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EU Presidency Calls For Massive Internet Filtering, Leaked Document Shows (edri.org)
An anonymous reader shares a report: A Council of the European Union document leaked by Statewatch on 30 August reveals that during the summer months, that Estonia (current EU Presidency) has been pushing the other Member States to strengthen indiscriminate internet surveillance, and to follow in the footsteps of China regarding online censorship. Standing firmly behind its belief that filtering the uploads is the way to go, the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission's original proposal, and pushing it further into the realms of illegality. According to the leaked document, the text suggests two options for each of the two most controversial proposals: the so-called "link tax" or ancillary copyright and the upload filter.
They're really going to need a filter now or all kinds of people in the EU are going to be reading web comments about what a bunch of wankers these asshats are.
The Great Firewall will be extended to include all!
Wait...
What will we keep out, if we already are eradicating the innovative ideas? Quickly! Suppress art!
Those of us in the tech sector need to be seriously talking about building a new layer of internet on top of the old one.
Human expression and dignity is under assault by fascists cloaked in the sheepskin of virtue.
Google, Facebook, Cloudflare, are now marching lockstep with the oppressive regimes of China and the EU.
That's what they will call a brief period of 15 years.
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The EU apologists are downplaying this by pointing out that the current EU president (Estonia) is merely agenda setting and not a powerful executive. People that understand the malice of big government recognize this for what it is; the camel's nose. It will survive the transition to the next unelected EU president, and the one after and so on, until its on the docket in Brussel's various commissions and parliament.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Wait, the country that has one of the most aggressive pro-filtering stances outside of the Middle East is now a beacon of reason? ROFLMAO!
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
the Nazis had newspaper censorship and now EU wants that for the net?? what is next???
there is only one reason for using China's system for control data/opinions shows: To guarantee the status quo and minimize or eliminate any threat to your current power structure. Unless the world wants their governments run like China, those that don't like it need to speak up, openly, now....because once it's in, it will be a lot harder to remove. (as per design)
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
The EU is and isn't what anyone wants it to be (or not to be). It is a vague confederation of states.
So, it all depends on the question, whether or not it makes the EU look good/bad and whether or not you want it to look that way.
Petty dictators need to be exposed for what they are. This is such a case. So, it is or isn't a reflection on the EU, again depending on your support (or not) of the EU. So, you'll have to figure out if the EU is good or bad, and if you like this idea or not, before you can actually say if this is harm or not. ;-)
See how that works?
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Estonia is the only remaining country in Europe where SS (yes, _that_ SS) veterans march on main streets. I guess it's hard to let go of Nazi past.
No. Because what you said is foolishness.
... (you get the point).
Yes. England invaded lots of places. So did Spain and Russia (as it expanded east) and China (as it expanded west) and the Zulus (as they expanded south) and the Chaldeans and the Egyptians and the Greeks and the Persians and the
Ruining it and causing migration - here's where you're wrong. English colonialism is not the reason for Pakistani immigration.
You might as well blame Karl Marx for Zimbabwe's collapse. It would be more relevant than the 80 years of British rule.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place? Never crossed your mind did it?
Let me get this straight, the UK invaded the majority of the globe and is single highhandedly responsible for ruining the countries and by extension for all the migrants. Wow, either they have far more capability than I've ever credited them with or you really don't take responsibility for anything. I view immigration as a case of if your country sucks fix it. If you can't fix it then don't take your messed up ways with you and assimilate into wherever you go. Too bad immigration seems to be a case of "my country sucks so I'll take my messed up ways with me wherever I go and ruin those places too". As I've said many times, you can have nice things or mass immigration but you can't have both.
Amusingly since the end of the cold war most western governments have implemented the tactics of the soviet union because no one can point out that the enemy used to do that.
Facts are history now plebs have politics for religion on social media.
As for the technical (in)capacity of the Eurocrats
The Council of Ministers are not Eurocrats. The Council of Ministers is literally a collection of ministers from the national governments of the countries in the EU. Depending on the topic at hand, different ministers meet under this umbrella name.
In fact, the Council of Ministers is the one branch of the EU that is supposed to prevent the EU from being too Euro-centric and to forget about national interests. In practice, of course, national governments use it to introduce positions that are unpopular at home, so they can then blame them on the evil EU. Fortunately, it is often (but definitely not always) the European Parliament that blocks, or at least weakens these things (although I know that part of this is a political game, where extremes are introduced so that later supposed "compromises" can be reached that are still horribly bad).
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With a population of 1.3 million, it is one of the least-populous member states of the European Union, Eurozone, North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), OECD and Schengen Area.
Why should the rest of the EU even listen to them? 'President of the EU' or not? Also, good luck censoring the rest of the non-EU world.
Politicians, when will they learn?
So what harm has the EU done exactly?
The EU eroded border security and caused a mass influx of criminal migrants and terrorists. While simultaneously prohibiting member countries from policing their own borders.
Not to mention that the whole thing is designed to be an end run around democracy: power lies with the appointed commission, not the elected parliament. It's a lobbyist's and career politician's wet dream.
As a vague confederation of states they are the most opaque. They must choose so that I can properly align my outrage meters to their actions!
Could you measure their good/bad as compared to Obama drinking Coke or Pepsi as a moral issue? I need help. :-(
We could have 1TBs of fiber up to everyone's home and 10GB speeds on phones someday. None of that bandwidth will matter, however, if the only true value of the Internet - the uncensored, uninhibited flow of ALL 0s and 1s - is lost. "We need to be able to regulate what goes across our pipes because of X," in any form for any reason, is ultimately bad for the health of the internet.
Yeah, we can wrap it up in "national security", "copyright holders protections", "good business sense", etc., but it's all still the digital equivalent of wholesale, Internet-wide chemo for an Internet "cancer" that is harming specific interests.
The only cure for those Internet issues like what this Estonian douchebag wants to help "fix" is personal responsibility. Anything else will ultimately fail.
The internet will become what radio has become. The REALLY old farts here might remember the small, hobby-ish radio stations. Where they had witty DJs, playing local music, often even having local singers and bands who could perform live on the air, have a chat... remember? No? You'd have to be around 80 probably to do so.
Today, what's left of radio stations is a corporate nightmare. A handful of stations, all playing basically the same rubbish nobody really wants to hear, all day, every day, bloodless, lifeless, bland.
And that's what the internet is becoming. What made the internet awesome was that it was a bidirectional medium, the first medium where every participant was not only a receiver but could also become a sender. The not-quite-so-old ones might remember the 90s where people and even some (!) businesses created homepages ... with varying degrees of quality, ok, with very questionable quality. But you could see that someone made an effort, someone tried to leave a mark and a message, a message of individuality.
Today, what's left of that is Facebook pages. All of them about as unique as English suburb houses. All of them created in the same style with the same tools saying the same rubbish all day long. Individuality? Nope. Conformity. We're all individuals. And we're all doing the same. Because that's all we are allowed to do anymore.
And it is getting worse. Because with fewer and fewer people even wanting an individual, personal presence, fewer and fewer people would complain if such a thing becomes illegal. What will be left is corporate-owned, corporate-guided and corporate-designed pages where you may say what you're allowed to say.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Here's a revolutionary idea: perhaps moral blame is not heritable? Maybe, just maybe, the grandson is not to blame for the sins of the grandfather.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Estonia is far and away the most "digitally transformed" state, or at least that's what they want to be seen as. Yet in secret they're in collusion with the entertainment mafia and working to reduce freedoms. This is troubling.
Bitching about the Brits here is a little silly, since they actually lead the pack regarding censorship laws. They currently have not one, but at least three different censorship systems in deployment.
As someone living inside Euro-land, native of this here country, somewhat like but not quite the same as England, I've come to the conclusion that while working together is a lofty goal, this isn't what the Eurocrats bring us. Their only option is failure and their only solution to failure is "more Europe". I didn't get to vote but my vote would have been "aye and yay" to Brexit. Because it really is the only way short of war to solve this problem.
The EU/EC/EP/E... is unfixable and unwilling to admit it could do with improvement. It must go in its entirety. So that if one silly country wants to fsck itself up, the rest of us needn't suffer. We should probably limit ourselves to joint defense, only without the Americans making us all dance this time. Instead we're getting nannyed to death and we have no defense left. No wonder we're already buckling under the strain from the assault of... penniless refugees^Wfortune seekers. Thanks, Eurocrats.
Let's look at the world today.
We see people from the worst third-world hellholes (most of which were actually ruled by the French, Spanish and/or Dutch, rather than the British) trying to get into places like the UK, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Singapore and Hong Kong. These places with extraordinarily high standards of living wouldn't even exist in their present form if it weren't for the English, Scottish and Irish investing in them.
Then there are places like South Africa, Rhodesia (sometimes called "Zimbabwe" and "Zambia" today), and India which once had rather high standards of living, but that have clearly gotten worse off as they've rejected the influence of the UK.
The British Empire created what are today some of the best countries in the world. It's these countries that the worst third-worlders are now essentially invading, because these third-worlders are totally incapable of building anything equivalent in their home lands.
Although you don't want to admit it to yourself, and especially in public, I know that you know all of this. You know that the British Empire brought civility, democracy, stability, and prosperity to billions of people. The nations that the British and the Irish built are among the best that have ever existed.
The anger you're expressing here is just a cover for the extreme jealousy you feel. You just can't handle how successful the British Empire was, and how it's responsible for creating the best nations on Earth.
Those government helpers ... always helping us make correct choices about what we watch and who to believe and what to listen to and enjoy.
Makes me just wish they had more of their fingers in my pocket helping me make more decisions.
If only free market companies were so helpful!
Brexit isn't sounding so bad now, is it....?
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Wait, are you saying the USSR is also responsible for sinking the RMS Titanic?
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Whites are responsible for slavery even though it was outlawed 150 years ago.
Don't punish illegal aliens for the sins of their parents.
Which one is right? They can't both be valid.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
It's the same as communism:
We are all equal, it's just that some are more equal than others.
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What about the UK invading almost every country on the planet and ruining it beyond repairs being the cause of all these immigrants in the first place?
What BS.
Britain colonised some places and these ended up being some of the best places to live (eg North America, Australia, NZ). Other places they did not colonise (in the sense of settling large numbers of people there) but administered (eg India, African nations, parts of the Middle East); some of these latter are hell-holes today. But they were hell-holes before - that is why Britain stepped in and administrated them. Britain would start with trading posts, but when trade stopped because of warring between different tribes inland, the British would go in and bang heads together to stop it. This led to taking over high-level internal policing and administration. In these cases the local native rulers were usually allowed to retain their positions under British protection. This was a different approach from some other European colonial powers (notably France) which tried to stamp out the local cultures.
Eg gradually most (not all) of India became administrated in that way, including the building of infrastructure such as railways, ports, and government buildings often superior to those back home. While many British administrators and engineers and their families lived for long periods in India, they were not settlers like in North America and would always be talking of the day they would go back home. In fact settling was only done where the natives were clearly primitive (usually stone age in culture) and the climate was temperate.
It was Britain withdrawing from some of these countries that was a disaster for them. India was a blood-bath in the late 1940's (but recovered eventually), and some of the old African colonies still are. The reason the UK is sought by immigrants is that Britain had given these ex-colonies a taste of how life could be better than in a shit hole, and of course the English language which remained the official one in many of these ex-colonies.
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The media seem to be deluded into thinking that getting rid of Trump would magically make the massive percentage of populists go away,
populists who are not on a decline but rather on a rise, ergo populism made its stamp. The media think they operage like some deity, with a swipe of their hands and people will cease to exist magically and divinely.
In the past 30 years, i have never seen the field of journalism decline to such a state that it is in itself a parody of Trump now, in opinion pieces, in trying to play bias police, in producing clickbait (even BBC these few years is allowing the most ridiculous idiotic news on its front page such as that firemen sausage shit).
At this point the only difference between big news brands and bloggers is a presence of tax subsidy for news companies and a more lavish brand of blogging.
I view immigration as a case of if your country sucks fix it. If you can't fix it then don't take your messed up ways with you and assimilate into wherever you go.
Sounds to me like you've got nobody but yourself to care about, they're the only ones who think it's just to pick up a gun and start shooting back. The vast majority of civilians are way too busy trying to protect their family and those closest to them. Particularly when it's so unclear who's the good guys and the bad guys and the front lines are so unclear, it's one thing to go to war and leave your family behind in relative safety. It's quite different when they're in the war zone or even occupied territory with you, against an enemy that obey no rules of war. Millions of people have fled for good reasons to the surrounding areas and I don't blame them one bit for doing that.
What doesn't add up is that almost all the migrants that come to Europe are young and male. Basically you're not sending women and children, you're sending the young, strong and "expendable" males of the family ideally 15-20yo so they can claim to be underage after burning all their papers. And they are supposed to be the economic or geographic anchor to get the rest of the family money or residency. If it looks like they're there to suck the government's teat as hard as they can, that's exactly the mission they were sent for. And they were probably the ones who least needed to leave, it's bullshit. You also don't need to be a genius to realize that many of these will become problem teens/young adults.
Basically, we're helping the wrong people. And we're rewarding smugglers with boatloads (pun intended) of money to do it. And I don't mean it just as a NIMBY defense, save children <10yo and families particularly mothers. They're not the ones causing trouble.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
" is unfixable and unwilling to admit it could do with improvement. It must go in its entirety " = BOLLOCKS, because you have no replacement to offer and you need the functionality the EU provides, if you don't like everything that's reasonable. Running away suddenly in the middle of the night and joining the circus-economy, that's not going to crush the EU, that's going to crush the UK.
Face facts, UK cannot survive as an island apart. You are headed for decline if you wish to relive the empire of the past.
There's a reason the pound is still a thing and they never adopted the Euro. The EU is France, Germany, and the UK, plus a bunch of troublesome leeches. If the UK actually follows through and leaves, France and Germany are going to be playing chicken to see who stays in the longest. The instant one of them leaves, the EU is dead, and Europe will go back to doing what it does best - warring with itself. The scaremongering about the UK economy isn't about the UK, it's FUD meant to keep France and Germany on the hook as long as possible.
Nope. EU expected that everyone attempting to cross the border will try to do so at a border crossing - you know, like in a civilized world. And the numbers attempting to cross the border somewhere else would be in range of hundreds or thousands per year, not millions. There is an option how to stop people crossing the border in the fields or in the woods. Look up Iron Curtain to see what it would look like. Fences, barbed wires, minefields, dogs, patrols with automatic guns shooting without warning ... it isn't pretty. I know that, because live on the other side. EU though that we, as civilization, have moved pass that. They were wrong, but I can't really blame them.
EU did not cause that. You could claim that soldiers, from some member states, took part in some activity that caused that. But EU? No. The influx happens because some parts of the world were turned into a shithole while at the same time EU represents much nicer place to live just a few thousands kilometers away. We can talk about why those places were turned into a shithole, but EU never said it has "strategic interest" in Middle East. EU never sent troops there in the name of "national security". That was some other country.
But most of the population is in favor of more censorship. Liberalism is dead. It never really had a chance. All due to personal avarice. True change, for better or worse, will only happen on an evolutionary time scale. We desperately need a technological solution to create an indelible, universally accessible internet. The law of corrupt society can't be rendered impotent any other way.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
And, funnily enough, before they received their slot, Estonia were lauding their seemingly progressive digital attitudes.
President Kersti Kaljulaid:
Estonia's six-month turn at the rotating presidency will focus on digital innovation, particularly electronic public services, which the Baltic nation has made a hallmark of its own government. Estonia likes to boast that the only things a citizen cannot do online are get married, get divorced, or sell their home.
Brexit isn't sounding so bad now, is it....?
Yeah 100% of deaf people agree.
I rarely internet anymore, mostly killing time whenever I'm on break (20 year old slashdot habit). Very little is new or interesting anymore. On the bright side, toys for nerds are insanely inexpensive from China (I mean electronics and basic components, not premade widgets.It's more fun to build your own).
Much of the wealthy west's problem with immigration has nothing to do with why the immigrants are fleeing their home country. Most people aren't immigrating because of their mess or religion or they way their country acts. They are immigrating because they are sick of dodging bombs, being ruled by dictators who would have them beheaded for any of the proposed "fixing" you suggest they do.
The EU eroded border security and caused a mass influx of criminal migrants and terrorists.
Personally I blame them for the rise of racist fuckwits on the internet.
Eh, no. And no again
Germany, France and the UK (in that order) are the 3 largest economies in the Union by far, but combined their GDP currently makes up around 51,2 % of that of the whole union. The UK by itself represents around 14,4 % of the total economy, France is 16 % and Germany is 20 %.
The remaining 24 countries are miniscule in size compared to these 3, but in total are roughly as big as these three. After the UK leaves, the shares will change so that Germany will grow to be around 24 % of the whole economy, while France's share goes up to around 19. This means that the other remaining EU countries together actually dwarf Germany and France in size.
Secondly, there are currently 10 member states that pay into the union more than they take out of it. In addition to Germany, France and the UK these include the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Austria, Italy and Ireland (granted Ireland and Italy pretty much break even so their contribution is not major). Spain (5th largest economy in the union after Italy) also pretty much breaks even although they still currently receive slightly more than they pay in.
What? The EU, for all its numerous flaws is still a succesful economic zone with a total GDP second only to the US once the UK leaves, so thinking that France or Germany would want to leave/shatter the union when it has benefited them the most as the biggest economies in the zone, or that 1 of them leaving would automatically trigger the collapse of the whole union and/or massive war is misguided. Especially now with the situation of Russia being what it is, there are very few leaders on a national level that would even want to leave, because reverting back to a bunch of solitary nation states is both economically damaging and is also essentially equal to surrending massive amounts of influence and control over to Russia, US and China, which from a purely game theory point of view of (geo)politics is a dumb as fuck move (for both the smaller states who will then be at the mercy of these larger players, as well as the big economies like France and Germany whose global influence/power would be greatly diminished if the Union stopped existing). This is something that both France and Germany understand well.
Think of it is this way: after the UK goes, the choice faced by Germany and France will be the following: they can either continue as the 2 major rulers of the 2nd largest economy in the world 7 times the size of Russia, or they can choose to return to a situation in which they control only their own economies that are roughly equal to that of Russia and are massive dwarfed by the US and China thereby essentially sidelining themselves from the big league of the world economies,
"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
Because in the past, wars were fought over resources ands "lebensraum"; farmland, living space, resources. At the national level, these wars could be avoided if countries cooperated and agreed to share resources (fishery stocks, mineral resources, farmland, river waterflow). So the EU seemed a good idea for 50 years after World War II.
We're still having those fights but now but on a smaller scale; affordable housing, green spaces, rights of way along new property developments.
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The EU managed to grind along, until one country decided unilaterally they they would invite millions of people in from the South Mediterranean, they discovered that they didn't have the resources to handle this, and would the rest of Europe please take their fair share. At the same time, it's getting increasingly obvious that the EU is one giant gravy train for ex-national politicians (MEP's) lobbyists and euro-corporations, especially through alternative media like forums and blogs.
When the population starts seeking their news from alternative sources where everyone can join in the discussion, the incumbents suddenly decide that this is "fake news" and start to campaign to have it blocked. Then nationalist parties are starting to question all the money being sent to the EU in return for economic policies being decided hundreds of miles away that have no benefit for the local population. That is then labelled "populism" and a return to the 1930's.
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You assume either Germany or France is DUMB ENOUGH to think they'd gain something from leaving a 40~ year trade settlement overnight with NOTHING TO REPLACE IT WITH? The EU is better without you, frankly. You want to rule instead of be part of a federation, old habits die hard I guess. We'll see it sooner than later, most Britons realize they made a huge mistake with Brexit even though the pain has scarcely been felt yet. There is due course ahead.
Now, continue bragging about isolationism as an economic boon, lol.
They'd gain sovereignty and security. Who says they wouldn't have anything to replace it with? They'd simply renegotiate trade at better (for them) terms. The rest of the EU is entirely dependent upon the big three, and they know it.
Racists upset they're being passed over by the world?
The world? I don't think if you've noticed, but the only part of the world that gives a single toss about racism is a western white minority with negative birth rates. The rest of the world enjoys being openly racist against neighbors as well as Westerners (except being racist against white westerners is politically sanctioned as a correct and just move). The Arabs and generally all Semite people still refer to blacks with their words for the term "slave", China and East Asia have only ever-increasingly horrible things to say about blacks the more they involve themselves in Africa for economic reasons, Slavs i'm not even going to discuss since they hate leftism as much as they hate nazism out of historical reasons of both fucking them up, Indians and surrounding people (China and Pakis) are all at each others throats with Sikhs and Buddhists in the middle, Africa itself is also a giant jumble, while Japs, Koreans and Chinese hate each other and all think the South-East islanders are inferior monkeys. South America has more segregation than 60's USA while we hear of Mexicans and Latinos trying to ethnically cleanse blacks from US cities on a yearly basis. All the world is racist without giving a toss, while you are stuck in a minority anti-racist population my little friend.
Fuck you snaggle toothed pasty-assed Brits.
Read THIS if you really want to know how the UK not only treats the fucking darkies, but for that matter the 'lesser' classes of their own race.
Your day is coming. First Brexit, next, marginalization, and lastly, being overrun by third-worlders.
Fitting.
ROFLMA. St Theresa went out there a few months ago and they told her to jolly well do the fucking off. There is so much protectionism in the Indian economy it's beyond a joke.
If anything happens at all it'll be tiny minor concessions for the Ruperts in the banks in return for something like H1B on steroids.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Just wait. It will be the Firewall of Mecca, eventually.
the Presidency has worked hard in order to make the proposal for the new copyright Directive even more harmful than the Commission's original proposal, and pushing it further into the realms of illegality
"Illegality" is the wrong word, as these people are writing what will become the law. "Illegitimacy" seems a better word to describe laws decided on behalf of the People but against its will.
In response to a long propaganda argument about British rule elevated hellholes to better places, I have a complete and succinct rebuttal in but one word:
Ireland
Re 'Are they racing to the bottom?"
New funding, new powers. New computer systems. New networks to build. More contractors, gov and mil staff. Overtime and top gov wages.
The new staffing and equipment sales and support staff in every part of the EU.
Having to create an EU wide system to find and then enter into all EU VPN use.
To then find each VPN user in the EU and see what they are saying and doing while using a VPN.
To keep all EU ip and isp data for years. To fully register every ISP account and keep records of ip use updated.
Its a bureaucratic dream of big new cyber budgets and enforcing new EU laws.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The British population and the British government aren't the same thing exactly.
If anything, the only thing they agree on is the brexit.
The point seems to rest on a heap of false equivalencies, as only two of of the countries on your list aspired to globe-spanning empires.
Seriously? There are people who stille believe in the white man's burden? In the twenty first century, no less? We Germans have a name for this kind of people - die Ewiggestrigen. That means people who are forever stuck in the past.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
He is to blame if he still profits from them.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
48% of us aren't realising we made a huge mistake. We've known it all along.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Speak for yourself. I'd rather be ruled by people who actually care about me and my rights. They could be Martians for all it matters.
No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
Please get your chronology right! The USSR was formed 10 years after the Titanic sank. The ship's sinking was actually a Bolshevik plot.
Now they will need to add "speak their mind" to that list.
What does aspirations have to do with it? Are you telling me Alexander's aspirations or Kublai Khan's aspirations were any less?
They didn't have matching technology - but if your objection is aspiration of world conquest, the original point falls apart.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
You're confusing the word populist, as it's applied to politicians, and populist, as it's applied to an ideologue. They're really used in very different ways.
A populist ideologue is someone who believes in popular rule. This could be anything from a direct democracy advocate to an anarchist. These people are generally left of center.
When a politician is called a populist, it's an insult. It doesn't imply any political ideology, be it left or right or other, it just means that they're catering to the lowest common denominator. They make lots of promises in order to gain power, promises which are generally infeasible if not outright impossible. Their supporters are either too ignorant to know they're being lied to, or too desperate to care.
But Avarist said the USSR was responsible for the tip of the iceberg!
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...And I don't mean it just as a NIMBY defense, save children <10yo and families particularly mothers. They're not the ones causing trouble.
Unless you consider the costs imposed by education, healthcare, and in the case of US anchor babies. Other than that no trouble at all.
Snaggle toothed? pasty-assed? fucking darkies?
You appear to be a racist cunt.
I believe you'll find the fucking Irish were the problem there. If they'd done the sensible thing and rejected the idiocy of Catholic beliefs they may have become civilised centuries sooner.
Shit, they're still batshit fucking lunatic due to their archaic superstitious stupidity.
The Trump base is very significant, but hardly a majority, and it's getting smaller demographically. It's in something of a panic now that the world is changing in ways it doesn't like. I sympathize with some (not nearly all) of their concerns, but they're trying to turn the calendar back and that simply isn't going to work.
The media seems to be largely what it was in the 1960s and 1970s, except that there's less money in it and hence fewer big stories and exposes. It's not in a major decline. It always was like this. The difference is that there's lots of other sources of more or less news, and a large number of people have found the mainstream media saying things they don't like.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The EU needs the UK less than the UK needs the EU, and there will be political pressure to make the new trade agreements less favorable.
In the meantime,the UK has been getting a lot of US business because it's an English-speaking country with a large economy that's in the EU. The EU is a far larger market than the UK, so it's more important for businesses to have offices somewhere in the EU than the UK.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The problems in the Middle East are largely because of British, French, and US activities, starting after WWI and the breakup of the Ottoman Empire into arbitrary national mandates. The US didn't really start disruptive activity until the 1950s.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
It's lack of financial responsibility and stuff like this and the 27 states wonder why the UK is leaving. Well the answer is that we hate the lack of control of our own borders, the lack of democracy and the enormous bills.
There was the Church of England, and there were the Catholics. There were plenty of civilized Catholic countries. That wasn't the problem, unless you're saying they should have given up their culture to the invaders.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
England went secular and built an empire. Ireland stayed true to its religious stupidity and continues to be a fucked up place.
Draw your own conclusions.
..was an optimist. He failed to forsee the Internet and the power it gives to governments.
Indians do like it. Payback time or karma as they would call it.
Not people of the Indian subcontinent. Not in modern history.
Also Opium Wars. British were brutish.
The harm it has done probably mostly lies in the fact that it has done nothing. ... more or less... supposing you're american, the EU is nothing like the united lobbies of the free world or mother russia-conglomerate ... it's a paper union, a dream, no one has ever in 2000 years of local history (definitely not before that) actually conquered and united europe whereas the other 'unions' were all forged and baptised in blood and fire (this might still be an option it seems b/c everyone is crying for strong men) . If i go out here and ask 100 people on the EU, i think about 90 will shrug it off due to severe apathy on politics and/or call it "just another layer of taxes". The forced help on member states from anything , greece, whatnot has not gone down very well in a period where cost of life goes up, wages dont and unemployemnt actually goes down. They have virtually handed the place on a silver platter to extremists and now try to combat it with censorship and even raids for speaking out in "hate speech" online and what not and what not
... they seem to be lofty on human rights but not very shy to break rules for raison d'état. This censorship thing doesnt surprise me at all. I doubt it will pass but the lords of mordor are scared of the monster they created by being very pc-principal
if that makes any sense at all , merkel is euhm, definitely not the new hitler but in her attempts to unify she missed a few rotting spots lol ... its a bad economic climate to go save the world and expect a few to carry a lot and its somewhat hard to just turn back ... brexit ... maybe frexit ... if the flemish nationalists had their way they'd not only split from the wallons and brussels, but also from europe (i dont know this works in their dreamworld economically b/c there's virtually no actual production and the bit of tourism certainly cant carry so its services, services services, and logistics ... i can see that here in hickville .. the industrial zone maybe has two or three actual production facilities, the rest is all office and distribution centers)
meaning less jobs on the same amount of space
people here arent really ashamed to call themselves racist a lot of the time and some arent really ashamed to call out loud how nice it would be if "uncle Dolf" came back
and this is not really the hard core of europe so ....
if they think censorship is going to fix it, it should show how well they're doing (but maybe i should be careful what i say hahah)
most crying for a breakup don't really see the whole consequence of a broken euro and back to the original currency i once read an article on how if greece were to go back to drachme, effective capital of people would be halved, as in can buy half for the money they have now after conversion, im not an economist but i have no reason to disbelieve that either
in soviet hellgium, you need a license to wipe your ass, CO-tax soon applied for breathing out ...
if it were to break it would be a financial disaster for all but the rich ones (mostly those who kept their own currency i suppose) xept luxembourg, no idea how they would be affected by going back to the franc. And theres the thing with refugees (which also was like giving it up to the rightwing on a gold platter) where they just keep taking more than they can afford and every member state just has to go with it. Again, in times where life is costly and income is hard to get, solidarity has its limits , and so on
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
The only place where you can say truly say that is the creation of Iraq and possibly the entire group of countries - Lebanon, Jordan (now Jordan, Israel and Palestine), Syria and Iraq. The other countries from Morocco to Egypt did not have border changes and the time that they were conquered was irrelevant. (Turkey was a foreign power in Egypt and the Sinai Peninsula as well). There were no hard and fast borders in the Sinai peninsula so the marks on the map meant little. There was also close to no boots on the ground there because it was seen as a waste land.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
I believe you'll find that England built an empire and then went secular, rather than the reverse. The mostly Catholic French built an impressive empire also.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Yes, that group of countries is what I meant. North African countries did not get messed up in the same way. They also don't seem to cause nearly as much trouble.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The Ottoman Empire Controlled everything from Iran to Saudi Arabia to Egypt.
Regardless of anything new borders would have been drawn up after WWI.
The Arabian Peninsular's borders are fine.
So are Lebanon's and Syria's.
The only thing truly messed up is Iraq and the Israeli / Palestinian problem.
Israel would have not been a problem if there weren't pogroms and other attempts to kill immigrant Jews during the 1920s and 1930s. If all was cool then Jews would simply be a minority population in the Kingdom of Jordan. Jordan would include what is now Israel and Palestine. So the Israeli - Palestinian problem is NOT due to the borders made after WWI.
And Syria's Eastern Border and Iraq would have been a mess anyway with it's rivalries.
Kurd v Arab v Persian & Shia (mostly Persian) v Sunni v (the mix of "heretical" Muslim religions often Kurd) would have been as intractable in the 1920s as it is today, 100 years later.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Um...everything? Complete this sentence: "the sun never sets on the XYZ Empire." Did Russia have colonies across the world? How about China?
You're right - China was a century ahead of any European country in naval prowess, yet they didn't establish a global empire - as opposed to England and Spain.
Or you're just really eager to hold onto that false equivalency.