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EU Presidency Calls For Massive Internet Filtering, Leaked Document Shows (edri.org)

An anonymous reader shares a report: A Council of the European Union document leaked by Statewatch on 30 August reveals that during the summer months, that Estonia (current EU Presidency) has been pushing the other Member States to strengthen indiscriminate internet surveillance, and to follow in the footsteps of China regarding online censorship. Standing firmly behind its belief that filtering the uploads is the way to go, the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission's original proposal, and pushing it further into the realms of illegality. According to the leaked document, the text suggests two options for each of the two most controversial proposals: the so-called "link tax" or ancillary copyright and the upload filter.

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  1. They're really going to need one now by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Funny

    They're really going to need a filter now or all kinds of people in the EU are going to be reading web comments about what a bunch of wankers these asshats are.

  2. New internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those of us in the tech sector need to be seriously talking about building a new layer of internet on top of the old one.

    Human expression and dignity is under assault by fascists cloaked in the sheepskin of virtue.

    Google, Facebook, Cloudflare, are now marching lockstep with the oppressive regimes of China and the EU.

    1. Re:New internet by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those of us in the tech sector need to be seriously talking about building a new layer of internet on top of the old one.

      Agreed. I have been thinking about this for some time. There's got to be some kind of Virtual Internet (maybe based on VPNs) that we can build over the top of the current Internet. One where all traffic is encrypted and the sources are untraceable. Similar to TOR, but without all of the hops.

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    2. Re:New internet by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Funny

      You are being fed a diet of propaganda designed to protect the 0.01% and their wealth at the expense of 99.01% of the people.

      SO, what about the other 0.98% who are neither the wealthy nor the people? That's what I want to know!

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    3. Re:New internet by lgw · · Score: 2

      Any attempt at anonymity is useless "without all the hops". It's the only way to make traffic analysis non-trivial. IMO, Freenet was the right approach - turn everything into a big distributed hash table. No servers to take down, everything encrypted and p2p, assembling encrypted blobs of content into something coherent only happens at the client. Too bad it's so inherently slow it never took off, but "slow" may be the inevitable price if you want untraceable sources and no take-downs.

      Freenet had its own security flaws, don't get me wrong, but the core idea is a good foundation for something modern.

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    4. Re:New internet by sexconker · · Score: 2

      That doesn't scale. We tried that back in the early days where every host received every frame/packet and decided to open it or ignore it.
      Nor is it secure, because no one cares about the destination, they care about the source. Every router that receives a packet will simply log where it came from. Follow the chain long enough and you get to a host that generated it. Logging will be required. Passing along encrypted data you didn't decrypt and inspect first will be verboten. Install our spyware and certs if you want to remain secure, citizen.

    5. Re:New internet by Kjella · · Score: 2

      IMO, Freenet was the right approach - turn everything into a big distributed hash table. (...) Too bad it's so inherently slow it never took off

      I don't think it was inherent, it was just stupid. I looked into it... wow, it must be 10 years ago or something and it didn't scale because with many nodes and relatively small node sizes to total data it'd almost be an accident if you found what you looked for. Increasing your own node's connections helped massively, which it shouldn't. I was studying the effect of each node not only picking a place in the hash table, but also creating a highly directed network with more slots the closer your hashes. That way you'd be much more likely to get closer and closer instead of running into dead ends or circle loops as Freenet tended to do. That created a very strong "gravity" to the network that could be analyzed but I essentially divided the problem into two parts, in the beginning the request bounced randomly for anonymity then the "homing" kicked in and found the content for efficiency.

      As part of that I also created the opportunity for "shortcuts", like if it had gone node 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13 to find the content node 3 could add a "and here's my contact info" and node 12 maybe pick up on it so the return path was 13-12-3-2-1, either temporarily for that one block or as a new link in the network. That created the opportunity for much faster downloads, in particular if you as a downloader didn't care you could shout "hey, here I am" to everyone for a torrent-like download. That of course wouldn't work for everyone but the risk is often asymmetrical or depends on your location/situation while Freenet has only one speed for everything in both directions.

      The main problem though was that it didn't do onion routing which made it extremely vulnerable to statistical analysis and because of its terrible algorithm for locating anything routing through a random node was like finding a needle in a haystack. With my algorithm that started to seem plausible though, you could actually send a request to a particular node without knowing the path, that would retrieve the content and forward it to you encrypted. Or at least it could in a simulation of a million nodes with 50 connections/node. It also made onion inserts possible, which is probably even more important. Also data was padded to half-powers of 2, so if you were sending/receiving an image 166321 bytes long it would be 192kb like everything else from 128kb to 192k. Plus I experimented with various kind of mix-master buffers and fake traffic to make traffic analysis difficult to say where any stream actually begins, ends or is routed to.

      With anonymous inserts you could also do tricks like double keys (XOR the content, hash again) that would render "denial-of-keyspace" attacks useless since one of the two keys would be good. If you trust the onion routing you could do automatic healing with PAR blocks meaning files are much more likely to download fast or not at all, with Freenet that was a pretty big security risk. Also I experimented with insert-specific keys for the same data so you could insert known files with lower risk. Also a more intelligent system for signed pointers so you could do RSS-like feeds. I dabbled in making a forum/email system but never found a true cure to spam, enough trash could bring anything down. I also managed to make peer circles, that was a pretty neat anti-analysis trick for low-volume content... basically the same block goes in a circle, only the client and the meeting point alters data, could do encrypted chat with reasonably low lag, not instant but like sub-second.

      The one thing I never really got solved was the problem of poison nodes and "catch-and-release"... basically if your node keeps getting offers from one poison node to connect to more poison nodes eventually you'll end up talking only to poison nodes, even with onion routing those too will be compromised. I tried making something equivalent of guard nodes and that nodes you

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    6. Re:New internet by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "They will outlaw VPNs and make it a chrime that gives you 50 years in jail"
      Enough EU experts have seen, worked with and know of the NSA/GCHQ efforts with systems like XKeyscore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., Turbulence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
      EU VPN users will be found and their attempts to use the internet for freedom discovered.
      The full force of EU member state laws will then be used depending on the content and comments.
      The new internet needs to take into consideration all methods any EU member gov/mil can find to counter internet freedom.

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  3. Pre-Code Internet by mapkinase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's what they will call a brief period of 15 years.

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  4. EU by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The EU apologists are downplaying this by pointing out that the current EU president (Estonia) is merely agenda setting and not a powerful executive. People that understand the malice of big government recognize this for what it is; the camel's nose. It will survive the transition to the next unelected EU president, and the one after and so on, until its on the docket in Brussel's various commissions and parliament.

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    1. Re:EU by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since the presidency of the EU is not "big government", it's literally just a rotating position that gives countries an opportunity to propose an agenda. Estonia has pissed it's opportunity away by proposing something that seems to violate the human rights of EU citizens (the right to privacy in particular) and which has no hope of ever being adopted or even influencing the legislation.

      Before you complain about the EU, note that it has some of the strongest privacy protections in the world. They have been used to stop government spying, they have been used to force massive multinational companies like Google to respect individual privacy. And those are actual, written and enforced law, not some random proposal that has zero chance of ever being enacted.

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    2. Re:EU by admin7087 · · Score: 2

      There is nothing to downplay, this will never get passed. You wanna bet?

    3. Re:EU by barc0001 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And the wingnut alarmists think that the next president will bring it in. It still has to go through the Commission, the council and then parliament. Which it won't. Several groups already have this in their crosshairs and are making noise about it. Not to mention ECHR - who literally yesterday gave a ruling that your employer has to notify you of monitoring of your work email - would torpedo it in an instant.

    4. Re:EU by coastwalker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The destruction of the EU is a CIA dream. The EU are the only global political force that actually have any alternative against the American system of Corporate fucking of the population. Enjoy your slavery to corporations who are free to fuck your environment you fool.

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    5. Re: EU by Evtim · · Score: 2
  5. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait, the country that has one of the most aggressive pro-filtering stances outside of the Middle East is now a beacon of reason? ROFLMAO!

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  6. Fascism spreads by evolutionary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there is only one reason for using China's system for control data/opinions shows: To guarantee the status quo and minimize or eliminate any threat to your current power structure. Unless the world wants their governments run like China, those that don't like it need to speak up, openly, now....because once it's in, it will be a lot harder to remove. (as per design)

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  7. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by GLMDesigns · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. Because what you said is foolishness.

    Yes. England invaded lots of places. So did Spain and Russia (as it expanded east) and China (as it expanded west) and the Zulus (as they expanded south) and the Chaldeans and the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Persians and the ... (you get the point).

    Ruining it and causing migration - here's where you're wrong. English colonialism is not the reason for Pakistani immigration.

    You might as well blame Karl Marx for Zimbabwe's collapse. It would be more relevant than the 80 years of British rule.

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  8. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place? Never crossed your mind did it?

    Let me get this straight, the UK invaded the majority of the globe and is single highhandedly responsible for ruining the countries and by extension for all the migrants. Wow, either they have far more capability than I've ever credited them with or you really don't take responsibility for anything. I view immigration as a case of if your country sucks fix it. If you can't fix it then don't take your messed up ways with you and assimilate into wherever you go. Too bad immigration seems to be a case of "my country sucks so I'll take my messed up ways with me wherever I go and ruin those places too". As I've said many times, you can have nice things or mass immigration but you can't have both.

  9. Re:Fucktardedness by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    The internet will become what radio has become. The REALLY old farts here might remember the small, hobby-ish radio stations. Where they had witty DJs, playing local music, often even having local singers and bands who could perform live on the air, have a chat... remember? No? You'd have to be around 80 probably to do so.

    Today, what's left of radio stations is a corporate nightmare. A handful of stations, all playing basically the same rubbish nobody really wants to hear, all day, every day, bloodless, lifeless, bland.

    And that's what the internet is becoming. What made the internet awesome was that it was a bidirectional medium, the first medium where every participant was not only a receiver but could also become a sender. The not-quite-so-old ones might remember the 90s where people and even some (!) businesses created homepages ... with varying degrees of quality, ok, with very questionable quality. But you could see that someone made an effort, someone tried to leave a mark and a message, a message of individuality.

    Today, what's left of that is Facebook pages. All of them about as unique as English suburb houses. All of them created in the same style with the same tools saying the same rubbish all day long. Individuality? Nope. Conformity. We're all individuals. And we're all doing the same. Because that's all we are allowed to do anymore.

    And it is getting worse. Because with fewer and fewer people even wanting an individual, personal presence, fewer and fewer people would complain if such a thing becomes illegal. What will be left is corporate-owned, corporate-guided and corporate-designed pages where you may say what you're allowed to say.

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  10. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a revolutionary idea: perhaps moral blame is not heritable? Maybe, just maybe, the grandson is not to blame for the sins of the grandfather.

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  11. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Brexit isn't sounding so bad now, is it....?

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  12. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    And compaired to the USSR that murdered people or exiled others to Siberia or threatened word destruction to name just the top of the iceberg?

    Wait, are you saying the USSR is also responsible for sinking the RMS Titanic?

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  13. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by nukenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place?

    What BS.

    Britain colonised some places and these ended up being some of the best places to live (eg North America, Australia, NZ). Other places they did not colonise (in the sense of settling large numbers of people there) but administered (eg India, African nations, parts of the Middle East); some of these latter are hell-holes today. But they were hell-holes before - that is why Britain stepped in and administrated them. Britain would start with trading posts, but when trade stopped because of warring between different tribes inland, the British would go in and bang heads together to stop it. This led to taking over high-level internal policing and administration. In these cases the local native rulers were usually allowed to retain their positions under British protection. This was a different approach from some other European colonial powers (notably France) which tried to stamp out the local cultures.

    Eg gradually most (not all) of India became administrated in that way, including the building of infrastructure such as railways, ports, and government buildings often superior to those back home. While many British administrators and engineers and their families lived for long periods in India, they were not settlers like in North America and would always be talking of the day they would go back home. In fact settling was only done where the natives were clearly primitive (usually stone age in culture) and the climate was temperate.

    It was Britain withdrawing from some of these countries that was a disaster for them. India was a blood-bath in the late 1940's (but recovered eventually), and some of the old African colonies still are. The reason the UK is sought by immigrants is that Britain had given these ex-colonies a taste of how life could be better than in a shit hole, and of course the English language which remained the official one in many of these ex-colonies.

  14. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The media seem to be deluded into thinking that getting rid of Trump would magically make the massive percentage of populists go away,
    populists who are not on a decline but rather on a rise, ergo populism made its stamp. The media think they operage like some deity, with a swipe of their hands and people will cease to exist magically and divinely.
    In the past 30 years, i have never seen the field of journalism decline to such a state that it is in itself a parody of Trump now, in opinion pieces, in trying to play bias police, in producing clickbait (even BBC these few years is allowing the most ridiculous idiotic news on its front page such as that firemen sausage shit).
    At this point the only difference between big news brands and bloggers is a presence of tax subsidy for news companies and a more lavish brand of blogging.

  15. Re:Brexit is the right decision. by Kjella · · Score: 2

    I view immigration as a case of if your country sucks fix it. If you can't fix it then don't take your messed up ways with you and assimilate into wherever you go.

    Sounds to me like you've got nobody but yourself to care about, they're the only ones who think it's just to pick up a gun and start shooting back. The vast majority of civilians are way too busy trying to protect their family and those closest to them. Particularly when it's so unclear who's the good guys and the bad guys and the front lines are so unclear, it's one thing to go to war and leave your family behind in relative safety. It's quite different when they're in the war zone or even occupied territory with you, against an enemy that obey no rules of war. Millions of people have fled for good reasons to the surrounding areas and I don't blame them one bit for doing that.

    What doesn't add up is that almost all the migrants that come to Europe are young and male. Basically you're not sending women and children, you're sending the young, strong and "expendable" males of the family ideally 15-20yo so they can claim to be underage after burning all their papers. And they are supposed to be the economic or geographic anchor to get the rest of the family money or residency. If it looks like they're there to suck the government's teat as hard as they can, that's exactly the mission they were sent for. And they were probably the ones who least needed to leave, it's bullshit. You also don't need to be a genius to realize that many of these will become problem teens/young adults.

    Basically, we're helping the wrong people. And we're rewarding smugglers with boatloads (pun intended) of money to do it. And I don't mean it just as a NIMBY defense, save children <10yo and families particularly mothers. They're not the ones causing trouble.

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  16. Re:Ah, Estonia - the country of SS by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bullshit. These marches honour WaffenSS veterans explicitly. Also those who happily participated in the Holocaust.

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  17. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by sexconker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    " is unfixable and unwilling to admit it could do with improvement. It must go in its entirety " = BOLLOCKS, because you have no replacement to offer and you need the functionality the EU provides, if you don't like everything that's reasonable. Running away suddenly in the middle of the night and joining the circus-economy, that's not going to crush the EU, that's going to crush the UK.

    Face facts, UK cannot survive as an island apart. You are headed for decline if you wish to relive the empire of the past.

    There's a reason the pound is still a thing and they never adopted the Euro. The EU is France, Germany, and the UK, plus a bunch of troublesome leeches. If the UK actually follows through and leaves, France and Germany are going to be playing chicken to see who stays in the longest. The instant one of them leaves, the EU is dead, and Europe will go back to doing what it does best - warring with itself. The scaremongering about the UK economy isn't about the UK, it's FUD meant to keep France and Germany on the hook as long as possible.

  18. Re:Ah, Estonia - the country of SS by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    The thing is, veterans marched not just as veterans but wearing SS insignia. That's the difference.

  19. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The EU is France, Germany, and the UK, plus a bunch of troublesome leeches

    Eh, no. And no again

    Germany, France and the UK (in that order) are the 3 largest economies in the Union by far, but combined their GDP currently makes up around 51,2 % of that of the whole union. The UK by itself represents around 14,4 % of the total economy, France is 16 % and Germany is 20 %.

    The remaining 24 countries are miniscule in size compared to these 3, but in total are roughly as big as these three. After the UK leaves, the shares will change so that Germany will grow to be around 24 % of the whole economy, while France's share goes up to around 19. This means that the other remaining EU countries together actually dwarf Germany and France in size.

    Secondly, there are currently 10 member states that pay into the union more than they take out of it. In addition to Germany, France and the UK these include the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Austria, Italy and Ireland (granted Ireland and Italy pretty much break even so their contribution is not major). Spain (5th largest economy in the union after Italy) also pretty much breaks even although they still currently receive slightly more than they pay in.

    The instant one of them leaves, the EU is dead, and Europe will go back to doing what it does best - warring with itself.

    What? The EU, for all its numerous flaws is still a succesful economic zone with a total GDP second only to the US once the UK leaves, so thinking that France or Germany would want to leave/shatter the union when it has benefited them the most as the biggest economies in the zone, or that 1 of them leaving would automatically trigger the collapse of the whole union and/or massive war is misguided. Especially now with the situation of Russia being what it is, there are very few leaders on a national level that would even want to leave, because reverting back to a bunch of solitary nation states is both economically damaging and is also essentially equal to surrending massive amounts of influence and control over to Russia, US and China, which from a purely game theory point of view of (geo)politics is a dumb as fuck move (for both the smaller states who will then be at the mercy of these larger players, as well as the big economies like France and Germany whose global influence/power would be greatly diminished if the Union stopped existing). This is something that both France and Germany understand well.

    Think of it is this way: after the UK goes, the choice faced by Germany and France will be the following: they can either continue as the 2 major rulers of the 2nd largest economy in the world 7 times the size of Russia, or they can choose to return to a situation in which they control only their own economies that are roughly equal to that of Russia and are massive dwarfed by the US and China thereby essentially sidelining themselves from the big league of the world economies,

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  20. Re: Sooner it goes, the better by mikael · · Score: 2

    Because in the past, wars were fought over resources ands "lebensraum"; farmland, living space, resources. At the national level, these wars could be avoided if countries cooperated and agreed to share resources (fishery stocks, mineral resources, farmland, river waterflow). So the EU seemed a good idea for 50 years after World War II.

    We're still having those fights but now but on a smaller scale; affordable housing, green spaces, rights of way along new property developments.

    https://www.wired.com/2017/04/...

    The EU managed to grind along, until one country decided unilaterally they they would invite millions of people in from the South Mediterranean, they discovered that they didn't have the resources to handle this, and would the rest of Europe please take their fair share. At the same time, it's getting increasingly obvious that the EU is one giant gravy train for ex-national politicians (MEP's) lobbyists and euro-corporations, especially through alternative media like forums and blogs.

    When the population starts seeking their news from alternative sources where everyone can join in the discussion, the incumbents suddenly decide that this is "fake news" and start to campaign to have it blocked. Then nationalist parties are starting to question all the money being sent to the EU in return for economic policies being decided hundreds of miles away that have no benefit for the local population. That is then labelled "populism" and a return to the 1930's.

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  21. Re:Sooner it goes, the better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Racists upset they're being passed over by the world?
    The world? I don't think if you've noticed, but the only part of the world that gives a single toss about racism is a western white minority with negative birth rates. The rest of the world enjoys being openly racist against neighbors as well as Westerners (except being racist against white westerners is politically sanctioned as a correct and just move). The Arabs and generally all Semite people still refer to blacks with their words for the term "slave", China and East Asia have only ever-increasingly horrible things to say about blacks the more they involve themselves in Africa for economic reasons, Slavs i'm not even going to discuss since they hate leftism as much as they hate nazism out of historical reasons of both fucking them up, Indians and surrounding people (China and Pakis) are all at each others throats with Sikhs and Buddhists in the middle, Africa itself is also a giant jumble, while Japs, Koreans and Chinese hate each other and all think the South-East islanders are inferior monkeys. South America has more segregation than 60's USA while we hear of Mexicans and Latinos trying to ethnically cleanse blacks from US cities on a yearly basis. All the world is racist without giving a toss, while you are stuck in a minority anti-racist population my little friend.