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Rural America Is Building Its Own Internet Because No One Else Will (vice.com)
New submitter bumblebaetuna writes: In many cases, it's not financially viable for big internet service providers like Comcast and CharterSpectrum to expand into rural communities: They're not densely populated, and running fiber optic cable into rocky Appalachian soil isn't cheap. Even with federal grants designed to make these expansions more affordable, there are hundreds of communities across the US that are essentially internet deserts -- so many are building it themselves. But in true heartland, bootstrap fashion, these towns, hollows -- small rural communities located in the valleys between Appalachia hills -- and stretches of farmland have banded together to bring internet to their doors. They cobble together innovative and creative solutions to get around the financial, technological, and topological barriers to widespread internet.
Rural communities helping themselves? Not to be allowed in todays Corporate America.
Yet another reason to support smaller government whenever possible, and not allow a centralized monster to take over that can be controlled by any remote faction of people...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Maybe if they had reliable internet they'd be more educated and exposed to the outside world and possibly not vote for Trump in the first place.
We're going go build our own Internet, with blackjack and hookers! In fact, forget the blackjack!
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Internet access should be treated like a utility. Everybody in the US should have access to affordable, reliable Internet access.
If the red state rubes want to keep voting against their best interests, then fuck 'em. Let them pay for their own Internet access.
I don't respond to AC's.
Dennis sounds like a Neo-Nazi.
The implication is that Clinton would have been different. She wouldn't have been, and would probably be worse, since her entire political career was made on the backs of Corporate and International Cronyism. Google "Clinton Foundation pay to play"
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Better than having access to that Rachel Maddow twat-waffle, or thinking that John Oliver is a real journalist.
instead of whining that someone won't do it for you.
Imagine that.
As soon as you educate an Appalachian, they realize that the sensible thing to do is to move somewhere else.
I grew up in the Cumberland coal region of eastern Tennessee, and in my HS graduating class, everyone with better than a 3.5 GPA has moved elsewhere.
We graduated on a Wednesday. I left on Thursday.
I would be interested in wireless internet myself. There are some condos near my house that have gigabit but I "only" get 250mbps/10mbps internet. (Honestly upload is the only thing that still bothers me with the internet). I would happily pay someone to put a small 7" antenna in their window for a wireless gateway and pay them like $10 a month or something for the window lease.
There should be a craigslist section for connecting people with gigabit to those who want it.
If two are equally corrupt (assuming that's the case), I'd prefer the competent one who has a history of at least getting positive laws passed.
Even if you agree with Trump's platform, his ability to actually bring forth any progress on implementing it has been...disastrous.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to who the "real journalists" are.
Clinton at least acknowledged that some of the industries in question (ie. coal) were dying, and that the Federal government should do more to assist in economic diversification. Trump just told a bunch of people he'd somehow magically make it 1950 again.
Now of course a lot of that would be up to Congress, and maybe Congress wouldn't have been interested in any economic diversification and job retraining that a Clinton Administration wanted to put into action, but then again, it's not as if Congress is showing very much interest in helping out Trump, so maybe you're right, maybe it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference, but at least Clinton showed some reason and realization of the economic reality of areas like the Appalachians.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Nice assertion, got anything to back it up with?
Will you make up your damn minds. First, Trump and supporters are a bunch of communists listening to Putin. Then they are a bunch of Nazis building ovens.
Today they are back to being communists?
I remember being taught a little saying about it being very difficult to keep a lie going because it is more difficult to remember all the lies necessary to keep a lie going than it is to simply remember the truth being told.
This Trump is a communist, Trump is a fascist. Trump is a communist cycle pretty much proves that old saying correct.
So... when are people figuring out that the US isn't a 1st world country anymore?
Really?! I wonder if they'll continue to use TCP/IP as the protocol for this new Internet that they're building.
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Corrupt competent is worse than corrupt incompetent. Positive laws? Bullshit.
As to what he's gotten done? He's already saved the second amendment for a generation. Something Hillary was dead set against. When 'old what's her name' kicks off, the supreme court will be good for many decades.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
My dad's side of the family lives in Elizabethton near Johnson city. My grandfather was the only one out of 4 kids that got out. There's nothing to do there, but it is a decent place to visit for a long weekend
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
...amazing what can be done if a bunch of smart people are willing to donate time worth enormous amounts of money. See, for example, GNU/Linux...
People with degrees in journalism that work for obsolescent dead-tree newspapers, reprint press releases, do no research and have no sense of humor.
Or that the government has declared are "real" journalists because they like how they report. e.g., reprinting press releases without doing any research.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
That's funny, John Oliver knows a fuckload more about events than you
Nice assertion, got anything to back it up with?
Yes. An AR-15.
I'll help you with your ignorance of political and historical reference points.
What do Hitler(Nazi/Hard Right) and Stalin(Communist/Hard Left) have in common?
They were both Authoritarians.
So whether you compare Trump to either one really doesn't matter...
Do yourself a favor and read Bob Altmeyers book on the subject.
all the bought and paid for state politicians?
In these Orwellian days, real journalists get fired for telling the truth.
I view Trump as rejecting more of the same. Clinton was the very definition of more of the same, particularly as she had already lived in the Whitehouse. It's trying to force change rather than muddle along with corrupt but maybe competent. Not much difference between the frustrations of the Trump voters and the Bernie voters, they both were rejecting more of the same.
Rural America(the counties/localities) that embark on their own network building should be able to recoup some of the money the federal gov't has given to companies like AT&T, that have pocketed upwards of 20 billion dollars that was promised for fiber/network expansion.
That money should not just enrich the network operators.
Further, AT&T & Co. should be on the hook for the money of companies they combined with as well.
No corporate welfare.
Isn't that like a 1.5 elsewhere?
I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
but the mega corps. I remember reading of a small town implementing municipal wifi and how lawyers were parachuted in to wreck it. Far as I know that town never did get reliable Internet. Point is, you can't allow municipal broadband to exist anywhere because once the cat's out of the bag on how cheap and effective it is everyone will want it and AT&T, Cox, Comcast and the whole she-bang will be out of cush job.
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It's not forcing change. You were upset about the system ignoring you and catering too much to rich buffoons who don't deserve the power they've inherited and won't use it to help anyone but themselves... so you elected a rich buffoon who doesn't deserve the power he's inherited and won't use it to help anyone but himself. All you did was cut out the middleman. There is no vote that is more in favor of "more of the same" than a vote for Donald Trump. Trump is everything that was already wrong with the system.
What a stupid fucking argument. The 2nd amendment was never under ANY duress. I'm tired of this moronic NRA talking point. To get rid of the 2nd amendment it would take another amendment! No one anywhere has even drafted a constitutional amendment to even tweak the 2nd. No one was ever going to take away our guns. This is not Australia and quite frankly there is no sensible reason in this day and age that licensing your guns would be a bad idea.
The reason we have to get a drivers' license today is because a lot of people were stupid on the road and getting many more killed. A great number of gun owners don't take guns seriously. They argue about always keeping a round in the chamber like you're in the military. The one second it takes to chamber a round is not going to make any difference when you're hunting or trying to protect your house during a home invasion. Instead it adds a whole lot of risk and results in accidental discharge everyday somewhere in the country leading to more people wanting more restrictions on guns. Personal responsibility is sorely lacking among gun owners. There are plenty of gun enthusiasts who do take it seriously but the idiots ruin it for all of us.
The implication is that Clinton would have been different. She wouldn't have been, and would probably be worse, since her entire political career was made on the backs of Corporate and International Cronyism. Google "Clinton Foundation pay to play"
Tell that to the trans folks in the US military. Also, would Clinton have appointed someone who is planning to repeal net neutrality?
Clinton would have been different, in some ways better and in some ways worse. Though in general it's hard to see how anyone could be worse than Trump et al.
Actually, Trump motivating Three Percenters and other racist groups to openly brandish guns to threaten people in public spaces is probably the best thing that has happened to the argument for restricting gun ownership in decades. They're making the clearest possible argument for why people like them should not be allowed to own weapons. Also, I don't know how you got to thinking that you being too ignorant to know people's names or policy records reflects poorly on your opponent instead of yourself, but it doesn't. Just a tip.
... into rocky Appalachian soil
Ummm. Run it overhead?
With the power lines. On the same poles.
Have gnu, will travel.
A good friend of mine was outside of broadband territory (well, he could get DSL, but it was expensive, very unreliable, and barely faster than a 56k modem), so we set up a "micro-ISP" with a microwave link relayed into the nearest town.
It wasn't exactly cheap -- I think he spent around $10k all in -- but he got his neighbors in on it to share costs. Now, there's a group of about 20 people who went from effectively no broadband to better broadband than most people in the city are getting.
clinton would be worse? clinton would be different. but hardly worse. she would have largely kept things the same. and that's a hell of a lot better than the orange circus we got now playing in the white house.
the ONLY thing keeping trump in office is not the republican majorities.. but rather the next two in line should trump be removed.
I really don't know what city folk think rural america has no internet? But in fact most have satellite internet from Hughes Net or Blue. Some are close enough to sign up for wireless ISP provider and some have a cell tower for which they just buy a unlimited data plan and a myfi device. One thing about rural america. They don't wait for idiot city folk who think they still talk on a party phone line and screw the cows.
As long as the government doesn't interfere, there's no problem in it.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The link about innovative solutions was an essay by a congressman boasting about leading the charge and not forgetting the rural areas anymore. Didn't see any mention of anything innovative.
If two are equally corrupt (assuming that's the case), I'd prefer...
When you vote for the lesser of two evils, evil always wins.
"This is not Australia and quite frankly there is no sensible reason in this day and age that licensing your guns would be a bad idea."
We're moving to energy weapons. You have fun with your inaccurate loud as fuck guns, sonny boy. Meanwhile we'l sit here with our lasers fucking your eyes with no remorse and no license required!
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
That never worked too well for those in New York or California now did it? Most of them are more stupid than sheep.
Watch the John Oliver show episode following the Orlando night club shooting and tell me how great he is.
Except that rural Americans found a way to get real news, not the metropolitan hogwash that Hillary supporters were brainwashed with.
No, Oliver is "informed" at about the same level as Boris Johnson, and Johnson is funnier without even trying.
Already in the works. He is ONE of the reasons Trump won. Ryan and McConnell should also be considered gone. We already stopped the Clintonistas from continuing their rein, and Pelosi, Waters and Schumer will also follow Ryan and McConnell. Every single one of them have proven they have no clue.
IMO, every single one of them that have held office for over 10 years, needs to be removed and replaced.
You know, this is what is really baffling to me. Blaming all this crap on the one person who is actually TRYING to rid DC of all the political corruption. Hell, his own party does not like him, the other party detests him, and IF he is the person who all the media outlets describe as ALWAYS striving for others approval, who is left? Not the politicians, not the government bureaucracy, really....ask yourself that question seriously.
LOL
really sorry I almost thought you were serious for a moment
If the government decides it wants to fuck up education, blow up the moon, burn rainforests, etc, your bullet penis won't matter.
If walmart decides it wants to buy legislation for X Y Z (exploiting plebs in the process) because it benefits them somehow, it still won't matter.
You can have your gun, I don't care, but think beyond your little bubble.
"We have crappy Internet provision because of Big Government!"
"Yeah! Let's make our government even less like those in France, Germany, and Scandinavia where the Internet access is several times as good."
And to fend off the inevitable "But we have it harder because the US is less dense than Europe!"
1) You are not less dense than Canada and Australia
2) US Internet provision sucks in US cities, too, and they are quite dense
You do not have crappy Internet because of "corrupt Clinton-style government". You have it because of not-technically-corrupt government that is *influenced* by large corporations that have an oligopoly on service provision. This influence is bipartisan, with a slight preference for Republican. (Until Trump, whose level of revolving-door state/corporate appointments has hit a new level.)
Live nearby DC, but given how rural, there's no way that cable or fios makes sense. Enter a small isp, provides Netflix able bandwidth. My antenna points to a neighbors house omni, their other antenna points to the isps on a ridge miles away. It's reasonably priced, and stays up really well.
(Oh, thought I'd make this nerd ish post vs yall blathering about hrc v trump )
Why draft an amendment when you can stack the Supreme Court? You can't be that naive.
It's a monty python reference you dingbat.
Hillary has openly announced her opposition to both the first and second amendments to the U.S. Constitution. Like Obama, her intention was to just ignore any law she didn't like.
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Did you bother to read Ted Cruz's reason? Two thirds of the money for post-Sandy aid was pork unrelated to hurricane Sandy. Such fiscal malfeasance is why the federal government should not be in the disaster recovery business.
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Haven't we been paying that fee that's supposed to cover building out internet to rural areas. Does that mean the telecos and Comcast have been pocketing the fee and not actually doing the work?
Actually, that would kinda figure, wouldn't it?
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Clinton was the consummate conservative who'd have kept the system as it was -- not good, but not dangerous. She was too deeply entrenched in the system to be a reckless looter. But anyway I'd like to think more educated voters would've made different primary election choices in both parties, and also considered other parties.
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It's funny how 8 years of Obama supposedly tearing up the second amendment simply saw record gun sales. Guess he had the door to door confiscations planned for his 9th year in office.
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/u/dasgoober is a god-damned idiot. Rachel Maddow is one of the best journalists on television today.
Considering the Clintons only passed laws that increased chaos and decreased the right to life, I'd say I'd rather have somebody with NO history to that.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
How about you shove your book up your ass? Name one "authoritarian" thing that Trump has done. Your "Lord and Savior" is the real authoritarian, like all fucking communists. Seriously, please name a single thing Trump has done, even ones that Bathhouse Barry did in spades? Ever heard of the NDAA? Allowing the military to kill US Citizens without trial? Authorizing state propaganda to be used domestically/internally?
I'm sure that's all fine because Michael^W Michelle's husband did it.
> Name one "authoritarian" thing that Trump has done.
Muslim ban.
Transgender ban.
Withdrawing from Paris accords.
Yeah, all of this because of Clinton's cheating....
If Clinton and the DNC had a legit primary without cheating, good chance we would have President Sanders right now and even if, by some change Clinton had won the primary and didn't antagonize her voter base for daring to vote against her, then the people would have been willing to vote for her.
But no..... We had Clinton and the DNC cheat in their own primary to get past Sanders and then antagonize and run off their own voters thinking they deserved the presidency and the voters had no choice while at the same time working with the media to prop Trump up and help him win to give her the most damaged patsy to run against to win. And then lost to her own patsy because she ran off her voters....
The Democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory on this one. They had a sure win with Sanders and instead chose to gamble to put Clinton up instead while running off their own voters.....
Removing illegal immigrants, reducing visa workers, and changing our trade policies is a major blow to the system. International corporations profit heavily by moving factories/work to countries with cheap labor and limited regulations/taxes. Businesses also have a vested interest in bringing in cheap workers to lower wages and sell more products/housing/services to.
It's just unfortunate Trump isn't doing the same to ISPs. A lot of his supporters would be in favor of it. But trade and immigration must come first. That is a direct threat to the life of this country.
What good is cheap internet if everything else in the country sucks?
Sometimes people need to experience the end-conclusion of their right-wing biases and dreams, see where it truly leads to and what the greedy truly stand for.
The same arguments can be said for the people leaning left as well. Stupid needs to face their own consequences.
Yes all that real news. How else would the good folk of Appalachia have discovered that Obama was putting chemicals into the water that made the frogs gay
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
Carrying a firearm !== threat, I'm not even sure you can legitimately call it brandishing.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Doubtful. This backward-ass country isn't ready for the first Jewish president, any more than it's ready for the first female president. Or gay president. Or atheist president.
"Don't get me wrong, I think Texas and Houston should get aid,..."
Why? Texans voted against aids for Hurricane Sandy and Katrina and they refused regulations for building in flood zones and voted the drainage tax down.
They deserve what they got.
Who cares if she's against it?
You need a supermajority to change something in the Constitution.
You think anyone can get half is the Republican Party to agree to ban guns?
...They argue about always keeping a round in the chamber like you're in the military.....
You don't do that in the military though, whether or not you chamber a round depends largely on your current alert state.
Admit nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter-accusations.
I don't know about the US military, but if an off-duty IDF soldier was caught with a round chambered, he'd probably never be allowed to touch a firearm within the country again. You don't have to be stupid about guns just because you're military.
Were you asleep through the Charlottesville protests? Guns were brandished by hate-filled bigots.
Or openly-socialist president, which means a lot more to Sanders than an accident of birth.
I saw some video of people carrying firearms. They weren't waving them about in a threatening manner, in any of the video that I saw. I carry a firearm fairly frequently. I'm not even remotely a threat.
If you're curious, I'm very politically left and not white. I'd hate to have you thinking I am a Nazi, or something.
At any rate, do you have some specific footage you'd like me to watch?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
My prediction last year that if Trump won, his Administration would eventually become so alienated that even Congressional Republicans would turn their back on him is coming true,
Your prediction for last year was, IIRC, that Trump would never win, and that his support was only amongst racists and misogynists. Your prediction was wrong then.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Like a small in a valley community in Wales - just do it. They put a repeater TV ariel near a mountain top, with the person who owned the areas help, and nobody has questioned it for 50 years. Apparently getting a mobile repeater is going to be more of a problem because the power that is needed, but they might just blanket the valley with Wifi.
Romania shows up in top 10 broadband speed constantly and it's not even a developed nation like South Korea. How did they do it?
They were called "neighbourhood networks". People decided to go against common sense and deployed office-rated Cat5 and office-rated switches wherever they could, without asking for permission from anybody. They spanned local city areas and helped jumpstart the speedy broadband revolution. If it were left to the national telecom company Romania would still be on expensive dial-up.
Then a bunch of people with money came and bought the networks and consolidated the market, but the "damage" was already done: can't get away with shitty speeds and high prices anymore. Now you get 1Gb fiber to wherever your computer is located - i.e. without converting to Cat5 in the stairwell, for peanuts. In the cities, anyway. The countryside still gets American-quality connections :)
"Everybody's naked underneath" -- The Doctor
Who ELSE'S responsibility is it to build something for rural America?
If you don't want to live in one of the sweltering crapholes we call American cities, one of the "costs" is that you don't have as easy access to a host of services, internet broadband being one of them.
They want it, they can pay to build it. And I say this as someone from rural MN where the best broad band we could get until couple of years ago was 10/1 adsl.
-Styopa
Wow, someone was triggered.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
When 'old what's her name' kicks off, the supreme court will be good for many decades.
So fuck democracy and having an independent, non-political judiciary, just as long as their views happen to align with yours.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
We already had a gay muslim potus, a jew would be an upgrade.
Not a reckless looter??? Please explain that one to Haiti.
Do you carry it slung across your chest in the ready fire position?
Cheap storage VM.
Who cares if she's against [the first and second amendments]? You need a supermajority to change something in the Constitution. You think anyone can get half is the Republican Party to agree to ban guns?
While I don't agree with the original premise that Hillary was against those amendments, in regards to constitutional issues the argument used by both the left and right is not that the President will push through constitutional amendments. They are worried about Supreme Court justices. A Supreme Court stacked with originalists will interpret some constitutional cases far differently than justices who believe the Constitution evolves with changes to society and culture.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Not just brandished - at least one was fired.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
What a stupid fucking argument. The 2nd amendment was never under ANY duress. I'm tired of this moronic NRA talking point. To get rid of the 2nd amendment it would take another amendment! No one anywhere has even drafted a constitutional amendment to even tweak the 2nd. No one was ever going to take away our guns.
This is disingenuous, and ignores the power of the courts. The 4th amendment has been gutted in the last few decades not by another amendment modifying it or repealing it, but by the courts allowing the executive and legislative branches to make end runs around it, or redefining what "reasonable" means. The 5th amendment's right to remain silent was threatened a few years ago (Salinas v Texas) with the Supreme Court saying you have to "invoke" your right to be silent... by saying so. If you don't say so, then your silence can be used against you.
I think OP's suggestion that Trump is somehow responsible for the preservation of the 2nd amendment is, at best, overstated. However, your statement that the 2nd amendment is not under duress is equally so.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
Johnson City isn't exactly a place with no opportunity. There is lots of good industry (largely medical/biotech) in the area, ETSU has a good medical school, there are plenty of cultural activities believe it or not, great food and music, etc.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
If I'm hunting, yes. Slung !== ready to fire (or brandishing).
Where they pointing them at people? I've seen no video that shows this.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
My grandfather actually coached at ETSU for years, and I grew up going to their basketball camps. Problem is they live on the opposite side of Elizabethon from JC so it's a good 40-60 minute drive just to get there. The closest thing to entertainment Elizabethon has is a drive in theater and the Elizabethon Twins rookie league team.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
aren't shotgun shells cheaper than $5/each?
Holy crap I simply used the "not vote for Trump" from the previous post and made it into a Quest for the Holy Grail bit and you guys degenerated that into a political crap-fest.
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You would would prefer the one who's better at getting away with corruption vs the one that can't get away with anything.
Did you bother to read Ted Cruz's reason? Two thirds of the money for post-Sandy aid was pork unrelated to hurricane Sandy. Such fiscal malfeasance is why the federal government should not be in the disaster recovery business.
Did you bother to fact-check Ted Cruz's reasons? Even if we accept the claim of materials unrelated to Sandy, that doesn't mean that they were pork, they could be related to other disasters of a similar nature. Or NOAA funding. Oh noes, the horrors. Making sure weather predictions are funded.
Of course, given that it was in the House, then it's Ted's own party to blame for any Pork, so go ahead, name names, why don't you?
Let's see the guilty parties identified. Ted could have done that at the time, and proposed removing those things, but he didn't.
Oh wait, Ted was just grand-standing. Well, now the roosters come home, and he's going to have to identify the pork in the bill to pass a clean one.
Oh wait, he won't?
Huh.
The most non-independent partisan hack of a judge on the SC is named Sotomayor.
A non-political SC isn't on the table. Never was, never will be.
The Ds were overconfident. Or they would have turned over all the geriatric liberal seats during Obama.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I disagree that not sparking a thermonuclear war with North Korea is worse than sparking it.
Man who opened fire in Charlottesville crowd arrested
You haven't been looking hard enough. I pulled this from a google image search, so I haven't read the article, but the guy in front is clearly carrying in a ready to fire position, the guy in back might be debatable.
Both are clearly there to intimidate.
Cheap storage VM.
It's not forcing change. You were upset about the system ignoring you and catering too much to rich buffoons who don't deserve the power they've inherited and won't use it to help anyone but themselves... so you elected a rich buffoon who doesn't deserve the power he's inherited and won't use it to help anyone but himself. All you did was cut out the middleman. There is no vote that is more in favor of "more of the same" than a vote for Donald Trump. Trump is everything that was already wrong with the system.
Keep in mind that breaking the system is a form of change. Who's to say that Trump won't break it yet? In any case it is a form of change because the media narrative was clear - vote for Hillary or else. Enough people chose else that we'll see what happens. In truth Obama was voted in on hope of change also, it was literally a slogan, but he turned out to be as corporate as they come. To be fair only an idiot would trust either a politician from Chicago or Trump, but the desire for change is real and is driving this. If nothing changes, expect more extreme candidates than Trump in the future.
The rare triple negative, bending space and time. Sentences that can only be diagramed on the surface of a Mobius strip. Username checks out.
Looks around...sees no destruction...Cthulhu11...you're in the wrong timeline...again. Trump won here, hard to believe. Praise Kek!
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
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Voting for Trump was clearly about change with a ton of people.
He brought up things no other candidate was taking seriously (or even discussing), like illegal immigration and H1Bs.
Is Trump fit to enact meaningful change on said topics? That's another discussion.
But when voters had to choose between the two, it was either status-quo Hillary, or wild-card Trump. At least with the latter, if he failed to implement anything, it was a vote to bring those topics to national head.
Easy vote for many Americans.
You think that rifle is going to help you in negotiations with Comcast?
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Plenty of Muslims still in the USA and still entering the USA. Perhaps this temporary ban on immigration from a handful of countries is what you erroneously label a "ban on all Muslims". Trump used only the authority granted him under the US Constitution and laws passed by the US Congress well before he even started running for office and were also used the same way by at least his two immediate predecessors.
Plenty of transgenders still in the USA. None have been forced to leave. Perhaps you are referring to the US Military thing. The one where his immediate predecessor acted unilaterally in his last year in office to tell the military what it was going to do (kind of authoritarian/dictatorish) and Trump simply worked with the military leadership and undid that; rolling back the situation to where it had been less than a year prior and then telling the military to take whatever time they wanted to study the situation and let him know if they had valid military reasons for altering the policy. I think using the powers granted to undo dictatorial acts by ones predecessor to reset the situation and then moving forward in a non-dictatorial fashion does not really count as being a dictator. YMMV.
Since we were only "in" the Paris accords because of the signature of a single man who had never bothered to submit those accords to the Senate for ratification to make them enforceable in the US, Trumps actions were, once again, simply undoing the dictatorial actions of his immediate predecessor to reset the situation to the status quo of before his immediate predecessor was in office.
Do you have any examples where Trump "acted like a dictator" that involve him seizing power in a manner not already used many times in the past by Presidents you would claim were not using that same power in a dictatorial manner? Do you have any examples where Trump's actions were not simply undoing an action taken by his immediate predecessor where the immediate predecessor acted just as unilaterally and dictatorially?
Even if you agree with Trump's platform, his ability to actually bring forth any progress on implementing it has been...disastrous.
And if you prefer gridlock to anything done, then Trump was the right choice.
What a stupid fucking argument. The 2nd amendment was never under ANY duress.
Heller was a 5 to 4 decision and even with a majority agreement, lower courts are still not upholding it.
We're moving to energy weapons. You have fun with your inaccurate loud as fuck guns, sonny boy. Meanwhile we'l sit here with our lasers fucking your eyes with no remorse and no license required!
Various space opera films show that chemically powered slug throwers are still competitive.
No, it is Alto, who was so aggrieved that he turned 180 on Arizona Legislature even though he stated in his opinion that it was a complete farce.
OK, OK, that is just because he outlived Scalia, and Thomas actually didn't stomach voting for SoCV, but really, he went total puts on that one.
What a stupid fucking argument. The 2nd amendment was never under ANY duress. I'm tired of this moronic NRA talking point.
Talking point, as if it's somehow not valid?
All one has to do is look at places like Chicago, New York City and now states like California and New Jersey. They keep passing clearly illegal laws. When they're struck down they don't care, they pass something else like little petulant children. We never see things like this applied to the 1st Amendment. For example - let's have people who do the news be licensed. They have to go to a school, pass a test and if they abuse it, they get locked up for decades. No more of this publish a lie, then a retraction on page 50 shit.
Good luck aiming with no eyesight. ;)
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
> If you're curious, I'm very politically left and not white. I'd hate to have you thinking I am a Nazi, or something.
Well, you can be fascist or somewhere around there, if you were black, and on the left.
Look at Antifa. I'm sure there are quite a few blacks there.
But thanks for letting us know! Let's hope we don't see any white man carrying weapons!
Let's see what happens when Trump hears about the rise of the largest black militia in US history. I bet he's gonna pull a Reagan and push for gun legislation in reaction to the white supremacist violence causing black people to arm themselves in droves.
So, if I'm reading this right, ISPs like Comcast are so bad at providing Internet service in some places that backwater local governments and plucky rag-tag bands of amateurs are able to do what those ISPs don't, can't, or won't
Have they considered hiring out their hard-won expertise?
Probably not. For one thing, they'd probably need all sorts of licenses and permits and registrations and certifications to protect, uh, the public. That's it. To protect the public.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
*Cough* bullshit. This is where a citation or three will keep you from looking like a moronic neckbeard.
This comment is my opinion and does not represent an official position of Donald Trump or others I do not work for
Actually there are a number of Slashdotters whose citations LED me to conclude they were moronic neckbeards!