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DC Judge Approves Government Warrant For Data From Anti-Trump Website (reuters.com)
According to Reuters, a D.C. Superior Court judge on Thursday approved a government warrant seeking data from an anti-Trump website related to Inauguration Day protests, but he added protections to safeguard "innocent users." From the report: Chief Judge Robert Morin said DreamHost, a Los Angeles-based web-hosting company, must turn over data about visitors to the website disruptj20.org, which is a home to political activists who organized protests at the time of Donald Trump's inauguration as U.S. president in January. Morin, who will oversee review of the data, said the government must explain what protocols it will use to make sure prosecutors do not seize the data of "innocent users." Morin said at a hearing on Thursday that he recognized the tension between free speech rights and law enforcement's need to search digital records for evidence. He said he added safeguards to his order granting the government's request for information in an effort to balance those two concerns. Besides reviewing the prosecutors' privacy protocols, Morin also shortened the time frame for records to those generated from October to Inauguration Day and instructed the prosecutors to explain why anything they want to seize is germane to the investigation.
...following that link and landing on a Reuters page about the eclipse?
This is fucked, we have every right to protest, riot, and destroy any property to express dismay that a Cheeto somehow got a bunch of retards to elect it president.
And the libertarians will still claim that both parties are still the same.
Even though libertarians are just republican't who want legal weed./p.
I just can't believe I was tricked into reading another solar eclipse article.
Hope it was worth it.
Buttery mails
VPN to VPN to VPN to TOR to VPN to TOR
We used to get upset that he wouldn't show us his birth certificate, but has anybody seen Trump's?
Despite the 'restrictions' the judge placed on the inquiry, and timeframe, was this more allowed through to set a precedent?
Granted I don't know a whole lot about disruptj20.org, but unless criminal code violations have actually occurred, I'm having a hard time seeing how this is just?
Or is that the point. Get the precedent set here, for intended future 'fishing expeditions'?
Here is the link to the real story:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-dreamhost-idUSKCN1B41ZC
When these folks protested and smashed windows of Starbucks and cars and truck in streets of D.C .. those company's rented from federal government ..you might as well tried to damage a mail hub or FBI offices the punishment is the same . attacking these buildings gave feds free reign to look and connect the dots and find out who ordered and ploted this ...now all leftists shout not fair and how dare they .. next time look before you leap into the fire
Either think twice about posting it, or learn how to protect your identity online. You can use throw away email addresses, fake names, a good vpn service that doesn't log, and a browser setup not to leak so much information about you.
Also, consider the privacy policy of the service(s) you are posting on. Do they keep logs? If so, for how long? Logged IP addresses don't need to be kept for much longer than 30 days. That's more than enough time to react to some form of abuse of the platform. If the logs of IP's aren't there, the government can't ask for them. While taking issue with a government for asking for this data makes sense, it also makes sense to apply pressure to these services to stop enabling government fishing expeditions by cleaning up their logs regularly. Keeping logs of IP's for long periods of time are never in the interest of the users... means the service either intends to sell or misuse the data, or they are just too lazy to care about their customer's privacy.
Learn to navigate the internet safely, or others will use it to harm you.
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Seems prudent to me. Find out who these criminals are. Run bankground checks. Arrest those who don't pass. See where their
money is going. Use forfeiture laws to confiscate their servers. They are going down big time, yugely bigly!
Government is really on a hell of a fishing expedition here.
I highly doubt there's any planning of violence/vandalism on the site. That sort of stuff sounds like spur of the moment stuff. Do they really think protesters, in general, go out with malicious intent?
Fishy fishing expedition is fishy.
I have a feeling that the DoJ is doing this primarily to bring some sort of conspiracy charges against particular people that haven't already been charged. They're not going to charge random visitors to the site who went there once or two and that was it because it would be an unwinnable case.
can't say the same about Obama!
How is this modded up? Please mods, every dream host story he posts this same message. For fucks sake do your jobs and mod this shit off topic please. No one is asking about dream host service. There are hundreds of websites that offer that info.
TLDR: do your jobs and mod this loser down for off topic bullshit.
Judge Robert Morin was appointed to the court by President Clinton, and moved to the Chief Judge position by President Obama. I think it's safe to say he's not a "GOP lackey"...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
What's wrong with shouting out an excellent web hosting provider that provides great service and protects users from an overreaching government lawsuit?
Nothing. Once. But doing it over and over and over and over and over and over like an autistic stuck in a loop? Yeah.
According to the article, the judge did not just rubber-stamp it.
Which is basically a precedence setting first! Said judge is apparently requiring the govt/DoJ to specifically justify the requests.
It will be _VERY_ interesting to see what happens.
However, it is unclear to me (IANAL) if this judge "has standing" to issue such an order - Dreamhost (Los Angeles, CA) is nowhere near D.C (District of Columbia).
Hilarious that either side is seen for 'us'.
What comfort comes with the knowledge that our rights are gone, transformed or redefined? Yaaay the D's did and the R's didn't or visa-versa!!!! It is being done by both, no champions.
Maybe if I could see one side being for my beliefs or some semblance I wouldn't feel so utterly dissapointed with my fellow citizens.
Hey, you have to right to say most anything you want but when you start conspiring to start riots, that's where your rights end.
i wonder how that scales to 1.3 million IPs
It's still illegal.
Republicans do not use the IRS to suppress opposition
When you use the name of a political movement in your non-profit, expect it to be questioned.
Republicans do not use political correctness to suppress free speech
Republicans neither threaten nor use violence
Hate speech falls from Republicans like of Milo and Dick Spencer falls under the category of inciting violence--ultimately genocide. Defend nazis you're a god damn nazi. Lib's have tried ignoring god damn nazis here for 60+ years, and finally learned that ignoring them and supporting their free speech only creates more nazis. We first learned the only way to deal with nazis back in the 40s--you might be familiar with it.
And no, I'm not talking about nazi, like how glen beck used the term, I'm talking about the swastika wielding motherfuckers and their allies trying to be PC themselves by calling themselves the Alt-Right.
"civil disobedience" comes with consequences and to take responsibility for your words and actions all in an effort to support your righteous cause. Free speech also comes with the same unpleasant consequences. If you refuse to take responsibility for your words and actions you should probably shut up and let the grownups talk for a while. And there has never been a successful social movement in the US with a leader named Anonymous. And if you want to see a real example of "civil disobedience" look no further than the civil rights struggle in the 60's. Protesters were willing to be beaten, imprisoned, and even killed all in the name of supporting their cause. Today's "civil disobedience" pales in comparision.
Let them taste baton! Let the smashing of skulls and the slashing of faces begin!
>start conspiring to start riots
is there any proof of that ?
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
Honestly, only way I can see any reasonable person be upset over this is if they don't know about the riots that took place under Trump's inauguration, that this site was used to organize the demonstrations and that the information request is limited to rioting-related posts.
I can understand that people are frustrated with Trump and his election as president, but that doesn't give anyone the right to ignore the rule of law and go around destroying both public and private property. Even the "we're fighting white supremacy" excuse some of these people give falls flat on it's face when you remember that the rioters torched a limo taxi owned by a muslim immigrant who used that limo taxi to make a living for himself.
Seriously, doing something on the internet does not entitle you to protection from government information requests and if you believe that, then you probably deserve all the grief you get from being convicted of the illegal activity you thought you could get away with.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
Was meant as a warning, not an instruction manual.
The people at the riots - the ones arrested for smashing and burning stuff - said there is. So the police got a warrant that allows them to view the IDs of people that made the posts, to see if the IDs correspond to the people that were arrested.
Also, perhaps, the police will be able to identify the people that participated in or helped organize the rioting but escaped arrest.
This is not a 'witch hunt' against an 'anti-Trump site'. This is a standard warrant to investigate those involved in criminal activity. The fact this the news is trying to make this a big deal shows how anti-Trump everything has become.
your riots are my, "civil disobedience"
The definition, well one definition anyway, of "civil disobedience" is: the refusal to comply with certain laws considered unjust, as a peaceful form of political protest.
And that of a "riot": a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd
So, pretty much by definition, a riot is not a form of civil disobedience.
You can pretend to hold the moral high ground all you like, you can pretend that all you're doing is protesting an unjust system, an unfit president, whatever, but in reality we all know you're being a violent thug, and you deserve no hiding place from the consequences of your violent actions.
Your civil disobedience should earn you a free helicopter ride.
The concern about this being a potential 'witch hunt' came from a belief that the warrant was overly broad and would result in the seizure of data on people unconnected to any criminal activity. The judge apparently agreed with this assessment and put limits on the data to be seized while also requiring protections to be put in place to prevent innocent users from being affected. It was a big deal because people have no faith that anyone in the government will do the right thing anymore. Not that there has ever really been any reason to expect anyone to do the right thing, but at least in the past we used to pretend that it was likely to happen.
I'm sure there is if a judge issued a warrant.