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Facebook Has Mapped the Entire Human Population of Earth (cnbc.com)

Facebook doesn't only know what its 2 billion users "Like." It now knows where 7.5 billion humans live, everywhere on earth, to within 15 feet. From a report: The company has created a data map of the planet's entire human population by combining government census numbers with information it's obtained from space satellites, according to Janna Lewis, Facebook's head of strategic innovation partnerships and sourcing. The mapping technology, which Facebook says it developed itself, can pinpoint any man-made structures in any country on earth to a resolution of five meters. Facebook is using the data to understand the precise distribution of humans around the planet.

160 comments

  1. Well thats not creepy at all... by sjbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just when I think Facebook can't be more creepy and intrusive they manage to surprise me.

    1. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just when I think Facebook can't be more creepy and intrusive they manage to surprise me.

      Just wait until they introduce implantable RFID chips in some manner palatable to the common idiot.

    2. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Headw1nd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is honestly next-level supervillain shit. I'm impressed.

    3. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news, Facebook MilBook(tm) product was caught planning the first total war against the whole humanity at the same time. The people responsible will not be punished for lack of ethics, as a secret deal was reached with the governments involved in prosecution.

    4. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      This means they know where their advertising coverage is good, and where it is bad. This lets them target the under-monetized regions. This also lets them know where their competition is gaining ground so they can crush them, but without hurting their profitability everywhere else.

    5. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really wish I could travel back in time and just setup shop in a simpler time when we were not monitored. We have absolutely no privacy anymore.

    6. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I signed up for Facebook very recently at the persistent urging of a group of friends. I was moving away and so, after years of intentionally avoiding Facebook due to privacy concerns, gave in and signed up so that I could keep in touch. I figured that as long as I was careful (fake birth date, restricting who could view my page, posting minimal personal information, not logging in with my primary computer, ect.) then they wouldn't be able to track me too much.

      Creepy describes what I got indeed. Before even making any friend requests or even viewing anyone else's page, Facebook already had a large number of friend suggestions already prepared. Some of which were recent people I saw regularly, which made some sense, but some where people I had only met a few times years ago. Facebook tracks you, whether or not you have an account. I don't know all the ways they track you, but I assume the phone app is a major one. As long as people running the app have your name & number in their phone, Facebook starts to build a profile based on the secondary data they gather, even if you are security and privacy minded in your own actions. There really should be laws against gathering data on people who never agreed to be part of your network.

      Still not entirely certain if I made the right decision to finally, after so many years, sign up. But I do not like or trust Facebook. The concept is good, I like that part of it, but there really does need to be stronger regulations concerning tracking and privacy.

    7. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      someone has too much time on their hands. mark...get a life with your wife and enjoy it dude. i am so glad i do not use facebook.

    8. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if Apple's and Google's security on were good enough to prevent this. They allow this corporate spyware to be installed via their online market places without any real restriction on intrusive GPS features which we simply do not need 90% of the time.

      Then crap like this would not happen. We have to start securing devices so GPS is used for navigational apps only, simple. The problem being navigational apps are run by another huge platfrom that could misuse said data as well. So, where is the regulation on this? Oh lets see the next headline "Facebook publishes all its customer credit card numbers now because its cool, wow".

      This wreaks of nothing but just simple irresponsibility and it will be used as a tool to accelerate stock prices.

    9. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't this *the* plan of 2nd Captain America movie? (well, targeting and selective elimination would follow).

    10. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The Zuck is going to run for President in 2020 as an Independent.

      It's going to assure a 2020 victory for either Trump or Pence.

      In Early 2021 Facebook will be a smoking hole in the ground because the Antifa-Fashionists will be driven to an uncontainable rage.

    11. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially when you don't have a f*c*book account.

      --
      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    12. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by slick7 · · Score: 2

      So, you can be served up on a platter for someone(thing) higher up on the food chain than you.

      --
      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    13. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess: You're a pro user of Android, Hangouts and Google+

    14. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait ?

      Never understimate idiots, they are very fast and there're so many...

    15. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think Zuck will be worse at spin and rhetoric than Trump? They both seem very good at convincing people to go along with their agenda.

    16. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure about the film but targetting is business as usual at Facebook

    17. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump hasn't gotten a damn thing done lol. Check your crack pipe, I think it might be cherry.

    18. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not keep in touch with your friends and family without putting Facebook in the middle? You know, like we used to do before Facebook was a thing?

      It still works.

    19. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They know your real birth date, probably your SSN too, where you grew up, all of your friends you've ever had and even your relatives you never knew you had.

      You didn't make the right decision, but they already knew all of this about you without you ever signing up, you just validated their information regardless of you providing them false info.

    20. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Not hardly. Knowing where each individual person lives is creepy, but that data pretty much already exists. This isn't even personalized to that level, so it's just a set of data saying "people live in these places".

      Slashdot is a schizophrenic's dream hangout, though.

    21. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Just when I think Facebook can't be more creepy and intrusive they manage to surprise me.

      The really fucked up part is they won't lose a single customer over it.

    22. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The headline is a bit misleading. The editorializing even more so:
      "It now knows where 7.5 billion humans live, everywhere on earth, to within 15 feet. "

      Satellite data with 3m granularity has been around for some time now and that had nothing to do with Facebook. All Facebook did was to combine that data with census data and its own data.

    23. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would they lose customers over combining government census numbers with information it's obtained from space satellites? It has nothing to do with their social networking site.

    24. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Few years ago they did a similar thing as an academic super computing exercise. They could map an area of a size of California in minutes, if I recall correctly. Take a pair of oil tankers and a satellite, put a super computer in one of them and an automatic cruise missile launcher in the other. Destroy all humans from any California sized part of the world. "Profit".

    25. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Just wait until they introduce implantable RFID chips in some manner palatable to the common idiot.

      Hey, if it gets me free games, sign me up!

    26. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would never in a million, no billion years, vote for Trump. But I'd sooner see Trump elected Dictator for Life of the Earth than vote for Zuckerberg.

    27. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    28. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's it. I'm buying a slightly used nuclear submarine.

    29. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I just had a colonoscopy, in which I agreed in advance, in case there was a medical necessity to implant devices, which I thought a little creepy.

      You're saying I should have looked to see WHOSE devices?

      --
      -Styopa
    30. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Why would they lose customers over combining government census numbers with information it's obtained from space satellites? It has nothing to do with their social networking site.

      They won't lose customers because none of them give a shit about privacy anymore.

      Oh, and this activity has nothing to do with social media. They'll merely try and sell it that way, in much the same way they've been trying to innocently label themselves as just a social networking site.

    31. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Hangouts is pretty good for some things. Granted I have only found it useful for having table top RPG sessions with friends that are widely dispersed across the world but it works pretty good for that. I only use is about twice a month but it works good for that.

      --
      Time to offend someone
    32. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      If Facebook was literally crawling up your ass I think that's about as fucked as they can make you, though it probably would have been wise to check off a list of devices you would approve of and possibly classes of devices you definitely would not under any condition.

    33. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "Chip me"! ?

    34. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by TommyWatts · · Score: 1

      Better hope it doesn't have a "self-destruct." They can literally blow your ass up..

    35. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you mean he hasnt got a damn thing done ? he got elected president of a superpower and controls enough nuclear weapons to end the world 4 times over in 15 minutes.

    36. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      That's really scary, because if any of the "bad guys" ever hack into facebook and get their hands on that information . . . . wait . . . . facebook IS the "bad guys".

      Imagine a time where the world is run by a handful of large corporations. We're there. Even governments can't control Google, Amazon, facebook, etc..

    37. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by infolation · · Score: 2

      Facebook used satellite-based data

      always carry umbrella shaped like piece of rock, check

      and government census information

      never co-operate with the authorities, check

      to map the Earth's entire human population. The data set has a resolution of five meters and knows where man-made structures are everywhere on the planet.

      live in cave, check

    38. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had a colonoscopy, in which I agreed in advance, in case there was a medical necessity to implant devices, which I thought a little creepy.

      You do know that colonoscopy is essentially a device implant, right?

    39. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally. But rest assured, if it's at all as accurate as their targeted advertising, no one really has anything to worry about. For starters, the census is really only an estimate. Lots of talk, very little to show. That's pretty much the Zuckerburg M.O.

    40. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This also lets them know where their competition is gaining ground so they can crush them, but without hurting their profitability everywhere else.

      So, air-gap your creative work. Keep an eye.

    41. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I think his point was that Google is just as creepy as Facebook. Interacting with either of them on a voluntary basis is a questionable decision, but regularly interacting with one of them while avoiding the other because it's creepy is just silly.

      --
      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    42. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      better to have your freedom chip than 2 have the killer-clowns/anti-fa/popular bogeyman of the day get u

    43. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Just when I think Facebook can't be more creepy and intrusive they manage to surprise me.

      Next step: declare all the mapped people to be citizens of the seasteaded Republic of Zuckerbergia. Muahahahahahaha!

    44. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the past you were always watched too: God sees everything!
       
      Smarter people knew better of course, but the majority were simple believers. The big difference was that smart people could still pretend to believe and move up in the society. Today Facebook and Google see everything and the only way to hide is to no longer use internet or appear in public. You can no longer move up in society when you have a different op ipinion.
       
      This must be how it felt for the Greek in the Roman Empire. Knowing the Romans have turned you into slaves, but being powerless about it. Knowing that social media steal you personal life and having no power against it except to start living like the Amish.

    45. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Sure. Just say you're a Nazi or Racist if you don't get the chip. That's all you have to do to make so much of the world do anything they don't want to do. Yea, rape, pillage, screw us big time but don't call us a racist. Anything but that. Looking at you Merkel, Obama, Macron, May, etc.

    46. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even governments can't control Google, Amazon, facebook, etc

      Sure they can. It's called blockading their data centers and severing power / transmission cables until they do as they are told. Sooner or later the company shareholders will want money, and they'll give the proper OKs and authorizations to their minions.

      Now for us, we're screwed. Congratulations everyone! You wanted a dystopia, well you're going to get it. Soon, anything you've ever done will be searchable and judge-able at the push of a button. You will be held accountable for everything regardless of age at time of offense, legality at time of offense, or sentence served. From now on, all sentences will be forever sentences. You will be constantly punished for everything you do, as if you had just done it within the last two seconds. People will judge you and hold grudges against you for it forever. There will not be a single place on this earth or anywhere in human society where you will be free of absolute judgement. But hey, that's what you wanted right? For everyone to pay for their "sins"? Well, you wanted hell, here it is, and it's here to stay.

    47. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by dddux · · Score: 1

      I can tell you how. X+Y=XY In other words, you've been mentioned. And yes, that is creepy. :/

      --
      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
    48. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      all in the name of science

      --
      Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
    49. Re:Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But had you refused to sign, they would not have given you the medical care you really needed.

      Talk about extortion!

    50. Re: Well thats not creepy at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Already done if you have a tap and go credit card.

  2. Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They really haven't.

    1. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing it doesn't have good data on North Korea.

    2. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I, too, have a very difficult time believing that they have accurate data about all of the African, Afghani and Middle Eastern illegal aliens that have been essentially invading Europe the past 3 or 4 years. Many of these people have no record of existence in their home nations. If they do have some sort of identification, they try to destroy it. Even European authorities find it exceedingly difficult to figure out who the hell these invaders actually are.

      Then there are all of the babies who were born well into the ongoing conflicts in places like Syria, Yemen and Iraq. Are they properly documented and registered? Likely not, since these regions don't necessarily even have anything resembling modern governmental infrastructure or capabilities. (Why there are people reproducing in the middle of war zones is beyond me. Bringing a child into such a situation is one of the most disrespectful and offensive things they could possibly do.)

      Then there are all of the tribes in remote areas of South America and Africa that are literally 12,000 years behind the rest of humanity. Some of them barely understand the concept of even the most primitive clothing. When a society doesn't even have the concept of footwear, they really don't have the concept of tracking births and deaths in any meaningful way!

      I doubt these millions upon millions of people are being tracked in any meaningful way.

    3. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but millions upon millions is still what? A fraction of 1% of 7.5 billion? Your exceptions are just that—exceptions. Even if the 7.5 billion figure is exaggerated, Facebook really is that creepy.

    4. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I, too, have a very difficult time believing that they have accurate data about all of the African, Afghani and Middle Eastern illegal aliens that have been essentially invading Europe the past 3 or 4 years. M

      This. And this.

    5. Re:Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then there are all of the tribes in remote areas of South America

      You're talking ~1.000.000 ppl.

  3. NK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even in North Korea? That just smacks to me that they have CIA funding. The CIA used to do the Worldbook fact thing, Now all they have is Facebook.

    1. Re:NK? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The CIA Fac[et]book?

  4. you cannot escape the monster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if you never signed up. Even if you block their IP ranges. You cannot escape. People wave phones around, take photos, immediately upload them to Facebook. Facebook performs biometric analysis on everyone in the photo, even non-Facebook users, for "shadow profiles".

    What's that? You think you turned away in time? Oh, sorry:

    Since then, Facebook has continued to deepen and enrich its facial recognition technologies. An algorithm from the company’s artificial intelligence research group managed the seemingly impossible task of recognizing people 83% of the time even when their faces were not visible.

    Unless you are a hermit who never leaves his cave and has no friends, you ARE in Facebook's database, whether you signed up or not. Your image has been recorded, your face has been associated with your identity and your home address and thus forth. Unless you are among the few who block FB IP ranges, also associated with your internet usage when not on FB itself.

    You cannot escape this monster. You can try, but your friends and family are agents of it now too.

    1. Re:you cannot escape the monster. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Unless you are a hermit who never leaves his cave and has no friends...

      China.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    2. Re:you cannot escape the monster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you never signed up. Even if you block their IP ranges. You cannot escape. People wave phones around, take photos, immediately upload them to Facebook. Facebook performs biometric analysis on everyone in the photo, even non-Facebook users, for "shadow profiles".

      What's that? You think you turned away in time? Oh, sorry:

      Since then, Facebook has continued to deepen and enrich its facial recognition technologies. An algorithm from the company’s artificial intelligence research group managed the seemingly impossible task of recognizing people 83% of the time even when their faces were not visible.

      Unless you are a hermit who never leaves his cave and has no friends, you ARE in Facebook's database, whether you signed up or not. Your image has been recorded, your face has been associated with your identity and your home address and thus forth. Unless you are among the few who block FB IP ranges, also associated with your internet usage when not on FB itself.

      You cannot escape this monster. You can try, but your friends and family are agents of it now too.

      It's lucky you don't know what I'm currently doing with your information because if you did find out you would immediately shit yourself and then die of shock.

      So maybe you should stop winding yourself up so much, unless you really want tagged photos of your poopy panted corpse all over Facebook.

  5. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No map in TFA.

    -1 Irrelevant.

  6. It's you Facebook, isn't it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was gonna write "can you get any more creepy?"

    But then I took a step back and now I suspect they are already in my head!

  7. Don't panic by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now now, let's not all panic. Perhaps Facebook intends to do only good things with all this information!

    --
    Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    1. Re:Don't panic by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Now now, let's not all panic. Perhaps Facebook intends to do only good things with all this information!

      Unlikely, only Google does no evil.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Don't panic by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Says Stavros Bloefeld.

      --
      The mind conceives, the body achieves, the spirit manifests.
    3. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thanks for the laugh :D

    4. Re:Don't panic by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Where is my funny but absolutely horrifying and true option? Really find myself needing that mod option more and more lately.

    5. Re:Don't panic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...no, no, no...you misunderstood...they said "Here at Google International we've got this motto: we say 'do know evil', and we live by that every day."...

    6. Re:Don't panic by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Perhaps Facebook intends to do only good things with all this information!

      I'm sure that bail bond agencies ("Bounty Hunters") and loan collection outfits will pay top dollar for this valuable information service.

      Maybe you are very good about going into hiding, and not giving away where you are. But maybe your friends and family are unintentionally not so careful.

      An expensive Facebook report of your friends and family might indicate where you are.

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    7. Re:Don't panic by mikael · · Score: 1

      Try going into London just to visit a conference event. No sooner than I'm off the train than tourists are going clicky-clicky with all their cameras. Everything - each other getting off the train, the historic clocks, the other trains, the platform. That's one set of cameras. Going through the crowns waiting for trains? More pictures taken. Walking past street corners? Selfie-stick time. Sit inside a sandwich shop? Someone's got to take a picture of that as well.

      The freaky thing was that I never entered or went near one shop less than 50 meters, except to look in that direction for 20 seconds. Now they are sending me junk mail ...

      --
      Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
  8. BS by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Total BS. But it makes a good story.

    1. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it BS? In 2009 an artist calculate the distance between people in the US and the closest McDonalds. That was eight years ago.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6380193/McFarthest-point-in-the-US-from-a-McDonalds.html

    2. Re:BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the expert who spends his day posting on slashdot.

      fuck off.

  9. X2 quote by gachunt · · Score: 1

    "Now find them. Find them all- the humans. Kill them."

  10. They have the targeting information by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    Now all they need is a few billion robot drones. Or a satellite laser system.

    Maybe they could sell the information to the appropriate governments looking for some people.

    1. Re:They have the targeting information by trg83 · · Score: 1

      I pity you if you believe they haven't already sold such information. There are clear connections between Facebook and the CIA.

    2. Re:They have the targeting information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you kidding?
      The US government would have demanded the data for free as soon as they learned about it.

      Assuming they didn't have better data already.

  11. The Defintion of Terrorism by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (US Citizen) "Hey guys, check this out. I combined information and I know where every single human on the planet is."

    (US Government) "Seize the terrorists assets immediately and throw him in prison indefinitely."

    [Meanwhile, over in the land of Too Valuable To Fail...]

    (Facebook) "Hey guys, check this out. We combined information and we know where every single human on the planet is."

    (US Government) "Oh wow, hey cool. Mind if we get a piece of that? Sweet, thx."

    1. Re:The Defintion of Terrorism by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Mandatory onion news. Just as funny/scary/true as it was in 2011.

    2. Re:The Defintion of Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Land of the Free, so long as you're a megacorp... Says it all really.

    3. Re:The Defintion of Terrorism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      (Facebook) "Hey guys, check this out. We combined information and we know where every single human on the planet is."

      (US Government) "Oh wow, hey cool. Mind if we get a piece of that? Sweet, thx."

      Nah, more realistically:

      NSA: "Nice to see the civilian sector has finally caught up after 10 years. Maybe the CIA/FBI can pester them instead of us now".

  12. Well thats not Google at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any more creepy than Google?

  13. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is true, perhaps Zuckerberg should be arrested for not assisting the authorities in locating all wanted terrorists, since Facebook apparently know where they are within a range of 15 feet.

    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That raises the question of who the terrorists are.

      Radical muslims?
      MS13 and other gangs?
      Antifa? ...or...

      Christians?
      Conservatives?
      Nationalists?

    2. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All thee above.

  14. Not enough users for Facebook... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" by Antonio Garcia Martinez, Facebook only has 2.5B+ people to convert into users. User growth stalls out after that as the few billion people who aren't users live in areas too remote for Internet access. Facebook will have to find new ways to grow that doesn't rely on adding new users in the future.

    1. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All they need to do is program bots for all of the non-users based on the info they have on them. Most people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. Hell, replace the actual users with bots you're at it. Unlink the timeline from real time and Facebook could see into the future (backfilling with real data to keep the predictions close to reality). Eventually, Facebook will just be a massive collective of billions of bots generating marketing data. Some might say they already are.

    2. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You can still buy that book at abe.com for $7.86 including shipping.

      Don't click on creimier's referral link.

    3. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DUH, when you run out of new users the obvious solution is to run more ads, preferably with sound, to increase engagement and profitability of your existing users.

    4. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Facebook becomes a Landru like religion then you may just have to pretend to be absorbed.

    5. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't click on creimier's referral link.

      More than that, never click on a fucking URL shortened link ... ever.

      Because you really have no fucking clue what you're clicking on. Either some asshole trying to ensure he gets a commission on the sale, or malware. It's simply not possible to trust any URL in that form.

      If you click on one, you're basically playing internet roulette.

    6. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      According to "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" by Antonio Garcia Martinez, Facebook only has 2.5B+ people to convert into users. User growth stalls out after that as the few billion people who aren't users live in areas too remote for Internet access. Facebook will have to find new ways to grow that doesn't rely on adding new users in the future.

      Facebook will need to pioneer galactic enrollment net. Ping times will suck for a while. Like 200 years for that hot Orion chick to click like.

    7. Re: Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this filth modded up. Fuck this site. Blatant spam by a blatant spammer.

    8. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      If Facebook becomes a Landru like religion then you may just have to pretend to be absorbed.

      You don't want to be declared Not of the Body.

    9. Re: Not enough users for Facebook... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      How is this filth modded up. Fuck this site. Blatant spam by a blatant spammer.

      1) The comment is relevant. 2) The comment attracted other comments. 3) I'm having such a karma whoring power trip, my trolls are petrified (or they took off for the weekend).

    10. Re: Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not relevant. The article is specifically about how they plan to address those without internet access. So your book reference is a wasted reference as the problem is discusses is solved directly by the actual topic of the article. You're like one of those customer service chatbots that just keys in on a few words and then regurgitates a form letter response that has almost no chance at being the right response.

    11. Re: Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In truth, creimer has posted more or less the exact same comment dozens of times.

      He's not "LIKE" one of those customer service chatbots... he IS one of those customer service chatbots.

      He's just smellier, and consumes far more energy every day.

    12. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by careysub · · Score: 3, Interesting

      According to "Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley" by Antonio Garcia Martinez, Facebook only has 2.5B+ people to convert into users. User growth stalls out after that as the few billion people who aren't users live in areas too remote for Internet access. Facebook will have to find new ways to grow that doesn't rely on adding new users in the future.

      Or (actually "and") they could take it upon themselves to push Internet out to those remaining billions. Something like this.

      If you read the Wired article you will see that this mapping project is part of this 'universal Internet' access plan. And you will also see that 'universal access' means just having an Internet connection. It is not a net-neutral ISP connection. It is a "Facebook selected set of services" connection. They get on because Facebook says "yes". If there is any money to made now, or in the future, it will be Facebook's.

      According to Zuckerberg this is the epitome of "net neutrality" since the most discriminatory thing is not to have Internet, that, and the fact that he is permitting a few hundred other services on the connection compensates for the fact that he has complete control over that connection.

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    13. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by careysub · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    14. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VIRUS ALERT!!! WANNACRY VIRUS IN LINK!!!!

      Chaos Monkeys DIRECT AMAZON LINK!!

      Don't give your PERSONAL INFORMATION to creimer!!!

    15. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound bitter, sweet tits

    16. Re:Not enough users for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Repetition is a symptom of autism, creimer

  15. try to map me, facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    signed,
    AC

  16. Gosh damn... by adosch · · Score: 1

    [sigh]Creepy.[/sigh] I think privacy has been over for some time in all our heads and gut feelings. But this is 100% documented proof now. Yikes.

    1. Re:Gosh damn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all publicly accessible census and satellite imagery. It's not pinpointing where you personally live. It's just identifying houses from satellite images, and estimating how many people live in each based on census data.

  17. Translation.... by Sebby · · Score: 1

    can pinpoint any man-made structures in any country on earth to a resolution of five meters. Facebook is using the data to understand the precise distribution of humans around the planet.

    Translation: stalk.

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  18. Well ... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    that's got to be a bitch to fold.

    1. Re:Well ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      "Do not fold, bend, spindle, or mutilate."

      I think we have our homework assignment.

  19. Horrifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the most dystopian sci-fi thing I've ever read.

  20. WHY DO THEY NEED TO DO THIS!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook needs to GO AWAY.

  21. Extra Creepy by ACE209 · · Score: 1

    Pinpoint this one finger salute, Facebook.

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    1. Re:Extra Creepy by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Pinpoint this one finger salute, Facebook.

      TFS said this . . .

      The mapping technology, which Facebook says it developed itself, can pinpoint any man-made structures in any country on earth to a resolution of five meters.

      . . . so you'll need to build a big one finger salute statue on your front lawn . . . big enough to be picked up by Facebook's satellites.

      Just remember to tell the neighbors that it is not directed at them, but at Facebook.

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    2. Re:Extra Creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that your penis, or are you just happy to see me?

    3. Re:Extra Creepy by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I see I have found one of the lucky 10,000 today who has never heard of drawing in a lawn with fertilizer. Get one area to be greener and thicker than the rest, draw what ever you like. In high school we all ways did something obscene on the football field for homecoming because our school sucked and we didn't care. Put the fertilizer down Shawshank Redemption style during gym class.

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  22. "space satellites" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh! That kind!

  23. Negative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a meat popsicle.

  24. Not enough cows for Facebook... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook will have to find new ways to grow that doesn't rely on adding new users in the future.

    If you listen carefully you can hear the milking machine running in the background.

  25. They wish that was true by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    Until around 2 years ago, some IP geo-locations tools were missing my actual location by over 900 km. Even nowadays, they rarely get my town and associate my network with neighbour cities up to 100 km away. My ISP is the biggest provider in Spain and I have a pretty standard dynamic-IP package. I don't use VPNs, proxies or similar approaches other than sporadically.

    During the last quite a few months, I have been sharing a lot of information about myself online. I have written many posts about different issues and regularly updated my two sites, both of them with a relevant amount of information and quite search-friendly. But I am still getting involved in many misunderstandings, references to what I deleted years ago, inclusions in nothing-to-do-with-me categories, I rarely see advertisement which is appealing to me or to the generic group where I should be included, etc.

    Something as simple as not including my own picture or regularly communicating in English despite living in Spain or simply not having the typical social-media activity are issues which seem very tricky for these systems. They seem to rely on very simplistic assumptions and to not be able to understand even slightly complex scenarios. I don't think that they are in a position to really maximise most of the collected information; certainly not for a big proportion of the worldwide population.

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    1. Re: They wish that was true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact is that they have a vast repository of information about a large international slice of humanity that they can data mine forever. They will squeeze that data and use the results in any way they please. Maybe even to make a king.

    2. Re: They wish that was true by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      The fact is that they have a vast repository of information about a large international slice of humanity

      Just having isn't too relevant; at least, not nowadays when everyone knows that personal information is being systematically collected everywhere. It is like having lots of money which you cannot spend: apparently important, but actually useless. In any case, I am not defending these behaviours, just being practical and realistic about what I cannot control.

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    3. Re:They wish that was true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The proprietary IP-address-to-location mappings of FaceBook, Google, Apple, Verizon, and others who combine IP address with GPS and wireless access point or cell tower location are much more accurate and precise than anything available to you and me through more widely-available IP geolocation services and databases. The fact that what you see is off by 900km or even 100km doesn't mean what the big companies see is off by even 50 meters.

      Most people in the US (and presumably many other places) have the facebook app installed on their phones. The app has access not only to IP address, but also GPS location (about 15 meter precision), and the name/network address of all wireless routers within range of the phone any time that the app is running (which can often be triangulated to increase precision to better than 15 meters).

      Even if you don't have the app and nobody with the app has ever visited your home, someone with the app has probably driven past at some point, allowing facebook to log the location data.

    4. Re:They wish that was true by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      Mobile devices are certainly much easier to track. Also if you have access to the given machine (via app as you suggest or OS or even hardware firmware), the location can also be tracked much more accurately. Although my post was mostly focused on highlighting the poor understanding skills of systems collecting tons of information. Tracking a specific device/person is one thing; automatically managing millions of devices and properly understanding all that information is a completely different story.

      So, if Zuckerberg is obsessed with you and wants to know where you are exactly in each specific moment, he might be able to track you pretty accurately (don't complain or it would be worse! LOL). But if you are a random person whose personal information is included in one of these huge data repositories, the chances of the corresponding automated system having a proper understanding about you are pretty low.

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    5. Re:They wish that was true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I use my phone as a wifi hotspot, my friends' geolocations have been teleported to places they've never been to (but I have). Somehow these databases assume that wifi means static. Idiots.

    6. Re:They wish that was true by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If your ISP uses the same DHCP pool for a wide area, that will happen. Of course, large companies might pay for data from other tracking sites where you have provided that info (Facebook, Google, etc). But by IP address alone, it's unlikely.

    7. Re:They wish that was true by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      But by IP address alone, it's unlikely.

      This was part of my point: abstract statements sounding like implying much more than what is really in there. Additionally and even in case that they could accurately track my location in a given moment, having a system automatically managing the information of millions of people and adequately putting together/regularly updating all that, actually having a proper understanding about most of these people is quite improbable. In summary, the title "Facebook Has Mapped the Entire Human Population of Earth" doesn't mean what it seems to imply.

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    8. Re:They wish that was true by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I think you underestimate how many people use Facebook on a mobile device with full access to location services - and in 3rd-world countries there are few desktop web site users anyway. They would have a pretty accurate mapping, even if it's not 1:1 per every human.

    9. Re:They wish that was true by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      I think you underestimate how many people use Facebook on a mobile device with full access to location services - and in 3rd-world countries there are few desktop web site users anyway. They would have a pretty accurate mapping, even if it's not 1:1 per every human.

      I don't think so, but cannot sure. I am sure about something though: they want as many people as possible to think that this is the case. Facebook and most of the other big internet-based companies get most of their money from advertisement. Paying for ads is just means to the end of having appealing-to-the-advertiser audience caring about those ads. Anything showing that Facebook actually has valuable insights into potential customers makes them more attractive to advertisers.

      From my experience in data management, honesty of big-company claims and even as a customer never getting appealing-to-me ads, I don't think that this is the case. Until I don't start regularly seeing actually-relevant-to-me ads denoting an actual understanding of my personality (even just being compatible with what I expressly tell about myself online), I wouldn't think that all these claims are even slightly true.

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  26. Seems Implausible by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

    Facebook claims to know where everyone lives...and Google Maps can't even find our house - it's claimed to be on a side street behind us where other houses that are on that side street are. They (Google) fixed it once after 6 correction submissions over 2 years, but it got retconned.

    1. Re:Seems Implausible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA. Once again, the Slashdot headline is incredibly misleading. They know where man-made structures are, *not* where you are.

  27. Im a premium product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook have to pay for my location which they appear to be unwilling to do. Too bad.
    Maybe I overvalue myself or maybe they undervalue me. Either way, Im not for free.

  28. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luv that gerrymandering data.

  29. Even in NK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even in North Korea?

  30. Entire Human Population by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Entire Human Population"

    Perhaps "entire" doesn't mean what you think it does?

  31. harmless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who here thinks that FB is just a simple ad-revenue company anymore?

  32. Already been done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608156/global-urban-footprint-revealed-in-unprecedented-resolution/

  33. American cheese, hotdogs, and Facebook by Ebsolas · · Score: 1

    There are some things that are better to not think about.

  34. Already done in Germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    arxiv.org/abs/1706.04862:

    Breaking New Ground In Mapping Human Settlements From Space—The Global Urban Footprint

  35. Global Urban Footpriny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Total BS. But it makes a good story.

    https://geoservice.dlr.de/web/maps/eoc:guf:4326

  36. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've mapped humans living in fixed structures at a point-in-time when the census was taken, plus people who have a fixed abode and either a public location and/or are a Facebook user. In some countries, census data is only released publicly in a non-aggregated form a long time afterwards (for the UK, it's 100 years). I'm not even sure all countries *have* a census, and certainly there are nomadic tribes, refugees, other homeless people, who won't be covered because... well, they don't have a fixed location.

    I smell some lovely bovine excrement here, probably aimed at selling more adverts. Then again, if it's as accurate as their "targeted ads" they probably have 90% of the population of the world located on an iceberg in the the Antarctic.

    1. Re: No by rjejr · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the common sense. You also left out migratory workers, illegal apartments and squatters. And John Rambo in First Blood. 80% maybe, I'm feeling generous. Probably more like 40% if that, those barriors or whatever outside of Mexico City are like an ant hill.

  37. Zuckerberg == ASSHOLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone shoot that bastard in the head, then burn Facebook to the ground. Evil, evil, EVIL.

  38. What the fuck? Article contradicts summary by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

    Where the fuck did this 7.5 billion people, "every person on earth" come from?

    The article clearly says they have coverage of 23 countries, and "millions" of people.

    It now knows where millions of humans live, everywhere on Earth, to within 15 feet.

    The company has created a data map of the human population by combining government census numbers with information it's obtained from space satellites, according to Janna Lewis, Facebook's head of strategic innovation partnerships and sourcing. A Facebook representative later told CNBC that this map currently covers 23 countries

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  39. Crimes against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Could somebody please sue Facebook / Zuckerberg for crimes against humanity? It's mass espionage of all people in all countries on the Earth, most of them without any consent. Somebody should stand up against tyranny of the global corporations like Facebook, and individuals with messiah complex trying to force everybody their only right image of the world no matter what.

  40. EU right to be forgotten by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    I wonder if the EU will do the right thing and extend its right to be forgotten proposals to allow you to demand that facebook, et al, remove all of that information about you? The other thing that might be fun is doing a subject access request and have facebook tell you everything that they know about you.

  41. That's disgusting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am absolutely baffled at these developments. I protest with all strength of my heart. I can’t believe we [humans] are taking this kind of crap with such a resignation. My stomach revolves as I write this. Such a loss.

  42. Facebook is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the next Hitler.

  43. Spend more money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... knows where 7.5 billion humans live, everywhere on earth, to within 15 feet ...

    It doesn't know what they're buying, who they're fucking, or what crimes they're committing: It's quite a distance from 'big brother' power. It'll take a lot of money to answer those questions.

    Do you think it's easy to give people digital banking/shopping, a digital wall for posting their selfies, a networked, mobile surveillance device? Umm, never mind.

  44. Oh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait...they used census data? Oh yea, the "international census" (that doesn't exist).

    I'm gonna call bullshit on this article.

  45. Are you worried about Zuckerberg by Tulsa_Time · · Score: 1

    Running for President yet ???

    You should be...

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  46. Escape if you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you think if anyone would not use their Facebook id anymore and stop using a smartphone, the police or government will tag them as rogue, as they have something to hide and start tracking them somehow else.

  47. Not surprised... by PaxtonProjects · · Score: 1

    *pretends to be shocked* But seriously, it's still creepy.

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  48. Hooray! by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Now no one will ever be lost again!

    Or, on the other hand, you now can find where to go to really be alone!

    Unless it doesn't work that way. With Facebook, who knows?

  49. On the internet none knows you're a dog...or does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before 2004 they used to say the good thing about internet was that no one knows you're a dog (meaning people judged others by their messages or contributions, not by their circumstance or class). I guess now GAFAM knows that you are a dog, where your kennel is and where do you hide your bones. Time to go dig and bite cables.

  50. FaceBook Inc aka FBI by zilym · · Score: 1

    Of course they've been tracking you before you signed up. They're a branch of the FBI afterall.

    What? You didn't really believe the FBI still drives around in black windowless vans with "Flowers by Irene" painted on the sides did you? Its so much more efficient for them to use your friends and electronics to spy on you than all that old tech.

  51. Facebook free internet is a walled garden by bowersox · · Score: 1

    Facebook says it will use its map data to help bring free internet access to un-served communities. BUT the 'Free Basics' internet service only provides restricted access to certain websites!

    That prompted "65 advocacy groups from 31 countries [to] release an open letter to Mark Zuckerberg, calling then-Internet.org a 'walled garden' in which the world’s poorest people only have access to a limited set of online services approved by Facebook and local carriers," according to a Mashable report* in 2016.

    In a final shot of irony, if you want to read that open letter, it is hosted on none other than Facebook itself**:
    https://www.facebook.com/notes...

    * "Just bringing Facebook's internet to Africa won't be enough" http://mashable.com/2016/11/04...

    ** Actually, some of the 65 advocacy groups posted their own copy of the letter, and some groups such as Open Media wrote follow-up letters with specific policy recommendations for Facebook to help keep the internet open: https://openmedia.org/sites/de...

  52. Delete Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get rid of Facebook.

    It gives you nothing but your own social life, which you own anyway.

    Delete it!