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In a Highly Unusual Move, FTC Confirms It Is Investigating Equifax (reuters.com)

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) on Thursday confirmed it is investigating Equifax's handling of a data breach affecting 143m Americans. "The FTC typically does not comment on ongoing investigations. However, in light of the intense public interest and the potential impact of this matter, I can confirm that FTC staff is investigating the Equifax data breach," said Peter Kaplan, the commission's acting director of public affairs. Washington Post reporter tweeted: "To put a finer point on it, this is really, really unusual -- the FTC hardly ever says anything about ongoing probes."

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  1. Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slap on the wrist, formal apology issued, dinner and drinks at the White House with the executives of the company so that they can swear fealty, and back to #MAGA. Next problem? This is easy.

    1. Re:Trump will fix this. by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, +1 informative

    2. Re:Trump will fix this. by Kenja · · Score: 1

      He'll fix it like you fix a cat.

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    3. Re:Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank heaven for you...I was afraid the first highly rated post wasn't going to have the word Trump in it!

    4. Re:Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Slap on the wrist, formal apology issued, dinner and drinks at the White House with the executives of the company so that they can swear fealty, and back to #MAGA. Next problem? This is easy.

      And don't forget the most important thing: Trump will finally be able to get loans from American banks again.

    5. Re:Trump will fix this. by CaptnCrud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm no trump fan but you could pretty much insert any president's name from the last 20 years in this statement and it would still be true....

    6. Re:Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I saw a Simpsons episode about this. (In Australia anyway), they just have to give the CEO a giant boot. Trump will put a 3 or 4 times oversized boot on his foot and publicly kick the CEO of Equifax in the butt. It will be live streamed and repeatedly watched and laughed at many times.

    7. Re:Trump will fix this. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Nothing to see here plebs....the FTC is on it and justice right around the corner. You can now quietly put this baby to bed in your mind and wait for the next distraction.

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    8. Re:Trump will fix this. by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I think that would work. Seriously.

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    9. Re:Trump will fix this. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Slap on the wrist, formal apology issued, dinner and drinks at the White House with the executives of the company so that they can swear fealty, and back to #MAGA. Next problem? This is easy.

      Actually you forgot a la Wells Fargo, board members resign, receive golden parachutes for a job well done and then are replaced and the cycle continues. Every once in awhile though someone gets justice like Bernie Madoff or does anyone remember the Enron scandal?

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    10. Re:Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bernie Madoff scammed people with money. That is why he got hauled off to the can. Otherwise, scamming the proles is A-OK.

    11. Re:Trump will fix this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how lame is a party at the white house when you can do it at Mar-a-Lago

  2. Of course,it's the most singificant data break yet by evolutionary · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be surprising is there WASN'T an investigation given Equifax has credit and personal info on a huge number of the US population and controls credit access of virtually the entire country. Probably should have been more government monitoring for security which I would guess will occurs after a post-mortem of this incident.

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  3. Politicans were affected by Merk42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since politicians' identities were compromised along with the unwashed masses, OF COURSE they are going to investigate and make it known.

    1. Re:Politicans were affected by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      Since politicians' identities were compromised along with the unwashed masses [...]

      Citation needed

    2. Re:Politicans were affected by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      143 million Americans.

      Roughly 44% of the country (per https://www.census.gov/popcloc...)

      Math ain't hard.

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    3. Re:Politicans were affected by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      I have learned something in IT. Never assume. Maybe they keep VIP info in another database that was not leaked. Once I get solid evidence that someone important personal info was leaked through that breach, I will still think this database was full of regular people's info.

    4. Re:Politicans were affected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait so your lesson was to "never assume" and then proceed to assume they did extra work to have a database for VIPs?

    5. Re:Politicans were affected by mark-t · · Score: 1

      When you consider that there are over 167 million American adults with at least one credit card (2014 US Census), 143 million Americans would be equivalent to 85% of all credit card holders.

      Basically, if you have a credit card in the US, you should probably be checking with your bank now, if you haven't already... and determining what course of action you can best immediately take to ensure that no damage is done.

    6. Re:Politicans were affected by beanpoppa · · Score: 1

      Even if Senator Hotair's information was not part of the leak, you can bet that the Senator's son/daughter/sister was.

    7. Re:Politicans were affected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember why TRW changed its name.

  4. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

    Probably should have been more government monitoring for security which I would guess will occurs after a post-mortem of this incident.

    Seriously, you really think governments care about folks having their data leaked? If top govt execs info was leaked, then maybe we would get something real, but right now, all we'll see is a fake investigation with, as usual, no one going to jail or paying fines.

  5. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    based on the number of records leaked, there's a good 40% chance per top govt exec that their info WAS leaked

  6. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What makes you think that politicians' identities are exempt from this breach?

  7. I'm Not Reassured by MyLongNickName · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The head of the FCC is a former Verizon lawyer who is opposed to net neutrality and for allowing ISPs to sell your personal data without you being aware of it.

    I guess this is what MAGA means.

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    1. Re:I'm Not Reassured by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then you will be relieved to know that the FCC is not heading this investigation. The FTC is a completely different entity.

    2. Re:I'm Not Reassured by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1

      Whoops, you are quite correct. Brain cramp on my part.

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  8. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be surprising is there WASN'T an investigation given Equifax has credit and personal info on a huge number of the US population and controls credit access of virtually the entire country.

    I'm not sure that the FTC actually cares about the data that was leaked. On the other hand those allegations of insider trading due to the breach are certainly to interest to them.

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  9. Unusual would be NTSB investigating this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To see if there were any casualties in the wreckage

    1. Re:Unusual would be NTSB investigating this by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think that would be unusual. After all, the NTSB is charged with investigating train wrecks.

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    2. Re:Unusual would be NTSB investigating this by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      A +1 in spirit to you good sir.

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  10. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

    Still we don't know for sure. Maybe their sensitive info is kept in a special, non publicly accessible database. I mean, I don't think Trump, Obama, Bush or Clinton's credit record can really be accessed by usual means. If so, I'd say it is fuc*ing careless.

  11. If the trend means anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the trend means anything, some low level engineer who was hired after the project rolled out will be made an example of, the executives will get huge bonuses for making great improvements in security, and media will spin it to sound like it was all Trump's fault and that Hillary would have prevented it.

  12. I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I support the death penalty. So much, in fact, that I want to see Equifax executed - in this case, by having its corporate charter revoked. They're not "too big to fail". They're not providing a valuable product to our economy. They're not America's Last Great Hope at manufacturing or anything like that. They're a rent-seeking parasite on the economy who obviously can never again be trusty with the weaponizable data they collect on everyone who lives here. Cut off its head - sacrifice it on the altar of accountability and justice - and call it done.

    And as we'd lock up a street-level criminal until their trial, Equifax should be imprisoned by having its bank accounts and stock trades frozen immediately. Sure, that means it can't pay its CEO. Yes, it means its employees will break up with it in favor of more upstanding members of society. Yeah, it means it won't be able to pay rent and will probably get evicted. If all that's good enough for Joe Accused Weed Dealer, it's good enough for Equifax Accused Stalker.

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    1. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I support the death penalty. So much, in fact, that I want to see Equifax executed - in this case, by having its corporate charter revoked. They're not "too big to fail". They're not providing a valuable product to our economy. They're not America's Last Great Hope at manufacturing or anything like that. They're a rent-seeking parasite on the economy who obviously can never again be trusty with the weaponizable data they collect on everyone who lives here. Cut off its head - sacrifice it on the altar of accountability and justice - and call it done.

      And as we'd lock up a street-level criminal until their trial, Equifax should be imprisoned by having its bank accounts and stock trades frozen immediately. Sure, that means it can't pay its CEO. Yes, it means its employees will break up with it in favor of more upstanding members of society. Yeah, it means it won't be able to pay rent and will probably get evicted. If all that's good enough for Joe Accused Weed Dealer, it's good enough for Equifax Accused Stalker.

      Where are my mod points when I need them?? +1

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    2. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Another possibility is to treat them the way American justice treats offenders who commit civil offense 'crimes' like copyright infringement when copying a DVD.

      Each copy can result in fines up to $250,000 because you copied a DVD instead of buying a movie ticket. The Movie company lost their percentage of a theater ticket sale (say about $10.00), so they need to fine you appropriately. Their math says you should pay $250,000 for each $10.00 they lost. Corporations, the Courts, American politicians all agree this is fair and just.

      So we should apply the same standards to equifax. For every $10.00 lost by a member of the public in credit card fraud, higher interest rates because of ruined credit, additional legal fees, lost work and so on, equifax should be fined $250,000.

      Clean and simple. What's sauce for the goose, and so on...

      Start racking up the fines, and equifax might actually start paying attention to security.

      As it is, equifax has very little liability and they are hoping their lobbying efforts will eliminate any liability that does exist.

      We'll be lucky if they are ever held accountable. A few executives may be fined for insider trading, but they'll probably send Martha Stewart to jail before they send anyone who is really responsible.

    3. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They make an important service. Showing who is will pay back loans versus deadbeats. You will appreciate their stuff, if it is your bucks on the line.

      It isn't Equifax's fault anyway. With the sophistication of intrusion attempts, virtually everyone has been breached, even OPM. If government agencies can't stop hackers, how can a private company?

      Lets be real. Nothing is going to happen to Equifax, and life will go on.

    4. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      Or you could just have a relationship with anybody you are going to lend money to. But then landlords wouldn't be able to rent to strangers. The irony is that when businesses lend to each other, the still use old-fashion credit requests, with references etc.

    5. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm impressed that you got this modded up before all the Republicans and Libertarians here managed to tell us that corporations are only people when they're giving cash to help sway an election. Seriously, if corporations are people when giving campaign donations, then they're people when they commit over a hundred million counts of premeditated douchebaggery.

      IMO they should go beyond corporate death penalty. Toss in some generous prison time for all the C*Os. Oh, and let's not just freeze their accounts. Let's use civil forfeiture laws to seize of all corporate assets.

    6. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Well said

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    7. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

      I like how you think :)

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    8. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhm. Right. ITs not their fault cause 'everyone gets hacked'. I am in IT (and am a ISP) and that is utter fkn bullsh!t. It not that hard to setup a secure DB. If using a DB to just verify some info, like the SSN 123-45-6789 a one way hash can be used. The DB stores 01a54629efb952287e554eb23ef69c52097a75aecc0e3a93ca0855ab6d7a31a0 (this is the real output of a one way hash on that ssn). Then IF that DB is leaked the REAL SSN /can not be found as it has been hashed/. We go farther and hash /all/ data that is to be a check sum (dob, name, etc) and do compare lookups, if it doesnt match, they are not providing the correct information.

    9. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even then, all a blackhat has to do is run through about a billion SHA-256 hashes in the form of a script cycling from 000-00-0000 to 999-99-9999, and they have 1:1 table every ssn mapping. As stated above, the hackers always win, so there is pretty much nothing Equifax could have done.

    10. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 1

      With ya.

    11. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what politician do you think is going to stand up and take responsibility for putting thousands of people out of work?

    12. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      No, no, no. Reframe that: what politician do you think if going to stand up and take responsibility for taking down one of America's most hated financial institutions, that has just directly caused an identity theft disaster of unimaginable proportions upon the citizenry? I bet you'd get a few takers.

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    13. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Frankly this is what should of happened after the recent Wells Fargo scandal.

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    14. Re:I'm up for a corporate death penalty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something something salt, something something extra rounds of processing. Your style of defeatist attitude towards security is part of the problem. Doing something is better than doing nothing at all.

  13. Equifax Job Posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Saw this on Monster this morning:

    EQUIFAX (Atlanta GA) is seeking a talented and highly motivated software engineer and security expert to manage the fallout of our recent security breach. Duties will include analyzing failures in security systems, taking the blame for prior failures, and generally being a scapegoat for the breakdown in security that lead to our infamous breach. Contract position is expected to last approximately 3-6 months, or until the end of criminal investigations, whichever is longer. Compensation includes generous exit bonus to compensate for ruining your career.

    Interested candidates must have a BS or MS in Computer Science or equivalent work experience, not that it actually matters.

    1. Re:Equifax Job Posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their previous cyber security experts resume stated past work experience as... McDonalds, Comcast customer service, Enterprise rent-a-car, and personal email server manager for HRC.

    2. Re:Equifax Job Posting by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      also worked the up-sell squad at best buy after selling the most disk guard plans when they just a cashier. say for just $5 more can brake your disk and the next madden for free does sell people.

    3. Re:Equifax Job Posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The current Chief Security Officer's LinkedIn page indicates undergraduate and graduate degrees in music composition. Wish I were joking.

  14. Good! by plague911 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Equifax needs to face SEVERE punishment for negligence. Their incompetence impacts everything from personal finance, to national security. Just think what those nasty Russian's will do with the knowledge of exactly which pesky counter intelligence officer is having credit issues.

    1. Re:Good! by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the reason that nothing serious will come of this is because it only really affects personal finances.

      Some portion of the affected 143M will be victims of credit fraud and their credit scores will decline as a result. They will then end up paying a risk premium to borrow money, when, in fact, they don't represent the actual level of risk they pay a premium for. It's actually an increased level of profit for lenders.

      At the margins, though, I would expect *some* lenders and sellers of financed products to be concerned about this. If a large amount of fraud came out of this, they could suffer writeoffs and potentially reduced sales as already high-risk consumers were pushed out of credit markets. But mostly I would expect the people vulnerable to fraud to be those with credit/identity worth stealing.

      Bottom line, consumers pay and some corner of the lending and sales market experiences added friction and a dip in sales.

    2. Re:Good! by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      The only reason this is getting the attention it is? There are likely a whole pile of politicians in the "143m Americans" affected. That's why health care, social security, medicare are all fucked, they don't apply to those in power.

    3. Re:Good! by swb · · Score: 2

      I think the credit reporting agencies are a special racket -- their customers are the lenders, lenders who stand to profit when they can charge the highest possible risk premium to borrowers.

      The credit reporting agencies have a moral hazard to increase the incremental perceived risk of borrowers. It makes their risk assessments appear more accurate (lenders only care about borrowers whose incurred risks don't include a risk premium) and allows lenders to charge a higher risk premium to borrowers.

      It's closed system where consumers have little recourse and where lenders and credit reporters can collude to their individual benefit.

    4. Re:Good! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Well, you were doing great before you injected unfounded Russophobia into your comment. Seriously, WTF? TEH ROOSHINS under your bed? Make sure and check before you go to sleep tonight. You might find some ROOSHINS and have to shoot them with your gun like a good American tool.

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    5. Re:Good! by plague911 · · Score: 2

      Do you have a disability that prevents you from noticing tongue-in-cheek terminology? The Russian's were specifically called out at they are one of the few nations capable of doing that sort of sophisticated wet-work .

    6. Re:Good! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      That's not what wet-work means. Doing things by computer is specifically not wet-work. The ridiculous Russophobic paranoia right now is approaching McCarthyism levels. People are seeing TEH ROOSHINS in their sleep and in their children's schools. It's not healthy, this level of irrationality.

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    7. Re:Good! by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Combine this data with the leak of personal information from OPM a few years ago, and you have yourself a nice list of people to target - folks with active (or recently active) security clearances THAT ALSO have debt issues.

      It just got that much easier to make a target list.

  15. Re: Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the place I used to work had a huge database and it protected the records of politicians, celebrities, and ultra wealthy.
    I suspect it is a common practice.

  16. hard time for any H1B fraud at the VP level and up by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    hard time for any H1B fraud at the VP level and up.

  17. Get a credit freeze by Torodung · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you aren't involved in credit application activities, get a credit freeze at all three agencies now. Then they will not provide information. Make things difficult for any fraudster.

    You can lift the freeze when you need to.

    Caveat: It costs money, but it's currently free at Equifax (the page is sometimes cratered, however).

    Good luck everyone. And kudos to LifeLock's cracker department (JK).

    1. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Get a freeze at all FOUR agencies now. Don't forget Innovis.

    2. Re:Get a credit freeze by lgw · · Score: 1

      The problem with this: enough information was leaked to impersonate you thoroughly. How can Equifax confirm the person asking for your credit to be unfrozen is actually you? By confirming you know a set of things that were leaked.

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    3. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you! I didn't know the name of the fourth.

    4. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can Equifax confirm the person asking for your credit to be unfrozen is actually you?

      When you put the freeze in place you are given a PIN which is required to thaw your report. Unless an attacker somehow manages to steal that, they will not be able to lift the freeze with just the info they stole originally.

    5. Re:Get a credit freeze by flink · · Score: 1

      Get a freeze at all FOUR agencies now. Don't forget Innovis.

      It's actually five. Don't forget Chex Systems.

    6. Re:Get a credit freeze by lgw · · Score: 1

      Just hope they don't beat you to the freeze. :)

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    7. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we do the same to LexisNexis, too?

    8. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't really matter. If they have enough info on you, then they can potentially remove it without the PIN. Sadly, there's no fool-proof way to avoid being hit by this. The only good thing is that the odds are very low that anything will actually happen to any one of us.

    9. Re:Get a credit freeze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just like when you get an email from your bank saying that your credit card may have been compromised because they suddenly saw transactions on your card in a state 1500 miles away. So you call the fraud number in the email. What's the first piece of information that they ask you for? The credit card number! doh.

  18. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Governments care slightly because upset voters can mean politicians get kicked out. By contrast, Equifax doesn't care at all because we're just data points to them and whether we're happy or upset data points doesn't matter at all. Government regulation might not be perfect, but it's better than just letting Equifax do whatever it wants and assuming that "the market will sort it out."

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  19. Theory- by WolfgangVL · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tinfoil hattery:

    This beach was state sponsored. Over the next few weeks, American identities will be stolen en-mass, prompting nationwide credit-freeze. Consumers lose trust in the American system of credit/debt as the fraudulently borrowed moneys and goods leave the country before the freeze. People demand companies are punished, and place blame on the money lenders and banks.

    People go back to spending only what they've earned. Retail feels the pinch first. Many go under in the first months. Prices rise, as available supply of goods diminishes (no longer produced on a credit-line, volume drops)

    When the money stops moving around, the financial sector of the US economy withers and dies within weeks.

    The 1% panic. Crisis follows.

    I imagine this is what 21st century warfare looks like.

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    1. Re:Theory- by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Duct tape and tin foil are dangerous when used together. At least make little holes for breathing.

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    2. Re:Theory- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or, credit cards and banks start asking for actual proof of identity rather than just SSN and identify theft just plain stops.

    3. Re:Theory- by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The prudent have already placed a security freeze on their credit with all three credit bureaus to prevent new accounts from being opened up.
      ( You should do this anyway since there is no need to run credit checks very often. Unfreeze when you need to )

      Don't even bother trying to do it online unless you enjoy frustration. Just call them.

              Equifax — 1-800-349-9960
              Experian — 1-888-397-3742
              TransUnion — 1-888-909-8872

      Banks / lenders will simply reissue new cards and / or change account numbers to be on the safe side. $$$ for them, but I suspect they're
      going to recoup those costs and then some in the lawsuit they're gonna hit Equifax with.

      Maybe we should add a user modifiable pin to the SSN for all transactions that require it.
      ( Or, quit using the GD thing since for day to day ID as it was never supposed to be used for such purposes )

      You should probably pull your free credit report from all three agencies asap if you haven't done so already so you have a baseline to work with
      going forward.

    4. Re:Theory- by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      When the money stops moving around, the financial sector of the US economy withers and dies within weeks.

      It would almost be worth it just to have that happen. The financial sector is a parasite.

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    5. Re:Theory- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been smoking those rocks again?

    6. Re:Theory- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I managed to freeze my Experian credit. I called up Equifax (their site was hosed), provided the same information as I did to Experian, however they stated it was wrong. I really don't like these companies.

    7. Re:Theory- by SlideWRX · · Score: 1

      If this was a State sponsored breach, then it is likely that the US told Equifax to withhold the news of the release until another major news event was happening, in order to reduce the effect. with a couple of hurricanes, there will (conveniently) need to be a lot of consumer purchasing to replace lost items, largely on credit. Crisis Averted!

    8. Re:Theory- by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      Well that was close!

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  20. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by mark-t · · Score: 1

    It's higher than that. About 25% of the nation's population is under 18, and are less likely to be impacted anyways. Since top execs are typically over 18, it is probsbly closer to 55 or 60 percent

  21. A MUST HAPPEN...verify everything. by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 2

    One thing is for sure, from a legal standpoint Equifax and EVERY credit reporting must verify EVERY item on EVERY credit report. Why? Because that cannot prove that the data has not been tampered with for any reason. They need to prove they verified it as well. By law, they have to prove that the data about each of us is in fact true. They can not. If they are permitted to stay in business, they should wipe down to 0 for each of us. New slate. Them too. But, I think they should all be put out of business for security reasons.

    1. Re:A MUST HAPPEN...verify everything. by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Have they *ever* suffered for libeling someone in their "credit report"? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. If not, then their legal duty is purely theoretical.

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    2. Re:A MUST HAPPEN...verify everything. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, your never sick until your sick either. It's time they taste their own medicine.

  22. Re:More big government nanny state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't work. The free market can only control a companies behavior when the people affected are the customers of the company. Equifax's customers are other companies, specifically banks, credit unions, rental management companies and the like. They don't really care that individuals who Equifax keeps information on have been compromised. I mean it's short sighted of them, since they are likely to take the brunt of the loss that will result from the identity theft that results, but in the short term, quarter to quarter view they aren't the ones whose data was compromised.
    So for the free market to "take care of the problem" Equifax's customers would have to respond by no longer using them. Unless that happens there will be no correction by Equifax, baring a government investigation.
    The whole insider trading thing is a separate issue and is definitely a government matter. Unfortunately other members of the market will not punish the inside traders by never doing business with them again. That kind of free market self correction only works in the kind of small tight ethically driven class based markets of Smith's day, not the global market of the 21st century.

  23. Wow, it's worse than first thought by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    The data loss and ID theft seems to have affected the FCC head honchos, too.

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    1. Re:Wow, it's worse than first thought by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Hopefully, somebody took out 30 credit cards on the chairman, his wife and his kids.

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  24. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "surprise" is only that the FTC publicly confirmed the investigation, not that there is an investigation (everyone knew there would be one).

  25. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Koreantoast · · Score: 3, Insightful

    based on the number of records leaked, there's a good 40% chance per top govt exec that their info WAS leaked

    I would add, based on that percentage, not only is there a good chance that top government executives had their information leaked, but its most likely that information was also leaked about their spouses, adult children, parents, siblings, friends, etc. So I think many would take this personally. If you want to be cynical about it, this leak is going to create a lot of headaches for powerful entities like multinational banks, telecoms, and others who relied on Equifax to vet loans and identities and are going to have to deal with large spikes in fraud for years because of the breach. This kind of breach also helps to further undermine confidence in the banking system they are a part of. They may want this to go forward so they can take a chunk out of Equifax's hide as well. Oh, and their and their families, friends, etc. personal data has also been leaked, so they will probably have some personal motivations as well.

  26. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by ACE209 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, you really think governments care about folks having their data leaked? If top govt execs info was leaked, then maybe we would get something real, but right now, all we'll see is a fake investigation with, as usual, no one going to jail or paying fines.

    They better do care.

    As far as I know, if you know the social security number of someone, you can impersonate them.

    If the leak really contains half the SSNs of the country, this could be used to cause quite a lot of trouble to the economy.

    Without economy no elite.

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  27. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by smccurry · · Score: 2

    I'd say at best, they are in the same database and marked with some special restriction flags.

  28. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And not all adults even have credit history. They pretty much compromised every American who has gainful employment.

  29. Bullshit snark headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject.

  30. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by dpilot · · Score: 2

    It's not simply the breach. It's that after the breach, things just kept getting worse.
      - Executives sold a bunch of stock between the breach and the report.
      - The first "Am I affected?" site was horribly constructed from a security point of view, not to mention not being clear about the legalese regarding liability. There were also reports that it was acting like a simple random-response generator - putting in nonsense IDs gave specific answers - with both types of results.
      - The "Freeze my credit" site set up to handle the volume, and the PIN they gave was a simple time-date stamp, easily guessed.

    One of these days, I plan to write to my banking institutions saying that Equifax has failed miserably at their primary job - being secure, and my institutions should not be using such a shoddy business.

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  31. Oh please by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    How many bankers did jail time under Obama for the financial mess?

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    1. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just goes to show that corporatism is hardly just a rightwing ideology these days.

      Until and unless there's real punishment for this kind of malfeasence, we're not going to see any change. It's about time some of these C level executives went to prison over this kind of irresponsibility. What's more, it shouldn't even be legal to amass that amount of data. Nobody needs it and when the databases are ultimately compromised, who knows what's going to happen. It's not just theft, but tampering as well that can cause serious problems.

      All they really need to know, is what your income is, how much credit you've got and if you've declared bankruptcy or defaulted on your obligations. That's it. There's no reason why any of that even needs to be accessible to the internet. The score potentially needs to be for practical reasons, but the things going into the score mostly are one way, the only real exception is for credit reports and for consumers wanting to dispute things in their report. Those can and should be either exported individually as needed or sent out in paper form.

    2. Re:Oh please by zifn4b · · Score: 3, Informative

      How many bankers did jail time under Obama for the financial mess?

      The same amount that did under the George W. Bush administration

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    3. Re:Oh please by pots · · Score: 1

      Funny thing, there's a documentary on this which just aired on Frontline. There was one bank which was prosecuted for the subprime mortgage crisis, just one. A tiny one based in Chinatown in New York.

    4. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of people got away with shit. There was this guy called Casey Serin who bought a bunch of houses to flip by lying on bank loans. He got quite a bit of notoriety/publicity and even his own mocking wiki (Caseypedia which is now offline). He was in the hole for over $2 million.

      As far as I know, he was never prosecuted.

  32. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIK insider trading would be SEC territory.

  33. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by lgw · · Score: 2

    Insider trading is the SEC, not the FTC, right? The SEC actually scares executives and board members, unlike most regulatory bodies.

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  34. Re:Of course,it's the most singificant data break by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    PII data is not well regulated in the US. People are much more concerned with card numbers than your personal information.

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  35. Re: Of course,it's the most singificant data break by datavirtue · · Score: 1

    Same here...we don't keep the real SSN of celebs or execs in the database. They are exempt.

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  36. So Equifax bigwigs will be invited by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    to play a few rounds of golf with FTC bigwigs? That's what I'm guessing will happen.

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  37. Investigating is a way to control discontentment by elcor · · Score: 1

    FTC is saving their ass. Just see all the lawsuiting slow down.

  38. Alternative theory by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    That is not an implausible theory, but it relies on the response sequence that you cite. In reality, events do not happen in a vacuum.

    OTOH, the banks and lenders (or the federal government by regulation) could enable better safeguards to validate identity other than SSN (which was never intended to be a universal ID) and require all lenders of any amount greater than $50 to validate and document the identity in person of the borrower using two IDs at least one of which is a photo ID, 2 factor authentication (call the cell number of record on the account to verify identity) and for good measure get a full facial photo and thumb print of the borrower on record as part of the required transaction documents for documentation and comparison to those on file. Ban all anonymous mail and online based credit applications of any kind (a notary public could be used to validate identity in legitimate cases). Require all documents be validated prior to extending credit.

    For any victims of identity theft, a single FBI form should be all that is required to report ID theft, at which point all businesses who extended stolen credit are SOL and have no recourse unless they can prove criminal fraud in court first.

    99% of identity theft dries up permanently in a couple of weeks, banks and lenders absorb a 2% increase to their cost of doing business, and the general population has one less thing to worry about...

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  39. Some thoughts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder, Where did the leaked data go? Who has it? How can Joe Blow and John Q. get a copy of it?

    Next random thought, just exactly what info was in the leak, would it possibly contain say, data on people in WitSec? That could be serious. What about
    random other people who are laying low, like victims of domestic violence?

    Another though was, was the db editable in any way? Are there transaction logs? Could a person have edited or even completely deleted the credit history of someone? If so the hacker(s) would have been smart to do that to all the bad entries. That would have increased the value of identities they obtained.

    Edit: Captcha: ramble

  40. BS by Christinagirl1 · · Score: 1

    They have no teeth! They investigate them every minute of every day for something and then fine them some pidly amount. They never did anything in the past, why would they do anything now. Just look at their website and all of the complaints. BS. Total F*cking BS! Now they expect us to eat it. They should be investigated too! Why the hell have they waited so long to do something? They are partly to blame for this mess.

  41. Don't trust the FTC either! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UnF*cking believable! The top FTC consumer enforcer used to represent EQUIFAX! This is up there with the fact that a Verizon lawyer is in charge of the FCC! OMF*ckingG! I just can't believe this shit! We are dealing with too much cronyism. This has to stop, truly. DC is totally out of touch. How are we going to fix this systemic corruption?

    http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202798002021/FTCs-Top-Consumer-Enforcer-Previously-Represented-Equifax-He-Wont-Lead-the-Probe?mcode=1202617074964&curindex=0&slreturn=20170814155954

  42. Why 3? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do we even have 3 companies that handle credit card reports? If we kill off Equifuck, then we still have two more left. Less companies, less chance of security breaches.

  43. Were they PCI compliant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet not .. and yeah, nobody will get hurt financially, expect some of those 143m, but that's small percentages compared to lynching a couple of executives.