks (for free), and Netflix + Amazon Prime (which is effectively free since I'd have prime even without the streaming).

    If you want the same set of channels you had with cable, it stands to reason that it's not going to be cheaper.

    I've found more than enough to distract me without cable, I don't need to replicate it with streaming.

    1. Re:Do you need all of those channels? by e3m4n · · Score: 2

      Exactly. I dont give two retarded shits about toddlers & Tiera's, the bachelor(ette), people fighting over abandoned storage rentals, pawn shops, or any other fucktarded reality show. I refuse to pay these fucktard's salary. Wonder why the fuck these assholes make $10,000 per episode? Because cable subscribers are FORCED to pay their salary, even if they don't agree with it. I would rather pay MORE and get LESS for the mere pleasure of putting that Fat PIG of a mom (honey boobo) out of a fucking job. Thats how much I cant stand the very concept of that crotch-rotten, Tasmanian, gutter-slut. I pay for sling just to get AMC because I cant just buy AMC by itself. The only thing we really needed was walking dead. Sure my wife watches that stupid fixup home shows but it wasnt a must-have.

        I already have Amazon Prime (have had it since 2000) because I buy a lot of shit on amazon and love the free shipping, the music streaming isnt too bad either. Therefore I do not include this as an expense. I pay for Netflix for kids to have a lot of cartoons, and Hulu to keep up with most shows we watch. CBS is another matter, no way they're worth their own streaming subscription. But the wife is obsessed with Blue Bloods (don't ask). So I own a Silicon Dust HDHomerun box and my Plex server DVRs my Over The Air shows to watch when I have time. Does this in theory cost more than cable? Maybe, if you only compare their first 12mo introductory rate not their time-to-screw-you rate they hit you with later.

      Without a DVR (something cable wants another $15/mo for) cable is pretty much dead. Very few people make time to be a slave to the clock and watch their shows as they air. In our house its only walking dead shows that we watch as they air. Everything else I either DVR or catch the next day on Hulu.

  8. Why pay for anything? by Megane · · Score: 2

    You could, you know, just watch what's on the antenna for free? The only thing I normally watch that isn't on the antenna is current anime from Japan. (The current season is actually one of the best in years. It's just not big enough of a business for anyone to care about people torrenting that shit.)

    Really, the only good reason to still have cable is because of live sports, which some of us can live without.

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  9. Re:Not anymore by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Also forgot to mention we often hit the library to borrow seasons of shows and movies, and of course trade with friends and family. Pretty good and low budget.

  10. Misses a big point to cable cutting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think this whole article misses the point that many cord cutters enjoy saving money, but more importantly they enjoy minimizing dealing with cable companies. Sometimes it is not about just money.

  11. This one easy trick will save you 100% by werepants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just stop watching TV and you save the full bill. Seriously, cable cutters aren't doing it because they are getting an equivalent service for cheaper - they are opting out of some or all of the service because they don't see value in it. In fact, I would say cable provides negative value for many people, because it's time that could be better spent doing something a lot more rewarding. Seriously, when was the last time that you spent an evening flipping through channels on cable and felt like it was a worthwhile use of time?

    1. Re:This one easy trick will save you 100% by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      When I get home after 11 hours work + commute, I don't want a worthwhile use of time. I want to flop in my chair. Maybe I watch Fox News and yell at the host. Maybe I futz around online. Or, maybe I watch *gasp* a TV show.

      I do think I'll eventually cut the cord. I'm not many price-increases away from deciding the shows I can't get on Netflix or Hulu aren't worth the price of Time-Spectrum. Besides, it works both ways. There's a lot of shows on the streaming services that aren't currently on regular TV.

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    2. Re:This one easy trick will save you 100% by werepants · · Score: 2

      When I get home after 11 hours work + commute, I don't want a worthwhile use of time. I want to flop in my chair.

      I understand the impulse, but honestly, ever since I was a kid I've always felt this sense of waste after spending hours flipping through channels watching reruns of shows that I barely like in between commercials that I really hate. Why not try ditching it for a while to see what happens? It's not like you have to take up high intensity non-Euclidean basket weaving in its place. Read a book or argue on Slashdot or get some extra sleep or sit on the porch for a beer or three.

  12. free corn syrup by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Having a lot of mind rotting time filling trash in easy reach leads to compulsive rather then deliberative TV watching. Pay as you go has the important psychological benefit of me thinking to myself do I really want to pay $4.99 to watch that movie? This brings to mind that I'm also paying with my lost time. Sometimes the answer is yes but sometimes it's no. And it's often "No" in cases where had I already paid to see (via the cable bill) I probably would have just tried to get my money's worth rather than go outside and listen to the birds and stare at trees.

    It's like if soda's were free and plumbed to your house and all the junk food machines were free too. How often would you skip going to the corner store for some veggies and just take the free corn syrup.

    Cord cutting leads to consuming better not just replacing one bundle with another. It isn't about saving money and the fact that it costs "more" ends up costing you less of your time wasted.

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  13. Bad habit. by Thanatiel · · Score: 2

    The problem depicted in this post is that some people consider having so many channels like a need.

    Netflix OR HBO OR [put any other service here] has plenty of content by itself, especially in the US.
    As a bonus some of these services do not infect your mind with advertising (one could consider this an aggression)

    There is not enough time on a day to watch everything except of course if one has nothing better to do all day.

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  14. Not a valid comparison by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Us cord cutters aren't looking to retain all the crap we weren't watching anyway, so the article seems kinda moot.

    To those of you thinking about cutting the cord, let me give you some advice; you don't need to waste your days glued to the TV. You can actually, you know, go outside if you're bored.

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    1. Re:Not a valid comparison by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can actually, you know, go outside if you're bored.

      No, thank you.

      I decided to finally try that, earlier today. I stepped outside, but the sun got really dark... it was pretty scary. It was obviously a sign I should hightail it back to the safety of my couch.

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    2. Re:Not a valid comparison by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

      That's what you get for getting up before noon.

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  15. Re:It's worse than that. by magarity · · Score: 2

    My bill from Comcast is $49/mo for internet only. Your assertion varies wildly by location.

  16. Sling Isn't the Only Option by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

    Sling can add up, sure, but Hulu Live is in beta and looks to provide a better package.
    And both Sling and Hulu offer
      free trials so you can see whether it works out for you, and
      no contracts, so you can start and quit whenever you want, and
      no cable box rental fees - just use your PC, phone, or get a Roku-type for your TV.

    Cable TV still seems lousy to me.

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  17. Alternative: stop rotting brain by cerberusss · · Score: 2

    How about the alternative: stop rotting your brain and just reading a book?

    Shocking, I know.

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  18. Re:Show me how... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Who wants ESPN? In fact, most cable providers are realizing the majority of consumers don't want ESPN.

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  19. Inventives by farble1670 · · Score: 2

    What TFA left out was cable companies playing with the numbers to make their TV look cheaper. Want fast internet? That's $90. But for only $30 more you can have 50 channels!

    Pretty slick deal. By lowering TV, and raising internet, they keep their profits the same but make it financially impractical to go outside for your TV.

  20. Subscription != One Time Cost by zarmanto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a cord-cutter who has quite happily used an internet-only service provider, alongside a standard antenna for access to broadcast television... I would absolutely never consider a fully blown out cable package for my own use. I mean, sure... the author's math sounds mildly interesting and all, but let's glance at the math required to replicate something like my own setup, for comparison:

    * Antenna in the attic or on the roof - one time cost of $30 to $100 or so
    * A couple of Hauppauge USB television tuners - one time cost of $50 to $150 or so each
    * A home theater computer capable of recording shows from those tuners - one time cost of $400 to $3000 or so (it's a computer... you can pretty much pick your price)
    * Your preferred media streaming receiver(s), to allow you to stream from your HTPC out to any other TVs in your house over your LAN - one time cost of $40 to $200 or so each

    Are you sensing the theme here? No matter how cheap your cable subscription is, it's only a matter of time before my own one time cost setup -- much of which I'd have bought anyway -- saves me money.

    "But it's not one-to-one! You're missing out on sports channels and HBO and SyFy!"

    Yup: all true. And honestly, I'm no worse off for it, either.

  21. Not sure by nospam007 · · Score: 2

    I got the VPN+uTorrent bundle and I'm OK.
    I'll perhaps go legit when it gets just as easy.

  22. I cut the cord years ago by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    with the exception of one TV show that pre-dated my cord cutting. South Park. Long story short if you give up watching TV cord cutting is effective.

    The only streaming service I had for quite a while was Amazon, not that I used it often, but because it came with Prime which I had for shipping. Technically during that era I had a dozen or so TV channels with the absolute bare minimum cable that came with the Internet connection, but considering I didn't even have the cable box plugged in most of the I didn't count it. I think half of those channels were in languages I didn't speak.

    Then I got married. My wife brought her Netflix account along and South Park now requires Hulu to watch properly, all in all I've given a lot of time to evaluating the various streaming services over the past few years. That, and I'm watching TV shows again. My findings:

    1. Netflix is where it is at. The best software for game consoles, the best interface, the best in reliability, and a great selection and the best originals.

    2. Hulu is a reasonable substitute with a few alright original shows. They pissed me off early on because nearly everything I wanted to watch gave me a message about not being able to use my TV to watch it and they had commercials even if you paid. Those issues are a thing of the past, but I actually canceled my free trial account early over those issues early on. Again, my wife brought along an account so I gave it another shot. We got the more expensive no commercials tier which is now available and it's better than it was. We have problems with it dropping out occasionally like it just can't make due to lack of bandwidth. She likes to have Hulu around because apparently the best yoga videos are on there. We aren't paying for it right now - I think the plan is to pay for it during South Park season and let it go otherwise.

    3. Amazon Prime. The interface is crappy - it's written for a 1080p widescreen and even if you're using an original Wii that didn't do 1080 or you're using a Playstation 3 in SD mode it is hard-coded to wide screen. You can't read hardly any of the text on an SD screen due to the crappy interface. Even when using a 1080 screen the interface - regardless of console - feels constrained and a little unintuitive. They have some reasonably good shows, not that I watch them. My coworkers have raved about how great The Man in the High Castle is. I'll go ahead and believe them, I don't have time for another show. That being said I'm going to make sure I watch The Tick. Their selection is reasonable at times, but feels lacking most of the time. The poor arrangement of their interface and their tactics of only giving one season free etc... Is all geared around getting you to shell out extra money. Used to all the Prime stuff was in one bucket, but they're beginning to introduce new buckets. Almost like they're cable and they want you to pay for the Horror channel now. I know for a fact some of the shows that were in the general bucket in the past were pulled out and put into the new specialized buckets. The juries still out on this being a good idea or not. I'm not messing with it for one, I can't stand using their software on my consoles because it's so crappy, I can't bring myself to care about their add-on buckets.

    So, even though I don't give a rats ass about live TV at all I have lots of family that really wants local channels and channels in general. I've given a serious look at Playstation Vue but haven't subscribed, because as I said, I don't care about channels. I think if I were to have either of my parents/either of my parent in laws, or my grandmother move into me for whatever reason I would seriously consider at least giving Playstation Vue a go. It's cheaper than cable.

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    1. Re:I cut the cord years ago by e3m4n · · Score: 2

      Amazon prime looks fine on the FireTV (it better right?) and Roku devices. I'd find it difficult to believe the only streaming box anybody has is on a old Wii. I haven't seen the Fire stick in action (being a diminutive processor compared to the fireTV), but then again its $30 and I'm sure they made the amazon prime interface look good. I know some people just use their PC to watch this stuff, but for me sound is everything. I spent a lot of work building my 7.1 surround system a while back, and I really want to hear the shows in full surround as intended.

    2. Re:I cut the cord years ago by pecosdave · · Score: 2

      I'm a divorced man in Texas. I'm in court-ordered near poverty so I don't keep up on game consoles - yes I have a good above average income for where I live, I'm just not allowed to keep it. I do have PC's of various era's, the fact none of the providers makes a good interface that can be controlled by simple keyboard arrows is not my fault. My well-used when I bought it PS3 is my preferred way to access these things, but the Wii is still in use. Yes I still want a WiiU even though it's pretty much out.

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  23. Re:Costs the same by e3m4n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you should downgrade your connection. The only thing you're getting at 150mbps is your speed test. The damn equipment has a SFP (not SFP+) port in it which means the 48 other customers are ALSO bottle-necked by the same 1gig uplink. Even 4k streaming only consumes 10-15Mbps. Thats still 4 simultaneous 4k streams at one time. Do you actually own 4 separate 4k screens and simultaneously watch actual 4k content on all 4 screens? Spectrum is doing 60Mbps for around $50/mo

  24. You're Doing It Wrong by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If what you want is cable, get cable. Don't expect to be able to replace cable with "internet" cable and save money.

    You cut the cable when you are no longer interested in very many TV shows, and cable no longer fits with your media consumption habits.

    If you watch regular TV shows all the time, like ESPN, Bravo, FX, HBO, etc., then what you want is a cable package. That's what they excel at. Get a whole bunch of shows produced for the masses*, you're just not going to beat the mass market model that is cable TV.

    However a lot of people no longer fit that mold. In my case for example, I have a ~$60 cable package for literally one show that my roommate likes to watch. He's moving out, so I'm dropping cable completely, because 99% of my media consumption has nothing at all to do with Hollywood. I'm only interested in a handful of shows, and I'm more likely to look up sports clips than I am to sit down and watch ESPN, so I can drop the $60 a month cable bill and just spend $100 a year on full seasons of shows I like instead. There just aren't that many of them.

    But if my nightly habit were to sit down in front of a TV and watch a couple hours of TV, then cutting cable is almost certainly not going to be better in almost any way.

    *I'm not disparaging shows produced for the masses. That's how they can afford to create large amounts of high quality content. It's just economics.

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  25. Article assumes too much by Nick · · Score: 2

    Cut the cord years ago. We use an antenna and receive about 60 channels. It was a $10 one-time investment. We recently discovered (a probably still ongoing) coupon code on Slick Deals last week for one month trial (auto-renew of course) DirectTV streaming service. We now have 70 live channels on that Roku app. We've watched it maybe three times in the week and just get entirely overwhelmed. Granted, we live in a large metropolitan area with lots of stations broadcasting nearby, and we only really watch the stations that play the "classic" TV shows (oldies and ones running during fellow Gen-Xers' childhoods) and mostly watch one of 5 PBS stations anyway. But still, looking at all these channels and knowing you can only watch one at a time seems like such a huge waste. This package would be like $80/month or so - no way we're going to let it auto-renew.

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  26. "Need" by Pascoea · · Score: 2

    you're going to need

    Let me stop you there. You don't NEED any of those.