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Bill Gates and Richard Branson Back Startup That Grows 'Clean Meat' (bloomberg.com)
A large global agricultural company has joined Bill Gates and Richard Branson to invest in a nascent technology to make meat from self-producing animal cells. "Memphis Meats, which produces beef, chicken and duck directly from animal cells without raising and slaughtering livestock or poultry, raised $17 million from investors including Cargill, Gates and billionaire Richard Branson, according to a statement Tuesday on the San Francisco-based startup's website," reports Bloomberg. From the report: This is the latest move by an agricultural giant to respond to consumers, especially Millennials, who are rapidly leaving their mark on the U.S. food world. That's happening through surging demand for organic products, increasing focus on food that's considered sustainable and greater attention on animal treatment. Big poultry and livestock processors have started to take up alternatives to traditional meat. To date, Memphis Meats has raised $22 million, signaling a commitment to the "clean-meat movement," the company said.
Can we please have some labelling laws so this thing can't be legally called "meat"?
There's enough problems with processed food already. Here we have a processed thing that did not even start from being food.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
It all started when my company replaced a certain amount of medical benefits with that stupid Virgin Pulse, track your steps taken each day crap.
Get a small dog and put it on the collar.
There is no evidence it will clean up the environment until we see what the energy balance, carbon foot print, and waste products are.
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I think Mr. Herbert had it right. We should start the engineering at the animal level and shoot for a creating a mindless animal that grows continuously without movement. Just shovel garbage in one end and slice meat off the other.
The slig is an awesome idea!
I'm concerned and I'd like to read a study that has not been sponsored by the industry hawking the product.
Ha ha ha. This bridge can reach not only Terabithia but up to Mars' orbit. Just count studies that say male genital mutilation has no or bad effect on STD transmission (most of them) vs ones that claim it is a miracle cure for AIDS (the ridiculously bad Orange Farms study, a few that have a conclusion that contradicts their own data, and that's it) -- then compare with what you read in press or even on Wikipedia. Or, see "not sponsored by the industry, honest" studies of tobacco and sugar a few decades ago. Or, gender wage gap. Or, global warming "not being caused by humans". Or...
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
"Microsoft meat" sounds about as appetizing as cockroach pie.
Does it include an EULA? It might really end the user.
Table-ized A.I.
There is no evidence it will clean up the environment until we see what the energy balance, carbon foot print, and waste products are.
At the very least, it won't belch methane.
I'd like to read a study that has not been sponsored by the industry hawking the product. I want an objective study.
I can't promise you an objective study, but if this ever actually takes off, there will be lots of "studies" from the existing meat industry about how horrible this is. This is currently in the experimental stage. The actual meat industry sells more meat in a day than the total money so far spent on every vat meat experiment combined. The actual meat industry will likely try to introduce FUD and likely won't have much problem getting people afraid of it as many people already are.
Yeah yeah look eco-authoritarian, when you harvest and clean all of the fruits and vegetables you eat, planting it and harvesting it with tools you made yourself, cooking and canning it over an open fire and wear it's skins while you gather nuts and berries, then come back and act all vegan on us.
That garbage works both ways. I did have the decency to fix your spelling error with "fire" too.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
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-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I don't think dogs qualify as clean meat.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Nature never intends anything, because intent requires an intelligence behind it, and nature itself is not an intelligent being.
That said, don't anthropomorphize nature. It hates that.
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She hates that! It's a 'she' you insensitive clod!
They're around, but they often demand things like wedding rings and marriage.
No growth hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, no Listeria, E-Coli, not washed with chlorine?
Disgusting!
Reminds me of the study to turn shit into butter where they claimed a 50% success. It spreads perfectly, but the taste is still off.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That wants to be eaten. Whose instincts have been carefully honed to feel that being eaten and enjoyed is the best thing that could happen to it. And make it articulate enough to express its desires. HHGTTG.
it gives people something to complain about because they have nothing better to do and didnt think of it themselves.
>this "clean meat" is just meat for the hygiene-obssessed elite.
Perhaps for some. For others it's the ability to put meat on the table with a small fraction of the environmental impact and none of the necessary cruelty involved in raising an animal for food.
It will belch CO2 and other noxious compounds as chemicals and raw materials are manufactured and delivered to food labs. Keep looking for the free lunch, I'm sure it's out there.
For others it's the ability to put meat on the table with a small fraction of the environmental impact and none of the necessary cruelty involved in raising an animal for food.
There's less cruelty necessarily involved in raising an animal for food than there is in your morning commute. There is such a thing as free range meat (though to be fair, it's more than meat at the time at which it's ranging) and there are slaughterhouses designed to calm animals and keep them ignorant of their fate. They live a short and unremarkable life, then die quickly and painlessly. Of course, there's more animals suffering than have to, but it's not a necessity. Animals running around turning native grasses into crap is also a net environmental benefit... if they're not horribly inefficient cows. Even that problem could theoretically be fixed, though. On feedlots (which are cruel) it's feasible to feed the cows additives to address their methane production. It's not clear what can be done to correct this problem for free-range cattle, but it's not inconceivable that their methane emissions could be reduced somehow.
Meanwhile, I'm having a hard time imagining making meat in factories having zero or positive environmental impact.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Only if it's grown naturally and without pesticides. Which makes sense, ergot has no chance to grow with modern fungicides...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No burgers. I only eat veal because of the cruel way cattle are butchered. Veal calves are left to die of loneliness, the way nature intended.
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
Geeez, Americans spend that much on hamburgers every hour.
Ahh, yes, body shaming from the "tolerant" Leftist.
Where is the "body shaming"? The first post seemed to be pretty close to factual. One source suggests that the annual consumption of hamburgers in the US is around 50 billion burgers. If we say that on average a burger costs $2 (assuming more are consumed at inexpensive places than not), that is $100B per year on hamburgers in this country. Divide by 365 days and we're looking at ~$273M per day, divide by 24 and we're around $11.4M per hour - assuming that the average burger is $2. If the average is closer to $4 then we hit the $22M the original comment was pointing to.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
We KNOW from this thing called SCIENCE that diet impacts the development of humans. In fact we can see that today because we have people and countries in extreme poverty who have crap diets. We know from evolutionary biology that diet has played a role in our evolution, and have plenty of SCIENCE to back the impact.
I never claimed that this lab meat would cause mysterious illness, you pulled that statement out of your ass because you believe in a religion and rational thought is scary to you.
I said I would wait for the science to see the impact because we lack any such science at this time. You on the other hand believe your deities and religious leaders. Hence your attempt at insinuating that wanting to see real science on the subject is "pseudoscience". Proving that you know a word, but have no clue what it means.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
So the test tube chicken rumors are true :-/
The most disgusting thing I have eaten recently is the "beyond meaty" burger at our local chain. As gross as eating raw meat and a repulsive as eating something that has been processed and reprocesses. Like eating vegan " pink slime " http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/he...
>There's less cruelty necessarily involved in raising an animal for food than there is in your morning commute.
It's a matter of whether the blood's on our hands or Nature's. And the most efficient methods are not pleasant.
>I'm having a hard time imagining making meat in factories having zero or positive environmental impact.
They would require far less water and land than raising animals. After all, you aren't supporting a brain, mobility, or reproductive systems. You're only growing the meat.
Because it involves shooting a metal bolt into an animal's head, slitting its throat then trying to remove its skin, guts, head and feet without getting any of its bacteria-laden shit on the meat. A dirty business altogether.
In that case, better not contemplate eggs and mushrooms.
I don't think eggs and mushrooms contribute the same level of greenhouse gases as cows and pigs.
The "dirty" part of dirty meat is in its environmental footprint. I will eat the new clean meat overlords as long as they taste like chicken or pork chops.
You are welcome on my lawn.
It's a matter of whether the blood's on our hands or Nature's. And the most efficient methods are not pleasant.
Not pleasant to watch, maybe. Not horribly unpleasant to experience; a few seconds of confusion, and then death. Certainly much better than most of the ways we execute humans.
After all, you aren't supporting a brain, mobility, or reproductive systems. You're only growing the meat.
Most of that stuff is just made out of meat, you know... Our brains use a lot of resources, a cow's... not so much.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
They would require far less water and land than raising animals. After all, you aren't supporting a brain, mobility, or reproductive systems. You're only growing the meat.
Meat that has been finely butchered also has much of the fat already trimmed from it. If the meat that is being produced is already in a trimmed state for best flavor, then there is less food waste. This could include inedible waste, such as bone.
However, Drinkypoo (as ironic as the name seems to me right now) may be considering the waste produced from the metabolism of the animal cells being cultivated. Invariably, food goes in, shit comes out. How this theoretical waste is processed, recyled or disposed of on an industrial scale is something to consider.
I will eat the new clean meat overlords as long as they taste like chicken or pork chops.
One of the enjoyable things about pork chops is how the taste and texture differs across the chop, with the most succulent meat being next to the fat rind and along the bone. I think that's a target that will be hard to reach for vat grown meat.
Similar with chicken - unless associating chicken with nuggets, crispy skin and meat that varies depending on where it is is part of the experience.
I can see it more as a substitute for ground meat and pink slime.
My main concern is that the vat doesn't have a working immune system, unlike the animals. What will they have to do to ensure the meat is safe?
You have made it clear you aren't as short on opinion as you are on knowledge.
You have made it clear you aren't as short on opinion as you are on knowledge.
You have made it clear that you're a whiner.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Ahh, yes, body shaming from the "tolerant" Leftist.
I don't think the left has been promoting tolerance in the general sense of tolerating different opinions for at least a decade and more like two. Bill Clinton was probably the last of the tolerant left. Now they are more the Maoist left complete with goon squads.
Well, I have determined it can be amusing to fool MILF Nature.
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My main concern is that the vat doesn't have a working immune system, unlike the animals. What will they have to do to ensure the meat is safe?
Chemical antibiotics. Tanker trucks full.
Will this result in the breeding of superbugs that will cause a national pandemic, wiping out 80% of the population? Yes. Yes it will.
The only people left will be the fanatic vegans and the animal meat eaters. Then the animal meat eaters will kill the vegans and eat them, leaving only 10% of the current population, thus ushering in the New Utopia.
False equivalency and appeal to ignorance, followed immediately by another appeal to ignorance. We DO NOT HAVE any long term studies from this artificial meat. The future is definable once we have facts, but you have NONE! There are no long term studies on animals for eating this stuff either. Perhaps you are so stupid you believe that diet has no impact on children, but we have SCIENCE that proves that it does have impact. Here is a very simple product for you to investigate to prove me correct and you an ignorant and inconsiderate prick who is fine with people being harmed by your belief in religion. prenatal vitamins
You then jump right to a false equivalency, and repeat the same appeal to ignorance that can be proven wrong with SCIENCE. How about comparing this meat to a product like Cigarettes, which were advertised for the better part of a century as beneficial to your health. Do you see how ingesting cigarette smoke, or perhaps red dye #5 might be more similar to eating food grown in a lab? Oh, probably not. Your priest class may burn your eyes out for reading such heathen speak.
You follow that brilliance up with a flat out lie. I'll bet you start bragging about your 80 IQ to back that crystal ball reading statement up though. Perhaps you read it in one of your religious pamphlets your masters gave you to worship. I'm sure they told you all about their prophesy that naysayer heathens would speak out against your religion.
You then move to another false claim, and you demonstrate it's falsehood in your second sentence (though you are probably not smart enough to understand that part). Another false claim, and the grand finale is the old appeal to emotion. Your masters surely know what's best for you, no need for self think and all that.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
It can suffocate you and is a green house gas. Or did you miss that discussion of the last part over the last 40 years?
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You'll find it in the pseudo-science aisle right next to perpetual motion.
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dominate the top of slashdot since the elections or at least it looks like that, i almost miss back in the days of soviet slashdot and .firstpost
so what do the vegans have to say on this ? i mean ... its GMaterial but its not really "harming" animals ... ??!?
is this okay or not ? according to you lot ? but you lot doesn't live here does it ... even the slashdotians from arcturus and beyond seemed to have moved to deeper places ... i cant blame them ... a bit of cock and yo mommas ass is always fun but its been a literal shitstorm of bad genitalia puns or maybe im just reading all the wrong posts ... is this because its one of the last sites where you can use the words without being censored or banned or is it part of the trumpian offense to ban all thought originating in the upper brain ? (you know where the lower brain lies, you mention it about 100 times in the first two posts)
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?