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Apple Explains Face ID On-stage Failure (bbc.com)

Apple has explained why its new facial recognition feature failed to unlock a handset at an on-stage demo (see around the 1:35:58 mark here) at the iPhone X's launch on Tuesday. From a report: The company blamed the Face ID glitch on a lockout mechanism triggered by staff members moving the device ahead of its unveil. Apple's software chief dealt with the hiccup by moving on to a back-up device, which worked as intended. But the hitch was widely reported. "People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face," an unnamed company representative is quoted as saying by Yahoo's David Pogue. "After failing a number of times, because they weren't Craig [Federighi], the iPhone did what it was designed to do, which was to require his passcode."

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  1. and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jm007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they did rehearse this, no?

    1. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am pretty sure Bill Gates did a rehearsal before connecting a scanner to his W98 PC on the stage when he got a BSOD... Shit happens, and it sometimes happens with the worst timing possible.

    2. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by jm007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      here's another truth to consider.... companies won't tell the truth if it makes them look bad.... they spin it so it's somehow okay or at least insignificant; in this particular context of a 'big release event,' how much pressure do you think there is regarding truth vs perception?

    3. Re:and it didn't happen during rehearsal? by Strider- · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a former Sales Engineer, I always hated doing live demos in front of (potential) customers. Yeah, it's like Milli Vanilli lip syncing, but I would always always push for doing canned demos, or ones that depended on my skill. When something has a 0.1% surprise rate, that means it will happen in a demo 100% of the time.

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  2. Pass by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A device the police can unlock by just showing it to you? pass.

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    1. Re:Pass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Could be just me, but I never had requirement for the phone to be police-proof. Family-proof - yes, but never had bad experience with police, neither did I consider it as a serious factor when comparing devices.

    2. Re: Pass by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      hardly enforceable when a SWAT team broke into your home at 4am with stun grenades...

    3. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      The police can also force you to put your fingerprint on the phone or has happen in the U.K., Judy tackle you while you're using your phone (https://9to5mac.com/2016/12/05/uk-police-have-a-new-tactic-for-circumventing-strong-iphone-encryption-steal-the-unlocked-phone-out-of-the-criminals-hand/).

      There is nothing that Apple can do to prevent rubber-hose decryption.

    4. Re:Pass by Karlt1 · · Score: 2

      I actually watched someone unlock an iDevice with another iDevice by showing it their employee roster picture from our company website..

      How? This is the first "iDevice" that has had facial unlock?

    5. Re:Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Could be just me, but I never had requirement for the phone to be police-proof.

      But some people do need protection from the police. If you don't speak up for their rights, there will be no one left to speak up when the police come for you.

      You can feel complacent about your freedom only because other people have fought and sacrificed for you.

    6. Re: Pass by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The dog was wagging its tail and lying on the rug, still shot.

    7. Re:Pass by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 2

      They say you can change your hair, grow a beard, etc and it still work. I don't see the big deal, the last Lumia phone has iris recognition and opened that way. An older Samsung phone my buddy had could open with facial recognition, it also worked when I held my phone to his with a picture of his face on my screen, so not super secure.

    8. Re:Pass by sinij · · Score: 2

      Little do they know, I intend to show my ass to this facial recognition tech.

    9. Re:Pass by sootman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Your eyes have to be open for this to work. If a cop grabs your phone, close your eyes. If they try to get you to unlock it, open one eye, then the other, until it fails. If a cop grabs your phone, the first thing he'll do is look at it, thus triggering failure #1. It only takes 2 failures to trigger the passcode requirement. https://www.macrumors.com/2017...

      2. As we are discussing right here in this very story, if it fails to unlock by face, IT THEN ASKS FOR A PASSCODE. And it WON'T OPEN AGAIN UNTIL THAT PASSCODE IS ENTERED. So you are just as secure as if you were already a passcode-only person.

      This is actually MORE secure than the current thumbprint system, which can ABSOLUTELY be opened if you are restrained. There's no way to close your thumbprint when you're in handcuffs. As has been discussed elsewhere, you can not (in the U.S., generally, blah blah blah) be compelled to give your password but you can be compelled to put your thumb on a device.

      3. Also, there's this: https://www.theverge.com/2017/...

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    10. Re:Pass by RobinH · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure anyone who cared (like myself) would just turn off facial ID unlock and use a pass code.

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    11. Re:Pass by gfilion · · Score: 2

      Apparently it does face recognition in 3D, so a simple picture would not work.

  3. Feature without a requirement by Sherman+Peabody · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway. They have really lost touch with their user base, IMHO, and stray further and further afield. I think it may be time for another visionary but I doubt that Apple's culture will promote one as the old guard holds on for dear life.

    1. Re:Feature without a requirement by geekoid · · Score: 2

      A lot of people want this feature. It's a cool feature. I suspect many don't realize the security issue.

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    2. Re:Feature without a requirement by blindseer · · Score: 2

      No one asked for this feature, but Apple wants to give it to us anyway.

      Then it will show up in device sales and user surveys. Voice activated login was a thing for a while, going WAY back in time. Maybe that's still a thing, I just don't know of anyone that uses it. If it's broken in some way, and/or people just don't like it, then it will quietly go away. If it works and people like it then that will also show in sales and surveys.

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    3. Re:Feature without a requirement by Altus · · Score: 2

      no more so than thumbprints are really but people are far more likely to lock their phone if they can use a quick biometric test rather than typing in a passcode. Its certainly a lot more secure than unlocked. Lots of people just didn't lock their phone before biometrics were an option

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  4. From the same company who lies repeatedly by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reception issues? You're holding it wrong
    You iPhone 6 display touchscreen stops working? You must have dropped it
    Video display on your Macbook flickering? Isolated, non-systemic incident

  5. Move your iPhone? by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    I didn't think you were supposed to remove it from its shrine. Just gaze at it with admiration. If it deems you worthy, it will unlock.

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  6. Movement causes battery drain? by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple's explanation sounds like people simply moving the phone around caused the phone to try to authenticate via Face ID, and because the authentication attempts failed, the phone required Craig Federaghi to enter his passcode.

    Seems like the phone could waste electricity trying to face authenticate when no such authentication is wanted.

  7. "You're holding it wrong" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face,

    Just make sure you do not leave it face up on a table anywhere where your significant other, boy/girfriend, kids and/or sibblings or just random other public could be getting into the viewing angle of that camera (sitting down eating your lunch perhaps ? Or just at your desk in class or at work ? Or relaxing on the couch with the phone on the side table ?) ...

    Yet another of those "working well in a controlled environment, but not thought out for real life" "enhancements". :-)

  8. It just about works. by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

    I mean, who would ever move a mobile phone? Clearly this is an extreme corner[1] case that bears no resemblance to typical usage.

    [1] Rounded, of course.

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  9. Freebie for three-letter agencies by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can just hear the NSA drooling over this feature now. A phone that tries to facial-recognize everyone who gets in range? It must be one of their wildest dreams come true.

    1. Re:Freebie for three-letter agencies by Prien715 · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Between this and Alexa/Google Home, we've installed what are the potential eyes and eyes of Big Brother into homes without realizing it. Even Mark Zuckerberg puts a sticker on his laptop's camera.

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  10. Never had a User Base just Fanbois by ghoul · · Score: 2

    Apple never does user surveys and asks customers what they want. In Apple philosophy customers are dumb , they do not know what they want. Apple builds it and they come

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  11. Murphy's Vortex by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Unless you've ever done a live demo in front of a lot of people, nobody can quite understand how freaky it is to have stuff go wrong like this.

    A company I used to work for did a live demo of a brand new technology at a CES press conference once. Nearly every engineer in the company was on hand monitoring stuff. We must have done a dozen dry runs before the live demo, and that was after testing the crap out of it in the lab. We got it up and running before the presentation and left it running - no stopping or starting. It worked fine, but that was how freaked out the engineers and sales guys were over the demo - 'cause they've done them before and saw stuff go haywire for no particular reason.

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    1. Re:Murphy's Vortex by Strider- · · Score: 2

      Unless you've ever done a live demo in front of a lot of people, nobody can quite understand how freaky it is to have stuff go wrong like this.

      One of the products I worked with was an auto-acquire satellite dish. The idea is that you assemble the unit, hit the button, and the thing goes and finds your desired satellite in the sky. It was brand new, we were just breaking into that space (if you'll pardon the pun), and we had tested the hell out of it. It was pretty quick, and quite reliable.

      Then we had to do a sales demo in front of a major distributor in East London. We get to London, I setup the thing at the Hotel and check it out, everything's going well. We pack up, and the next day go to the customer site. I put the unit together, showing how easy it is, and hit the go button, and immediately the thing starts going crazy. Well, the one thing we had missed? We had tested it entirely in the Western Hemisphere. There was a bug in the software that couldn't handle longitude on the east side of the prime meridian. Oops.

      So, I just sort of carry on and say "and if you're in a GPS denied environment, you can pick a nearby city from the included database, and it will use that instead." and boom, it works.

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  12. Accurate demo. by deep44 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Accurate demo of just how frustrating it will be to use this stupid feature.

    They obviously started with the idea of removing the home button, and worked backwards from there. Let's see: no home button means no fingerprint scanning ... couldn't go back to passcode-only because they already told everyone how bad that is ... iris scanning didn't pan out for whatever reason ... so ... facial recognition it is. Oh yeah, and swipe up to go home, because it hadn't dawned on anyone to try that before and turns out it's the best approach.

  13. Re:how is this different from with Windows98 BSOD by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    The difference is that Microsoft never had the slogan "It Just Works".

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  14. Their own staff didn't know how it operated by Archon · · Score: 2

    "People were handling the device for [the] stage demo ahead of time and didn't realise Face ID was trying to authenticate their face."

    Everything had already been leaked, yet Apple's overzealous secrecy meant their own staff didn't know how to operate the devices they were being tasked to prepare for presentation. More than ample time/money/staff/resources to train the prep crew appropriately but deliberately chose not to.

    I'd consider this more a management error than the prep crew.