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Google Conducted Hollywood 'Interventions' To Change Look of Computer Scientists (usatoday.com)

theodp writes: Most TV computer scientists are still white men," USA Today reports. "Google wants to change that. Google is calling on Hollywood to give equal screen time to women and minorities after a new study the internet giant funded found that most computer scientists on television shows and in the movies are played by white men. The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science, says Daraiha Greene, Google CS in Media program manager, multicultural strategy." According to a Google-funded study conducted by Prof. Stacy L. Smith and the Media, Diversity, & Social Change Initiative at the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism, Google's Computer Science in Media team conducted "CS interventions" with "like-minded people" to create "Google influenced storytelling." The executive summary for a USC study entitled Cracking the Code: The Prevalence and Nature of Computer Science Depictions in Media notes that "Google influenced" TV programs include HBO's Silicon Valley and AMC's Halt and Catch Fire. The USC researchers also note that "non-tech focused programs may offer prime opportunities to showcase CS in unique and counter-stereotypical ways. As the Google Team moves forward in its work with series such as Empire, Girl Meets World, Gortimer Gibbons Life on Normal Street, or The Amazing Adventures of Gumball, it appears the Team is seizing these opportunities to integrate CS into storytelling without a primary tech focus." The study adds, "In the case of certain series, we provided on-going advisement. The Fosters, Miles from Tomorrowland, Halt and Catch Fire, Ready, Jet, Go, The Powerpuff Girls and Odd Squad are examples of this. In addition to our continuing interactions, we engaged in extensive PR and marketing support including social media outreach, events and press."

Google's TV interventions have even spilled over into public education -- one of Google-sponsored Code.org's signature Hour of Code tutorials last December was Gumball's Coding Adventure, inspired by the Google-advised Cartoon Network series, The Amazing Adventures of Gumball. "We need more students around the world pursuing an education in CS, particularly girls and minorities, who have historically been underrepresented in the field," explains a Google CS First presentation for educators on the search giant's Hour of Code partnership with Cartoon Network. "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding." According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women; White House Visitor Records show that USC's Smith, the Google-funded study's lead author, and Google CS Education in Media Program Manager Julie Ann Crommett (now at Disney) were among those present when the White House Council on Women and Girls met earlier that year with representatives of the nation's leading toy makers, media giants, retailers, educators, scientists, the U.S. Dept. of Education, and philanthropists.

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  1. Well... by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    " The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science.."
    So it's not INACCURATE, just uninspiring.

    Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?

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    1. Re: Well... by ranton · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact it is inaccurate was probably considered to obvious to mention explicitly. While those types of developers do exist, they are not the norm. But they are the norm in Hollywood, which is what Google has been trying to fix.

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    2. Re:Well... by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because *everything* needs to be about achieving purported social justice agendas?

      Phonies, all of them. They want to feel like they're changing the world, but without leaving the comfortable 6-digit salary and fancy coffee shops ecosystem. You don't see those people signing up to go fight ISIS or even flying to Texas to help people in need. They tweet and facebook that's the extent of their courage and commitment to social justice.

      Fuck those imbeciles. Fuck Google. They're the canary letting us know that society is seriously sick.

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    3. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are witnessing the decadent end of the west.

      The MOST priveleged people in the richest country on earth claiming to be victims.

      Social Justice and their form of post modernism is poison for the west. In future historians will say "they just gave up"

    4. Re: Well... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The MOST priveleged people in the richest country on earth claiming to be victims.

      Well when you have everything, you need something to feel special. Of course their bullshit hurts everyone else like that 40 year old guy who lives with his parents, never mind he broke his back ~20 years ago, can't hold down a job and is still fighting workmans comp. Those special people need monies for a sex-change instead! Oh and safe spaces because someone telling them to shut the fuck up hurts their feelings.

      Social Justice and their form of post modernism is poison for the west. In future historians will say "they just gave up"

      It is, but people aren't going to go down without a fight over it either. And the socjus mobs aren't going to go down without a fight too, and you can see just how infected some parts of society are. You can see it with the little antifa shit mobs that believe "society is ripe for a commie revolution' while they label anyone who's to the right of marx and lennin as nazi's. At the same time that the media is cheering them on, but notice how that's strangely changed? How EU and NA media changed their tune all of a sudden and they really were the bad guys.

      Shit times, no matter which way you cut it. But I'd rather see this garbage purged sooner then later--especially since it's gone on longer then I figured it would. People were getting pissed off ~18 years ago over it, guess it took until it started reaching mainstream and it impacting day-to-day life for people to have enough.

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    5. Re: Well... by doctorvo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While those types of developers do exist, they are not the norm. But they are the norm in Hollywood, which is what Google has been trying to fix.

      And by "fixing" you mean replacing an inaccurate stereotype with social-justice propaganda that is even more removed from reality?

    6. Re:Well... by doctorvo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Phonies, all of them. They want to feel like they're changing the world, but without leaving the comfortable 6-digit salary and fancy coffee shops ecosystem.

      These phonies are nothing new either. Read Tom Wolfe's Radical Chic.

    7. Re: Well... by Kohath · · Score: 2, Insightful
    8. Re: Well... by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you know, something more accurate?

      Add in a bunch of different Asian ethnicities, a smattering of other races, a few women who are actually competent and opinionated enough to hold their own, rather than just being eye-candy. And the lot of them spread across the social-competency spectrum from the smart-dressing player to the morbidly obese cheeto-powered coder., instead of predominantly representing the least-attractive stereotypes.

      Seriously - why would you favor the current grossly inaccurate and frankly insulting representation of computer geekdom unless you aspire to be a member of the unhealthy albino sausage-party that is Hollywood's representation?

      And as a corollary, why would any teenager who *doesn't* want to be part of that distasteful stereotype even consider that as a career track unless they're already fascinated by computers to begin with? These are just kids we're talking about, mostly extremely image-conscious, and expected to choose a career path based on media portrayal and far too little solid information.

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    9. Re: Well... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or, you know, something more accurate?

      Add in a bunch of different Asian ethnicities, a smattering of other races, a few women who are actually competent and opinionated enough to hold their own, rather than just being eye-candy. And the lot of them spread across the social-competency spectrum from the smart-dressing player to the morbidly obese cheeto-powered coder., instead of predominantly representing the least-attractive stereotypes.

      ...and end up with movies nobody would watch.

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    10. Re: Well... by doctorvo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously - why would you favor the current grossly inaccurate and frankly insulting representation of computer geekdom unless you aspire to be a member of the unhealthy albino sausage-party that is Hollywood's representation? [...] These are just kids we're talking about, mostly extremely image-conscious, and expected to choose a career path based on media portrayal and far too little solid information.

      Yes, as a scrawny gay teenage geek, I aspired to be a member of the "unhealthy albino sausage-party", because those were the people who wouldn't beat me up and actually tolerate them. The teenagers with "no solid information" about computers were the ones doing the beating because in their "extremely image conscious" world, there was no room for scrawny gay geeks like me. Unfortunately, self-righteous bigots like you will destroy this niche for people like me just like you have destroyed the gay and minority neighborhoods people like me used to live in.

    11. Re: Well... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, I'd be pretty happy if Hollywood ever depicted computer science, programming, or hacking in a remotely realistic manner. I honestly don't care all that much what gender or skin color the programmer is. I just want to see less of this, please.

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    12. Re: Well... by doctorvo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there any profession that Hollywood portrays even remotely accurately?

    13. Re:Well... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I specifically did NOT mention the people who may be working on any particular sitcom, whose motives may vary. The purpose of the sitcom itself is to make money, as I said. And you can be sure that not everyone who works on a sitcom really gives a shit about changing society for the better via a sitcom - it's first and foremost a job.

      And you're wrong - movies without morals sell. Or have you forgotten about pr0n? Snuff films? Pretty much any movie that glorifies violence? In the last case, it's the killing, the wanton destruction of property, the body count, etc. that sell. Same with the news - "if it bleeds, it leads." Not the ending where the "bad guys" get their comeuppance. Otherwise, Hollywood could skip all those special effects and just cut straight to the end.

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    14. Re:Well... by yndrd1984 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do you hate real life so much?

      I don't hate anyone. I do think that people like you are so obsessed with your narrative that you're willing to lie in order to feel better about yourself or as signal to other people, and that that kind of behavior is damaging. To give some examples:

      You just can't believe that a woman can invent and get a technical patent, can you?

      There's no imaginable reading of my post that would even suggest that. Do you see how much this has distorted your view of the facts?

      No distortion involved, except on your part. No exaggeration on my part.

      I offered three different minor corrections to one thing you said, and you've directly admitted that one of them was correct. The problem is that getting those minor facts wrong is a necessary part of what you're trying to do - exaggerate one person's accomplishment while erasing those of others, all in the furtherance of a political goal. You have to get a bunch of facts slightly wrong, so that you can pretend that Hedy Lamarr "invented spread-spectrum communications" on her own and the dozens of men with equal or greater contributions to the field didn't do anything other than take credit for her work.

      Emmy Noether and Marie Curie made extremely exceptional contributions, please don't bring them down to the level of an above-average amature engineer.

    15. Re: Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahh yes, our great patriarchy. The land where women hitting men is funny, but the second he hits back the people laughing now step in because... patriarchy? This wonderful patriarchy where more women are attending and succeeding in higher education. The partriarchy where women serve less time for the same crime. A grand patriarchy where women are deemed the better parent the vast majority of the time, and single dads have trouble not being thought of as pedophiles for taking their kids to the park. Yep, society truly favors men. A patriarchy where saying something that is misinterpreted as mysoginy gets a man fired, but "misandry doesn't exist".

      If men are running a patriarchy, they're certainly doing a lousy job putting themselves at the top of the social food chain.

  2. Yeah hollywood by guruevi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At least make it consistent with reality and either put in a Chinese undergrad or underpaid Indian dude.

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    1. Re:Yeah hollywood by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole purpose of this is NOT to be consistent with reality, and NOT show things as they really are. The goal is to create an illusionist Utopia la-la land....

      And why is that a bad thing, when we're specifically talking about films here, and not documentaries? Films are already not reality, unless you currently have problems with giant robots stomping through your town.
       
      Not only is there no harm in showing a happier version of reality in film, it might actually do some good, as we know that films can be influential. I'm really confused by why you are so angry about this. Every film should be a documentary on your gritty white suburban life?

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    2. Re:Yeah hollywood by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you been forced by google to change your film script?

      I don't write film scripts. However, maybe I do like to have a choice to listen to what others have to say . . . ? Is Google limiting that choice based on what they think they would like people to listen to . . . ?

      That sounds like the stuff what countries like China, India, Saudi Arabia, et al do with the Internet: Limit the voices of anything that the government doesn't like.

      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

      Encouraging diversity is good idea, in my opinion. Using censorship to do it by a private organization is not good social hygiene, and a wee bit dangerous, methinks. Maybe some folks with lots of money will start using censorship to promote other agendas, that are not so altruistic . . . ?

      "Hi, I'm Dave, your new, ideal TV friend! I buy all my food and things online from Amazon! All my closest friends use Facebook all the time! You'll want to be like me, and also by from Amazon and use Facebook!"

      Sound silly? Take a look at some old former East German TV shows and films from the late 80's trying to promote their illusion of Socialist Ideals. They are hilarious. When push comes to shove, the former East Germany was just another totalitarian state: a small group of rich and powerful decided what they thought was best for everyone, and force fed their dogma to everyone. Sure you were free to leave whenever you want, but they shot at you a bit while you were on your way out the door. The top politicians in the former East Germany even had their own gated community, with stores stuffed with Western luxury goods. Kinda sorta sounds like the Google folks running this show living in Silicon Valley . . . um, do they live in diverse communities . . . or gated ones . . . ?

      Maybe instead of trying to force others to promote diversity, they could maybe do something about it themselves . . . ? Oh, the housing prices there will ensure that Google executives will have neighbors with the "right kind" of diversity.

      Newer documentaries with interviews of artists who struggled under censorship of the old Communists are less amusing.

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    3. Re:Yeah hollywood by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That sounds like the stuff what countries like China, India, Saudi Arabia, et al do with the Internet: Limit the voices of anything that the government doesn't like.

      Except it's nothing like it. Do that in China or Saudi Arabia and get beaten, jailed and/or disappeared. Do it in front of google and they might write a strongly worded letter or stop paying you money!

      So equivalent.

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  3. rappers by musikit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i dont see many white males represented in rap videos. i guess that is the reason that there is a under representation of white males in rap. we should start a change.org petition demanding that white males be equally represented in rap videos in order to grow the number of white males in rap

    1. Re:rappers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They are in the minority? Given that whites outnumber blacks about 5:1, shouldn't we expect - nay, DEMAND - that rap stars also have the same racial background proportions? For every black rapper, we need 5 white rappers. For every black basketball player, we need 5 white basketball players.

      And don't even get me started on gender and teachers and nurses - or even college students! Right now, there is a massive imbalance in gender in college, with women making up about 64% of all undergrads, but just 50% of the population, meaning we need to kick many of them out and replace them with men! And fat people, we need MORE representation of fat people EVERYWHERE, given they are the majority of US population. Models, TV/film actors, CEOs, soldiers, etc.

      We need to make sure that each demographic is proportionately represented in any aspect of society. After all, white male lives matter. We need equal rights for all, and we must use the SJW metric of equality - that every race, gender, religion is equally represented in all aspects of life, according to their prevalence in society as a whole! Until we have 100% strictly-quota-aligned employment in society, then society is inherently evil and must be torn down. Right?

  4. The people in charge are so embarrassing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So, Google is bigoted against white men. Nice. Spare me your feminine feefees that say everything should be "fair". It's bullshit. Look, when ratings plummet and you don't know why, go suck a big back of dicks.

  5. Will this effort target the "other direction" too? by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to a 2015 USC report, President Obama was kept abreast of efforts to challenge media's stereotypical portrayals of women...

    This news piece talks of the absence of male teachers.

    I'd like to have an effort targeted to this imbalance too. Google, anyone?

  6. Doomed To Fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An experiment has been conducted many times where they throw a load of female toys (typically dolls) and male toys (typically trucks) around a monkey enclosure. Every time it is conducted, the female monkeys play with the dolls and the male monkey's play with the trucks. Here's a video of the experiment being carried out on BBC's Horizon:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm9xXyw2f7g

    The simple fact is, men and women are different and therefore have different interests. The reason women are under-represented in computer science is because most women aren't interested in the subject. It's the same reason men are under-represented in child care - most men have no interest in looking after young children.

    What Google are doing is fascist style propaganda that ignores the truth and pushes the party narrative. They then severely punish anyone who questions the narrative.

    Google is true evil.

  7. Definitely the problem by Archtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The problem with the hackneyed stereotype of the socially inept, hoodie-clad white male coder? It does not inspire underrepresented groups to pursue careers in computer science..."

    Yeah, because Aristotle, Euclid, Pythagoras, Archimedes, Bacon, Newton, Leibniz, and all the groundbreaking mathematicians, scientists and technologists up through Einstein, Turing, Feynman and Berners-Lee took up science and technology because they were inspired by someone they saw on TV.

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    1. Re:Definitely the problem by apoc.famine · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's the opposite, actually. They didn't have it reinforced to them day in and day out that only someone who didn't look like them was fit to do something. What they could aspire to was more of a blank canvas, because there wasn't an established trope of only X can do Y. Movies tend to create and perpetuate these tropes. For people who don't look like a 20-something awkward white kid in a hoodie or a lumbering neckbeard with cheeto fingers and a stained t-shirt, the computer-whiz position doesn't seem to include people like them.
       
      And secondly, I'll point out that you didn't list too many women. Why? It probably had something to do with the fact that the role of professor/lecturer and genius was filled by men, and women were not allowed to enter that space or aspire to it for most of history. That's part of what google seems to be trying to address here - show that it is indeed possible, at least in fantasy, for people to fill roles that historically have been actually closed to them, or more recently, have had the appearance of being closed, even if they are now are open.

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  8. Re:Will this effort target the "other direction" t by doctorvo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not you?

    Same reason feminists love to talk about how more other women should be coders but don't want to be coders themselves.

  9. Fuck off google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know who else wasn't inspired by stereotypical white nerds wearing hoodies to go into tech?
    Me, a fucking white male. I went into tech because I enjoy it, not because of socially retarded idiots on tv.

  10. What a weird mishmashed write-up by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists and the relevance of the field beyond coding."

    This line seems to be taken from a document about the movie Hidden Figures.

    That "Made with Code" project seems particularly absurd. They're trying to trick girls into learning how to program by making it about clothes and fashion. Feminism seems more intent on reinforcing stereotypes than those they accuse of misogyny.

  11. Power corrupts by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Power corrupts.

    Back when Google behaved well - text ads, "do no evil", non-commercial search result ranking - they were new, and essentially powerless.

    However, Google acquired considerable power consequent to its abandonment of those good behaviors. Corruption breeds more corruption; corruption also breeds power.

    It's no surprise that they have now decided to impose social engineering on the population at large. The only remaining question is if the current trend in their behavior will be impacted by any challengers. Doesn't really look like it.

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  12. Google Diversity: now with Cultural Marxism by Noishkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know when I hear people like Paul Joseph Watson and Infowars as a whole rail about cultural Marxism I mostly just chuckle at it for the comedy that it mostly is. But every so often assholes in the tech industry prove the other crazies correct by their very actions. People at Google are so damn obsessed with diversity of skin ton and genital shape that it's starting to ignore the very concept of Google as a money making company in favor of being a vehicle for social change.

    Jesus, Google couldn't get the right mix or woman and the 'correct' kind of racial minority in positions of power by hiring them... so they got people in the media to PRETEND that it's that way?? Actually I aint even mad. I'm just flat out amused at how pathetic both Hollywood and Google is in in this. They want to make sure people doing FAKE HACKING and IT work while say shit like 'I'm rerouting through the firewall with encryption!' Oh man, that's just comedy gold.

  13. Re:Will this effort target the "other direction" t by Rande · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I actually tried. Apparently I wasn't 'passionate' enough about teaching. The gatekeepers want it to be a vocation rather than just a job.

    As to why other guys don't, it's a thankless low paid job and just an accusation of sexual impropriety can run you out of the profession.

    The worst that women have to deal with in IT is variable hygiene standards and some non-PC jokes. (Okay, they have to deal with a bunch of other stuff as well, but they aren't IT specific).

  14. Uh.... what? by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Based on our research, one of the reasons girls and underrepresented minorities are not pursuing computer science is because of the negative perception of computer scientists...

    The problem I have with this statement is that it seems equivalent to saying that "girls and underrepresented minorities" are somehow more likely to care what other people think about them if they otherwise did try to pursue a field that they believed was interesting, to such a degree that they will not try to pursue such a field in the first place if they feel that they may be negatively perceived because of it. Of course, one may argue that they are more likely to care about it because of all the other discrimination against them, and I do not wish to be dismissive of such unjust discrimination, but in the end, it still amounts to them caring more about what other people think.

    Which, to be blunt... and I hate to sound insensitive here, is really their own effing problem. If the only real thing stopping you from pursuing a field, regardless of what it is, is the fear of what other people are going to think of you if you did, then I'm pretty darn sure that you probably wouldn't be a good fit for that field in the first place.

    Find something that you love to do enough that it won't matter what other people are going to think, or else you will never be happy. That much is going to be true for both men and women, and people of all races and demographics.

  15. The Smoak Syndrome by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would consider it a major achievement if Hollywood just acknowledged the difference between IT guys, software developers and cyber security specialists. Instead the tube is filled with Felicity Smoaks who alternate among hacking into metropolitan CCTV systems, writing applications to sift and parse through data they've just downloaded from a satellite (that they also hacked into) and re-wiring routers to transmit on a different frequency. These people don't exist in any race or gender in real life.

  16. "All your attention are belong to us [the google]" by shanen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it seem like the "news" is dominated by "fake" or "stupid" in various ways? Oh yeah. I seem to have forgotten where the fish started rotting...

    The "Don't be evil" fantasy at the google died long ago. I'm pretty sure you just didn't notice until "the last year", and the minor question is "What blinded you?" Maybe your dreams of getting hired by the google died?

    The google's primary motto has become "All your attention are belong to us so we can sell more advertising as we [the google] seek perfection defined by infinite profit." This is actually tightly linked to the evolution of the google's mission statement. Turned out that all of the world's information was too overwhelming and the metric of utility was too unclear. They fixed that by focusing on making the advertisers' ads the highest priority information and using profit as the primary metric of utility. Which finally leads us to the religious part of it:

    "There is no gawd but profit, and Apple, Gilead, Google, Exxon, and some giant gamblers are profit's prophets."

    That's based on Fortune's ranking, and I'm grouping banks, speculators, and money changers as "gamblers". Other sources define "profits" slightly differently and come up with different lists. I just saw one with Exxon higher up and Samsung included. Plus the prophets change over time.

    I've come to believe that a problem without a solution is meaningless. Since I can prove that the so-called "problem" of "more profit" has no solution, I reject it. The proof is simple. There are infinite numbers, therefore there is no maximum profit. If you want a more technical proof, you can use any of the infinite set proofs. Personally I like the infinite prime numbers.

    I think it would be better if our economic system were organized around two different principles: (1) Increasing freedom, and (2) Improving the use of our limited time. As a result of practicing those principles, I don't have the money to bribe the cheapest politicians to rig the rules of the game in favor of larger profits. In contrast, the google has become a YUGE lobbyist.

    You don't want to get me started on fake individuals. Suffice it to say that corporations are NOT human beings.

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