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DC Judge Approves Government Warrant For Data From Anti-Trump Website (reuters.com)
According to Reuters, a D.C. Superior Court judge on Thursday approved a government warrant seeking data from an anti-Trump website related to Inauguration Day protests, but he added protections to safeguard "innocent users." From the report: Chief Judge Robert Morin said DreamHost, a Los Angeles-based web-hosting company, must turn over data about visitors to the website disruptj20.org, which is a home to political activists who organized protests at the time of Donald Trump's inauguration as U.S. president in January. Morin, who will oversee review of the data, said the government must explain what protocols it will use to make sure prosecutors do not seize the data of "innocent users." Morin said at a hearing on Thursday that he recognized the tension between free speech rights and law enforcement's need to search digital records for evidence. He said he added safeguards to his order granting the government's request for information in an effort to balance those two concerns. Besides reviewing the prosecutors' privacy protocols, Morin also shortened the time frame for records to those generated from October to Inauguration Day and instructed the prosecutors to explain why anything they want to seize is germane to the investigation.
I just can't believe I was tricked into reading another solar eclipse article.
Despite the 'restrictions' the judge placed on the inquiry, and timeframe, was this more allowed through to set a precedent?
Granted I don't know a whole lot about disruptj20.org, but unless criminal code violations have actually occurred, I'm having a hard time seeing how this is just?
Or is that the point. Get the precedent set here, for intended future 'fishing expeditions'?
Here is the link to the real story:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-dreamhost-idUSKCN1B41ZC
Following due process to subpoena records relevant to a criminal case is not "fucked."
Liberals didn't complain when Obama Administration lied about tapping data of every cell phone, or when it was caught spying on Americans (multiple times) for political gain.
Sorry, but Libertarians are the ONLY ones calling out the hypocrisy of both the D and R parties, who use government to oppress their opponents.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I'm liberal. I care that both are doing this and will call out both until it stops.
Liberals didn't complain when Obama Administration lied about tapping data of every cell phone, or when it was caught spying on Americans (multiple times) for political gain.
You seem to have mistaken the transgendered person who went to jail for leaking that information and all the people who supported her for conservatives.
I think Trump is not eligible to be president.
No one, not even Trump; has ever claimed that Obama's mother was anything other than a white girl from the midwest, born in the USA to parents who were also born in the USA.
This fact alone should prove that Obama was eligible to run for president.
But, get this:
Trump, however, was born from a foreign mother, who was possibly not a valid US citizen at the time!
Trumps mother was a 'evil foreigner'! That's a fact.
Also; we have no idea who Trumps father actually was!
I've seen no DNA test proving who Trumps father was.
I've also not seen Trumps original long form birth certificate.
It is my opinion until I see proof otherwise; that Trump's ALIEN mother had a dalliance with another evil smelly foreigner and that Trump Sr. was cuckolded. Hence the Donald is the result of that evil, unholy union.
Therefore he is not a 'True American' and not eligible to be President.
To fix this;
All Trump needs to do is exhume his 'fathers' remains live on TV.
Then submit to a on-air blood and DNA test, and then produce to me personally his original long form birth certificate.
Anything less is unamerican!
These are valid questions!
The people deserve to know!
Isn't it CRAZY that a guy who could not shut up about Obama's birth certificate and actually has bigger eligibility problems himself got others with the same 'birther' concerns to vote for him?
Why is it that some people consider the question of Obama's eligibility to be fair game, but not Trump who actually HAS valid eligibility questions??
Hmmmmm..
What is the difference between the two men?
What could it POSSIBLY be?
Oh, that's right.. I forgot.
Black = foreign
Orange = American?
WTF?
"Am I the only one following that link and landing on a Reuters page about the eclipse?"
That's just Goatse.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Either think twice about posting it, or learn how to protect your identity online. You can use throw away email addresses, fake names, a good vpn service that doesn't log, and a browser setup not to leak so much information about you.
Also, consider the privacy policy of the service(s) you are posting on. Do they keep logs? If so, for how long? Logged IP addresses don't need to be kept for much longer than 30 days. That's more than enough time to react to some form of abuse of the platform. If the logs of IP's aren't there, the government can't ask for them. While taking issue with a government for asking for this data makes sense, it also makes sense to apply pressure to these services to stop enabling government fishing expeditions by cleaning up their logs regularly. Keeping logs of IP's for long periods of time are never in the interest of the users... means the service either intends to sell or misuse the data, or they are just too lazy to care about their customer's privacy.
Learn to navigate the internet safely, or others will use it to harm you.
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"You seem to have mistaken the transgendered person who went to jail for leaking that information"
James Clapper is a trans? When did they jail him?
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Take it back to FDR, seriously. 'Echelon' started informally during WWII, formalized after. USA, UK and Australia are banned from spying on their own citizens. So they've been spying on each others citizens for 80 years now. And it has expanded to include other nations since.
The spooks maintained a database of all the phone numbers you've ever repeatedly called (Metadata) for about the same length of time. Was once the world's largest database. They know who you know. They can tell you who your friends were in middle school.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Uh, yes we did.
Government is really on a hell of a fishing expedition here.
I highly doubt there's any planning of violence/vandalism on the site. That sort of stuff sounds like spur of the moment stuff. Do they really think protesters, in general, go out with malicious intent?
Fishy fishing expedition is fishy.
s/James Clapper/Edward Snowden/
Clapper is the one who did the spying for the Obama administration.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Notice his phrasing. He isn't even claiming to have done it in the past, just promises to do so in the future. Expect him to forget his promise with the next turnover.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I have a feeling that the DoJ is doing this primarily to bring some sort of conspiracy charges against particular people that haven't already been charged. They're not going to charge random visitors to the site who went there once or two and that was it because it would be an unwinnable case.
Nor did Republicans complain when Bush II started the spying and I still don't hear any of them crying now that Trump is doing it. Meet the new boss: Same as the old boss. (the Who)
Where did you get the idea that all property in Washington DC is owned by the federal government?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Yup. Exactly. And clinton and bush, they all built upon the previous.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Just because you didn't see the opposition to these breaches of privacy and 4th amendment protections doesn't mean it didn't happen and you're an idiot if you think that.
This massive breach in privacy is an attempt to sustain prosecutions of hundereds of innocent people that the Police rounded up and charged with Rioting just because they were in the area including journalists. The prosecution angle that Federal justice is taking in this case is that if you were within the vicinity of the protest that involved the destruction of property you are guilty of rioting. Now after arresting and charging these 200 people the Prosecution is fishing for evidence and attempting to convict people for the actions of others simply because they were present.
This whole case is a vast overreach by the DC police and federal prosecutors. Everyone involved should be fired, particularly the chief of the DC police.
You seem to have "liberals" confused with "corporate democrats". My interpretation of liberalism is this: give me all the rights and freedoms.
So you're saying they're Santa Claus?
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Frankly, I've got the impression that most people don't really give a shit at all. Intrusive policies by either party when they are in power just don't seem to resonate with most people. Yes, such policies offend privacy advocates, civil liberties advocates, libertarians and a good portion of the tech community, but the great unwashed; liberal or conservative, either don't give a shit or in many cases actually seem to think encroachment is worth it (despite the fact that few advocates of increased surveillance seem able or willing to point to concrete benefits).
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
But you have to admit, many (most) liberals didn't really care because it was against Republicans
You are confused. Nobody has to admit that. You are the one making the claim, so you have to prove it.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
How is this modded up? Please mods, every dream host story he posts this same message. For fucks sake do your jobs and mod this shit off topic please. No one is asking about dream host service. There are hundreds of websites that offer that info.
TLDR: do your jobs and mod this loser down for off topic bullshit.
Liberals didn't complain when Obama Administration lied about tapping data of every cell phone, or when it was caught spying on Americans (multiple times) for political gain.
That's because you were unable to recognize that your imaginary events were treated as fiction, not reality. Jade Dragon, not real. FEMA camps? Made up. IRS audits? Nothing but routine business that the right-wing got hysterical over. Benghazi? A tragedy that the GOP investigated for months, and ended up with nothing for all their grandstanding. And the GOP bought into it, by electing the birther-in-chief. Who really did want to pardon Joe "Civil Rights are a Joke" Arpaio.
Sorry, but Libertarians are the ONLY ones calling out the hypocrisy of both the D and R parties, who use government to oppress their opponents.
No, they aren't. They're too busy going silent on Marijuana legalization, freaking out over wedding cakes, and trying to scam us with another stock bubble. It was the same in the Bush administration. Complete silence after years of disingenuous babble over Clinton.
Civil Libertarians are a joke, with no political acumen, less integrity, and a deficit of value. The only reason for their existence is to give the right-wing authoritarians a false legitimacy with a group concocted to simply attack their enemies while offering deniability.
You're one of them, as demonstrated by your constant reversion to attacks on Obama to defend the Trump administration combined. It is kinda obvious.
At least if you admitted you were a Trump stalwart, you would be honest about that.
Chelsea Manning, whom Obama tripped over himself pardoning as he ran on the door of the Whitehouse. Practically, on his last day as president.
I wonder if that pardon has some string attached that he/she* wouldn't talk after pardoned.
*I said he/she here because I really don't know what to call him/her.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
Judge Robert Morin was appointed to the court by President Clinton, and moved to the Chief Judge position by President Obama. I think it's safe to say he's not a "GOP lackey"...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
"Chelsea Manning"
Nope. S/he leaked military documents about the US middle-east wars. Bradley/Chelsea wasn't involved in lying "about tapping data of every cell phone" or "spying on Americans", which is what you were responding to. It was Clapper who lied about that, and Snowden who leaked the proof that he lied. Neither are trans. Neither are in jail.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Okay. Clapper it is then.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
Keep holding the morons 'feet to the fire' is all any of us can do. Part of that is not accepting bullshit at face value from any of the Republicrats.
ACA was passed entirely by the Ds, they own it. Trump can just let it fail, as constructed and intended. That's what will move replacement forward in something like a bipartisan way, eventually, once the situation becomes truly fucked. I hope they just punt it down to the states, but doubt they have the wisdom.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Thats now Libertarian, not Liberal.
"His name was James Damore."
Who started the widespread surveillance? You're off by decades. It goes back _at_least_ to WWII.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
> Frankly, I've got the impression that most people don't really give a shit at all.
I have to agree with that. I've been disappointed by mass spying under all of the presidents (including Trump). I'm disappointed, but not at all surprised, that none of them have ended that.
That said, this is a pretty ordinary warrant. They can make a good case that it's not a fishing expedition and that it's to help bring conspiracy charges against people they've already arrested for rioting. That said, if they do go on a fishing expedition with this data, feel free to criticize them for that. Of course, that would most likely require additional warrants against the ISPs to unmask the subscriber(s) who own those IPs, so it shouldn't be impossible to tell if they're going after people they caught for felony rioting or organizing the violence or if they're just searching random IPs that weren't connected to anything.
According to the article, the judge did not just rubber-stamp it.
Which is basically a precedence setting first! Said judge is apparently requiring the govt/DoJ to specifically justify the requests.
It will be _VERY_ interesting to see what happens.
However, it is unclear to me (IANAL) if this judge "has standing" to issue such an order - Dreamhost (Los Angeles, CA) is nowhere near D.C (District of Columbia).
Hilarious that either side is seen for 'us'.
What comfort comes with the knowledge that our rights are gone, transformed or redefined? Yaaay the D's did and the R's didn't or visa-versa!!!! It is being done by both, no champions.
Maybe if I could see one side being for my beliefs or some semblance I wouldn't feel so utterly dissapointed with my fellow citizens.
Hey, you have to right to say most anything you want but when you start conspiring to start riots, that's where your rights end.
The ACA was passed by the Ds _broken_. On the assumption they would be in charge when the shit hit the fan.
Now it sucks to be them, it's going to fail when they have no power, but they still own the mess. Twisting in the wind. 18% got a shitty insurance plan, but 82% had their insurance made _much_ worse.
The Ds own it, forever. The Rs will stretch the pain, they can't lose on this.
My hope remains that Trump triggers both sides to dump the MAD dirt they have on the other. Then we get two new parties.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
All I see here is "My ideology is pure and the best, everyone else endorses what I see as wrong with the world, especially those that disagree with me most"
Give me a break you hack
I ignore Anonymous Coward posts. If you want to discuss something, that's awesome. Log in.
before ACA, my insurance was always going up. always. never once did it level off or go down.
ACA happened. they can no longer deny people because of 'pre-conditions' (whatever the hell that really means).
but the prices are still going up.
guess what, rent goes up. cost of food goes up. my salary? well, not so much. the rich want to keep paying us as little as possible, of course.
but to blame ACA for health insurance costs is beyond stupid. no matter WHAT happens, the rich will seize any chance to rob us all blind.
but again, at least they can't cancel us because of pre-conditions. what was a huge win. if you don't understand, maybe you will once you get to a certain age and have lost your 100% perfect health, as we ALL do, over time!
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
That might have been funny, pre Snowden. Now it just sounds stupid.
There are two specific points in my post. They can be researched.
Nobody has formally asked the 'when did metadata collection begin' question. The database geek world was quietly talking about the associates database in the 80s. Nobody could prove anything, but that kind of data collection had to leave tracks through every local phone company, I bet they were shipping tapes in MANY cases. The buzz was much later confirmed, but no start date was ever publicly discussed.
The other part ('Three eyes' 'Echelon' etc) are as well documented as that kind of thing can be.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It's still illegal.
Liberals didn't complain when Obama Administration lied about tapping data of every cell phone
Yeah they did.
I know you hate Liberals and therefore assume that everything you disapprove of must be liked by liberals. That however doesn't make it true.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
If just one non-Libertarian calls out the hypocrisy in both D and R camps your original argument is false. This is the danger with such arguments.
>start conspiring to start riots
is there any proof of that ?
Yes, I'm left. You have a problem with that?
Honestly, only way I can see any reasonable person be upset over this is if they don't know about the riots that took place under Trump's inauguration, that this site was used to organize the demonstrations and that the information request is limited to rioting-related posts.
I can understand that people are frustrated with Trump and his election as president, but that doesn't give anyone the right to ignore the rule of law and go around destroying both public and private property. Even the "we're fighting white supremacy" excuse some of these people give falls flat on it's face when you remember that the rioters torched a limo taxi owned by a muslim immigrant who used that limo taxi to make a living for himself.
Seriously, doing something on the internet does not entitle you to protection from government information requests and if you believe that, then you probably deserve all the grief you get from being convicted of the illegal activity you thought you could get away with.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
your riots are my, "civil disobedience"
The definition, well one definition anyway, of "civil disobedience" is: the refusal to comply with certain laws considered unjust, as a peaceful form of political protest.
And that of a "riot": a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd
So, pretty much by definition, a riot is not a form of civil disobedience.
You can pretend to hold the moral high ground all you like, you can pretend that all you're doing is protesting an unjust system, an unfit president, whatever, but in reality we all know you're being a violent thug, and you deserve no hiding place from the consequences of your violent actions.
Actually, what I see here (as with most of what passes as 'political discussion' these days) are elaborate:
"I know you are but what am I?" Conversations, where everyone seems to defend the actions of their 'side' by pointing out something terrible done by the other side, as if 'they did something bad, so we get to do something bad,' is some sort of justification.
I wish people would stop being blindly devoted to political parties, and support candidates who behave well and ACTUALLY represent your needs (regardless of party).
I wish people would stop trolling based politics (I voted for / took the position / said the thing / X just to piss off the other guys)
I wish people would stop building straw-man positions for the other side (particularly asinine situational equivalences, are people really too stupid to see the differences, or do they purposely act ignorant just because it furthers their cause?) .
I wish people would stop purposely finding the most offensive interpretation of the comments (I am often amazed at the mental gymnastics here, where a speaker can be simultaneously an idiot and incompetent but somehow is attributed with the linguistic skills to have 'purposely and carefully crafted a coded message.').
But mostly I wish people would stop politicizing issues that have nothing to do with right or left politics... things like Government surveillance, something everyone should be wary of and want to minimize - how does this even become a right/left argument issue (other then through straw man accusations)?
Why are we doing this to our selves?
That's the best example you can give? Kaepernick? Well, when he gets fired from a job because someone complained about him to the Human Resources — then you'll have a counter-argument.
You sole citation seriously equates government-sponsored "safe spaces" — from which people are excluded based on their race — with web-sites (like Breitbart), to which everyone is welcome? Pathetic drivel intended for the pathetic Illiberal stinkies... Like yourself.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Sure, we can basically claim the surveillance state started with the advent of the telephone and telegraph. We know that there was a big jump in surveillance after WWII with the cold war. There was also another big jump in domestic spying related to the war on drugs. This wasn't about the history of domestic spying. The comment was in response to a domestic surveillance program started under the Bush II administration:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...