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Bricklaying Robots and Exoskeletons Are the Future of the Construction Industry (vice.com)

David Silverberg reports via Motherboard: One of the most staid and digitally conservative industries is on the verge of a robotic makeover. The global construction space isn't known for ushering new tech into their workforce, but a painful labour shortage, calls for increased worker safety and more low-cost housing, and the need to catch up to other tech-savvy sectors is giving upstarts in robotics and exoskeletons their big moment. The construction industry isn't immune to this phenomenon, but robots and humans may increasingly work hand-in-hand in industrial sectors, according to Brian Turmail, senior executive director of public affairs at the Associated General Contractors of America. This is especially true when the construction industry en masse uses exoskeleton vests, which aim to assist workers with heavy loads and thus reduce their risk of injury.

The Hadrian X is a bricklaying robot courtesy Australia's Fastbrick Robotics, which uses its 30-meter metal arm to lay bricks at a rate of 1,000 bricks per hour, compared to a human worker's average of 1,000 a day. Due for release in late 2017, Hadrian X can read a 3D CAD model of the house and then it follows those instructions precisely, working day and night. New York-based Construction Robotics has also developed its take on a bricklaying robot. SAM can lay 3,000 bricks a day, and the company said it's about time this industry got a whiff of the change almost every other market has been seeing.

228 comments

  1. uncle SAM is lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3000 per day. While his Australian cousin lays 24000 per day.

    1. Re:uncle SAM is lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You gotta build the Australian houses faster to keep out the poisonous snakes, poisonous scorpions, poisonous frogs, poisonous platypuses, Tasmanian Devils, and fire tornadoes.

    2. Re:uncle SAM is lazy by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      His Australian cousin also uses 5 to 10 times as many bricks per sq foot of wall.

    3. Re:uncle SAM is lazy by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I thinking the Aussies can adjust for different bricks. My thinking goes to, "what if the furthest wall is 1 meter from the max reach of the crane?"

    4. Re:uncle SAM is lazy by uncqual · · Score: 1

      Wait for the 2019 model with a longer reach or move the truck?

      In the short/mid term, on large jobs where this is likely to be most economical, access is likely to be less of a problem (although some jobs like building freeway sound walls on existing freeways might be a problem as they generally avoid shutting down the right lane/shoulder of the freeway during the brick laying process and the access for a truck is often limited by terrain). This machine will be expensive to run -- in part because of its capital cost, in part due to maintenance. It will also require fairly highly educated and trained (i.e., expensive) workers to manage it. Moving from small job to small job would entail quite a bit of expensive down time for man and machine.

      The video seems to show all the walls being built concurrently (i.e., all walls get one more course of brick before any get the next course), but I can't think of a technical reason that's a requirement so the truck may be able to sit on a location that later will have a wall built on it (depending on the load bearing capabilities of the slab shown).

      However, being in an earthquake prone area, I think I'll might wait until they come out with a version that puts mortar between the bricks and some rebar/concrete inside the cavities :)

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    5. Re:uncle SAM is lazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hadrian X demo video is computer generated plus uses an uncertified construction technique. In Australia brick walls are only facades and they have to be tied to the house's framework at regular intervals to prevent fallovers. This naturally implies that the house frame has to be built before the brick walls. In the demo video there is no framework and the brick walls are free-standing so this could not be certified as a livable dwelling.

  2. Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ain't afraid of Virginia Woolfe.

    1. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      A building made of bricks lasts much longer than a structure made out of dead trees.

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    2. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      Surely 3D Printed buildings are where the next big thing is in construction

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    3. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Already have those.... It makes houses out of a concrete mixture, 2" at a time.

    4. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, sure it does. Try that brick building in the land of earthquakes. They fall down. Rather spectacularly too.

      Back on topic, construction changed several years ago so that English is no longer spoken on the job site except by the foreman (who needs to speak both Spanish and English so he can both direct the crew and also do walk-throughs with the folks buying the houses). It was weird how fast that happened too. I guess that was one step towards lower costs. Now the robots will be putting some of these folks out of work too. I wonder what kind of music the robots will listen to while working?

    5. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wonder what kind of music the robots will listen to while working?

      Industrial. Android Lust, Front Line Assembly, Machines of Loving Grace. Except for that one robot that always wants to hear some Skynyrd.

    6. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      A building made of bricks lasts much longer than a structure made out of dead trees.

      Unless you live in an earthquake zone. In an earthquake, wood frame buildings sway. Brick buildings fall down.

      In the SF Bay Area, brick construction is banned. If you see a brick building, it is mostly likely a fake facade on a wood or steel frame.

    7. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      I did not know that. Thank you.

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    8. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by uncqual · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure construction using CMUs (which are just "bricks" by another name from the perspective of a brick layer), with rebar in cavities and concrete fill around the rebar, is allowed in the Bay Area in many applications. If not, there must be a lot of blind building inspectors around.

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    9. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure construction using CMU

      I don't think so. You might get permission to build a tool shed or garage, but not a residential or commercial building, especially if multi-story. In SF, 95% of all building permits are rejected, so they are looking for any reason to deny, deny, deny. Other Bay Area cities aren't much better.

      If not, there must be a lot of blind building inspectors around.

      Can you cite any building in the Bay Area built using CMUs in the last 25 years?

    10. Re: Why would I build my house out of bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In SF, 95% of all building permits are rejected, so they are looking for any reason to deny, deny, deny.

      Good for them, I'm lucky if I can find a house that wasn't built with more violations than I care to count.

    11. Re:Why would I build my house out of bricks? by uncqual · · Score: 1

      For example... A new retail CVS pharmacy with about 15,000 sq ft is being constructed at 1804 Saratoga Ave San Jose, CA. The exterior walls of the main structure are constructed with reinforced CMU and are about 28' high. The CMU will probably be covered w/facade material (mostly stucco and brick veneers) soon, so look quick!

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  3. "a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    a painful labour shortage

    There's no shortage of workers. There are lots of people around who'd be willing to do this work. It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work. Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

    1. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to post all this.

    2. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, there is a surplus of workers who believe their labour is worth more than it really is. That's the real problem and it is being rectified.

    3. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, there is a surplus of workers who believe their labour is worth more than it really is. That's the real problem and it is being rectified.

      Quit picking on the CEO's.

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    4. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not entirely true; once you weed out the illegals and the people who can't pass a drug test, there's hardly anyone left.

    5. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but they don't weed out the illegals, they tend to hire them over the locals anyway.

      at least in the USA.

    6. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Troll

      There is a shortage of workers that the employees are willing to higher.

      While politicians want to make the narrative of the hard working American who does their job every day, and comes home to a loving family.
      The truth especially for people who work construction. While they are a lot good workers, there are a bunch of Drop outs, more interested in getting drunk and/or taking drugs. Who party themselves sick and don't reliably show up to work. And when they are on the job, they just goof off and put in a half hearted effort, while the older guy is doing the bulk of the work.
      Employers are having a hard time find people who can pass a drug test, and be reliable to show up to work and put in a full days worth of work, and not rob the company or their customers blind.

      Even if there are a mountain of people who are asking for a job, they won't keep their jobs if they are unwilling to earn their money. In short the Employee needs to be worth more to the organization then what they are getting paid. Sounds like I am being an evil capitalist, but the fact is, if you worth equal or less then your value there is no need for you are you are not beneficial.

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    7. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work. Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      Well, sort of. If the employee overhead (wages, taxes, etc) plus other costs add up to more than they can reasonably sell the product (house/building/etc) for, then either of the following happens:
      1) corners are cut
      2) the project is scaled back in size, scope, or features
      3) the price skyrockets to match costs+previously promised returns on investment
      4) the project is abandoned (this happens a lot more than you think, especially on larger construction gigs.)

      Now, if someone coughs up a robot that can do the job of 8-10 men (assuming an 8-10-hr workday), and it amortizes at a lower cost per day/project/etc than hiring those 8-10 men would cost, (and even better, it's amortized so the costs are predictable and somewhat a known constant), then guess who gets told to not come to work the next day?

      This is similar to the argument McDonalds is making by replacing $15/hr-demanding burger flippers with machines.

      The TL;DR is this: Look at all sides of the equation, and don't just make a lame argument about how wage hikes will somehow miraculously solve all the labor problems being faced in the construction industry.

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    8. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      There is a shortage of workers that the employees are willing to higher.

      Fortunately, the ability to spell "hire" isn't one of the requirements for the job....

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    9. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Within a capitalist economy, their labor is worth whatever it may cost to lure them into doing the job.

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    10. Re: "a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I'm losing an argument, I too like to find a grammar mistake and make the discussion about that instead. Diversion for the win!

    11. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by butchersong · · Score: 1

      It seems like you could easily end up in a chicken and egg argument there. Crime and drug usage correlation pretty strongly to family environment and if you suppress wages for a couple generations with welfare state as the background, you could argue that the inevitable result is be a bunch of messed up young men.

    12. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Within a capitalist economy, their labor is worth whatever management is willing to pay them to do the job.

    13. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      There's no shortage of workers. There are lots of people around who'd be willing to do this work. It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work. Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      I think you're blaming the evil corporations when that's not really the case. A shortage of labor is a shortage of people willing to work at the market rate - that's a bad choice of words but if you accept that it will get you over the first bottleneck in understanding this issue.

      Next up, that rate is determine by what people will pay, outside of government work everyone has a budget to stick to - that means the guy paying for a building has constraints which don't allow new construction at the rate people want to be paid for it, so it either doesn't get done or there is some give. Basic economics, supply vs demand, but there is a basis to both sides beyond the theory of it - the supply (labor) wants all they can get and the demand (client) wants all they can get, for the former that's a direct translation to wealth and for the latter it's a budgetary constraint saying how much they can build for x amount.

      Now for the actual issue. We live in a debt-based economic system with runaway inflation of about 2.5% compounding annually. This means the dollars you get are worth less, but more insidiously it means changes to adapt to the lower dollar value over time have their own propagation delay through the economic network. Both of these have one net effect: the government gains more spending power (yes, they get more spending power than the inflation alone because that increased labor pool plus their willingness to pay at the prior market rate means more supply to choose from.)

      To fix labor issues you have to first fix the government's out of control spending habits, this is why Trump was elected and why every globalist shill on the planet despises him.

    14. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Amazing that the two of you think you said something different.

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    15. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      And how much would you have to charge for a new starter home? Would that price be beyond the budget of most first time aspiring homebuyers?

      The definition of a "proper wage" has always been competition between how much buyers are willing to pay for the final product and how much suppliers are willing to sell their goods/labor. You can't just point at one side and way "raise the wage" without explaining why buyers are going to pay more and what impact that will have on them. At least for me, keeping the barriers to homeownership low seems like a very worthy social goal, one that needs to be balanced against all the other worthy goals we have.

    16. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      And the flow of credit to pay those workers is also drying up.

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    17. Re: "a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by PPH · · Score: 2

      I too like to find a grammar mistake

      There is a robot that can do that job.

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    18. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, this sub-Trump stuff is tedious.

    19. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just a way to take accountability from the worker. There are enough people who get paid low wages and are reliable and productive to prove that personal choice is a prime element of the matter. Yes, family environment is prime element as well, it is sad that some people don't even hold themselves accountable as parents and they have plenty of people telling them its not their fault or responsibility because society isn't giving them enough.

    20. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A shortage of labor is a shortage of people willing to work at the market rate

      The market rate reflects also what people are willing to work for. In the construction industry, we have enough low paid immigrants to keep wages depressed and reduce the desirability of those jobs. This is the result of years of unchecked immigration that we, both parties, have allowed to dominate these labor markets.

    21. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      suppress wages

      Suppress wages? I guess it depends on the trade and area in question. In the Upper Midwest a Journeyman Boilermaker, Pipefitter, Electrician, or Carpenter (The industrial/scaffolding kind, don't personally know about the house-building kind) can bring home $80-100K a year. Apprentices generally start at around 65% of that. Granted, it's super hard work and a lot of people don't cut it, but you can't say $100k a year is a "Suppressed wage".

    22. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      A journeyman bricklayer makes ~$35/hour W2 in Los Angeles, and there is a shortage. They can easily get 25% overtime at 1.5x. Most low-rise residential and all single family homes would be non-union labor closer to $15-18/hour W2 with lower benefits.

      The real shortage in California specifically is in electricians, who make $50-65/hour (journeyman), and could easily make $130-150k with overtime.

    23. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Immerman · · Score: 2

      That is the same thing, is it not? Either management is willing to pay enough to lure enough people into doing the job - or the job doesn't get done.

      Basically, you get paid roughly what it would cost to replace you. If there's a long line of PhD holding experts in your field desperate for a job, then you're going to get paid minimum wage. Similarly, if there's a shortage of unskilled shift workers, then they can expect to get paid enough to lure people into leaving other jobs to do unskilled shift work. Supply and demand in action.

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    24. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work. Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      100% correct

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    25. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by tomhath · · Score: 1

      More like a shortage of workers who will work for a salary instead of living on government handouts.

    26. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't live in a capitalist economy.

    27. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Eloking · · Score: 2

      a painful labour shortage

      There's no shortage of workers. There are lots of people around who'd be willing to do this work. It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work. Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      Automation engineer here. I guess this is part of the argument that I see quite regularly.

      When you work in that field, it's inevitable that you eventually ask yourself : "Am I destroying jobs?"

      The way I see it, yes we do destroy job. But do you know what's even more efficient to destroy Western jobs? Chineses!

      I'm surprised that we get so much hate while most manifacturing jobs have been lost to mondialisation during the 20th century. Are we already forgotten that about everything you buy in Walmart have a "Made in (insert asian country)" tag on it.

      A Western worker will never compete with a chinese at 1/5 his wage. On the other hand, a Western worker with a robot doing 500% faster work might.

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    28. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No there's a surplus of employers who think a $5/hr under the table illegal immigrant who says he worked in construction in Guadalajara does exactly the same work as a professional builder who is up to date on local building codes but charges $28/hr. So the illegal gets hired. The job is done to barely adequate standards, the building inspector is fooled because he's another minimum wage doofus who has no idea what he's doing or doesn't care, and lo and behold the house is falling apart 2 years after the sale. But nobody cares because everyone got paid by the homeowner's mortgage. The homeowner doesn't care as long as property prices keep rising and he can sell his house for profit.

      Except you end up with a country made of shit with infrastructure and buildings falling apart a generation later, everyone is in debt and no one remembers how to fix things properly because the quality people switched careers and work in marketing now, lying to each other about the latest crap they want to sell you. Well done, you've brought your country down to Guadalajara standards. Enjoy living your 3rd world nation while China eats your lunch.

    29. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's a plutocracy and cronyism is the only way to go if you want to get anywhere. Suck up to someone in the game and you'll get some. Otherwise you'll always be a serf.

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    30. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      If robots are cheaper, robots will do the work.

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    31. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      LOL, no, that's bullshit. The problem is a properly skilled, talented, experienced worker makes his job look easy. Meanwhile the guys signing the checks, who don't know the first thing about doing the actual work and are only good at shuffling papers, drinking coffee, and telling other people how to do their jobs (regardless of being full of shit) actually believe that it's easy and anyone can do the work -- because the guys who are good at it make it look easy. You want quality work, you pay a quality wage to get it.

    32. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by mesterha · · Score: 1

      Next up, that rate is determine by what people will pay

      I assume these people shop around, so it's the competition that determines the price.

      everyone has a budget to stick to - that means the guy paying for a building has constraints which don't allow new construction at the rate people want to be paid for it, so it either doesn't get done or there is some give.

      It gets hard to tease out all the competition, but if someone already owns the land, he's going to try to get as low a price as possible for the construction even if he can pay more and be profitable.

      Basic economics, supply vs demand, but there is a basis to both sides beyond the theory of it - the supply (labor) wants all they can get and the demand (client) wants all they can get, for the former that's a direct translation to wealth and for the latter it's a budgetary constraint saying how much they can build for x amount.

      Maybe one should apply more sophisticated economics. Can this be modeled with game theory? The workers are in some type of prisoner's dilemma. They need a job so they end up depressing their wages and don't benefit from most of the increases in productivity. Of course, the owners are in a related situation but their are fewer players, and they have more resources, so perhaps they do better...

      But honestly, I find many of these arguments (including my own) suspect. Economics has little interesting predictive power. It smells a bit of pseudo-science. The other issue is that economics has a large engineering component. In other words, just because things are this way with the current rules doesn't mean they have to be this way. However, because we have such limited understanding of this system, it has proven difficult to control.

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    33. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      True, it is more complex then just the individual. However to break the chain of poverty really needs the individual to step up and say I won't live like this, this means going against the ideals and habits that they grew up with. So it really takes a lot of work for someone to break poverty and actually get one of those dull lower middle class life styles, then their kids if taught right, decide to go further could make it to upper middle class.
      From Rags to Riches is extremely rare. But careful life decisions can get you to the next level.
      However society needs to help too. Welfare is both to easy and too hard on the individual. Once you are on it, it makes it hard to get off, and work your way up. But it also comes with a lot of conditions, that could prevent you from taking the next step, because success requires risk. Welfare rules do not want to risk tax payer money on things that may not work out. Using the Welfare money to go to school, get more training, or use the money to start a company. Because people can also use the money to buy Fancy clothing, a Big screen TV and the latest iPhone. However someone who is starting a home business could use this big screen TV in the waiting room, or the Fancy Clothing for a job interview and work attire, and the latest iPhone may have the features for them to work from home so they don't need to get a car or be late for work from public transportation.

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    34. Re: "a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. A master mason makes over $100K in the Midwest. This is just fucking American laziness.

    35. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "At least for me, keeping the barriers to homeownership low seems like a very worthy social goal, one that needs to be balanced against all the other worthy goals we have."

      Congrats! You learned absolutely nothing from the Great Recession. The worst thing you could do to a family is lower the barriers to home ownership, allowing them to buy a house they can't afford. They will subsequently get foreclosed upon and be in even worse shape than they were before buying the house.

      Do you know how many families lost their homes in that debacle? Why are you trying to reinflate that bubble so that new families can be ruined?

    36. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by lgw · · Score: 2

      More than that, bricklaying and masonry in general is a skilled trade, and there's a deep labor shortage in the skilled trades, especially construction-related, that's really limiting new construction. We're sending everyone off to college with the expectation of a white-collar job these days, and very few are going to be looking at jobs like bricklaying at any (reasonable) pay.

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    37. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Oh? Pay more and a crowd of new people will instantly become journeyman bricklayers, having completed training and years of apprenticeship? You have a shallow and simple-minded view of things, I'd say.

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    38. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      There's no shortage of workers. There are lots of people around who'd be willing to do this work. It's a shortage of employers willing to pay the wage required to properly compensate people for doing the work.

      The "employers" here are home builders. As a home builder, a house to me is worth about $150/sq foot, and that's how I'm going to price labor. If the price goes substantially beyond that, I'm not interested anymore, and I don't care whether you feel "properly compensated" or not.

    39. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is this: we're raised to believe that if we work hard we'll have a comfortable life. It isn't true. There is a finite amount of new wealth being generated in the economy, and it is all going to people who are already wealthy. Thus, anyone who isn't well off - because, for example, they are young and haven't had the good fortune to heave wealthy parents - cannot make enough money to enjoy the same lifestyle their parents did through unskilled or semi-skilled labour. They have to have some marketable skill to make it out of the wage-rent-bills cycle and start building wealth, and half of all people are below average. Added to this that every year there are more and more people competing for fewer low-skill jobs thanks to automation, wage stagnation and retail price inflation, and we've got a vicious cycle where standards of living for the average person can only go down.

      We can either do something about the problem (e.g. wealth redistribution), or get used to the idea of the majority of the population being a permanent underclass unable to escape from poverty. They might not be starving - yet - but they will have to tighten their belts every year until they are.

      So how do you solve this problem? By spending money sat idle in bank accounts and balance sheets on things that are useful to humans. Roads and railways, houses and hospitals. Pay your workers properly, and they might even be able to afford to buy one of the houses they build.

    40. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yep. And that's the looming problem we're all facing - robots have reached the point that they're rapidly encroaching on most areas of human endeavor - able to do things better, faster, and cheaper than any human. Unless your job requires significant amounts of creativity you'll likely be facing robotic replacement within a few decades. Even middle management will likely be largely replaced, and upper management is safe only because they're the ones calling the shots.

      So, the question is do we start doing something about it now, to ensure that at least some of the robotically generated wealth is shared around, or do we wait until the 1% and their robot armies politely command us all to kindly F off?

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    41. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Workers must be doing pretty good if they are refusing paid gigs. That's why it's infinitely more humane to hire a starving person in Africa to do the job for $2 a day because you will be improving an extremely desperate life. I mean clearly no fat cats are starving in the USA since we turn down work offered at $70 a day -- 35 times higher but we say "no thanks, I'm good!"

    42. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The problem with that thesis is that paying for quality work doesn't guarantee that you get quality work. And you have already specified that the people in charge can't tell the difference.

      This is why the school of management that says "a good manager can manage anything" is wrong. A good manager can manage managers, because he recognizes good management. A good carpenter is not necessarily a good manager, but can recognize another good carpenter. So good middle management is the important part...but top management can only recognize the "good management" part of the equation.

      P.S.: The above a a synopsis of the fallacy of "general intelligence". There isn't any such thing. There are specific skill sets. Having lots of skill sets makes you intelligent in those areas, and one of those areas of skill had better be getting your skill sets to work together.

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    43. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By automating you are reducing the cost of production which is the best thing that can be done for the economy. More things can be made, more people can participate in the trading of those things. There will be new jobs, even in construction if the cost of building homes can be reduced more people will want to do it (who doesn't want to live in a mansion and own a self driving helicopter?), therefore more people will be employed to facilitate those. Until we can say every human has everything they want, there will be a demand for people to exchange products and services with each other.

      Automation has always and will always create jobs, don't believe the BS that claims otherwise. Think about it this way .. without automation only a few people would own cars. If only few people owned cars, then less people would take roadtrips .. if there are less roadtrips then many tourist towns wouldn't have people visiting. Less people would have income from gas stations. Few tire manufacturers would exist.

    44. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      If you're a 'manager' at any level and you can't even recognize whether your workforce is doing high quality work or not, then I say you're a poor manager and you're the one being overpaid and in need of replacement. Furthermore if you're a manager and you don't have some supervisors under you that do know how to do the work, and therefore ensure a high quality of the work done, then you're likewise screwing up and either need to up your management game or get replaced by someone who can. I grew up around the construction industry and my father was 'the boss' so I heard and saw more than enough of 'management' to have a pretty good idea of how that's supposed to work.

    45. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      There is a shortage of workers willing to work for less than what my competitor is paying his workers. Without the lower wages, I can't underbid my competitor and still make the profit worth my time. But, with this robot, I can beat my competition....at least until he acquires a robot more capable than mine.

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    46. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      But honestly, I find many of these arguments (including my own) suspect. Economics has little interesting predictive power. It smells a bit of pseudo-science.

      This is economics in a nutshell. Most central logic of the field were created by actual crazy people (some of the major ones after they went crazy) while it's mostly hand-waving to keep people fooled into believing it's not a house of cards, because if they believed that long enough it would collapse in on itself. The fact that last point is a central guidestone behind modern economics is itself terrifying.

    47. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Being skilled is not the same as being intelligent. So no general intelligence is not a fallacy. I agree that paying a higher price does not guarantee better work. Actually a lot of residential construction is pretty easy. Easy enough that most people could learn to do it well enough pretty quickly even without formal training. Higher skilled, more experienced construction workers are generally just faster at doing the same thing. So it becomes a question of whether they are faster enough to justify their higher prices. Sometimes they are. Sometimes they aren't.

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    48. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      While they are a lot good workers, there are a bunch of Drop outs, more interested in getting drunk and/or taking drugs.

      As you say there are 'a mountain' of people asking for the jobs. Not all of them are drunks or drug users. Just hire them. Then there is no shortage. I suspect that like most of the businesses in the US they tend to have very specific requirements for their new hires with specific experience requirements etc much of which is not really necessary. It's only because of arbitrary requirements that there might seem to be a shortage. They might even (gasp) train some people especially for the easier sort of construction work which is most of it.

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    49. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      More to the point bricklaying and masonry work is more than just a 'skilled trade'. It is actually hard. Getting everything lined up and straight is really tricky in a way that most construction work is not. It would be great if someone could make a robot that could do that work. I am skeptical but it's a perfect use case because of the difficulty humans have in getting things perfectly lined up like that.

      In the country where I live now you can hire a mason for like $10 for a full day's work but don't expect those bricks/blocks to be straight or true. The wall will stay up perfectly well but it won't look nearly as good and of course won't be as strong. In the building where I live right now none of the walls or floors or ceilings are even close to straight/true/plumb, but the building has survived earthquakes without even any new cracks in the masonry. So I guess it's good enough and it is of course much much cheaper. There is something to be said for being able to build houses that non-rich people can actually afford to buy.

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    50. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      I think it's those mostly unnecessary barriers to entry that you mention that are more responsible for any perceived shortage than the wages. The wages are quite good precisely because the tradesmen currently working keep the barriers to entry so high. Although bricklaying is probably one of the most difficult of the trades. It is really tricky to do well. But in general I think the main reason construction labor costs are so high in the US is how difficult we make it for people to actually do that work.

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    51. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If companies didn't keep advertising record sales and revenue then I might agree with you, but instead they're lowering wages, increasing the final cost, and pocketing the differences. Why should companies be allowed to generate extra profit at the cost of everyone else?

    52. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Many are trained but fail to keep Their job. The business owners learns what to lookout for and will not higher people the had historically trouble with.

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    53. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like the paying is completely voluntary, on the whim, and that ends could meet without it. Charity is something you pay whatever you are willing, labor is a recurring expense, which you are always willing to pay as close to zero as possible.

      Work is not a luxury commodity, it is more like fuel to your engines, or food for your body. Of course you want to pay as little as you can, and management is not willing anything, it calculates (have someone calculate for them) the minimum it must pay for maximizing the profit of the company (who am I kidding? ... for maximizing their own bonuses).

    54. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since you are complaining, why don't you join them? Stop being a sucker, you too could enjoy the wonderful life of leisure ... Not interested? I am sure it is because of your high moral integrity, unlike those parasites, and not because invisible hand had been giving you more than your effort is worth, which happens because demand for your skills is higher than supply on the labor market.

      Sure, everyone who works wants others to work too, but to not take their jobs, or drag their salary down. Well, you can't have it both ways. This arrangement, where you get six figures and the other guy gets just enough to stay alive is better deal for you than the deal in which you both split the sum more or less equally.

      But if you are still willing to go that way, and take a hit so that your neighbour would prosper, then I admire your humanity, and I hope you are going to take an action and teach the jobless your skills.

    55. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there is a surplus of workers who believe their labour is worth more than it really is. That's the real problem and it is being rectified.

      How painful it must be, to be you.

    56. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by lgw · · Score: 1

      is more than just a 'skilled trade'. It is actually hard.

      Seems easy compared to memorizing the US electrical code (hundreds of pages of dense technical info), as needed to be an electrician in the US. All the skilled trades are hard, that's what the "skilled" part means, though I guess it's a spectrum.

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    57. Re:"a painful labour shortage"?! Bollocks! by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      At least for residential construction. I've done house wiring and I've tried to do masonry work and doing house wiring (yes code compliant) is much much easier.

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  4. I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Been hurt at work? Did you exoskeleton suddenly fail when you were lifting 200kg of blocks above your head 5 floors up? Now paralysed and being fed via a tube? Give Constructive Legal a call on ....."

    etc.

    1. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by judoguy · · Score: 2
      No different from a forklift mechanical failure or accident, e.g., soil compacting unevenly under one tire while lifting at the machine limit.

      Nothing new here. 1000's of years of construction has seen it all, even if it looks different to an outsider.

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    2. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Plus with the current litigious nature of things I would expect that exoskeleton to see quite a bit of testing and safety systems prior to widespread use.

      New automobile maintenance lifts used in commercial settings are required to have automatic locking systems to prevent a hydraulic failure from lowering the load. If hydraulic pressure is lost the load will settle-down onto the mechanical lock right below it, so that the load doesn't crush the mechanic or unevenly lower the vehicle to where it falls off the lift and gets damaged.

      It's not unreasonable to consider similar mechanical backups on electric, pneumatic, or hydraulic exoskeletons, for those systems designed to lift past the threshold of what a human can naturally carry. Given that there's little reason to spend money on systems that only can carry what a human can already naturally lift, that would mean that most applications would be subject to such safety mechanisms.

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    3. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately for everyone, lawyers are also being automated. Coming soon: automation of juries and the court system...

    4. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      You can jump clear of a forklift unless it has a protective cab. Good luck trying to jump out of an exoskeleton and it has no protective cage.

    5. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by del_diablo · · Score: 1

      Clear a forklift? Really?
      When rough conditions happen, you have no warning, because you are already in mud or tilted terrain. So when you finally tilt, there is no warning. And the danger of tilting itself isn't so bad, you just sit sideways: No the real danger of tilting, is that things start tumbling or falling around.
      When you think about it, Exoskeletons only need one safety mechanism for common usage: If something goes wrong, lock joint. And allow user to leave the device, if he has help.

      Then again, the potential dangers of exoskeletons isn't even tripping accidents. Going for those as a example, is a sign of short sighted tabloid thinking.
      The greatest bother, is that to create a simple exoskeleton, you need some very simple limitations:
      1. Joints can't be fully bent. Might mean knightly super movement with no danger, or stiff painful movement for work
      2. Augmented movement is hard and potentially dangerous. A "safe" exoskeleton might have slow movement of limbs: Like driving a really slow forklift, which could be extremely bothersome when not moving objects
      3. Additional reinforcement, to prevent injury in case of uneven movement(i.e clearing climbing obstacles, or uneven footing)
      On top of that, it might never be safe to operate in any barely tilted environment. And offers no advantage in height, without turning it into a balance/durability game for children.

    6. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually retailers like Home Depot and logistics companies with a lot of sorting like UPS have been testing exoskeletons for several years now to great success. The amount of weight that people lift/move/carry is just as much as they normally would be able to do, except it's now augmented. This has led to more work getting done by said workers because they are not overworked, and way less injuries with repetitive work.

    7. Re:I can see lawyers salivating at the prospect... by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      "When rough conditions happen, you have no warning, because you are already in mud or tilted terrain."

      Who the fuck would use a forklift in mud or on tilited ground?

      Anyway, look on youtube, plenty of examples of people jumping clear.

  5. This looks incomplete to me by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The video in the article shows a rather large device laying bricks according to plan. Fine.. but bricks alone are more or less useless without mortar. And in most cases (at least in my region) bricks are a facing on wood frame construction over a poured concrete basement. This robot doesn't look like it can work on anything but an empty slab of concrete, limiting it to small industrial unit builds.

    Now, the second bricklayer robot linked to from the main article... that looks more interesting. It lays bricks against an existing surface, it's smaller, and it appears to handle mortar.

    I'm still more keen on the giant 3D printers that print layers of concrete, though as you'd expect there's still a long way to go before they can handle ceilings and other structures with large areas lacking support while setting.

    1. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The video in the article shows a rather large device laying bricks according to plan. Fine.. but bricks alone are more or less useless without mortar. And in most cases (at least in my region) bricks are a facing on wood frame construction over a poured concrete basement.

      It's quite common to have an entirely brick house, instead of the wood-frame and brick veneer that you're used to.

    2. Re:This looks incomplete to me by idji · · Score: 1

      Mortar is poured in from above into the hollow bricks.

    3. Re:This looks incomplete to me by beelsebob · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but many building techniques these days invert the solid structure, and the insulation - using insulation bricks, and then in-filling it with concrete to provide the structure. There's no need to mortar the bricks when doing that.

    4. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Mortar is poured in from above into the hollow bricks.

      I missed that step, and I'm fascinated to find out how that gets between the bricks, and doesn't waste a LOT of mass either making the bricks mostly solid or filling their voids with mortar.

      I'll have to watch the video again and pay closer attention.

    5. Re:This looks incomplete to me by butchersong · · Score: 1

      I will be building a house this year and would kill for a solid masonry brick home. These veneers that people use on building these days I just don't understand...

    6. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " And in most cases (at least in my region) bricks are a facing on wood frame construction over a poured concrete basement."

      In most cases? Ah, the ole Slashdot opinion as fact. Please do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

    7. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >I will be building a house this year and would kill for a solid masonry brick home.

      If you're building it, it seems like (subject to money, skill, and building codes) there's a much simpler solution than killing for it!

      As a LEGO enthusiast, I'd kill for click-together bricks made from an appropriate hard rubber compound. It's been done once or twice but never seriously. The idea, however, of simply assembling my house to taste once I have a concrete pad and utility hookups is fascinating to me. Disassembling the top floor if I want to replace a first floor door or window, not so much.

    8. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mortar is poured in from above into the hollow bricks.

      So, was bricklaying time per hour factoring in the concrete fill step at the end? It should if they want a fair comparison

    9. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reason even the richest people don't go all masonry is because in the event of an earth quake you are dead with your all masonry house. We had a small earth quake even in NYC just 6 years ago. Its epicenter was off Virginia but we felt it in NYC. Very few places are truly 100% earth quake safe. Now do you understand?

    10. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will be building a house this year and would kill for a solid masonry brick home. These veneers that people use on building these days I just don't understand...

      Veneer provides a durable, visually pleasing exterior for a relatively low cost. It also has some insulating benefits over lap siding. Its very easy to understand. What do you get from solid brick structure that is of such a need that it justifies the extra cost?

    11. Re:This looks incomplete to me by gnick · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's quite common to have an entirely brick house...

      36-24-36

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    12. Re: This looks incomplete to me by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Such innovations have a tough path to widespread use. They must be shown to meet building codes and statndards, which are often localized to account for regional differences in weather, events, and geology. If you are not using standard materials, then you may need special engineering analysis/approval to verify the suitability of the product for that purpose, which are big cost adders. Also, you may have trouble getting loans for houses using unproven techniques. In short, there are a lot of obstacles in place for new house technology beyond the technology itself. The more similar any technoglogy is to proven methods, the easier the path.

    13. Re:This looks incomplete to me by butchersong · · Score: 2

      A solid brick, stone or concrete home when positioned correctly would allow me to build a house that will last centuries with little upkeep. The south facing walls of the house would be able to absorb significant amounts of heat in the winter and in the summer if I planted deciduous trees on this face of the home, the leaves would prevent a large part of this heat providing me with the opposite cooling effect. Basically, very little upkeep and a large amount of thermal mass.

    14. Re:This looks incomplete to me by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think it's important to differentiate between bricks (dark, historically clay-fired) and concrete blocks.

      I don't think bricks are used for structural features anymore, but concrete block still is used for foundations and sometimes walls. The challenge for concrete block, though, is even in large scale construction where you would use them they already face competition from poured concrete and precast concrete panels. I think both are structurally sounder and allow rapid assembly of large buildings. Most new warehouses or industrial buildings made from concrete are built this way.

      I live in an older neighborhood that's seen a fair amount of teardown new construction and the basement foundations are almost universally made from form-based poured concrete from what I've seen. In the types of construction where concrete block is still used, the scale often seems small -- a limited set of block courses before switching to wood or steel framing.

      I'm not sure how much robotics works in this market.

    15. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only if she's 5'3".

    16. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >I live in an older neighborhood that's seen a fair amount of teardown new construction and the basement foundations are almost universally made from form-based poured concrete from what I've seen. In the types of construction where concrete block is still used, the scale often seems small -- a limited set of block courses before switching to wood or steel framing. I'm not sure how much robotics works in this market.

      I can see a future where a surveyor stakes out four corners of the foundation as reference for a robot that excavates, places a foundation form (perhaps made of vertical sections that link together), and then pours concrete. I could even see that being done with current technology, appropriately applied.

      What I can't see (yet) is such a system working without close human oversight to handle exceptions and notice potential problems.

    17. Re:This looks incomplete to me by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      I've built that way, and while it doesn't have to be mortar, you have to use some sort of adhesive or interlock between the Insulating Concrete Forms, or the weight of the poured concrete will push them apart at the bottom during the pour.

    18. Re:This looks incomplete to me by swb · · Score: 1

      I think automating foundations is probably not very likely considering the amount and complexity of robotics involved relative to what's already being saved in the traditional poured concrete method.

      Soil variability makes automated excavation a challenge, you really need a person doing the digging to deal with small-scale variations in soil conditions (dig more here, dig less there) or with unknown stuff under a re-purposed building site (abandoned utilities or foundations).

      Existing poured foundations are already modular forms that get re-used, and once the concrete is poured it's almost no labor involved -- just let the concrete cure and then remove the forms.

      An automated digging system would have to be very good at local soil variations of subterranean exceptions in small scales and would wind up being a lot of complex machinery for what amounts to a couple of guys and a backhoe.

      I think where automatic concrete pouring makes more sense is post-foundation, where you would use a machine to 3D print walls using some kind of fast-setting concrete type material. But they seem to be really fast and efficient with wood framing, so its a question of extreme capital intensive automation versus small amounts of labor and well-known methods.

    19. Re:This looks incomplete to me by John.Banister · · Score: 1

      Look into insulating concrete forms.

    20. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      The video in the article shows a rather large device laying bricks according to plan.

      As a mechanical engineer, my first thought was, "How much fuel does it take to move that massive thing!"

      A couple of human bricklayers can't be that expensive compared to that fuel guzzling beast. I thought we were trying to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

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    21. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, which is precisely why they build shelters (bomb, tornado, hurricane, etc) out of wood and.......... oh wait. Unreinforced masonry/concrete structures are quite susceptible to ground movements, strategically lay in some rebar and suddenly they'll make stick built homes look like paper mache . The reason why "brick buildings" tend to be the ones you see collapsed after a quake is that they're the buildings that are 50-100 years old and built before there was any sensible building codes (or during a time that the earthquake danger for that area was poorly understood/publicly known in their area). Cost is the bigger issue, you can currently build a wood/metal building for a decent amount less than a reinforced masonry structure.

    22. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      You may want to look into structural insulated panels if you haven't. While not quite what you were thinking they are closer.

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    23. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >As a mechanical engineer, my first thought was, "How much fuel does it take to move that massive thing!"

      That didn't even occur to me. I think you'd have to compare its carbon footprint to that of an average human worker. Maybe it's actually more efficient per brick! (Though I think that unlikely)

      My actual first thought was much more ridiculous. I'd like to see a smaller robot, perhaps able to carry just a half-dozen bricks and mortar, that could crawl along brickwork laying a new row behind it and either returning to a supply station constantly or being 'fed' by another, larger, robot.

    24. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      I think there are definitely more elegant solutions to that problem. Maybe a robot that runs along some scaffolding. Human brick layers need scaffolding too.

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    25. Re:This looks incomplete to me by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This type of building is not sustainable. What happens when you want to make additions?

    26. Re:This looks incomplete to me by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Until one of the roots of those deciduous trees decides to go burrowing underneath your brittle house.

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    27. Re:This looks incomplete to me by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Any modern house I'm aware of is going to have a concrete footer so I'm not sure what the difference wall material would make in this case to a foundation issue like that. The trees themselves wouldn't be any different from trees currently surrounding houses in most subdivisions or rural homes.

    28. Re:This looks incomplete to me by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      I live in a reinforced concrete building that just survived an earthquake recently without any apparent damage.

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    29. Re:This looks incomplete to me by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I think it's important to differentiate between bricks (dark, historically clay-fired) and concrete blocks.

      I don't think bricks are used for structural features anymore, but concrete block still is used for foundations and sometimes walls. The challenge for concrete block, though, is even in large scale construction where you would use them they already face competition from poured concrete and precast concrete panels. I think both are structurally sounder and allow rapid assembly of large buildings. Most new warehouses or industrial buildings made from concrete are built this way.

      I live in an older neighborhood that's seen a fair amount of teardown new construction and the basement foundations are almost universally made from form-based poured concrete from what I've seen. In the types of construction where concrete block is still used, the scale often seems small -- a limited set of block courses before switching to wood or steel framing.

      I'm not sure how much robotics works in this market.

      Not sure where you live, but pretty certain you've never seen a house being built.

      A concrete slab is used for the foundation, but bricks are still used for walls because they've got better insulation properties than concrete blocks. Larger buildings aren't made primarily of either, but we're talking about houses here. Only very cheap houses are made from precast concrete. Point in short, there's no shortage of bricklaying jobs.

      BTW, for many centuries, bricks have been available in many colours. red/brown are the natural colours (depending on where the clay is mined, higher ferrous content in the soil produces redder bricks as are common in Australia) but that hasn't been a restriction for some time.

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    30. Re:This looks incomplete to me by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

      42-39-56.

      You could say she's got it all!

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    31. Re:This looks incomplete to me by swb · · Score: 1

      I live in northern USA. No concrete slab foundations. Our houses all have basements for utilities and because the footings need to extend below the frost line as do our water and sewer lines. Basement has a poured slab, but the footings for sure are poured with most new houses built in my immediate neighborhood in the last 10 years having a poured concrete foundation walls that extend to about 2 feet above grade.

      Typically above grade elevation they are stick framed with dimensional lumber, LVLs or engineered wood truss joists. Exterior structure is usually chipboard or plywood over the stick framing. That gets covered with Tyvek house wrap, and the exterior finish is either vinyl siding, cementboard siding often with 6 ft of cultured stone or brick fascia at ground level.

      Exterior walls between 2x4s or 2x6s are filled with fiberglass batting for insulation. Attic spaces are usually unfinished with blown in or rolled fiberglass over the attic decking or top floor ceiling joists. Roof itself is uninsulated to allow it to remain cold and prevent snow melt and ice dams.

      No house around here I've seen has ever used bricks for structure unless it was built in the 19th century. I think the "bricks" used for fascias are all synthetic masonry and not fired clay, either.

  6. Cinder blocks? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Not much bricklaying in Silicon Valley. Will the robot be able to lay 1,000 cinder blocks, place horizontal rebars every other course and tie them to the vertical rebars, and then grout the wall?

    1. Re:Cinder blocks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course! We've been 3D printing houses for YEARS now! Get with it, pops!

    2. Re:Cinder blocks? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Of course! We've been 3D printing houses for YEARS now! Get with it, pops!

      No one has done a tilt up in years. It's all mixed development with concrete garages and storefronts at ground level, and four stories of wood housing on top.

  7. Bricks? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Seismic activity is increasing for reasons both man-made and natural. Just what we need, more brick facades!

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    1. Re: Bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seismic activity is increasing for reasons both man-made and natural. Just what we need, more brick facades!

      Go home drinkypoo, you're drunk.

  8. Robots will need a third hand by billrp · · Score: 1

    To dole out cash payments to building inspectors to pass their work. The construction industry, developers, and government inspectors are all very corrupt.

    1. Re:Robots will need a third hand by judoguy · · Score: 1

      Just add an ATM and you're ready to go. Cards are issued as part of the permit application.

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  9. Might need some upgrades by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    That's a pretty cool robot but I have to wonder how useful it is to stack bricks without mortar or rebar. Most civilized building codes (or for that matter sane buyers) would not let you occupy a structure that is not reinforced. Particularly in earthquake prone regions.

    Maybe that's part of the job that humans are still supposed to do. It is a step in the right direction.

    1. Re:Might need some upgrades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a complete fucking idiot.

  10. It's a matter of time... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Brick layers should worry.

    These machines do not get tired;

    they do not ask for over time;

    they do not need "days-off';

    they do not engage in office "politics";

    They will work exactly as programmed.

    Those are some of the benefits. I am sure there are more. Question is: What will present brick layers do?

    1. Re:It's a matter of time... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >What will present brick layers do?

      Bricklayers (the highly skilled ones) will simply work smaller jobs or oversee the robots while the lesser bricklayers will be looking for other work.

      The transition will take the better part of a generation anyway, so mostly it will be attrition that takes care of the labour problem. I don't see these robots decimating the industry in less than a couple of decades.

    2. Re:It's a matter of time... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Brick layers should worry.

      Question is: What will present brick layers do?

      That is the other half of the equation. and one that needs addressed and soon. But it is ignored, in the manner of "We'll drive off that cilff when we come to it".

      That this automation of almost all jobs is coming - the only way it won't happen is if we bomb ourselves back to the stone age, and will need actual human labor to survive.

      But there will be a metric shitload of excess population that will have to be dealt with. And not all options are helpful to the top tier of players. We are looking at a choice of:

      Massive total war to kill off the people who are no longer employable as other than cannon fodder, and who we won't support via the government. This is very plausible, as there will be no way for 1 percent or less of the population to support everyone else.

      Massive internal population reduction. Chemically induced depopulation. Plausible, but it's a lot easier to get the unemployable to kill each other. This method is also a lot less "entertaining".

      Now here is where that other half of the equation that is widely ignored comes into play. The "Get rid of human workers" effort is of course pretty self limiting. Assuming you or I are one of the people on the supply side of the equation, every reduction in workforce is another brick in a wall of self destruction. If I'm selling anything other than food, I'm reducing the number of customers for what I'm selling. That is suicidal, even if most of the supply side doesn't understand it - think about how stupid the top tier thinks the rest of us are. But they are just as stupid.

      So the massive depopulation efforts will drag down the elite as well.

      Other more palatable futures will be if humanity can somehow subdue our appetite for killing other humans, and consider freeing ourselves completely from labor as a good thing. People will be able to pursue what they want to pursue in life, and not spend most of their time working if they don't have to. This is sort of plausible, but will require suppression of human tribalism and a big shift in outlook

      I've shortened that part, because I think that within 25 years, there might be maybe a hundred million of us humans left in the world, or perhaps none at all.

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    3. Re:It's a matter of time... by lgw · · Score: 1

      That this automation of almost all jobs is coming

      Sure, over the next couple of centuries. Of course, almost all jobs that people were doing a century or two ago are automated now.

      Real-world infrastructure isn't the internet. Manufacturing facilities may have 25-year replacement cycles (but them, that's almost all automated already). Construction equipment and techniques change similarly slowly. Humans a resistant to change in their daily activities, and most still prefer a human cashier, meaning generations to fully automate that job even if we had the tech already.

      The rest of your post falls of into "lizard people are secetly running the world" territory. No, most businesses have no interest in killing off their customers (Oracle, maybe).

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    4. Re:It's a matter of time... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The rest of your post falls of into "lizard people are secetly running the world" territory. No, most businesses have no interest in killing off their customers (Oracle, maybe).

      It has nothing to do with lizard people. It is the natural concept of saving money. One of the major expenses of any business is salaries and benefits. And Wall Street typically rewards a company that has large layoffs most of the time. http://www.businessinsider.com...

      Which is completely understandable. But like any other group, too much of having your own way is not good for you. Your customers are not killed, but many of them cannot afford to buy what you were making any more.

      And as far as I can see, the US is already suffering a good bit of this.

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    5. Re:It's a matter of time... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, automation removes categories of jobs. But then it creates new categories. There's no evidence yet that "this time it's different", except for one data point: people with an IQ below about 85 are effectively unemployable now, and that will rise to include more people over time. That's the pending crisis: automation is now primarily affecting the people who are hardest to retrain - in fact, it's not clear that there will ever be non-makework jobs for those affected, nor that charity will prevent deep psychological/social issues (as most people feel the need to contribute to society in some useful way).

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    6. Re:It's a matter of time... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, automation removes categories of jobs. But then it creates new categories.

      There is a big flaw with this. When the effort is to minimize the human worker, then anyt effort that increases jobs is by definition a failure.

      I'm willing to listen to ideas of how more peole are going to be employed than are employed before, but the best answers I get is that someone will be taking care of the robot, but more often "I don't know". So aside from saying that I am 100 percent wrong, what are your ideas of how we are going to work toward say 5 percent unemployment? What are people going to do?

      BTW, don't get me wrong - this is happening,, and we cannot stop it. My personal guess is a lot of people are giong to die. I mean, we aren't supposed to support them, so we have to do something with them. Unemployed people looking at death anyhow tend to riot and kill, so we will have to figure something out.

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    7. Re:It's a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll just retrain them to make bee videos, write terrible ebooks, and shitpost Amazon affiliate links all day. That can net a whole 5$ a day.

    8. Re:It's a matter of time... by lgw · · Score: 1

      There is a big flaw with this. When the effort is to minimize the human worker, then anyt effort that increases jobs is by definition a failure.

      The has been to minimize the human worker for 400 years. There's little evidence this time is different (but there is a little). New jobs replace the old ones, because people consume more, and have for 400 years.

      Aside from the growing problem of a minimum IQ seemingly needed to be employable at all, there's no doubt people will keep wanting to consume more as their current consumption inevitably gets cheaper. There's always work that no one has yet discovered how to automate, and change isn't overnight. But that "all the remaining jobs require some smarts" problem is a bad one, I think.

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    9. Re:It's a matter of time... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The has been to minimize the human worker for 400 years. There's little evidence this time is different (but there is a little). New jobs replace the old ones, because people consume more, and have for 400 years.

      Aside from the growing problem of a minimum IQ seemingly needed to be employable at all, there's no doubt people will keep wanting to consume more as their current consumption inevitably gets cheaper. There's always work that no one has yet discovered how to automate, and change isn't overnight. But that "all the remaining jobs require some smarts" problem is a bad one, I think.

      Your IQ point is well taken. The following is getting a little off the main subject, but altogether too many people have been fed the line that "You can be anything that you wou want to be if you only try hard enough. Follow your passion.".

      When in fact, actual passion is really rare. I'm infected with it, and truth be told, it can be pretty painful at times, when the obsession drives you hard.

      I will never be a prima ballerina or a male nurse, and no one I know will ever be an NFL Center. And there are some people who are doing well to get their shoes tied in the morning. I'm a polymath, and only a few people can be that.

      Here is a thought, regarding your consumption increases. It is obvious that to do such a thing, recycling will have to increase. We will definitely exhaust the most easily extractable raw materials. Maybe sorting out all of the different recycleable products can keep the lower ability people gainfully employed. Just a thought.

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  11. The state of denial by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    Say what you will, but automation of most jobs seems likely to occur as soon as companies can get their hands on the machines to replace their pesky human counterparts. Bricklaying is a repetitive, labor intensive chore ripe for the transition, yet there are undoubtedly bricklayers out there who would deny their job can be done by robotics.

    I've noticed a lot of people are pretty sure the job they do is unlikely to be replaced by a machine.

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    1. Re:The state of denial by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1
      I hate to have to tell you this but MOST jobs were automated before you were born. As a result, no one has done them, except as entertainment, in decades and in some cases centuries.
      As an example, a simple medieval style shirt used to cost about $3,000 to make at today's minimum wage..
      • It takes about 7 hours of fairly hard work to sew that shirt by hand.
      • It takes about 7 times as long, or about 49 hours, to weave the cloth to sew into that shirt, again, by hand.
      • It takes 7 times THAT, or about 399 hours, to spin the thread used to weave the cloth sewn into that shirt.
      • That means, without factoring in the time it took to obtain the raw materials, it takes 399 hours to make a shirt

      • That means that at minimum wage it costs almost $3,000 to make a shirt without automation and without counting the cost of materials.
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    2. Re:The state of denial by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      That means that at minimum wage it costs almost $3,000 to make a shirt without automation and without counting the cost of materials.

      I suspect that's also why we used to wear animal skins so frequently.

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    3. Re:The state of denial by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      For the most part, in pre-industrial Europe only the well to do wore clothing derived from animal skins.

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  12. A costly mistake... by djsmiley · · Score: 1

    There's no point in having a robot move bricks a human can move. Human sized bricks are human sized, because humans suck for moving something bigger.

    Show me a robot that just places an entire wall in one go.

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    1. Re:A costly mistake... by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      There's no point in having a robot move bricks a human can move.

      Dude, it's all about the money. While humans can do what you suggest, robots need no overtime or days off or politics.
       
      In fact, They work better than human beings who will [sometimes] strike over pay.

    2. Re:A costly mistake... by Ultra7 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same. There is no need to limit the robot by a human paradigm.

    3. Re:A costly mistake... by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      There's no point in having a robot move bricks a human can move. Human sized bricks are human sized, because humans suck for moving something bigger.

      Show me a robot that just places an entire wall in one go.

      Supply chain and workforce integration. By using standard sized bricks you can have a robot working alongside or supplementing human bricklayers without unnecessarily complicating purchasing and shipping of materials. Businesses further up the supply chain would also have to adjust their manufacturing process to make these larger bricks, further complicating their business and adding unnecessary costs. There is also the aesthetic component: people like the look of standard sized bricks.

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    4. Re:A costly mistake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no point in having a robot move bricks a human can move. Human sized bricks are human sized, because humans suck for moving something bigger.

      Nope. Bricks are not limited by human capacity, but rather it is an engineering choice to considerations that determine effective usable size.

      Show me a robot that just places an entire wall in one go.

      We call that concrete.

      It works well for some applications, less well for others.

    5. Re:A costly mistake... by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you have to ask "why brick at all?" Anything you do with brick you can do with concrete. Architects love concrete for its possibilities, but normal humans prefer the traditional look of brick.

      And while you're talking about 3D printing, concrete as a 3D printing medium is coming along nicely, and is in the very early adopter stage where people who use it do so because it creates things that look different. But early adopters, while crucial in the tech adoption curve, aren't where you make money. You make money selling to the masses, and the masses are conservative.

      Take concrete block construction; this does exactly what you suggest, make the construction cheaper and faster by using larger units. I live in a block house, and it would not be a whit better if it were made from bricks instead, but it'd be worth a lot more because people know concrete block construction is cheaper than brick.

      So the advantage of a robot that lays conventional-looking bricks isn't functional. It's economic. Brick-laying robots create structures that have greater value than ones made by block-laying or concrete extruding robots.

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    6. Re:A costly mistake... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      That's why my preferred solution is stamped concrete made to look like brick. It's already commonly used for pavement purposes like sidewalks and such.

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    7. Re:A costly mistake... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      There's no point in having a robot move bricks a human can move. Human sized bricks are human sized, because humans suck for moving something bigger.

      You can only fire clay into a brick up to a certain size. Above that size and you can't get the center of the brick to properly convert from clay to brick. Standard bricks were already pushing that limit, which is why modern standard bricks have holes in them.

      To make a much larger brick, you need to make them hollow. At which point, you are making a much more expensive and weaker concrete block.

    8. Re:A costly mistake... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, stamping is used for _horizontal_ surfaces, because you can't really stamp a design into a _vertical_ surface. If it's soft enough to stamp, it tends to flow downhill. Yes, there are vertical walls that are stamped, but I believe they are stamped when horizontal, then pulled up into place after they cure.

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    9. Re:A costly mistake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such bricks exist already and are being mass produced. The hollow parts provide very good insulation.

      https://www.der-baudoktor.at/mauerwerk-mit-dry-fix-system-v_250_188.jpg

    10. Re:A costly mistake... by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Yep, stamp it on the ground and tilt it up. It's a common construction practice for industrial buildings, could easily be adapted to commercial and residential.

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  13. affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Good. Automation in the home construction business will drive down prices so normal mortals can afford a house, right?

    Who am I kidding, this will just allow speculators to throw up more buildings to be snapped up by Chinese investors and sit empty.

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    1. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Housing prices in most places are caused by two things right now: Super low interest rates, and speculators. So you'd be right, not at all. Hell in Canada, it's so bad that in parts where speculation is running wild(BC, Ontario) that nearly 50% of those houses, apts, and so on are sitting empty.

      I live in a small town, 5 years ago a buddy of mine bought a house here which went for $79k. Today it's worth $390k, the median income is around $42k/year. The market crash when it happens here in Canada is going to be spectacular. It's even worse in places like Toronto which have seen house prices go from $600k last year to $1.1m this year.

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    2. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not just Canada...

      In parts of the US West Coast, housing speculation has skyrocketed, hard. For instance, in Portland, OR and surrounding areas, a house that you couldn't get rid of for $200k during the housing bust of 2007-2010 (or so) will sell out in less than 48 hours now for $550k.

      Even way out in the sticks where I live (a 75 to 90-minute commute from downtown Portland), I purchased a hidden gem of sorts (a 2 bdrm cabin on 6 acres) in an unincorporated area of Columbia County for $250k back in late 2015. Nowadays I routinely get pestered by real estate vultures wanting me to sell it for $350-$400k (the little house is very nice, but it's mostly for the land, which has 800' of riverfront, and has wilderness areas next door on two sides of the property). In a year, I bet they'll be sniffing around for $500-600k or so if the bubble holds up. Funny thing though, I bought the place to retire in, so, well, screw 'em. I'm staying put.

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    3. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good. Automation in the home construction business will drive down prices so normal mortals can afford a house, right?

      Houses are already cheap to build. It is land that costs money. At least in cities where housing prices are a problem. Or worse, rules preventing housing from being built are the problem (San Fran, Boulder). Either way, the cost of building the house isn't significant.

    4. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      It's not just Canada...

      In parts of the US West Coast, housing speculation has skyrocketed, hard.

      Australia as well, we shouldn't forget them. And in the UK their largest subprime lender, just lost 75% of it's value. A subprime lender here in Canada lost 80% of it's market value a few months ago too.

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    5. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Housing prices in most places are caused by two things right now: Super low interest rates, and speculators.

      You also left out govt regulations (sometimes at the request of existing residents) that make it difficult & expensive to build housing.

    6. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by lgw · · Score: 1

      By "most places" you of course mean "1% of places where everyone is dogpiling in, while 99% of places are cheap". Lot of land out there, even near cities.

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    7. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by tofarr · · Score: 1

      That's a nice situation to be in - until the value goes up and property taxes start to hurt to the point that you have to sell (At about 70 years old)

    8. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not just two things. A huge part is with Boomers not downsizing their house after the children left the home (because stupid millennials drove up rents for smaller units in metro areas), or because children have not left the home yet. This means people like me cannot upsize to a bigger house to raise bigger family, because those are in short supply. And you end up with a nice chicken and egg scenario. I could definitely go for 5 bedroom instead of 3 within the next 5 years, not sure if I will though.

    9. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often does that happen? Wouldn't they account for the state of the building too?

    10. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 800 foot of water frontage in an area of the country where that is expensive. In a few decades he could parcel it out 100 feet at a time and sell them each for as much as a house in the area is worth now.

      So the market has always gone.

    11. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by balbeir · · Score: 1

      House value/cost is for a large amount determined by location, location, location. Automation is not going to make that part cheaper.

    12. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the county I live in (like many throughout the US) lays in exemptions for the elderly, so unless they ditch that, I should do fine by the time I get there. If not, I can sell it off (via subdivision) in 1-acre chunks or so and not only profit, but reduce the tax burden along the way.

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    13. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Houses are already cheap to build. It is land that costs money

      Not really. In some places you can buy lots for $10,000. You going to build a house for less than that?

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    14. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, many of those exemptions nationwide are very limited and only kick in for lower income people. A professional couple who was working at the SS cap much of their career is, in many cases, excluded from the exemptions just by their SS payments alone.

      You seem to be have chosen a place that doesn't have that problem?

    15. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dont understand how that is expensive.

      TWO acres 90 mins drive from a city for $500k?
      With USA wages?

      In my country, with a fresh grad pay of $2000 and min wage of $1000, a 500sqft serviced apartment near to a train station is $325k. Not near a train station? ~$300k.

      How is your prices expensive? Thats dirt cheap! Id kill for 2acres at 550k 90 mins from a city.

    16. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      By "most places" you of course mean "1% of places where everyone is dogpiling in, while 99% of places are cheap". Lot of land out there, even near cities.

      ~80% of Canada lives within 100mi of the US. If the land isn't crown owned, the chances of you being able to buy any because of *insert environmental restriction* or *insert indian land claim treaty* or *insert something else* is going to be pretty rough for you. A 20'x40' around here is $160k, and while I live in SW-Ontario, even heading out into the country, the land is likely going to be very close to the same price. Speculators have broken the housing and land price market.

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    17. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by lgw · · Score: 1

      The solution to high commodity prices is high commodity prices. Real estate bubbles always pop, bankrupting most speculators, so there's even some justice. Meanwhile, when prices spike lots of new construction is incentivized, which is great if there's an actual shortage and those new houses will eventually be occupied.
       

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    18. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      That's why new housing starts have fallen through the floor, and we just saw a 10% decline in the US right? Similar in Canada, with at least 1 subprime lender having financially collapsed. The two are fundamentally out of balance, those high prices aren't causing new construction now. The market is tapped out in both directions, it's gonna be great here in Canada, because 25% of our GDP is dependent on it right now.

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    19. Re:affordable housing for Millenials (yeah, right) by lgw · · Score: 1

      This isn't the internet - change takes time. There's a dire shortage of skilled tradesmen, and that will take years to correct, but all the incentives are there. America sucks at filling non-college jobs though; we have a serious cultural weakness there compared to Europe (especially Germany - they nail this).

      It's always possible that there's enough housing, just some tied up by speculators who aren't renting them out - the other kind of "malinvestment" that characterizes bubbles (the notmal kind is overbuilding). That sucks, but bubbles never last.

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  14. 3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Thud457 · · Score: 1
    Kyle Reese:

    Listen, and understand! That Brickernator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't take smoke breaks, sick days, or catcall women walking down the street! And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until that house is built!

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    1. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      or catcall women walking down the street!

      Do those folks still do this stuff?

    2. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Do those folks still do this stuff?

      The more suave bricklayers can look into a woman's eye halfway across the construction site and make her blush as she walks down the sidewalk without ever saying a word.

    3. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe it is included in the labor contract now as an inalienable right.

    4. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get a load of Crisco Suave here, trying to sound impressive.

      What would *you* know about women? The last time you saw a vagina was at birth!

    5. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound sweet, bitter tits

    6. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I interiewed a construction worker like this one time. He told me about how he met this Chinese girl once. Here's how he described her:

      "A black-and-orange baseball cap with the words "San Francisco Giants 2112 World Series Champions" and the team logo embroidered on the front shaded the Chinese face. Her closed round eyes, straight nose, and pinched lips were held still in perfect Zen meditation. The almond-colored skin pulled tautly over the hard muscles of her athletic body glistened with the shiny sweat of a hot summer day without the cool marine breeze blowing off the bay. Her small breasts with dark nipples laid flat like solar panels absorbing the afternoon sunlight."

      With scorching prose like that at his fingertips, how can she NOT blush, askance?

      By the way, anybody who's not a total virgin will tell you that small breasts with dark nipples feel like bags of sand, Creimer. Bags of sand. Not solar panels.

    7. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      By the way, anybody who's not a total virgin will tell you that small breasts with dark nipples feel like bags of sand, Creimer. Bags of sand. Not solar panels.

      If you bother to read my short story beyond the free sampler, you would have found out that the character in question was an android.

      To paraphrase a line from Star Trek 6: Undiscovered Country, "Not all androids keep their solar panels in the same place."

      BTW, A female editor accepted this short story for publication in her anthology, and she had no problems with my descriptions of female hardware.

    8. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bother to read my short story beyond the free sampler, you would have found out that the character in question was an android.

      The sad thing is, your story is not intended as comedy, but I howled and howled through the free sampler. I wonder if it's worth the 99 cents just for more laughter!

      BTW, A female editor accepted this short story for publication in her anthology, and she had no problems with my descriptions of female hardware.

      Because she had to fill her anthology, and your story was as poorly written as the other submissions, and she already had her 1 or 2 "marquee" names to draw interest. Not because your descriptions were good, well written, or accurate.

    9. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      The sad thing is, your story is not intended as comedy, but I howled and howled through the free sampler.

      It's a parody of "Sunday in The Park with George". You're supposed to laugh.

      I wonder if it's worth the 99 cents just for more laughter!

      Since you're a cheap literary critic looking for cheap shots, why don't you read the short story, "Sunday In The Park With Dawei," for FREE at Smashwords (coupon code LE67R, valid through 8/31/2017).

    10. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that is some bad writing. I agree, bad to the point of hilarity.

      But "bags of sand"? WTF? I am not a total virgin, I even had girlfriends with small breasts and dark nipples, and I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

    11. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've never seen or heard of the movie "The 40 Year Old Virgin"? .... Really? Wow. So what's it like on Jupiter this time of year?

    12. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's a parody "

      Your entire existence is a parody.

      " of "Sunday in The Park with George""

      Direct Amazon link!

      "Since you're a cheap literary critic looking for cheap shots"

      ...and a cheap author, which we found!

    13. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He ran into one pair of mournful tits and thought they were all like that. Dark nipples belong on heavy hangers....

      Dated a girl once with tubesock titties, very sad.

    14. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you saw the movie 10 years ago and quoted it! Funny!

    15. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and I'll be back to do it again!

    16. Re:3 little pigs laws of robotonomics safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "With scorching prose like that at his fingertips, how can she NOT blush, askance?"

      Just look at his Slash bio:

      "C.D. Reimer writes about the everyday reality that he finds weird, twisted and absurd for which most people accept as being perfectly normal."

      for which!

  15. Brickbots are one thing by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

    The real money will be Trimbots, who's purpose is to cover up all the mistakes of all the other constructionbots.

  16. Construction Robotics Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I watched the clip about them on TV. Their claim was that the robot could 3000 a day, but a human could only do 1000. THEN they said that the robot needed 2 people to follow it and clean things up. So, 1 robot at 3000 plus two guys at 0 = 3 workers at 3000 = not a damn bit faster than current speed. Yes, they got a robot to do a new task, but it's not any faster than current.

    1. Re:Construction Robotics Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. The math is one person does 1000 bricks per day. And with a robot, two people can do 3000 bricks per day. So you get 50% more bricks per hired person for the price of the improved brick laying tool (the robot).

    2. Re:Construction Robotics Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's more, the robot takes away the health-limited repetitive job of laying brick for long stretches of straight walls against concrete backing, and replaces it with some lighter cleanup, supply, setup, and (presumably) monitoring work. It also takes capital investment in just getting the robot, maintaining it, and training crews in their use. And you'll still be laying corners and other non-linear, too-short-for-robot bits by hand.

      As it stands, I don't see this even as a capital scale-up of any kind. It's just making manual bricklaying of the future into machine operation, where cleanup and monitoring and all the other stuff still requires skilled masons to do. This isn't going to change with heuristic or statistical algorithms; the machine will always be a stupid monkey that needs a smart controller and a support crew.

      But lemme tell you, there's great satisfaction to be had from operating various machines. I could certainly see blue-collar kids going into this kind of construction and not the traditional kind; or at least avoid it less for being something that grinds you down eventually.

    3. Re:Construction Robotics Joke by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      I remember way back when, likely Popular Mechanics in the 80's, when they demonstrated metal stud wall construction robots. One could lay bottom track and fasten to the floor, and the other could set top track and studs, crimping them in place rather than screwing.

      Funny thing... I still haven't seen one on a job site, despite all the benefits that this approach would have. You can use flat metal rolls rather than shipping shaped forms to site, all with "zero" waste!

  17. Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe, maybe not. It's been awhile since I've seen a post here expressing conjecture as solidified fact. No one knows for sure, time will tell. Bad poster, baaaaaad.

  18. "plenty of work available" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those capitalists insist that capitalism solves all our problems, and yet we have simultaneously, a large number of unemployed people and a large number of unfilled jobs.

  19. Maybe this will help with real estate inflation by werepants · · Score: 1

    Real estate is one of the few areas where prices (especially in the last couple decades) have inflated WAY beyond what they've historically been, and I wonder if part of that is because we're still building houses with a lot of the same old inefficiencies that we've always had. Bringing some serious automation into the sector could be a good thing for prices, however, that threatens one of the few remaining industries where someone could come straight out of high school and start a decent career.

    1. Re:Maybe this will help with real estate inflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land value inflation, fuelled by speculation & alternately, "cheap" money in the form of dodgy loans, or pools of capital accrued among plutocrats
      or those that would be like them.

      You can always build more houses. You can't make more land. You especially can't make more land in a "hot" location, and
      real estate has always been about "location, location, location" Location is really the main functional difference between Beverly Hills,
      Manhatten, and wherever it is YOU live.

      Many factors go into making one plot of dirt worth more than another, but viable land fit for human occupation is scarce. Building materials and labor, less so.

  20. Why even use bricks? by mattdunelm · · Score: 1

    Bricks are designed to be easily handled by itty bitty human hands, and they knit together nicer to form a stronger wall than, say, good old wattle and daub. They also weather well. On the other hand, why are we still using a material thats extremely heat conductive to build walls? They are as 19th century as the internal combustion engine. Lets move up the technology and build prefab walls out of aerogel composites in a gigafactory, then cut to shape on site. Or do away with walls entirely and just have carbon fibre frames and glass. Tall buildings could then easily be constructed faster by building the upper layers first on the floor, then hiking them up into the sky and leave all the heavy industry at ground floor.

    1. Re:Why even use bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Carbon fibre is much, much more expensive to produce than structural steel, even accounting for handling and whatnot costs. Plus carbon fiber structures' mechanical properties cannot be proven to a degree where it'd pass regulatory muster.

      Now do the same for whatever glass you thought you'd use for flooring. That shit's not featherweight you know, it's amorphous silica, similar to another form of artificial stone -- concrete.

    2. Re:Why even use bricks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even with a gigafactory you might never get aerogels cheap enough that homebuilders would consider them a viable alternative to wood, brick, or steel plus insulation. I've heard of flexible aerogels that don't degrade in contact with moisture, I would love for these to be cheap and plentiful.

      Carbon fiber frames (structural members) aren't nearly as strong as you might imagine.

    3. Re:Why even use bricks? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Because aerogel and carbon fiber are cheap.

      Also missing in your rant is that bricks are actually a pretty good insulator, since they have a lot of thermal mass.

      Finally, the limit on bricks is not human hands, but chemistry. You can't get the center of a larger brick to convert from clay to brick. Because of that thermal mass.

    4. Re:Why even use bricks? by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      In a lot of new construction, people use either precut composite panels (SIP) or prepoured concrete walls.

      SIPs come in a wide variety of materials, including metal plastic composites.

  21. Yet 20 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could buy a block house on a lake in Fla. for 45 and even with this wis bank block laying you will still want a million for the very same house.

  22. Re:Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does a exoskeleton eliminate jobs? You still need a skilled bricklayer in the thing...

  23. maybe you don't understand real estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do you know the three things that determine real estate value?

    Thay are:

    LOCATION

    LOCATION

    and

    LOCATION

    cost of labor is not in that list

  24. Not in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where we've for some reason halted all construction of brick and masonry buildings.

    Like 20 years ago

    1. Re:Not in the US by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      We have this abomination here in Oregon called Orenco Station, all 3-story wooden construction with brick facing to make it LOOK like an old fashioned downtown shopping area, despite being fairly disposable construction.

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  25. Nice, very nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're a lucky person.

  26. Trouble Ahead. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    N/T

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  27. Screw that, give me a demo bot by kfh227 · · Score: 1

    50 foot tall and takes a house out in 10 minutes. That's what I want.

  28. But: Does it do top-notch work? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    if it can't do work of at least the quality of a skilled, experienced, and talented bricklayer, then it doesn't matter how fast it can do it.
    Go talk to an actual bricklayer. He'll tell you that he could work a lot faster -- if no one cares what the quality of the work looks like. Almost anyone can hurry up and do something fast, but it'll likely be sloppy looking when they get done, and it might not even hold together properly.

    Keep in mind that, the last time I checked, they still can't build a robot that can fold laundry correctly, and compared to a human (even a human child) it takes so much longer that it's not even worth bothering with. Everyone is believing way too much of the hype about so-called, inaccurately-termed 'AI' and 'robots taking everyones jobs'. Everyone building these things also bought into the hype, invested a shitload of money, and is now desperately trying to cash in before Guido comes to break their kneecaps for not paying back the loans.

  29. Okay nobody freaked out about backhoes by coolmoe2 · · Score: 1

    They just ditched their shovels and I doubt you will find any construction workers that bitch about the "good ole shovel days".
    This is no different if you watched the video yes the robot works faster then people but it also has a considerable setup time for the sensors and lasers that guide it. Also they need people to load it with bricks and mortar at regular intervals as well. So don't go running away from the trades because there's a new tool on the construction site.

  30. Really? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I thought 3D printing with concrete was the future of the construction industry!

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  31. Aesthetics by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    Here's the problem: the most expensive bricks are more expensive because they are non-uniform. People like variations in size, color, and texture. Robots are only good at doing everything the same, and would only be able to work with uniform bricks.

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  32. Regardless of the ability to lay brick by John.Banister · · Score: 1

    The ability of a machine with an arm to know the position of the end of that arm in space and link it to a location in a plan has many uses in construction, even as similar robotics does in manufacturing smaller things. Just by using this technology to limit an excavator from digging where it should not would allow many property owners to rent a mini-excavator and dig out a basement, make a drainage ditch with an exact slope, etc.

    The brick laying attachment on the end of these machines will be out of a job about 10 minutes after on-site brick extruding comes to the market. Personally, I think the future is going to be on-site extruded insulating wall, either as ICF with poured structural concrete in the middle and channels cut for plumbing and wiring, or extruded around structural elements, plumbing and wiring that are put in place first. Probably there will be a few layers to the extrusion until a material is found that's good at both insulating and stopping intrusion by vermin.

  33. prefab by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    Brick laying and exoskeletons are probably not going to be big players. The best way of saving labor costs right now seems to be fabricating as many components in factories as possible. I expect you'll see a lot more prefab housing, prefab walls, prefab kitchens, prefab bathrooms, etc., with minimal amounts of work putting everything together at the building site.

  34. Re:Fake News! by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Exoskeletons create more jobs.

    Jobs for robots.

    Specifically, jobs for bricklaying robots.

    Just as humans would hide and bury skeletons in the concrete, robots would hide and bury exoskeletons.

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  35. Re:Fake News! by sycodon · · Score: 1

    So I need some brickwork done...about 1,000 bricks.

    Now, I hire one guy to spend a day laying those bricks. he gets paid a day's wages. (Ok, he's probably an illegal but work with me here)

    With the brick laying robot, they spend an hour laying those 1,000 bricks, presumably charge me for one hour's labor (materials separate) with maybe some robot fee or tax included, then the go on and do another 4-5 jobs that day.

    Automation usually lowers cost. Lower costs means more people can afford it, which means there will be more demand.

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  36. Re:Fake News! by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    That brick laying robot still has to have someone feed it bricks and mortar so it's more like you can pay the same guys to run it make his job easier and more productive.

  37. Had A Cup of Coffee, Pretty Cartoon by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    I noticed a couple things that might need further refinement, Proof of Concept, and last but not least Logistics it in the middle of a city. I'll catch the results on YouTube.

  38. It Beats Me by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Brick is such an inferior building method that i am surprised that it is legal to use and more shocked that a buyer would spend money on a brick home or office building. Brick fails too easily. An earthquake, nearby explosion or even a serious wind storm can bring down a brick building and it also does not do well in a fire. To me bringing in high tech robotics to build with brick is ludicrous.

  39. Cost of Housing is Constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bricks are only used for aesthetics. Here in Australia we're a bit stupid because we like to use brick veneers on timber-framed homes. The brick walls are tied to the timber frame so that they don't fall over - it's the timber frame that does all the load bearing.

    I've seen a couple of reports that have said that the cost of building a home in Australia (cost per square metre) has remained virtually constant for decades. The increase in housing prices has been driven by land values, sizes of homes increasing and the level of fit and finish increasing. (Anyone who has built a home can tell you that the level of fit and finish is where a lot of money can be sunk).

    Alternatives to bricks are becoming more common in Australia. Autoclaved aerated concrete panels are more expensive on a cost per square-metre basis, but overall about the same or cheaper than brick when factoring in labour. My brother built a home a couple of years ago and used that for all but the front of the house. Two guys clad the house in a day, whereas it would have taken a week for it to be done with brick. It's still a relatively uncommon material, but with increasing adoption the cost will come down.

  40. Hadrian X... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Far more sophisticated than this brick laying robot...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bW1vuCgEaA

  41. Re: Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You say that like it's the most difficult problem to solve - sounds simpler than the brick laying.

    At some point in the not too distant future automated trucks will all converge onto a site themselves, unpack their various robots which will then be given instructions and monitored by perhaps just a single person. Aside from the time it takes to properly cure things, time to build will surely reduce to a fraction of what it has been in the past along with the price tag.

  42. for posterity by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    The joke's on me here in a sense. You're trolling. You most likely aren't honestly participating in this discussion. Your response uses such faulty logic that is enough evidence of trolling on the face of it. Your sig just kind of confirms what your logic hints at. Anyway, said all that to say you are probably trolling.

    But for posterity I will go ahead and analyze your response:

    Oh? Pay more and a crowd of new people will instantly become journeyman bricklayers, having completed training and years of apprenticeship?

    This logical trickery is easy to spot. I didn't say anything of the sort. I affirmed OP's point that the problem is many employers who can afford to pay a proper wage do not, and that there is no "labor shortage" just a lack of employers willing to pay a fair wage.

    I didn't say some kind of thing would appear or anything of that nature.

    If it paid a fair wage it would attract qualified bricklayers, many of whom are doing something in construction already. Further, it would attract current construction workers to extend their existing skills.

    You're creating a false binary, really...as if there are only two options: 1. People with absolutely zero construction experience, and 2. "journeyman bricklayers, having completed training and years of apprenticeship"

    That's ridiculous. There are all kinds of workers in between, many who could be trained in a matter of days.

    That's one flaw in your point analyzed deeply. Your point has many flaws, but I'm only going to go in-depth a few.

    You have a shallow and simple-minded view of things, I'd say.

    This is just more evidence you are probably trolling. There's no point to saying this, especially in reply to someone who was simply affirming what someone else wrote.

    So there. I guess if future generations get bored enough to read this thread, at least they'll...well I don't even know at this point.

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    1. Re:for posterity by lgw · · Score: 1

      Pay a proper wage and this "labor shortage" will disappear immediately.

      Are "immediately" and "instantly" not synonyms to you?

      Changes don't happen fast for skilled work, and increasingly all work is skilled work. In the US anyway, the skilled trades are unionized or regulated such that you can't claim you're qualified to work on your own without a lengthy apprenticeship. Sure, semi-skilled construction workers could be motivated to "extend their skills", and in a couple of years we'd see the effect. Of course, there are only so many apprentice slots available, so the change will be slow even so.

      It's even more locked-down in parts of the EU, where you choose your trade in high school and are mostly locked into it.

      Bricklaying pays better than semi-skilled work, so it's not like there's some sizable pool of bricklayers (or plumbers, or electricians, or welders, etc) doing other work because wages are too low - that's the job they've spent years learning.

      You seem to have this job confused with unskilled work where people just need to show up and start working. There are few such jobs left in America.

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  43. Re:Fake News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it the job can be done more quickly (which an exoskeleton allegedly allows), it should be obvious that they would need to employ fewer people to complete a given job on a given schedule.... or are you just trolling?

  44. labour shortage ? by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    import Hellgians, if you can un-root them from their brick pile. I think we has too many here

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