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Mayweather-McGregor Streaming Glitches Prompt Lawsuit Against Showtime (hollywoodreporter.com)

Customers who paid $99.99 to watch the Conor McGregor-Floyd Mayweather fight are suing Showtime due to the quality of their stream and buffering issues. From a report via Hollywood Reporter: Portland, Ore., boxing fan Zack Bartel paid to stream the fight in high-definition through the Showtime app but says all he saw was "grainy video, error screens, buffer events, and stalls." Bartel is suing Showtime for unlawful trade practices and unjust enrichment, alleging the network rushed its pay-per-view streaming service to the market without securing the bandwidth necessary to support the scores of cable-cutting fans. The complaint, which is largely composed of screenshots and tweets, is seeking for each member of the class actual damages or $200 in statutory damages, whichever is greater. The proposed class includes Oregon consumers who viewed Showtime's app advertisement on iTunes and paid $99.99 to stream the fight, but were unable to view the fight live on the app "in HD at 1080p resolution and at 60 frames per second, and who experienced ongoing grainy video, error screens, buffer events, and stalls instead." Showtime senior vp sports communications director, Chris DeBlasio, says: "We have received a very limited number of complaints and will issue a full refund for any customer who purchased the event directly from Showtime and were unable to receive the telecast." DeBlasio recommends users contact their cable or satellite provider if they experienced any issues.

118 comments

  1. Here in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream, so they're obviously not taking about us.

    1. Re:Here in Seattle... by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream, so they're obviously not taking about us.

      Ain't that the truth. Not to mention data caps now.

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    2. Re:Here in Seattle... by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      But now you know that is Showtime's fault. Sue!

    3. Re:Here in Seattle... by Glarimore · · Score: 1

      Any more info on this? Curious why bandwidth is so bad in Seattle... I was considering moving there at some point.

  2. I too will now make a foolish purchase by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1, Funny

    I'm going to spend a hundred to buy a nice dinner and movie, enjoy a game of mini golf, give a few bucks to charity, and then go on Amazon to buy a miniature violin. Said violin should also prove useful when dealing with people who pay a thousand dollars for an "Ivery(TM)" plastic backscratcher.

    1. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      I'll need to see an itemized receipt for how/where you can do all that for $100. Not saying it can't be done, but ...

    2. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, read your post too quickly and assumed it was dinner and a movie for *two* people. $100 should be enough, my bad.

    3. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by jmccue · · Score: 4, Funny

      assumed it was dinner and a movie for *two* people

      How can you assume this ? This slashdot, right ?

    4. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      So you don't care about fraud and corruption so long as you have a reason to make fun of the victim? Nice.

      I will take your "few bucks" and add a zero or two.

      That's not a pissing match you are going to win.

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      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    5. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Well, dinner + movie you'd be looking somewhere like the Alamo Drafthouse (if they weren't sexist shits). Picking Austin on the grounds it's somewhere I know better than most places in the US, you're looking at $11 for the movie, $15 for a decent burger, lets round up to $35 per person to include a drink. Follow that with a round at the Peter Pan Mini Golf that's nearby, another $7 per person.

      So you've spent $85 for a night out for two people, throw three dollars at a homeless person, buy https://www.amazon.com/Violin-... and you still have a cent left from your $100.

      Could've been done cheaper too...

    6. Re: I too will now make a foolish purchase by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

      I think it's pretty hilarious you're angrily declaring you'll do more good than me while getting annoyed that I don't feel compassion for one percenter problems. I'd be angry if someone stole a nickel from a child. This...fails to measure up against a gas pump not charging properly.

    7. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I do it roughly every weekend (minus charity.) AYCE Sushi for 2 (myself and my husband) - $40. Movies for 2 (we hate popcorn and rarely drink soda) - $15. Mini golf for 2 - $15 ($20 if I play in the arcades.) That leaves me $20-25 for charity and a tiny violin.

      https://www.amazon.com/Instrum... - there's the violin for $10. That leaves me with $10-15 for charity.

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    8. Re:I too will now make a foolish purchase by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      AYCE Sushi for 2 (myself and my husband) - $40

      So nothing but the best Ahi tuna for you, huh? :)

  3. Waste of Time by amiga3D · · Score: 0

    You know there's some fine print about may not be blah, blah, blah, etc. blah. Basically they aren't responsible. They'll blame your hardware, the cable company, Trump, the RUSSIANS, and everyone else they can. Just think next time before you wad 100 bucks up and throw it away.

    1. Re:Waste of Time by Gussington · · Score: 1

      The company said they'll give refunds so can't see how this complaint has any legs.
      I'm not sure why anyone pays for this shit anyway. Go to your local bar and spend the $hundred on beer and snacks support your local business and watch the show for free. The atmosphere is usually much better than at home or the actual event.

    2. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company said they'll give refunds so can't see how this complaint has any legs. I'm not sure why anyone pays for this shit anyway. Go to your local bar and spend the $hundred on beer and snacks support your local business and watch the show for free. The atmosphere is usually much better than at home or the actual event.

      The entire event lasted for over 3 hours, and on the east coast the fight didn't even start until midnight. Drinking $100 of beer and increasing your risk of being on the road with a bunch of pissed off drunk Irish fans isn't exactly what I call a viable alternative. To each their own, barfly.

    3. Re:Waste of Time by DutchSter · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure why anyone pays for this shit anyway. Go to your local bar and spend the $hundred on beer and snacks support your local business and watch the show for free.

      Oddly enough for this particular event this was not an option in my relatively urban area. My usual watering holes were not showing it (though they will often do other PPVs). Reasons varied between the cost to them and security concerns. The only two options in my area were $40 to watch it at a movie theater, which will be well over $100 if you and the wife go and each have one of their overpriced beers and some snacks. The other option was a Dave and Busters and they were charging a cover as well ($20) with no guarantee of a seat or even any wait service unless you bought the $50 VIP package.

      A buddy went to Dave and Busters and he said it sucked. Literally wall to wall people, it took 20 minutes just to get to the bar to buy a single beer, and the place was crawling with cops.

      Luckily a neighbor was "streaming" his PPV against his garage door using a projector. As long as you came with your own beer it was completely free, though most chipped in $10 or left the remains of a beer case. From a social perspective that's the way to go.

    4. Re:Waste of Time by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      Showtime should turn around and sue his ISP for sucking so badly. Considering the press on this story, Showtime could argue that his ISP damaged their image.

    5. Re:Waste of Time by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      My usual watering holes were not showing it (though they will often do other PPVs). Reasons varied between the cost to them and security concerns.

      Terrusts? Getting hacked? Or drunk paddies?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    6. Re:Waste of Time by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The company said they'll give refunds so can't see how this complaint has any legs. I'm not sure why anyone pays for this shit anyway. Go to your local bar and spend the $hundred on beer and snacks support your local business and watch the show for free. The atmosphere is usually much better than at home or the actual event.

      Exactly this! As a card carrying introvert, the bar environment is the perfect place to watch boxing bar none..

      And I don't have the wife telling me that boxing is brutal (duh) or thinking I'm watching gay porn if I have an MMA fight on.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    7. Re:Waste of Time by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Most local bars were charging admission for this (or any big fight). Typically $20-50 per person.

      Also, a lot of people who are purchasing the fight for home viewing are hosting parties. I'd much rather view the fight with 15-20 friends than with 100-200 strangers.

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      "People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who do."-Mark Twain
    8. Re:Waste of Time by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1

      I'm watching gay porn if I have an MMA fight on.

      Well, to be honest...

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      Beware of the Leopard.
    9. Re:Waste of Time by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm watching gay porn if I have an MMA fight on.

      Well, to be honest...

      I know. Just did a DuckDuckGo search on MMA porn, and sure enough, there is a lot of it. But it's like the real thing is almost a Poe thing.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    10. Re:Waste of Time by Khyber · · Score: 1

      ...wanna know how I know you watch Wrestlehard? :D

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    11. Re:Waste of Time by DutchSter · · Score: 1

      Terrusts? Getting hacked? Or drunk paddies?

      The latter. I don't really follow MMA that much but I guess around here McGregor is known to have a rough following. In some ways it became a self-perpetuating problem. As small bars decided against showing it due to cost that meant bars that were showing it were faced with the possibility of more people, many unknown.

      So then your medium sized bars said wait, with nobody else showing it we will be overrun with people, some unsavory, the fire marshal will no doubt be counting heads so we'll need serious security to turn pissed off people away when we are at capacity and to deal with any drunken louts that inside.

    12. Re:Waste of Time by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The pub around the corner from me is undergoing refurbishment so I'm down to two pubs a mile away or my local which is 600 yards away. Plus the bar at the gym that's 800 yards away.

      You really have to drive to get to a bar? Bad planning..

    13. Re:Waste of Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company said they'll give refunds so can't see how this complaint has any legs.

      I'm not sure why anyone pays for this shit anyway. Go to your local bar and spend the $hundred on beer and snacks support your local business and watch the show for free. The atmosphere is usually much better than at home or the actual event.

      The bar across the street from my apartment was charging a $30 cover for fight night. The one two blocks away was charging a $35 cover, but they have projection screens and comfy couches.

      Now imagine if it was their stream that went to shit during the fight... think how bad for business that would be. (note both bars use dish network, and experienced no problems.)

      I think that a class action asking 2x the initial cost per complainant makes an appropriate point to those overselling their capacity: It (potentially) becomes a net loss when you fail to deliver as promised.

    14. Re:Waste of Time by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Most local bars were charging admission for this (or any big fight). Typically $20-50 per person.

      You must live in a strange place. Pubs are where most people go to watch major sporting events and I've never heard of any charging a door fee.

      I'd much rather view the fight with 15-20 friends than with 100-200 strangers.

      Personal preference I guess. You can't beat a vocal crowd for atmosphere...

    15. Re:Waste of Time by twistnatz · · Score: 1

      How the fuck is one mile away far enough that you feel the need to drive? It is a fifteen minute walk, come on.

    16. Re:Waste of Time by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You may want to slow down and read carefully. It's amazing how much this might help you understand what was actually written, rather than what you thought was written.

  4. MY GOD! YOU CAN'T WAIT 12 ROUNDS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    And find out who won for FREE? In what kind of Microsoft world are you living?

    Besides, it's not like it was two black guys. One way WHITE! You already KNEW who won when you were SOLD it!

  5. Just an idiot making noise by chromaexcursion · · Score: 0

    He can't prove the problems were caused by Showtime. Most likely they were caused by his internet provider.
    If he actually goes ahead with the suit, he's likely to be counter sued; and he'll probably lose.
    Unless he's a total idiot, he'll take the offer of a refund.

    1. Re:Just an idiot making noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might explain ONE or TWO people.

      But seriously, how it was blowing up online at the time? I very much doubt it was one or two complainers.

    2. Re:Just an idiot making noise by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Informative

      He can't prove the problems were caused by Showtime. Most likely they were caused by his internet provider.

      Yep, because the fight was totally delayed due to the streaming issues because of a bunch of end user ISPs.

    3. Re:Just an idiot making noise by blind+biker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He can't prove the problems were caused by Showtime. Most likely they were caused by his internet provider.

      Unlikely to the extreme: these problems were reported so widely, Showtime even moved the main event to mitigate the problems caused by the unresponsive servers.

      If he actually goes ahead with the suit, he's likely to be counter sued; and he'll probably lose.

      Countersued? For what? At this point I think you must be trolling.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    4. Re:Just an idiot making noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      chroma, you're the 'total idiot', actually.

      the producers and payment gateways and stream hosts were all having issues. combined, these suits have millions and millions of legit class members.

      totally NOT an end user thing -- other than being so stupid to pay $100 for this bullshit in the first place.

    5. Re:Just an idiot making noise by luther349 · · Score: 1

      as they said the issues where caused by them not having enough bandwidth for the demand and you payed frigging 100$ for it i would be pissed to.

    6. Re: Just an idiot making noise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I'm pretty sure there's a third one out there.

    7. Re: Just an idiot making noise by Ralgha · · Score: 1

      Showtime isn't going to sue him. Even if they won and were awarded everything the guy has it wouldn't pay for their lawyer time.

    8. Re:Just an idiot making noise by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      He can't prove the problems were caused by Showtime. Most likely they were caused by his internet provider.

      Unlikely to the extreme: these problems were reported so widely, Showtime even moved the main event to mitigate the problems caused by the unresponsive servers.

      If he actually goes ahead with the suit, he's likely to be counter sued; and he'll probably lose.

      Countersued? For what? At this point I think you must be trolling.

      It was one of those educational and cultural moments that lift all humans to a more enlightened plane.

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      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    9. Re:Just an idiot making noise by PPH · · Score: 1

      Most likely they were caused by his internet provider.

      So, a net neutrality problem then?

      Showtime should just refund anyone who had problems their $100. And then go after the ISPs for throttling or otherwise harming their streaming feed and costing them the refund.

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    10. Re:Just an idiot making noise by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Countersued? For what?"

      Violation of the arbitration clause in his service contract.

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  6. Waaaaa! by easyTree · · Score: 1

    One disgruntled 'sportsfan' complained

    I paid good money to watch these two guys beat each other to death and all I saw was 'grainy video, error screens, buffer events, and stalls'. How am I supposed to feed on someone else's misery under these conditions!?! Waaaaa"

    1. Re:Waaaaa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Misery? Did you see any of the fight - those two absolutely loved beating the fuck out of each other. Neither of them was miserable, and they were even less miserable once they got paid...

    2. Re:Waaaaa! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Misery? Did you see any of the fight

      No. I'll be honest, I don't understand why anyone would pay $99 to see that. Basically every other sporting event is free......why do you have to pay to see this one?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Waaaaa! by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

      No. I'll be honest, I don't understand why anyone would pay $99 to see that. Basically every other sporting event is free......why do you have to pay to see this one?

      You must not watch many sporting events if you think most of them are "free". Almost none of them are actually free and those that are "free" are nothing but wall to wall advertisements. If you have a cable subscription in the US odds are you pay a lot of money to ESPN whether you intend to watch or not. Lots of games are not available unless you pay a subscription to specific channels.

      You want to know why it was pay-per-view for $100? Because people are willing to pay it and because that's how boxing has made their money for decades. Boxing, MMA, and a few other events happen irregularly and the parties involved vary so a one time fee to watch the event makes sense. Rather than pay a subscription like you do to get ESPN, they simply charge a fee for the event itself. The price of the PPV depends on the interest it generates. A LOT of people wanted to see this fight so the price was relatively high. It's no different than the Super Bowl charging more money for ads than most other events. They know they have a big audience interested so they can charge more. Same thing just a different payment model.

      Most sports are moving to some variation of a PPV model. Only a few can command the money to have space on dedicated television networks. The more niche the sport the more likely it is that some type of PPV makes sense. To be honest it's kind of refreshing to actually only pay for the sporting events you actually want to watch. I wish more televised entertainment was ala-carte like that.

    4. Re:Waaaaa! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you with your 'logic' and your 'sense'.

    5. Re:Waaaaa! by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Misery? Did you see any of the fight

      No. I'll be honest, I don't understand why anyone would pay $99 to see that. Basically every other sporting event is free....

      Ah, so charitable donations must explain the millions sports professionals get paid. After all, there's no revenue when every other sporting event is free, right?

      Talk about delusional...

    6. Re: Waaaaa! by easyTree · · Score: 1

      If they love it so much why not just beat each other to death for the fun of it I and anyone who likes that can watch for the fun of it?

      It seems as though people today (yep, get off my lawn!) do _things_ only because (a) they're being paid to or (b) they're paid in likes after submitting images to prove they've done the thing. What the duck?

    7. Re:Waaaaa! by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Misery? Did you see any of the fight

      No. I'll be honest, I don't understand why anyone would pay $99 to see that. Basically every other sporting event is free......why do you have to pay to see this one?

      Every other sporting event is free??? what Universe do you live in as it certainly aint this one? The vast majority of high profile sporting Events are some form of pay per view or subscription channel.

    8. Re:Waaaaa! by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...Boxing, MMA, and a few other events happen irregularly and the parties involved vary so a one time fee to watch the event makes sense...

      MMA events are irregular? the upcoming PPV schedule for UFC is 2 Sep, 7 Oct, 4 Nov, 2 Dec, and 30 Dec.

      That monthly schedule is so regular you can adjust your budget for it.

    9. Re:Waaaaa! by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "2 Dec, and 30 Dec."

      Except there's two periods in one month right there.

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    10. Re:Waaaaa! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No you moron, they make it up in advertising. How much did you pay to watch the world cup?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:Waaaaa! by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      I paid in a couple hours worth of advertisement viewing.

      I didn't pay cash, no, but I paid with my time, and someone else paid cash to buy that time.

      There is no such thing as a free lunch, you're paying for it somehow. Some methods are more convenient than others.

      For intermittent events like high profile combat sport events fit a pay-per-view model much better than an advertising model. To make advertising work for the UFC, for example, they'd have to be wall to wall advertisements all over the stadiums, with advertising breaks between rounds instead of interesting commentary, commentators pushing products, etc. It would be super annoying, and only "free" in the most naive sense of the word.

      That kind of thing is a lot less annoying for something like basketball, where you can watch upwards of a half dozen games any day of the week during the season, and the advertisers can space their advertisements out in a less obnoxious way. Advertisers get their value with repeat viewings that you just don't get with something like a boxing event.

      For the world cup, which lasts for a couple weeks with several 90 minute matches a day, advertising makes sense. Especially on advertising dedicated media like broadcast and cable television. Same with the Olympics, advertising makes sense there for the same reason. You're going to get eyeballs on the screen for hours a day and days at a time. That's totally worth it for advertisers.

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  7. Who are you to decide what other people like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are you to decide what other people like?

  8. History Lesson by magusxxx · · Score: 4, Informative

    During the 1980's the big thing was to go to a stadium and watch a fight on a large projection screen. Price was $50. ($160 in 2017 money.)

    One fight lasted less than a minute. No refunds.

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    Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
    1. Re:History Lesson by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Informative

      One fight lasted less than a minute. No refunds.

      1980's boxing events werent single fight though. While Mike Tyson often finished off his opponent somewhere in the first 3 rounds, it was still a multi-hour event with other weight classes often also having important bouts.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:History Lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This event had 3 other fights as well as the main feature.

    3. Re:History Lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I watched it on Sky ppv and there were 2 championship fights and one contender fight on the main card prior to the Mayweather Mcgregor fight.

    4. Re:History Lesson by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      So in other words, they bundle fights like cable companies bundle packages to make you feel like you're getting a decent deal.

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    5. Re:History Lesson by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      I guess, sort of but some of the best fights I've ever seen were on the pre-fight card of people I didn't know.

    6. Re:History Lesson by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      No. There were PPV sporting events during the 80s.

      Some of us were actually alive then and remember this stuff.

      They charged an insane amount for Star Wars when it finally hit PPV.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    7. Re:History Lesson by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "So in other words, they bundle fights like cable companies bundle packages to make you feel like you're getting a decent deal."

      Apparently you've never looked at the ranking system, boxing rules/regulations, etc. Multi-class exhibitions are standard fare for boxing matches. How else do fighters get known if each full-scale event only has one fight that lasts maybe 20 minutes at best?

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    8. Re:History Lesson by magusxxx · · Score: 1

      Well, I was also alive and remember they did do these events.

      Go to Google Images and type:1980 closed circuit boxing

      You'll see several posters for these closed circuit broadcasts. They occurred at civic centers and convention halls. Not to just anyone who had a cable box.

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      Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
    9. Re:History Lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that's you creating a poor comparison. Boxing events have always had several matches on the "cards", with the main event being the biggest draw. The better venues often have multiple title fights organised for the same night. For the fans it wasn't always about the biggest fight on the night; something TV turds like yourself might think about. Often an up and coming fighter would be the main attraction for the fans that like to experience live events.

    10. Re:History Lesson by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and it completely counters the "history lesson" hand waving peddled by magusxxx, which was trying to insinuate that in the 1980's that people paid $50 for a 40 second fight.

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      "His name was James Damore."
  9. I don't really care but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How did they manage to mess this up so hard? They knew ahead of time how many streams they had to serve. The venue was a modern arena in the heart of a major urban area and there was ample time to prepare. Yet somehow they choked.

    "Professional" boxing has always been a cesspit of shysters and they're prone to bad judgement. I suspect they foisted the streaming job on some half-ass outfit for messed up reasons.

    1. Re:I don't really care but... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      How did they manage to mess this up so hard?

      Some major chess events also experience unfathomable streaming problems. I think the issue is that the people hired to manage the streaming are the same people they previously hired to set up their low traffic web pages.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:I don't really care but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did they manage to mess this up so hard?

      Some major chess events also experience unfathomable streaming problems...

      Not sure what made me laugh harder; trying to compare chess to boxing in terms of demand, or claiming that the 37 people watching a "major" chess event somehow created unfathomable streaming problems.

    3. Re:I don't really care but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about chess boxing?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing

    4. Re:I don't really care but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did they manage to mess this up so hard?

      Some major chess events also experience unfathomable streaming problems...

      Not sure what made me laugh harder; trying to compare chess to boxing in terms of demand, or claiming that the 37 people watching a "major" chess event somehow created unfathomable streaming problems.

      And now I'm trying to determine which would be more boring for me to have to suffer through watching, the chess match or the boxing match.

      It's a draw I suppose.

      Wait, which one takes longer?

    5. Re:I don't really care but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...And now I'm trying to determine which would be more boring for me to have to suffer through watching, the chess match or the boxing match.

      It's a draw I suppose.

      Wait, which one takes longer?

      The entertainment factor of chess is measured somewhere between golf and watching paint dry. I've played chess competitively and am a UFC fan. No point in even trying to compare or contrast the two.

    6. Re:I don't really care but... by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Not sure what made me laugh harder; trying to compare chess to boxing in terms of demand, or claiming that the 37 people watching a "major" chess event somehow created unfathomable streaming problems.

      The last WCC had an estimated 2 million people simultaneously streaming the live event feed, and these streaming viewers were allowed to switch between 3 different camera views. Lots of other streaming coverage was also available, with live analysis by various GM's taking place. All told the estimated viewership was between 100 and 200 million people. Thats very similar to boxing, you dumb ignorant fuck.

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      "His name was James Damore."
  10. Limited Number by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    We have received a very limited number of complaints

    Well then maybe all the people attending the actual event should sue then for the unjust delay to the fight caused by streaming issues, if they were actually so limited.

  11. EULA by Ebsolas · · Score: 1

    Ok, so I'm like 100 percent certain that there's going to be some sort of EULA or shrink-wrap/click-wrap/whatever license that releases them from liability for streams that fail to reach the maximum possible quality due to an insufficient internet connection.

    1. Re:EULA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So what? It's like those trucks hauling rocks with big "not responsible for broken windshields" signs. You can SAY you're not responsible for something all day and, like those signs, your EULA might discourage people from doing something about it perhaps, but in the end you are absolutely responsible for things you do and things you control. Paying $100 to watch a fight is very different from paying $100 to MAYBE watch a fight due to circumstances you have no control over.

      Now, you're going to point out to me that everything from one's ISP on out was overstressed by this, and that would be correct, and while it is absolutely possible to test one's connection speed it isn't realistic to load test it under actual live circumstances when those circumstances differ sharply from normal use. That is why people should really learn the big lesson here: the Internet will usually get traffic from point A to point B, but if you rely on it to do that for a mission or time critical thing you're a serious idiot.

    2. Re:EULA by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "it isn't realistic to load test it under actual live circumstances when those circumstances differ sharply from normal use"

      Bullshit. We have VMs for just this reason - spawn up a fuckton of instances and connect to the service to see if it can handle the load. Make the automated connections spread themselves out or clusterfuck together so you can see where your weaknesses lie.

      This is basic fucking IT work, boss. Hell, this is basic network building - ensure you've got the bandwidth and connection capability to support your clientele.

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    3. Re: EULA by Ebsolas · · Score: 1

      The company mentioned they only had a small amount of user complaints meaning the problem was probably on the users end not the company's. If the guy throwing the suit had a bad internet connection and his wifi couldn't handle the load of the HD stream then it's not the company's fault.

  12. Dammit, the RIAA was right! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Pirates are getting an inferior product. Instead of watching the fight flawlessly, they could have watched it with stutter and get paid for it now!

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    1. Re:Dammit, the RIAA was right! by ark1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Imagine if there was no illegal streaming, those pesky pirates would have been forced to stream from the original source putting even more strain on the system. In a way, piracy may have saved the day.

  13. Fucking Hooli by binarybum · · Score: 1

    Hooli Clowns can't get streaming right.

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  14. Another class action looking for profit. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    each member of the class actual damages or $200 in statutory damages, whichever is greater

    Minus the class action chasing lawyer fees, good luck with that.

    1. Re:Another class action looking for profit. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Minus the class action chasing lawyer fees, good luck with that.

      The standard for the lawyer's cut is a third. That still leaves you with a judgement larger than the price of the fight.

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  15. multicast streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What ever happened to multicast streaming? I thought there was a big push for that a decade or so ago so one stream could service thousands of endpoints simultaneously in order to alleviate disasters like this.

    1. Re:multicast streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that traditional TV services like broadcast/cable/sat TV are the original multicast. They work pretty damn well too, but too many people are all EVERYTHING MUST BE OVER IP quality of service be damned!

    2. Re:multicast streaming? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Thousands of endpoints versus millions of endpoints. You do the math.

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  16. Facebook live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw a facebook live stream of the fight with almost a million viewers.

    I sort of feel bad for the people who paid for the fight.

  17. how's that "cord cutting" going for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Live sports is where cable/sat tv still reign supreme. Sit down in front of the TV, put the game/match whatever on and it just works. No buffer, no putzing with computers.

    1. Re:how's that "cord cutting" going for you by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Live sports is where cable/sat tv still reign supreme. Sit down in front of the TV, put the game/match whatever on and it just works. No buffer, no putzing with computers.

      Why do you think there would be "putzing with computers" for a streamed PPV event in 2017? Specialized devices have been available for quite some time now.

      Except now a "cable outage" impacts everyone rather than just a single cable market.

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  18. If I'm spending a hundred bucks to watch something by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I expect I'm going to be watching it in a theater, on a 30 foot screen, or else as a live performance.

    I cannot even begin to comprehend how a person would think that is a worthwhile investment to watch at home.

  19. Regular by sjbe · · Score: 1

    MMA events are irregular? the upcoming PPV schedule for UFC is 2 Sep, 7 Oct, 4 Nov, 2 Dec, and 30 Dec.

    Yes that is irregular in this context. Regular in this context means weekly or more often. There are ~16 NFL games every week during the season. NASCAR has a race every weekend. MLB has games basically daily from May through October. MMA by comparison might happen at routine intervals but it is not at a standard or frequent time. It's just a different financial model. Not better or worse, just different.

  20. Sue hapy by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 1

    I don't get why you would file a lawsuit for something like this. Just call Showtime and they'll give you your 99$ back. Done. End of story. If this ever reaches a judge, it should be laughed out of court and kick the lawyer in the pants for accepting such a stupid case.

  21. Burn your money by gsslay · · Score: 2

    Paying $99.99 to watch two large sweaty men punch each other for a while?

    I'm finding it really hard to sympathise with these people.

    1. Re:Burn your money by PPH · · Score: 1

      to watch two large sweaty men

      Large?

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    2. Re:Burn your money by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      >> to watch two large sweaty men

      > Large?

      The person that called McGreggor a Leprechaun really wasn't exaggerating. =D

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    3. Re:Burn your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These two sweaty men averaged 150 pounds.

    4. Re:Burn your money by Khyber · · Score: 1

      What, you've never watched Bumfights?

      Most of those were far more entertaining than the MacGregor/Mayweather match, and usually last only a couple of minutes.

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    5. Re:Burn your money by Khyber · · Score: 1

      They're large if you go by weight class - they're both three classes above me (though that means nothing when it comes to technical ability and my nearly 80cm reach. Us tall and lanky outboxers get our wins by keeping the opponent the fuck away from us. Mayweather's got reach but no connection capability unless you're in close. A few taps to the side of his temple and he's done for, it's one of the weakest points he has because it's always been guarded and not hit so often as to be able to know and withstand the damage.)

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    6. Re:Burn your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, because they don't have the specific hobbies and interests you have, you can't feel sympathy for "these people" who who didn't get what they paid for? Can't we just accept that people like different things?

    7. Re:Burn your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not that bad. Not everyone lives alone like you. Some have these things called friends, and they all decide on a particular house and chip-in for the PPV while consuming food and booze. It's called fun, try it some time. Compare 10 people watching a $100 event at someone's home, to the same people going to the theater, or a stadium event, or the movies. No sympathy needed for them, just you as you're the one that's Billy No-Mates.

    8. Re:Burn your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few taps to the side of his temple and he's done for

      You must have a PhD in the Sweet Science. Not one of the 50 guys who faced him in the ring understood just how trivial it is to put Mayweather down.

  22. Re:You paid $100 for a Stream by aicrules · · Score: 1

    Yeah and instead we got a pixelated view of what may have been the old man and leprechaun, but could also have been an episode of golden girls.Whether or not it was worth it to you, they sold it for $100 and it didn't meet expectations.

  23. Re:If I'm spending a hundred bucks to watch someth by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

    I cannot even begin to comprehend how a person would think that is a worthwhile investment to watch at home.

    For a single person, yes that's insane. However, most people get a bunch of their friends together and everyone throws in a little bit.

  24. Re:If I'm spending a hundred bucks to watch someth by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    > I cannot even begin to comprehend how a person would think that is a worthwhile investment to watch at home.

    I have a 10 foot screen. Anything less than an XD or IMAX screen (at a closer than halfway back the house) is going to be a LESS compelling experience than what many of us have at home.

    Even with a big screen, if the house isn't set up properly it's going to be inferior. A local house with those posh recliners is like this because of how seats are laid out. The screen is great but there's really no good location to sit in the house because of how they have those posh recliners arranged.

    Then there's the whole issue of sound. If the sound in the house is crap then that blows the whole thing.

    Being there will cost you between 5K and 250K per butt.

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  25. Net Neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite frankly this kind of thing is where Net Neutrality is going to come back to bite consumers in the ass a little bit. Who is to blame for poor stream quality in this case? Was it actually Showtime? Was it the end user's ISP? Was it some intermediary transit provider? In diagnosing issues like this which occur frequently in my business, normally the problem is the last of those three -- often a couple of intermediary transit providers with a congested peering.

    Showtime can no more make any kind of hard quality guarantee to any of their streaming customers than I can tell you next week's winning lotto numbers, and I would be quite sure that the contracts or usage terms that their customers had to agree to said as much.

    There are starting to be some mitigations for this -- protocols like Cloudflare Argo are doing a pretty good job of tackling the first half of the problem -- getting content from the provider into reliable and proximal transit -- but they cost quite a bit. This is already "paying for the fast lane" if you think about it; but it can't ultimately make any guarantees either.

  26. Re:If I'm spending a hundred bucks to watch someth by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I have a 10 foot screen. Anything less than an XD or IMAX screen (at a closer than halfway back the house) is going to be a LESS compelling experience than what many of us have at home.

    Presumably that is the reason that one would be willing to spend a hundred bucks to watch something in the first place. That's a half-day's work at living wage where I live... why would anyone want to spend that kind of hard earned money on being entertained for such a short time in their own friggen home? I would imagine that the entire point of spending that kind of money is for some kind of special *experience* of an event, not just simply observing it, and you aren't going to get any kind of unique experience watching it at home, no matter how awesome your home theater is.

  27. Re:If I'm spending a hundred bucks to watch someth by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    I was a kid when Mike Tyson was ascendant in the heavyweight ranks. My step-father used to have a few friends over for like $5.00 each and order the fight.

    That was back when 4 friends at $5.00 each would cover the PPV.

    LK

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  28. Gice your money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of those famous girls would like that amount as well ... https://goo.gl/Y9KZzd