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iPhone 8 and iPhone X Will Support Fast Charging, But Only If You Buy a New USB-C Charger (9to5mac.com)
One little detail Apple didn't mention at its event in Cupertino, California yesterday was the fact that the new iPhones will support fast charging. According to the official tech specs page, the new iPhones can recharge up to 50 percent of their battery life in a 30-minute charge. The catch? You have to use a USB-C charger and Lightning cable (sold separately). 9to5Mac reports: iPhone 8 battery life is roughly equivalent to the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus. On a full charge, expect up to 12 hours of internet usage on iPhone 8 and iPhone X, with up to 13 hours on iPhone 8 Plus. With a 50% quick charge in 30 minutes, you are effectively gaining hours of additional battery life during the day, even if you only plug in for a short period. However, to take advantage of fast-charging, you cannot use the Lightning to USB-A cable that is bundled in the box. Fast charging requires a USB-C to Lightning cable and the USB-C wall charger. More specifically, one of three USB-C wall chargers. Apple sells 29W, 61W and 87W variants of its USB-C power adapters. Prices range from $49 to $79. Apple doesn't break out specific numbers on how each model affects charging times, it's not clear if the cheapest 29W model can achieve the advertised 50% recharge in 30 minutes.
annoyed that they didn't put a USB-C connector ON THE DAMN PHONE
Of course, the right thing for Apple to do would have been to completely replace the proprietary lightning connectors with the standard USB-C connectors on all of their new device models going forward, but alas, shareholders gotta eat.
My Nexus 6P also can only fast charge on a USB-C charger.
The real news is that the iPhones don't include the cable and fast charger in the box.
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I have a 29W power supply that charges my wife's 7+ noticeably quicker. Same power supply also fast charges the new iPad Pro 12.9.
So basically for modern stuff they're moving towards USB-C, which various Androids (such as Samsung S8) are already using. The only difference is that you also need a proprietary Apple cable to make it work, because someone has to pay for that fancy new 5-billion dollar building.
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Holy cow, I'm glad this information is front page news. This is groundbreaking journalism. No clickbait tagline here, no siree. All that's missing is the analysis on how devastating this information will be to the new iPhone's sales.
This should be part of a new series. What cables will next-gen devices come with? Do HP desktops come with regular round power cables, or those weird, flat, 3-wire jobs? And, most importantly, HOW LONG WILL THEY BE? If they include a 3-foot but I need a 4-foot I'll have to go out and buy one!
Seriously, is nothing else going on in tech right now?
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Any charging brick that supports the USB PD 2.0 usb power delivery standard will charge a MacBook, new MacBook Pro, or iPhone 8. You don't need to buy a brick from Apple for this.
The only detail to consider is the maximum wattage the brick can put out. That's why Apple sells a larger brick for the MacBook Pro.
Any brick - from any vendor - that can fast-charge a MacBook will fast-charge the iPhone 8 as well. The one I use is the Anker PowerPort+, but there are a number of others.
I've got an HTC one that's several years old, and I can get a 50% charge in 30 minutes with a regular USB cable. I try to keep quiet around iPhone users, though, lest I disturb their superior ego. Now that will really make a mess.
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The iPhone 8 battery is rumored to perhaps be a s big as 2,700 mAh. Thus assuming no loss in charging, a 2.7 amp 5 volt power supply could charge it in one hour (that is the same amount of power the battery produces in an hour). The 29W power supply produces 5.8 amps at 5 volt (29 / 5 = 5.8). So not counting any loss, the 29W power supply produces enough power to charge the battery to 100% capacity in 28 minutes. So if we assume up to 50% inefficiency during charging, a 29W power supply could still charge the phone to 50% capacity in 30 minutes. If the battery was much larger (like in the plus models), or the charging is less efficient than 50%, a bigger power supply would be needed to charge to 50% in 30 minutes.
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I have to use my phone for a secure messaging app that is HIPAA compliant. When in the hospital I am using it all day. I routinely burn through the battery on my phone
We figured this out with the iPad Pro's earlier this year. It's not surprising the iPhones work the same.
My Moto X supports fast charging, if connected to a charger that supports Qualcomm QC
The phone only came with a basic 5V 700mA charger, so I had to buy a QC compliant charger to use the feature.
Even in your analogy Apple is copying their competitors. Motorola already sold a phone called the RAZR
What other options do they have? Let's walk through them.
- Include a USB-C charger and cable. People then complain that the phone won't plug into their USB-A only computers without an extra adapter. People would also complain about the phone being $20 more for having the more expensive charger.
- Don't put any charger in the box. People then complain about the phone being useless without an extra cost charger. People would not care, or even stop to consider it, that the price is $10 lower for not including a charger.
- Include both a USB-C charger and a USB-A charger. People would complain about the insanity of two chargers for one phone, and the extra cost this would impose on buyers. Perhaps then not two chargers but two cables, USB-C and USB-A, and the fast charger but then people would still find a reason to complain.
Also, your analogy fails in one major way, phone chargers are not consumables like razor blades. If you consider phone chargers as a consumable then I have to wonder about your mental state. Either you believe that phone chargers only last a week and you buy a new one every time you shop for groceries, or you are so forgetful about where you leave your chargers that you are forced to buy one regularly.
This is not all that different than when Apple stopped including keyboards and mice with their new computers. People complained about having to buy a keyboard and mouse with the computer every time they'd upgrade, so Apple stopped including keyboards (at least with the lower cost computers) and people complained. Apple flipped this around by advertising on how this gave people choices and an option to save money. I suspect Apple would rather not include a charger with their phones and offer people the choice to buy what they want but I also suspect that this could get them in trouble with regulators and cell phone service providers. So, Apple compromises, they include a cheap charger with the phone to satisfy any such rule or regulation on leaving them out. If you want the fast charging then get the nicer charger as an add-on, then put the cheap one in a drawer as a back-up in case the other fails or gets lost.
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If you use a decent gauge regular microUSB cable, you can chain two adapters to plug into a USB-C charge port.
1) USB-A to Micro-USB (c.f. an OTG adapter would work),
2) A Micro-USB to USB-C adapter,
You should get 3.0 Amps @ 5V -- which is about as fast as you can get. Even Qualcomm's QuickCharge doesn't do much more than 15watts, as QC does higher voltages at a lesser amperage for parts of the charging cycle.
I routinely burn through the battery on my phone
Oh, a Samsung hey?
I don't think including a fast adapter is exactly overcharging on a $999 phone. If they included a $3 USB-C to USB-A adapter like this there would be very little reason to complain since you'd get faster charging with the "native" charger and hey it kinda works with any other USB port too. But chargers are a profit center, most people need more than one (home, cabin, car, travel) and they lose or forget them so hey, let's buy one more. And in some people's mind there's only brand chargers and cheap knock-off fire hazards from eBay, a lot of people will only buy it almost no matter how much they charge.
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There is another reason why Apple isn't including a charger with the iPhone 8 and X : Watts. And number of different parts.
Usually, the charging limits of a lithium battery are 1C :
e.g.: you can charge a 3'000 mAh battery (like that in iPhone 7 plus) at 3A max.
(that's why usually you can at most charge 50% of capacity in 30min)
Standard tablet charger only go up to 2A, and I think apples "thin as an euro-plug" phone charger are 1A only.
(One of the limiting factor is the way too thin copper wires in the USB cable. Too much resistance for such moderately high current.)
(reminder: thermal loss is only proportional to square of current. It doesn't give a shit about voltage. Standard home appliances cables are usually rated at 10A max).
Various QuickCharge standards (including USB's Official Power Delivery) work by giving the possibility to the device to ask for a higher voltage (9V or 12V or even higher - thus lower current for a given wattage)
That means that the only way to achieve quick charging with iPhone 8 and X is a newer different USB charger that does support USB-PD's higher voltage and wattage.
And now you see where the thing is going : ...but such giant chargers aren't popular with smartphone anymore. (it's not first gen iPod and iPhone era anymore). ...but the fact that it is bundled "free" with an iPhone suddenly decrease the perceived "premium" value of the device that enabled Apple for over-charge at >30$
- that in theory would require Apple to introduce yet another specific "iphone quick-charger", in addition to the 29W to 87W ones (e.g.: something still in the same "europlug" form factor, but with 15W).
- that's yet another different part to take care of (Apple is a company that tries to keep the number of parts low)
- that's openning problem of clueless users who try to charge their high-range USB-C equipped Apple laptop, "because the iPhone charger is USB-C too !" and not understanding why a meagre 15W micro wall-wart can't charge a >85W consuming laptop
- (or worse, the 15W wall wart blows under the load due to sub-optimal protection circuitry)
- alternatively they need to pack at least the 29W variant together with the phone. But!
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In short, it's a nightmare.
And not that many user need to push 1500mAh worth of battery within first 30 minutes anyway.
So...
Let's just neglect to mention the thing altogether.
Continue to pack the phone with a wall wart that is useful for most consumer.
Let power the users (who are in the know) to play with their USB-PD chargers on their own if they want to.
(Best part: now if some iPhone battery blows up, Apple can blame the user of playing with charger which weren't the official packaged-in)
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Faster than what ?
Than standard USB wall-wart's max 5V 2A ?
(Meaning that indeed the smartphone manages to ask for 12V 2A using USB Power Delivery protocole - or any other QuickCharge variant)
Or faster than the standard 5V 1A that was packaged with it ?
(Meaning that the smartphone was simply using the standard max 5V 2A that the packaged wall wart couldn't achieve and that the 29W power supply could deliver by default if the device didn't engage in any USB-PD negociations).
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what did you expect?
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
that sounds like some pretty big reality distortion hype
My Nokia 950 supports USB-C fast charging via a built-in USB-C port, the fast charger came WITH the phone, and I can replace the battery, which is needed because fast charging diminishes the life of the battery.
Apple is still the suxx0r after all these years. Only dummies/sheep buy them.
buy a nickel's worth of copper, formed into a $1 cable and priced at $50 in a white "Designed by Apple in Cupertino California" box.
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to see how stupid their customers really are...
Uh, they tried that, about three models ago. $250 billion in cash reserves was the end result of that test.
History will be scratching it's head for centuries over this era.
Just use the cable and charger that ship with your phone
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Are you so blinded by your knee-jerk biases that you don't get the joke? lemme 'splain it to you. Remember those Samsung phones that burst into flames? And then they fixed them? And they burst into flames again? Thus when you said you burn through your battery (see it coming now?) he wryly put forward that it was a Samsung phone.
People would also complain about the phone being $20 more for having the more expensive charger.
If you complain that a 10 dollar charger adds costs to your 1000 iPhone you have issues bigger than this.
I routinely burn through the battery on my phone
Oh, a Samsung hey?
No no, he said that he burns through the battery on his phone, not that his phone burns the battery through him.
annoyed that they didn't put a USB-C connector ON THE DAMN PHONE
This. I'm already not upgrading from my iPhone 7 plus to a new iPhone due to the headphone jack (back to Android for me). But to not put C on the phone as well is perplexing and counter to my interests. USB-C charging is simply better and messing with special cables for the phone, when I have computers, chargers, music devices (e.g. the Roli Blocks) and other things all with USB-C connectors is not something I will put up with in my near future.
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>Side note: is battery efficiency why i users run around with external battery packs to play Pokemon go or similar?
The Pokemon app uses more power. Same with the Ingress app. 3D, GPS, sloppy coding and the screens always on while playing means you can run out in a morning on a fully charged, new device. Our grandkid uses my wife's phone for some 3D game and can empty the battery in an hour, while it'll go for 1.5 days in normal use.
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If they included a $3 USB-C to USB-A adapter like this [dx.com] there would be very little reason to complain since you'd get faster charging with the "native" charger and hey it kinda works with any other USB port too.
They'd complain about a non-standard adapter being included in the box. That adapter is a fire hazard since it allows people to plug two USB-A ports together if used with a standard male USB-C to male USB-A cable. Such an adapter might pass the USB standards testing if it had a USB to USB controller in it, but then it wouldn't be $3 any more, it'd be more like $30.
But chargers are a profit center, most people need more than one (home, cabin, car, travel) and they lose or forget them so hey, let's buy one more.
Yes, people do typically buy more than one. So then why complain about the one that comes in the box? Keep it as a cheap spare and buy the charger you really wanted and be done.
And in some people's mind there's only brand chargers and cheap knock-off fire hazards from eBay, a lot of people will only buy it almost no matter how much they charge.
Out of curiosity, why would people think that the cheap knock offs from eBay are fire hazards? Perhaps because people started fires with stuff they got from eBay? Remember, we're talking about a $1000 electronic device here. Isn't it worth the extra $30 to make sure that your $1000 investment isn't destroyed by a cheap $10 charger? I seem to recall a discussion, on this very forum, on how cheap chargers and cables were destroying expensive phones, tablets, and laptops.
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Apple ditches proprietary cable and will use the standard USB-C cable?
Or is that not anti Apple enough?
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If you already have a USB-C charger, you don't have to buy a new one. The headline is incorrect.
gee they require that the charger and cord actually output enough power to charge the battery at that rate?
If Apple had figured out how to charge a battery at a 3A rate with 2A of current I think they would have made i bit bigger deal about it.
Because it wouldn't work... would still be a 2A device
Just be thankful you get any ports at all. With them now adding wireless charging I would not be surprised if a future iPhone model has no ports at all.
I had to buy that setup something like a year ago for my wife's iPad. With the charger that came in the box, it discharges faster than it can charge if you use it while plugged in, and seems to only trickle charge if you don't use it while charging. But, with a USB-C charging and a USB-C to lightening cable, it works rather well. It charges her iPhone 7 pretty fast too. Apple really needs to step up it's packed-in power supplies to match the current needs of the equipment they're selling. (Or maybe the point is to get consumers to spend extra money.)
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That's like saying you have too many 8-track tapes lying around, so you're upset that car manufacturers no longer include an 8-track player.
The USB-C charging protocol allows the sink and source to negotiate a higher voltage.
Thank you for trying to correct me with what I've litteraly written, after the next line :
Also note that this is not "USB-C charging protocol". USB-C is merely a connector, used most often for USB 3.1+ but can even be used for USB 2.0.
The protocol is USB Power Delivery (USB-PD) (which supersedes previous protocols like USB Battery Charging Specification) - this is the one that introduces higher voltage negociations, like we've both written.
Also note that USB-PD is only ONE such protocol - it's merely the latest official USB standardization.
Various other vendors protocols such as Qualcom's QuickCharge 2.0 and up also feature the same feat (only QuickCharge 4.0 is officially compatible with USB-PD, though I've read about smartphones (by HTC) running on chipsets (like 625) that are normally designed for QuickCharge 3.0 that can operate with USB-PD - maybe a redesign from the manufacturer, of maybe simple some firmware modifications).
All this isn't linked to any specific type of connector. Both Qualcom's QuickCharge 2.0 and USB-PD can be implemented with any type of USB A and B connector.
(e.g.: Logitech' UE MegaBoom does it over a plain USB-A to micro-USB connection)
This is one of the things that makes USB-C charging better.
Again, this is one of the things that make USB-PD charging better.
It might be implemented in a micro-USB device.
And your USB-C device might only implement strictly USB 2.0
P=V*V/R so the losses in the wire are reduced by 16X, without changing the wire.
Okay, yeah I used another representation of the same law, P = RI^2
(You can convert one from the other simply by using V=RI):
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