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AMD Releases Ryzen PRO Processors Worldwide, 8-Core Ryzen Threadripper 1900X (techradar.com)
Today, AMD announced the global release and broad adoption of AMD Ryzen Pro desktop processors. At its launch event in New York City, the company touted three main pillars that define these chipsets: reliability, security, and performance. They support features like Trusted Platform Module 2.0, which integrates secure microcontrollers into devices, GuardMI technology, which enables silicon-level security to help protect against threats, and SenseMI technology, which consists of a collection of smart features that aims to fine-tune performance for most responsive applications. For the first time, AMD has partnered with the top three PC OEMs: HP, Dell and Lenovo. Brad Chacos for PCWorld provides a "rundown of the commercial-focused Ryzen Pro systems that are coming down the pipeline, straight from AMD":
-Dell Optiplex 5055 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-HP EliteDesk 705 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-Lenovo ThinkCentre M715 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-Lenovo ThinkPad A475 and A275 notebook PCs are expected in Q4 2017.
-Ryzen PRO mobile processors are scheduled for launch in the first half of 2018.
The global launch of the Ryzen Pro processors is not the only bit of news AMD announced. The company also announced the release of a new budget Threadripper 1900X model. From a report via TechRadar: AMD has released its 8-core Ryzen Threadripper 1900X processor, offering people who were put off by high price of the flagship 16-core Threadripper 1950X a chance to build a PC with all of the advanced Threadripper features for almost half the cash. As we expected, the Threadripper 1900X will come with eight cores clocked at 3.8GHz, with a turbo that reaches 4.0GHz (and an XFR boost to 4.2GHz), and will cost $549 -- almost half the Threadripper 1950X's $999 asking price, and a fair bit cheaper than the mid-range Threadripper 1920X, which costs $799. In fact, the price is within touching distance of the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, which comes with eight cores and 16 threads, and costs $499.
-Dell Optiplex 5055 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-HP EliteDesk 705 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-Lenovo ThinkCentre M715 desktop PCs are expected to ship in the coming weeks.
-Lenovo ThinkPad A475 and A275 notebook PCs are expected in Q4 2017.
-Ryzen PRO mobile processors are scheduled for launch in the first half of 2018.
The global launch of the Ryzen Pro processors is not the only bit of news AMD announced. The company also announced the release of a new budget Threadripper 1900X model. From a report via TechRadar: AMD has released its 8-core Ryzen Threadripper 1900X processor, offering people who were put off by high price of the flagship 16-core Threadripper 1950X a chance to build a PC with all of the advanced Threadripper features for almost half the cash. As we expected, the Threadripper 1900X will come with eight cores clocked at 3.8GHz, with a turbo that reaches 4.0GHz (and an XFR boost to 4.2GHz), and will cost $549 -- almost half the Threadripper 1950X's $999 asking price, and a fair bit cheaper than the mid-range Threadripper 1920X, which costs $799. In fact, the price is within touching distance of the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, which comes with eight cores and 16 threads, and costs $499.
i7 8 core 3.07G throttled to 1.6 until I get a new heatsink. Still I/O bound before the CPU's maxing out.
I wonder what the point is.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
More competition is good, Intel pretty much sat on their hands for the last long while. In my workstation I really don't care if it is 200W or 10W CPU, but I do care how long I have to wait for something to compute.
I've always been an AMD fan, but their offerings have been lackluster lately. On my gaming rig I finally went Intel and on my regular desktop machine I'm still running AMD but it's an ancient 7-8 year old Phenom II. I haven't had much reason to upgrade it until now but I'm thinking I may finally pull the trigger on a system built on the "budget" Threadripper.
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intel pci-e io sucks!
When will they release the 1-core threadripper without the hypertrheaing?
Does this include some nice hidden "internal managment" platform, that nobody wants or requested, and completely undermines the security of the device?
.. or as in Secure with no backdoors?
Need to see benchmarks of course, but I wonder how much better it is than a i7-x700, which costs $200 less and has better single core performance.
Unlike the recent AMD release of RX Vega which was simply entirely sold out on release, this isn't even OOS, it's just not released. Where's the newegg stock? Even the linked article doesn't have a suggested price.
I'd much rather send businesses to AMD products as they tend to obliterate intel in this space, but that doesn't stop me from criticizing this recent trend in AMD's failure to do a product release correctly.
I refuse to boot Windows 10 for obvious reasons. I need a reliable machine that doesn't change itself on someone else's whim, and therefore refuse to run Windows 10. If I can't control it and trust it not to change, then it's not a tool I'm willing to base my livelihood on.
Will these processors boot Windows 7? Or is there some reason the OS won't or can't boot on them?
Don't be silly, they're not selling IBM's entry level mainframes...
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And it's a FEATURE. Gosh, I'm so happy and thankful to relinquish control over how the thing works after paying you for the privilege. I'm glad that you spend time designing ways to deliberately cripple its functionality instead of making it stable and reliable. Who wants stable and reliable anyway? No, what I want is a chip that has a bunch of sneaky shit embedded inside it, and consumes power checking my decisions, and preventing me from doing things I might want to do.
and I don't mean general purpose CPUs that do double duty but something like this that really is meant for the workstation. If you're just a gamer these CPUs are worse than useless. They sightly under perform the top general purpose CPUs at twice the price. I know time is money, but there's diminishing returns (anyone remember 52x CDR?)
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Yeah you can even do video passthrough and use 7 inside a hypervisor like a regular desktop. From what I've read there is a slight performance hit so gaming would not be the optimal use.
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and I don't mean general purpose CPUs that do double duty but something like this that really is meant for the workstation.
Even "normal" users can push the bounds of their machines with browser based applications and programs like Garage Band.
More and more people are making and editing their own videos.
there will always be a market for those who need to push their machines harder.
GuardMi and SenseMi and TPM 2.0 are all scams to give you a false sense of security while they leave the feds a 'key under the mat' in the form of a crytographically secure 'Platform Support Module', analogous to Intel's ME/AMT technologies, that can access everything in your system with only a few very difficult methods of logging and discovering the activity. All of which require a second uncompromisable system sitting between your AMD/Intel system and the internet, sniffing over every packet and hoping they were sloppy enough to allow discovery.
Furthermore, unlike the Intel hardware the AMD PSP hasn't been proven to have a method to disable the firmware, which combined with the statement that neither minimal firmware for bootstrapping, nor auditable firmware for security analysis will be available makes them just as bad if not worse than Intel at this point in time.
Remember folks, if you're supporting either Intel or AMD in the desktop/notebook space, you're funding the permanent reduction of your digital rights. Just like with Cell Phones.
Remind your friends and ask them 'If you have nothing to hide, then you wouldn't mind me publishing those sexting pics to the internet, would you?'
and I don't mean general purpose CPUs that do double duty but something like this that really is meant for the workstation. If you're just a gamer these CPUs are worse than useless. They sightly under perform the top general purpose CPUs at twice the price. I know time is money, but there's diminishing returns (anyone remember 52x CDR?)
Then again they are not being marketed for gamers. I believe they are being marketed for high end cpu intensive applications like cad and 3d animation software, such as blender. Still, I'm kind of scratching my head there. I'm not sure how big that market would be.
When I built my new i7 system I opted to step down from 8 to 4 cores. From what I have been reading most game engines are optimized for 4 core intel based systems any way. Most games I get over 70 fps on a 4K gaming rig so I think it was good investment.
As for using extra cores for blender, I really don't see the point there. I use blender and like most serous blender users that I know we use the cycles engine and pawn the rendering off to the gpu. To me, it was a better deal to step down the cores and spend the extra $$$ on a better graphics card.
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Which one has the best single core performance?
A little background here. "Threadripper" is a reference to AMD swiftly removing the threads that hold Intel's coin purse together. ;)
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CPU marketed for amateur servers NOT PRICE EFFECTIVE FOR GAMES. ::mind explodes::
Who doesn't want more performance at lower price? I can't be the only person that does more than game on their PC. I just got a Ryzen 7 1700x, maybe not a true workstation CPU, but 8c/16t would have been seen as such not that long ago I guess. I'm gladly giving up a small amount of gaming performance for massive gains in things like video encoding for far less than Intel would have cost me. Just being able to run handbrake on 8 threads and some game on the other 8 and have BOTH perform well at the same time is nice.
I see the list so far and was surprised to see mainly business and enterprise PC's listed? Looks to me like the focus is on design, and intensive graphical applications not gaming rigs. I also question how many anymore build desktop PC's or even buy desktop PC's? This has always been AMD's issue is great products focused on small markets.
AMD desktop boards more pci-e from CPU then intel. How much did intel pay for that post and that raid key only works for DMI switched ones.
On intel desktop boards you have a lot of stuff stacked on the DMI bus. And the intel Enthusiash ones are min cost $1000 to get 44 lanes.
AMD Enthusiast chips have 64 and servers have 128.
Yes. Some people use their computers for computation, not as toys.
The 1900x is looking to be THE go-to processor for data science needs, or really anybody who is serious about massive multithreading or deep learning. You've got more PCIE lanes than anything else on the market, to support multiple GPUs with high-bandwidth x16 PCIE interfaces. Single-thread performance is almost never the bottleneck here, so really what you want to optimize on the maximum number of PCIE lanes per dollar, and this cheap Threadripper wins by a mile.
Time to start prepping the Newegg wish list. And convincing the wife that the bare minimum for this system is a Geforce 1080 Ti... or 4.
amd needs an server range TR chips that can do for people who don't need the full EPYC build out.
But the low end 1 cpu epyc system can make for a nice all flash ZFS node with some 10TB or higher nics.
Or even some CEPH nodes.
As much as I appreciate the price/performance of Ryzen based CPUs and the competition it has sparked, I will stay away from any Zeppelin-Die-based CPUs until AMD provides a proper explanation and fix for the "gcc segmentation fault" bug that haunts Ryzen CPUs.
After many months of not admitting any bug existence to the affected users, AMD finally admitted there is one, yet they neither recalled affected CPUs nor do they tell us how to distinguish affected from unaffected CPUs - so even if you buy a Ryzen today, you can still buy one unsuitable for ordinary gcc compilation tasks.
Given that they cannot (or do not want to) say which CPUs are affected, and given that AMD did never explain a root cause of this bug and how it is fixed, I do not believe they actually have fixed it or know how to fix it. Even CPUs that were manufactured in calender week 25 of 2017 have turned out to be affected!
Why should I believe they fixed this for "Threadripper"?
Sure, they know by now how to test individual CPU exemplars for the bug, and might deliver unaffected ones to the press for reviews. Does that tell me they will do the same testing for the exemplars delivered to the mass market? No.
More information on this bug via https://forum.level1techs.com/... and https://community.amd.com/thre...
Their production going forward has solved the problem. If you get a bad chip they will replace it.
They aren't doing a recall because it would bankrupt them. Pretty shitty when Intel did a total recall for the FDIV bug but... oh well.
I will stay away from any Zeppelin-Die-based CPUs until AMD provides a proper explanation and fix for the "gcc segmentation fault" bug that haunts Ryzen CPUs.
Umm... they already did both of those.
I do not believe they actually have fixed it or know how to fix it.
Why should I believe they fixed this for "Threadripper"?
Well, there's no cure for being an asshole, so you are shit out of luck.
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Their production going forward has solved the problem.
Can you provide a link to any credible source stating this - or the nature of the change to the production process?
And if this was true, then why has AMD returned still-defective CPUs even to people who RMA'd because of exactly this bug in the last few weeks?
They aren't doing a recall because it would bankrupt them.
That does seem plausible, but personally I don't want to be involved in an RMA-until-you-get-lucky game.
I will stay away from any Zeppelin-Die-based CPUs until AMD provides a proper explanation and fix for the "gcc segmentation fault" bug that haunts Ryzen CPUs.
Umm... they already did both of those.
No, they did neither. Please provide a link to that proper explanation and description of the fix you say exists.
What AMD currently does is rather "have some poor guy test N CPUs to find some non-buggy exemplars amongst them and ship those to RMA demanding customers". And as one can see from the reports of affected people, even recently delivered RMA-exchange CPUs (manufactured in CW 30) were still affected: https://docs.google.com/spread...
Thread ripper is not effected as it was tested with Linux as it is based on the Xeon competitior based Epyc. Ryzen I heard was fixed but I do not know. AMD stated it did little testing with linux as it assumed only Windows users would use Ryzen but Ryzen2 would have thorough testing like the threadripper ones which are server/workstation based.
I too would avoid AMD this round as much as I want to cheer them. I will cut them some slack as the Ryzen architecture is brand new and a redesign from scratch. Remember the Core2Dous were blasted by Theo from OpenBSD who listed a large errata with them. If you send an assembler instruction to store data and use graphics the CPU would crash so you would have to write the kernel around the bugs.
I may consider AMD still in the future. The question is was the bug fixed and is hardware related or manufacturer related. Can a microcode update fix it?
http://saveie6.com/
That is not being an asshole. If I blew $900 for a new motherboard/CPU/DDR 4 ram combo you bet I would want blood if what I bought turned out to be bugged and useless.
The customer is always right.
For that kind of money it is reasonable to want thorough QA and a quick RMA by AMD if any last minute bugs did make it.
http://saveie6.com/
Same here. As Gentoo is my primary desktop I'm staying away from these latest AMD parts until the bugs are sorted out.
Then you are in luck because they have been doing RMAs for anyone that has run into this extreme corner case.
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https://twitter.com/snowden/status/837367956229206016
Snowden: "Good moment for AMD to open-source their PSP & firmware. In the next cycles, many will discuss replacing intel."
These blobs, AMD PSP and Intel FSP:
- continue running in Ring -1 after the CPU boots
- are enormous, >1MByte, full Minix kernel, network drivers, basically so close to a hardware rootkit it seems like a bad joke
- get control before the CPU boots, and before trusted boot signature checking begins
- are writable in the flash
- need to stay writable because there have been exploits in them
They undermine the anti-persistence capability of trusted boot: you can persist an exploit in FSP or PSP, and it will be able to bypass boot-time signature checking with its debug access to the main CPU.
They non-optionally and drastically increase the attack surface of a running system with code that is probably available to US & China governments for designing offensive "cyber weapons," but not to security researchers conducting defensive audit.
"We give you some kind of TPM" is the kind of response to this disaster that only a clown could make.
Most games I get over 70 fps on a 4K gaming rig so I think it was good investment.
LOL at "investment". How much money does that 70 fps gaming rig earn you?
LOL at "investment". How much money does that 70 fps gaming rig earn you?
Not as much as it usually does. Only $95 the month before last, and a little over a $100 and some change last month. Not even enough to cover the cost on renting my homestead. But that isn't surprising marketplace sales are kind of slow this time of year.
I could have picked up some slack doing some Dj work or picking up some custom scripting contracts but I really didn't feel like messing with it. Things should pick up as fall starts, but to be honest, its going to be hard to clear $300 bucks. I have to get some new products up on the marketplace.
Wait. You where being a smart ass wasn't you? I bet it never dawned on you that you can use a kickass gaming rig to earn real money inside a game?
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Every AMD CPU I ever bought was riddled with problems. Sorry...