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Rotten Tomatoes Scores Don't Correlate To Box Office Success or Woes, Research Shows (polygon.com)

Depending on who you ask, Rotten Tomatoes is the reason some movies don't perform at the box office. From a report: Countless movie executives, including producers, have told Deadline and the New York Times that the number atop a movie's page on Rotten Tomatoes signifying whether the majority of critics enjoyed or disliked a movie rules the box office. Director Brett Ratner was quoted as saying "I think it's the destruction of our business" while others have called for its demise. According to research conducted by Yves Bergquist, director of the Data & Analytics Project at USC's Entertainment Technology Center, that's not correct. Bergquist collected data from 150 movies this year that made more than $1 million at the box office. Using those Box Office Mojo numbers and comparing them to the critic and audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, Bergquist then "looked at [the] correlation between scores and financial performance" to determine if there was a linear line that could be drawn between low scores and bad box office performance. Or, more simply, did a lower "rotten" rating on Rotten Tomatoes equate to box office woes? The short answer is no, it didn't. Bergquist's findings confirmed that of the 150 movies surveyed, there was only a 12 percent correlation between a movie receiving a bad score and not performing well at the box office. Summer films saw even less of a correlation, with seven percent of lower-scored movies not performing at the box office.

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  1. Of course it doesn't. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Critical success doesn't equal commercial success, but if your movie fails commercially, blaming rotten tomatoes makes for a convenient scapegoat.

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    1. Re:Of course it doesn't. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, user scores don't correlate to success either. At best only people who could be bothered will actually give an opinion, and then their motivation for rating the movie is often unrelated to its quality (e.g. they dislike the cast or the director).

      The standard advice applies. Find a critic who seems to like the same stuff as you, and follow them.

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    2. Re:Of course it doesn't. by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      if your movie fails commercially, blaming rotten tomatoes makes for a convenient scapegoat.

      Well, that and piracy.

      The same thing is happening in politics also. A book just came out on the subject. Passing blame is ubiquitous.

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    3. Re:Of course it doesn't. by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Hollywood loves to play the blame game. Why is it always ...

      * Piracy
      * Social Media and Internet review sites ... that are blamed for commercial "failures".

      Here's a fucking radical idea:

      * Stop remaking the same fucking movies (List of Film Remakes)
      * Stop blowing your shitty movie budget on VFX (Gods of Egypt (2016)
      * Stop insulting your audience's intelligence by doing dumb shit (Everything Wrong With Prometheus In 4 Minutes Or Less)
      * Stop the mindless violence (Everything Wrong With John Wick Chapter 2) and grow the fuck up already.

      Great movies I've seen this year, sorted alphabetically: (Yeah they are from last year, whatever)

      * Branded
      * Carrie Pilby
      * Concussion
      * Deadpool
      * Dunkirk
      * Manchester by the Sea (boring as fuck for the first hour, but gets good)
      * Silence

      Over-rated movies in 2016 but still enjoyable

      * Arrival
      * Doctor Strange
      * Secret Life of Pets
      * Zootopia

  2. Are they measauring the same way? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps the difference is found in what Ratner considers a success and what Bergquist considers a success?
    If you need a $2 billion revenue to consider a movie successful, then it probably correlates quite well to the Rotten Tomatoes score.

    1. Re:Are they measauring the same way? by ram.loss · · Score: 2

      Actually, it doesn't. Even if you define success as 'Has 2 billion revenue' you'll find that the three films that met the criterion have 84%, 88% and 92% score. A high one to be sure, but then again you have Dunkirk with a 93% and $500 million, Arrival (94%, $200 million) and Moonlight (98%, 65 million) just to mention recent examples. There's simply no way to correlate movie revenue with RT score.

    2. Re:Are they measauring the same way? by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2

      Normalize for budget. If you follow the links, the study shows a strong correlation (0.8) between production budget and box office gross. Your three examples are consistent with that trend; Moonlight having the lowest production budget and Dunkirk having the highest.

  3. Unscientific by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    I don't think you can count Rotten Tomotoes ratings as scientific. There is no validation that the reviewer actually SAW the movie. Also, people who SAW the movie, and liked it, aren't forced to review it. Finally, not every moviegoer uses Rotten Tomotoes ratings to determine if they want to see a movie or not.

    So, for Hollywood to base its entire success on RT ratings, is stupid.

  4. Correlation does not equal causation. by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps the Rotten Tomatoes score is low, because the movie is bad, and that's why your box office sales are poor.

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  5. Doesn't correlate with my enjoyment either by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    So not really surprised on this one.

  6. The public's ratings are cool by ToasterTester · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The professional reviews are usually way off base loving or hating a film. I go by the public's reviews for a better idea if movie is worth my money. Even then you have to factor in the fanboy effect that will sway the numbers for the first day or even first weekend. Fanboy's are worse than the critics they like anything by . For fanboys its a competition more than if it's good or not like whole Marvel vs DC crowd the Star War fans versus the masses.

    I say ignore the professional critics check the reviews of the masses, but factor in if they have a fanboy following.

  7. Re:Hunh? by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Alternative interpretation: People will eat shit when shit is the only thing available to eat. People will still spend money on a mediocre film if there is nothing else to watch. This is why all the foreign films and artsy stuff steers clear of summer releases... otherwise they'd get trounced by DC, Marvel, et al. I'm pretty confident that if you control for the season of the release date, and the other films you compete with on release, you'd find the correlation you are looking for.

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  8. Especially in recent year by Lucas123 · · Score: 2

    Rotten Tomatoes seems to get it wrong -- at least from the professional reviewer's standpoint. The audience rating is something entirely different, though. That said, I've also had to question that as well over the past year or so.