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'Banned Books Week' Recognizes 2016's Most-Censored Books (and Comic Books) (newsweek.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Newsweek: The American Library Association's yearly Banned Books Week, held this year between Sunday September 24 and Saturday September 30, is both a celebration of freedom and a warning against censorship. Launched in 1982 in response to a sudden surge in the number of challenges to books in schools, bookstores and libraries, the event spotlights the risk of censorship still present... "While books have been and continue to be banned, part of the Banned Books Week celebration is the fact that, in a majority of cases, the books have remained available. This happens only thanks to the efforts of librarians, teachers, students, and community members who stand up and speak out for the freedom to read," the ALA stated.
"This Banned Books Week, we're asking people of all political persuasions to come together and celebrate Our Right to Read," says a coalition supporting the event. The ALA reports that half of the most frequently challenged books were in fact actually banned last year, according to the library group's Office for Intellectual Freedom (OIF), which calculates there were 17% more attempts to censor books in America in 2016. The five most-challenged books all contained LGBT characters, and the most common phrase used to complain about books is "sexually explicit," the OIF told Publisher's Weekly -- perhaps reflecting a change in targets. He believes one reason is that most challenges now are reported not for books in the library but against books in the advanced English curricula of some schools. This change also represents a shift upward in the age of the readers of the most challenged books. "We've moved from helicopter parenting, where people were hovering over their kids, to Velcro parenting," LaRue says. "There's no space at all between the hand of the parent and the head of the child. These are kids who are 16, 17; in one year they're going to be old enough to sign up for the military, get married, or vote, and their parents are still trying to protect them from content that is sexually explicit. I think that's a shift from overprotectiveness to almost suffocating."
Three of the 10 most-challenged books were graphic novels, so the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund is sharing their own list of banned and challenged comics.

Their list includes two Neil Gaiman titles, Sandman and The Graveyard Book , as well two popular Batman titles -- Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Strikes Again and Alan Moore's The Killing Joke -- plus Moore's graphic novel Watchmen, Maus by Art Spiegelman, and even Amazing Spider-Man: Revelations by J. Michael Straczynski and John Romita, Jr.

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  1. It's not the banned books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the ignored books.

    1. Re:It's not the banned books by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      People do generally ignore books that are poorly written and/or otherwise painful reads.

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    2. Re:It's not the banned books by gnick · · Score: 1, Troll

      You lost me at Jesse Ventura. This sounds like book that can be ignored without harming the world.

      I still trip out that you can watch 2 future governors fight Predator.

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    3. Re:It's not the banned books by walterhpdx · · Score: 1

      And yet somehow both the Twilight and 50 Shades series were blockbuster sellers that turned into movies. ::sigh::

  2. Come on by jandrese · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Batman: The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Boland
    Reason challenged: Advocates rape and violence

    Why is it not a rule that you have to actually read the book before you ban it? Or did the censor completely miss the message of the book?

    Maus by Art Spiegelman
    Reason challenged: Anti-ethnic and unsuited for age group

    This one is from a public library so I have no idea what the problem with the age group is. It also shows another complete lack of understanding of the material.

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    1. Re: Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Banning "Maus"? It is a history book in cartoon form. We cant have history books showing nazi horrors? Because we cant talk about nazi ideas, not even to point out the errors? Or did some poor nazi take offense?

    2. Re:Come on by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Funny

      Batman: The Killing Joke by Alan Moore and Brian Boland Reason challenged: Advocates rape and violence

      Maus by Art Spiegelman Reason challenged: Anti-ethnic and unsuited for age group

      So, the bible has to be the top of this list right? Advocates not only rapr and violence but also slavery and genocide amongst many more

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    3. Re:Come on by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Reason challenged: Advocates rape and violence

      Around age 14, when I would have been interested in reading The Killing Joke, my class had to read Tess of the D'Urbervilles at school. In that book the protagonist is raped, gets pregnant, calls the child "Sorrow" and neglects it until it dies, then murders the rapist and is hung for it. Finally her sister is obliged to marry her husband because apparently that was the done thing back then.

      I'm going from memory here but it was a pretty screwed up story, and when it was released was considered popular trash. In fact I seem to recall it was serialized in a newspaper.

      We also read about Greek heroes (most of whom were not very heroic, having an unfortunately tendancy to rape and murder the families of the "bad guys" they defeated), and of course Shakespeare. Romeo and Juliet, a story about a 17 year old boy and his 13 year old girlfriend, which ends with a murder and double suicide.

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    4. Re:Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When we were kids, you could also play outside without getting your parents in trouble for neglect. Unfortunately, you and your ilk have had your way and this is our world now. You've defended censorship many many times here; why do you act like you don't like it?

  3. Books *and* comic books? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...in other words, books?

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    1. Re:Books *and* comic books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Wow, what happened to your 97 billion karma points? Heavy Chris is at -1, who would have thought it?

  4. Mein Kampf by GuB-42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Mein Kampf is banned in many countries.
    The way it was implemented is a bit uncommon because it uses the copyright law : Hitler's property was seized by the government of Bavaria, including Mein Kampf copyright, and it was used to block the sales.

    I really think that no list of banned books should be without it. Because it shows that censorship is not just about LGBT stuff, it is also about what "progressives" find despicable. And if you really are against censorship, you should also fight for Mein Kampf to be available.
    It also shows that copyright abuse is a form of censorship.

    1. Re: Mein Kampf by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Don't they still publish Mein Kamph, but with notations arguing against Hitler's ideology? Or was that something they were just talking about doing?

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    2. Re:Mein Kampf by GumphMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

      That copyright expired 1 Jan 2016, so that control mechanism should be dead and buried. The book remained freely available in most of the world regardless.

      Censorship was very effectively wielded by the far-right of politics in WWII Germany, the far left of politics in the USSR, the McCarthyist US to "protect" against the red peril, .... It is painfully obvious that censorship is used by groups of all persuasions not just 'progressives' (whatever that encompasses in your world view).

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    3. Re:Mein Kampf by hord · · Score: 1

      Did they learn about burning books from Hitler?

    4. Re:Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been available on Amazon for years. We should not be banning literary and artistic works from historical figures no matter how heinous they have been. It is a great read, well written by an author with passion and insanity. People can get insight into Hitler's mind by reading his own words. It gave me a new perspective into his rise to power and the Holocaust.

    5. Re:Mein Kampf by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      But it is the fact that 'progressives' such despicable tactics is precisely the issue, despite informing us that they are the good guys on every issue and only deplorable people would do otherwise.

      Incredible to think that the ACLU once sued for the rights of nazis to march in the streets. They were in favor of the First Amendment back then. How times have changed!

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    6. Re:Mein Kampf by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That copyright expired 1 Jan 2016
      No it did not.
      Why should it?

      Hitler died 1945 ... not 1926.

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    7. Re: Mein Kampf by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Bavaria has been ruled by the same party since 1957. It is the most conservative government of any German state and stuck decades in the past. There is really no way to call them progressive, not even when comparing them to your Republicans.

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    8. Re:Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's 70 years after death not 89.
      I vaguely there was talk at the time that it should be increased to 90 because of this book but that didn't happen.

    9. Re: Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1945+70=2015

    10. Re: Mein Kampf by mean+pun · · Score: 1

      There is really no way to call them progressive, not even when comparing them to your Republicans.

      There is no rational way, but ratio is not very important in US politics.

    11. Re:Mein Kampf by ilguido · · Score: 2

      The Wandering Jew by Eugene Sue is the most censored book. It is so censored that even a show about censored books does not mention it. The sad part is that it was praised by many contemporaries (from E. A. Poe to E. Salgari) as a literary masterpiece.

    12. Re:Mein Kampf by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      So it wasn't actually banned, any more than a 1995 Spice Girls CD single is banned because they don't make it any more and copyright prevents other people from making and selling it. If you happen to have a copy you bought in the 90s, it's not illegal.

      Perhaps you have a better example of something that was genuinely banned?

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    13. Re:Mein Kampf by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2
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    14. Re:Mein Kampf by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 2

      The Wandering Jew by Eugene Sue is the most censored book. It is so censored that even a show about censored books does not mention it.

      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    15. Re:Mein Kampf by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      Mein Kampf is banned in many countries.

      Fom what I can find, sales are banned in the Neatherlands, would you care to mention the other countries in which sales are banned?

    16. Re:Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which partisan side *doesn't* claim to be "the good guys on every issue"?

    17. Re: Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you have to say about the banning of Maus in Mother Russia, my Putinist pal?

    18. Re: Mein Kampf by Gryle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Mein Kampf has been available in English since about 1933 in one translation or another. You're thinking of the German language publication. The copyright held by the state of Bavaria expired in 2016, which places the text in the public domain. A group of German academics got together and released a version with notaions to get ahead of neo-Nazi groups who might try and publish their own version for propaganda purposes. Wikipedia has more information.

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    19. Re:Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But it is the fact that 'progressives' such despicable tactics is precisely the issue, despite informing us that they are the good guys on every issue and only deplorable people would do otherwise.

      Incredible to think that the ACLU once sued for the rights of nazis to march in the streets. They were in favor of the First Amendment back then. How times have changed!

      Yeah I think I remember when they used to do that... Shit has it been that long since the last time they stepped up to defend the the free speech rights of Nazis? Damn, nearly sixty days. I miss the old days...

      https://theintercept.com/2017/08/13/the-misguided-attacks-on-aclu-for-defending-neo-nazis-free-speech-rights-in-charlottesville/

      Ya wanker.

      -Not British, I just think that's classier than douche.

    20. Re: Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "your Republicans"

      He's a Russian, dude.

    21. Re:Mein Kampf by Cytotoxic · · Score: 2

      Reading comprehension fail?

      The government seized the copyright and used it to prevent the availability of the book.

      That is a sideways approach to censorship, but it is straight up dictionary definition censorship - the government is preventing people from having access to a book.

    22. Re: Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well if they bought a president, the can probably buy up the rest of the party in a matter of time.

    23. Re:Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Given that Amazon sell it I'd say that that "extraordinary evidence" is going to be a little hard to come by...

      (GP apparently got a +1 completely incorrect mod though - sigh)

    24. Re:Mein Kampf by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      That's still not banning it though. Banning it suggests that ownership is illegal, that it is not allowed to be sold at all or imported.

      Merely owning the copyright and refusing to licences it does nothing to control copies already in existence, e.g. personal property or second hand copies for sale. They only stopped new copies being manufactured.

      FWIW some places did ban sales even of used Nazi memorabilia, although I think you were still allowed to own it. Not sure if that book was included.

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    25. Re:Mein Kampf by JDAustin · · Score: 1

      Just because the Nazi's were a hair to the right of the communists does not make them far-right.

    26. Re:Mein Kampf by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      It also shows that copyright abuse is a form of censorship.

      Interesting thought. So let say you inherited the copyright of a book (or movie, painting, song, whatever) with which you disagreed, or made a fool of yourself.
      By your logic, you should be forced to make it available (and possibly make money out of it) even if you don't want to? Otherwise you'd be doing copyright abuse?

    27. Re: Mein Kampf by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Gutenberg Australia has it here:
      http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks...

    28. Re:Mein Kampf by pnutjam · · Score: 3, Informative

      ACLU still protects the rights of Nazi's, along with everyone else. Free speech is not a privilege.

    29. Re:Mein Kampf by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Does not really make sense.
      Urheberrechte expire 90 years after the death of the creator.

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    30. Re:Mein Kampf by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      That's still not banning it though. Banning it suggests that ownership is illegal, that it is not allowed to be sold at all or imported.

      Nobody likes a pedant, you know.

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    31. Re:Mein Kampf by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1
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    32. Re:Mein Kampf by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Oh, 70 years only!
      My mistake.

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    33. Re: Mein Kampf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was a work for hire for the NSDAP which was banned at some point after the death of Hitler, so life of the corporation plus 70 would make it plausibly 2016 instead of 2015?

  5. What happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A best seller by Hillary Clinton that has yet to be banned. Get yours while they're still available!

  6. Maus by Art Spiegelman by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    I suspect it wasn't a case of Holocaust Deniers in power somewhere, and more likely just because of the nudity shown in certain frames.

    1. Re: Maus by Art Spiegelman by jandrese · · Score: 2

      According to the CLDF the challenge came from a patriotic Polish person who objected to the depiction of Poles.

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    2. Re: Maus by Art Spiegelman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      objected to the depiction of Poles.

      That's what SeaFox said. "...because of the nudity shown in certain frames"

  7. So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I'm willing to bet all those books are being banned by conservatives, you know, the same conservatives that elected a president that called for peacefully protesting football players to be fired.

    Again these scum show their hypocracy. Freedom of speech applies only to them. Not to liberals who call them for what they are: primitive slavers, racists, sexists, misogynists pigs.

    Go ahead, scumbags, mod me down to hell. But it won't change what you see in the mirror, it won't change what you'll see in your children's and grandchildren's eyes when they look down on you with disgust, thinking of the world you left them.

    1. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You might want to look at who's trying to censor speech these days. Shouting down speakers they disagree with, demanding web hosts take down customers they disagree with, demanding schools change their names, rewriting history in wikipedia, rewriting definitions in dictionaries, tearing down statues.

      It's only a matter of time before these so-called progressives start burning books. They'll claim the books were written by racists, or nazis, or whatever villain de jure they are using, and therefore it is all just and good.

    2. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      rewriting history

      I know, right? Ever since they tore down the statue of Robert E. Lee, I can't remember who won the Civil War.

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    3. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2

      Ever since they tore down the statues of Stalin, I can't remember who won World War II.

    4. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep: That's why smash-facing neo-Trotsky progressives at every opportunity is a great idea. Bust their chops, break some knee-caps ... kick thought-crime-pimping progressives into the gutter for nibberized pit-bullz to eat. Get creative with the physical pain. It's war, baby and the only rule of war is ... don't lose.

    5. Re: So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why so much hate, sunshine?

    6. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Is that the same liberals that wants to ban free speech when it disagrees with their "approved" belief set, that throws water bombs filled with urine or bottles filled with cement? Those liberals?

      Or the liberals who cheerfully destroy the careers of comic artists who commit the unpardonable din of drawing a sexualized image of a woman in the cover of a comic book?

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    7. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without statues, how can we know history? I remember fondly the forklift I used to carry my history statues around when I did my homework. Truly, this process must stop before someone tears down a statue of Newton and we lose our knowledge of gravity.

      And it's refreshing to find someone else that agrees that the free speech you agree with is much more important than the free speech of those who disagree. We should really stop those disagreeable sorts from being so loud, or talking to companies, or informing schools that their names are offensive or from writing on the internet. What's the name for that sort of process again?

      We conservatives need to step up our game, because, as you so deftly pointed out, with only a bit of ridiculous extrapolation, it's only a matter of time before the progressives catch up to, and possibly surpass us in banning books.

    8. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tearing down hundred year old statues is trashy, no matter how you try to spin it. It's not even in the same context as toppling contemporary statues of dictators after their reign is over.

    9. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You probably think Ulysses S. Grant was a great general and decent human being, don't you?

      He wasn't; in fact, Grant was a terrible person who flat out refused to free his personal slaves until years after the Civil War ended. Conversely, the 'rebel scum' Robert E. Lee voluntarily freed his slaves before the war's end, and in fact was an outspoken opponent of owning humans.

      But most people don't know those facts, because it's not in the history books they teach from.

      That's how history is re-written - by sins of omission.

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    10. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You probably think Ulysses S. Grant was a great general and decent human being, don't you?

      No, Grant was a horrible human being. And Lee was a traitor who fought to protect slavery while trying to assuage his guilt by freeing his own slaves.

      Whether or not we tear down their cheaply-made Jim Crow-era statues is not going to change history one bit. There are no statues of Hitler in Germany, but I'm pretty sure Germans know who he is and what he did.

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    11. Re:So much for american freedom of speech by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      ^ and this, kids, is how an American "liberal" responds to someone disagreeing with them.

      See? "Open minded", clearly.

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  8. Re:semite lubricity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virgin, huh?

  9. Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    All of this censorship is based on so-called Christian values and morals.

    Those of us who don't subscribe to that school of thought should be left alone to decide what we will or will not read.

    1. Re:Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, GNAA posts are shorter and funnier.

    2. Re:Christianity by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      11. These are fools that men adore; both their Gods & their men are fools.

      You make some very good points.

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    3. Re:Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Really? ALL about Christians?

      What about the attempts to censor depictions of Mohammed?

      What about the outcry at the use of Ganesh (Hindu god) to advertise meat, and the urging the censorship of such advertising?

      Maybe you only see the Christian censorship in your country?

    4. Re: Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tldr

    5. Re: Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes as much sense as the Bible. How would the world be if we'd had 2000 years of this instead?

    6. Re:Christianity by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      See my sig.

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    7. Re:Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not christian, and I think I should decide what I read, not the school.
      When I went to school we choose the books and the teachers only approved or disapproved.
      I don't think teachers should be assigning LGTBBQ propaganda to kids against the parents wishes.

    8. Re:Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're only describing multiple faces of the same coin. All the examples you cite have one thing in common: Religion. And yet, religious people of all denominations keep trying to polish that turd again and again and again.

      It would be hilariously funny if it wasn't so pathetic and destructive to humanity and civilization.

    9. Re: Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well now you're just being exclusionary to atheist tyrants. Organized groups of humans are the true problem.

  10. sp we can challenge the bible on the ground of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    extreme themes of violent vengenge murder rape, sexual deviancy etc and no worth as a work of fiction?

  11. Oh man by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Don't ever show these parents the mangas they have in Japan. They'll die from overexposure to nudity and sex the likes they've never seen before.

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    1. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah cuz Japan doesn't censor vaginas and penises on all porn anyways... oh wait! They do!
      The best part is when the chick's anus is uncensored right up till she sticks a finger in it...

    2. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK we have a dating program on Broadcast TV called "naked attraction" where all is visible and indeed commented on. Probably not going to be carried by ABC in USA.

    3. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it is voyeuristic shit that tries to hide the fact that it is intended solely to titillate by adding the thinnest veneer of being about 'psychology'. Basically the same bollocks (no pun intended) that they used when Big Brother first started - they soon ditched the psychology and just focused on being entertainment for idiots.

    4. Re: Oh man by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Title starts with "banned books" and then shifts to "most-censored"... Japan doesn't seem to ban sex and porn even though they have censor laws.

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    5. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "most banned" -- just try getting a comic book that depicts 10-yr-old school girls getting raped by alien tentacle monsters in the headmasters office anywhere but Japan. It's banned pretty much in the whole world. But these fake freedom fighters don't mean THAT kind of banned speech, only the council-approved kind. Fucking hypocrits.

    6. Re: Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... doesn't seem to ban sex and porn ...

      All hardcore porn is banned in Japan although japanese hardcore porn does exist. Sex is hidden in asian culture but it doesn't have the moral 'wrongness' that Christianity and Islam give it. While european countries and Japan allow sexual explicitness, japanese culture seems to separate sexual acts from sexuality: "I need a hot, wet vagina but I don't need you". I don't know the details of japanese morality but it seems women are judged less on their obedience to some good/bad girl standard.

  12. Let me guess, no conservative books made the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bet you won't find this one in many libraries.

  13. The only books we have are ones that were banned.. by Moridineas · · Score: 1

    The only books we have are ones that were banned by other schools. The kids have to learn about Tek War sooner or later....

  14. Trump by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unfortunately, no one has yet seen fit to add Trump: The Art of The Deal, nor any of Mr Orange's other fine examples of American literature, to their banned books lists. I guess he never even considered using the slogan, Make American Books Great Again, since he obviously had nothing to lend to that fight.

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    1. Re: Trump by bestweasel · · Score: 1

      Why read a book when you could be on Twitter? Books are for losers.

    2. Re:Trump by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      He didn't actually write that book, so I hope that the real author is at least getting paid.

      Trumpkins, if you still think he did write it, I suggest you compare the quality of his tweets to the quality of writing in that book.

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    3. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different medium -> different style. Your conclusion on the differences is not based in reality, despite the fact that I doubt that he wrote the book.

  15. Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The summary says most of the challenges are NOT about public libraries, but about school curriculum. One example being ELEMENTARY school having kids read about a transgender child.

    So yes, "appropriate for age group" is a very valid concern - there are certainly books that are available to adults, but we shouldn't force all third and fourth graders to read them.

    Multiple books on the list were about transgender children, presenting that as normal. It could well be argued that parents shouldn't be putting their children through multiple surgeries and heavy doses of unnatural hormones to turn a boy into a girl or vice versa, in the vast majority of cases. That's the kind of thing a person ought to decide for themselves, making an informed decision when they are an adult, some would say.

    One might reasonably think that having surgeries done on your little boy to turn him into a little girl may, in many cases, be child abuse, so forcing elementary school kids to read that is normal may not be appropriate.

    I don't care to argue for or against on any of these issues, but they are certainly issues on which reasonable people may disagree. On such issues, perhaps the government schools shouldn't be forcing this stuff on grade-school kids. If you want to teach your kids that it's normal to chop off a little boys penis, you can do that, but I don't see that you have a need or a right to force that on every other family.

    1. Re: Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shhh...you're making a valid point that is not very progressive. Who cares about what the parents want...remember that the village is always correct.

    2. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by CrybabiesArePeople · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I see your point, however, one can make the opposite argument: why should some narrow-minded parents restrict what is taught to my child, in school? And force a backwards world view? And just as the people "defending" the StormFront (daily Storm? whatever the "nazi website") used to argue here, I could use the following argument: First you censor transgender child stories, then it's same-sex marriage, then it's mixed race couples, then...

    3. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pardon my ignorance but I wasn't aware this was actually happening: young children going through transition surgeries. I get that children may identify as a gender other than their birth gender, dressing in different clothes or whatever. But I'd see surgery as being in a similar to cosmetic surgery: fine once you're old enough to make that kind of informed decision.

      Is this stuff actually happening? Or just part of the moral panic? I'd like to see links if you have any.

    4. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by gsslay · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A book can be about a transgendered child (which is 'normal'. It sometimes happens, therefore it is normal) and not about surgery or administered hormones. I doubt very much that any of these children's books discuss these things at that level.

      I'm unclear why reading about this unusual, but normal, state of affairs is going to traumatise a child. Or why having it in a book is considered 'forcing it on kids', any more than the subject matter of any other book they are obliged to read is 'forced' on them.

    5. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Transgender folks account for maybe 0.3% of the population.

      So it happens. Downs syndrome is about 0.015% - so about half as common. But it happens.

      So I suppose it depends on your definition of "normal".

      Teaching kids (and adults) to treat all people with respect and dignity is certainly laudable. And Transgender has certainly managed to become the new hot topic for social activism.

      But do we really need to specifically teach 4th graders about the issues faced by a little boy who feels that his body does not reflect his true gender identity? Is 0.3% the cutoff for teaching normalcy? Is every condition that differs from "average" in more than 0.03% of the population worthy of a specific teaching agenda?

      Homosexuality is more than 10x as prevalent, so obviously we gotta go with that. But what about people who are into fetishes? They are more common than you think:

      Here's a list from a recent study published in the "Journal of Sexual Medicine":

      Having sex with someone much younger: 18 percent women + 57 percent men
      Spanking or whipping someone "to obtain sexual pleasure": 24 percent women + 43.5 percent men
      Being spanked or whipped: 36 percent women + 28.5 percent men
      Being forced to have sex: 29 percent women + 31 percent men
      Having sex with a fetish or non-sexual object: 26 percent women + 28 percent men

      So all of these things are 100x more common than being transgender.

      And then there is this:

      Rare fantasies: Only two of the 55 sexual fantasies—sex with children and sex with animals—were found to be rare, occurring in less than 2.3 percent of the survey population.

      So sexual fantasies about animals is maybe 10x more common than Transgender. Should we teach that as "normal"?

      Maybe, I suppose. But do you teach that to a 5th grader?

      This isn't the no-brainer you think it is. Not every 5 year old that is suspected to be transgender actually turns out to be transgender. I know because we have one in our neighborhood. He was a boy until about 5. Then he was a girl for about 2 years, wearing dresses and changing his name. Now he's a boy again in the second grade.

      This stuff ain't simple.

    6. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The summary says most of the challenges are NOT about public libraries, but about school curriculum. One example being ELEMENTARY school having kids read about a transgender child.

      Oh no! The horrors! Next they're going to have books about burning people alive, home invasion, and poisoning!

      So yes, "appropriate for age group" is a very valid concern - there are certainly books that are available to adults, but we shouldn't force all third and fourth graders to read them.

      And your concern is entirely based on legitimate and substantive concerns, that is why your sole focus is entirely on the transgender issue. You do know you revealed yourself with that, right?

      Multiple books on the list were about transgender children, presenting that as normal. It could well be argued that parents shouldn't be putting their children through multiple surgeries and heavy doses of unnatural hormones to turn a boy into a girl or vice versa, in the vast majority of cases. That's the kind of thing a person ought to decide for themselves, making an informed decision when they are an adult, some would say.

      It could be pointed out to you that parents don't, it is doctors who perform surgeries and prescribe medications. And they've been doing it for years.

      One might reasonably think that having surgeries done on your little boy to turn him into a little girl may, in many cases, be child abuse, so forcing elementary school kids to read that is normal may not be appropriate.

      Yeah, like child abandonment, child exploitation, and child abduction. Oh wait, those are in books of fairy tales across the land, and you never raise an objection.

      Maybe you wouldn't look so much like a hypocrite feigning offense at an imaginary straw man book if you weren't one.

      I don't care to argue for or against on any of these issues, but they are certainly issues on which reasonable people may disagree.

      You are arguing, you just lack the moral courage to admit it.

      On such issues, perhaps the government schools shouldn't be forcing this stuff on grade-school kids. If you want to teach your kids that it's normal to chop off a little boys penis, you can do that, but I don't see that you have a need or a right to force that on every other family.

      Yeah, yeah, you act like it is a Lorena Bobbit situation, but ignore the real and valid issues of transgender surgery that do exist, and the protections that exist thereof.

      Or you know, we ignore all the bullying and harassment that develops because of your way of doing things, demanding that boys must be boys, and girls be girls.

    7. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1, Interesting

      (which is 'normal'. It sometimes happens, therefore it is normal)

      Rape sometimes happens, therefore rape is normal?

      Likewise mass murder?

      Or even travel to Luna?

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    8. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Very young transgender children don't have surgery or medication. That sort of thing doesn't start until they hit puberty, with surgery being when they are in their mid teens. By that point they are nearly adults, and in many places allowed to have sex and potentially procreate, so it would be kind of weird if they lacked medical autonomy,

      As for child abuse, for some reason we allow parents to cut bits of their male child's penis off for no medical reason. Seems like allowing a child to identify as what they consider their correct gender, wear appropriate clothes and the like is nothing compared to hacking bit off them before they can even express an opinion on the matter.

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    9. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transgender folks account for maybe 0.3% of the population.

      So it happens. Downs syndrome is about 0.015% - so about half as common. But it happens.

      And books about people with Downs Syndrome, blindness, deafness, should be...part of the curriculum too!

      So I suppose it depends on your definition of "normal".

      Teaching kids (and adults) to treat all people with respect and dignity is certainly laudable.

      Not according to some, who find that to be anathema.

      And Transgender has certainly managed to become the new hot topic for social activism.

      Nope, it's the hot topic for social reactionism. They LOVE freaking out about it. Regularly.

      Moral panic, is the phrase used above.

      But do we really need to specifically teach 4th graders about the issues faced by a little boy who feels that his body does not reflect his true gender identity?

      Wrong question, the argument being presented is that we need to not teach them, that's where the resistance lies.

      They don't want it taught. At all. It is anathema.

      Is 0.3% the cutoff for teaching normalcy? Is every condition that differs from "average" in more than 0.03% of the population worthy of a specific teaching agenda?

      Ah, somebody is trying to use hard statistics to justify their position.

      Won't work. I know somebody has probably convinced you that that is the way decision making goes on, but it isn't.

      The process is much more nuanced than that. A lot of it is the incidence of problems, for example.

      There have been studies.

      Homosexuality is more than 10x as prevalent, so obviously we gotta go with that. But what about people who are into fetishes?

      Feel free to convince somebody to fund your own study.

      Not every 5 year old that is suspected to be transgender actually turns out to be transgender. I know because we have one in our neighborhood. He was a boy until about 5. Then he was a girl for about 2 years, wearing dresses and changing his name. Now he's a boy again in the second grade.

      Maybe the issue is thinking that clothing and a name determines gender.

      That is a common problem. Children are told "That's not very manly" or "That's not very feminine" all the time.

      But you want to get into that, or focus on one thing at a time?

      This stuff ain't simple.

      And yet some people want a simple solution.

    10. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by bradley13 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      " It could well be argued that parents shouldn't be putting their children through multiple surgeries and heavy doses of unnatural hormones to turn a boy into a girl or vice versa, in the vast majority of cases."

      It could be argued that parents should not chop up their children and serve them up as supper. Jeeeesus.

      Any parent who would even consider such physical alterations on a child is nuts. At best, they are imposing their own psychological problems on an innocent child. At worst, they are simply abusers. Either way, they should immediately lose custody of their children.

      If a child has gender-identity problems - and that is a huge, to be quintuply checked "if", to be sure it isn't the parents who have the problems - then the treatment should be psychological. Teach them to live in the body they have. Attempts to physically alter the body from one gender to another are both crude and irreversible; the results are rarely satisfactory. The suicide rate among people who opt for the surgery are higher than for people who choose no surgery.

      As for TFA: Gender dysphoria should be handled in school exactly the same way that the school curriculum discusses other mental disorders. Put it in the same class that discusses depression, bipolarism, anorexia, etc.. That's probably first mentioned around the age of 11 or 12.

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    11. Re: Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A world view which promotes same sex relationships doesn't belong In school either, nor premarital sex. Mixed marriages are fine.

      You can shovel propaganda down your own kids throat, wiping it from their mind is much harder. Just like unfucking a kid put on hormone inhibitors. There is no symmetry there. School should stick to the common denominator.

    12. Re: Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Your way of doing things' also known as the social norm. People greet each other verbally when they encounter one another. That is a social norm. It is not imposed on people.

    13. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does happen and because the lgbqt lobby along with the medias sympathy for them is so strong now, negative stories are suppressed. In Australia recently, there was a 12 year old boy who started hormone therapy...at 14 he decided to stop. What did the hormone therapy do to him? We don't know because we havnt been allow to study the long term effects.

      To quote Camille Paglia (the original lesbian feminist) - giving hormone blocking drugs to children is a crime against humanity.

    14. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are given hormone suppressing drugs for which there are no long term studies on the impact of doing.

      And since you're lowering the age of consent for sex changes, why not sex?

    15. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In modern America, not endorsing forced unnecessary surgery on children is narrow-minded and backwards!

      If we don't allow parents to forcibly reassign the gender of their child, the racists will win!!1!

    16. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      The summary says most of the challenges are NOT about public libraries, but about school curriculum. One example being ELEMENTARY school having kids read about a transgender child.

      However, many of books in the ban list are ABOUT PUBLIC LIBRARIES. You are looking at only one link (with top 10 in 2016 ban books) and then conflate it to the whole list (a bigger list link or better yet here).

      Multiple books on the list were about transgender children, presenting that as normal.

      Hmm... Half of the top 10 ban list are about LGBTQ, and two of them are about transgender child. That's only from the "top banned in 2016" list. I don't disagree that these books shouldn't be read by children "alone" but rather being approved by their parents. However, you are conflating (again) the number of books about trangender children in order to support your bias.

      If you (and anyone) really want to check on banned books from public schools & libraries (mostly in Canada & USA), here is the list of those books in different years. Below, I listed what

      From the link:
      2015-2016 -- 2 out of 45 books (7 LGBTQ books)
      2014-2015 -- 0 out of 33 books (4 LGBTQ books)
      2013-2014 -- 0 out of 28 books (0 LGBTQ book)
      2012-2013 -- 0 out of 44 books (3 LGBTQ books)
      2011-2012 -- 0 out of 42 books (4 LGBTQ books)
      ... and so on ...

      It could well be argued that parents shouldn't be putting their children through multiple surgeries and heavy doses of unnatural hormones to turn a boy into a girl or vice versa, in the vast majority of cases. That's the kind of thing a person ought to decide for themselves, making an informed decision when they are an adult, some would say.

      I wouldn't go that far. You are making an assumption about what the content of the book is. You are making an assumption how transgender children become. If you haven't read the book, you have no right to assume about parents making/allowing the decision. It is similar to someone writing a review on a restaurant where the person has never been to before. The person is unqualified to write criticism about the restaurant.

      I don't care to argue for or against on any of these issues, but they are certainly issues on which reasonable people may disagree. On such issues, perhaps the government schools shouldn't be forcing this stuff on grade-school kids. If you want to teach your kids that it's normal to chop off a little boys penis, you can do that, but I don't see that you have a need or a right to force that on every other family.

      I agree that government should never force the kind of book reading on kids, but I disagree that you or a few people have the right to forbid others to read the book either (ban from public libraries). If you look at the list of banned book, you should at least see that this is NOT about public school ONLY but rather on the whole society in the sense of "family" or "children" relation.

      In conclusion, I agree on the part that no one should have the right to force or forbid on kids reading books. The decision should be on their parents. Thus, some books should be banned from public schools but no book should be banned from public libraries.

    17. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As many transgenders have pointed out to me, the enormous stress and pain they endured as teenagers could have been completely avoided if they had had the opportunity to pass puberty in their chosen "new" gender. Having to change afterwards is also vastly more problematic in terms of surgery, adaptation, hormones and so forth, not even mentioning the societal re-integration.
      Sure, I was skeptical at first that my nephew had already known at age SIX that he should have been a girl, but she's sure of that now and has excellent support in her transition.

      You sound reasonable, but you should be more careful how you frame your positions. Government schools shouldn't FORCE things one way or the other, they should permit and assist children to grow into the adults that THEY wish to be, not necessarily the ones that your historically "traditional" values might dictate.

      They are not your children - the are the children of the universe itself.

      Better to spend more time becoming a better me, than inflicting my prejudices, infatuations, limited education and shortcomings on my child.
      Some would call that "child abuse" too, I suppose, not making my child behave and believe like all the other "good little children".
      Each to their own ... I don't believe in your "normal" though - that's just projection.

    18. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by jbengt · · Score: 2

      That's the kind of thing a person ought to decide for themselves, making an informed decision when they are an adult, some would say.

      That sounds reasonable. But I saw a documentary about transgender people that included a 5-year old child with a penis who self-identified as a 'girl'. Her mother fought for years with the kid to dress the child as a boy and give him boy's toys, etc., but it was a huge struggle; the kid always wanted to dress as a girl and play with dolls, etc. Eventually the mom gave up. When the child was asked about those fights, she innocently said "I thought my mom knew I was a girl."
      That and that fact that a lot of people are born with more or less ambiguous genitals, often that requiring surgery either way, makes me think transgender people are a reality, and not just some twisted people with personality disorders.

    19. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are seeing the world backward, which is by design.

      Or I'm pulling the wool from your eyes, and you're scared of the world outside of the cave.

      The reason transgender became a political issue is because progressive think tanks decided it would be a useful issue. So they pushed it in city councils where progressives had control, not in order to improve the lives of transgender folk living in those cities, but to create a culture war. It was bait, nothing more.

      The reason transgenderism became a political issue is because conservatives, hearing that some cities were working to protect their transgender citizens, and not just ignoring, if not oppressing them, decided to react with their usual wanton hysteria and desire for control, manufacturing false claims and overall making a mountain out of a molehill.

      This is why Charlotte passed their regulations on public restrooms. Not because there was a burning issue with people being ostracized, attacked and arrested for using restrooms in Charlotte. There was no such issue, until they made it one.

      There was indeed an issue, it just didn't rise to the level of fires in the streets, and it had been pondered for over a decade, once, however, the city did something, the conservatives, known for their gerrymandering control of the state, decided to quash it, because heavens knows, local government MUST be suppressed. So they concocted the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act to express their ire.

      Just because you are on the right side of a moral issue, doesn't mean you are right.

      Just because you're screaming your head off, doesn't mean anybody should listen to you.

      They were cynical in their actions, intending to provoke a reaction from the social conservatives. They placed the bait all around the bible belt, and North Carolina republicans just happened to be the ones to take the bait.

      Oh? Who is they then?

      Make no mistake about it. You are one of the useful idiots Lenin used to talk about. The agenda isn't the agenda here. Political power is the agenda. Dividing people along these various cultural lines is the tool to get there. And you swallowed that lure, really hard.

      Bwahah, a massive political conspiracy, fostered through bathroom bills, and you attack me. No, I think it's rather simple, you pretend there is one, so you don't have to face the fact that the Republicans are really just a bunch of small-minded petty tyrants who want their way, and when it gets challenged throw temper tantrums about it.

      That you're so fervently certain about it, just makes me point out that...the attribution of the phrase "useful idiots" to Lenin is not exactly certain, and like many such concepts, may be more fantasy than reality.

    20. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by jbengt · · Score: 2

      In modern America, not endorsing forced unnecessary surgery on children is narrow-minded and backwards!

      Nobody, except maybe some horror-thriller movie character types, is forcing sex-assignment surgery on their child. It's usually the other way around, with the parents refusing to support their transgender children's decisions even after they reach adulthood.
      There are, however, a lot of infants (much less than 1%, but still a large absolute number) that receive genital surgery because of genital birth anomalies. That should probably not be done until the child is old enough to decide or unless the gender is otherwise absolutely clear - except where other health issues are involved.

    21. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by jbengt · · Score: 3, Informative

      It does happen and because the lgbqt lobby along with the medias sympathy for them is so strong now, negative stories are suppressed.

      No, the most common, but still under 1%, sexual surgery for children is for those born with genital anomalies. I'd wager that almost none of the doctors recommending that surgery and parents approving it were part of the LGBT community.

    22. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by jbengt · · Score: 1

      No, rape & mass murder don't happen, they are actions done by people. Being born as you are happens, you have no control over it, you don't do it.

    23. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people make such stupid arguments. Either everything is acceptable (i.e. sexual violence against the defensible...) or you have to draw the line somewhere. Yes it's ALWAYS difficult to draw that line, but that's the job of a civil society, to DRAW THAT LINE!

    24. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by mi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why should some narrow-minded parents restrict what is taught to my child, in school?

      Because you and those like you support the government's monopoly on children education. And now the same monopoly is creeping into higher education too:

      1. "Title IX" lets Federal government control, what can and can not be said by the students.
      2. The recently-introduced monopoly on college-loans allows the government to decide, at any moment, where the would-be students can (and can not) take spend tuition loans.
      3. Profit: thought the 1st Amendment is still, ostensibly, the law of the land, the government can already control, what the students — and their professors — are allowed to say. And teach... And read

      It happened to public schools years ago, it is happening to colleges right now.

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    25. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Yosho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A book can be about a transgendered child (which is 'normal'. It sometimes happens, therefore it is normal) and not about surgery or administered hormones.

      That is not what the word "normal" means. I understand what you're trying to say, but perhaps the word you're looking for is "natural." Something that is unusual is by definition not normal. I'm not placing any value judgment on it -- just because something isn't normal doesn't mean it's wrong or bad -- but when you use words like that in the wrong way, you're just going to attract the attention of people who object to your meaning but will insist on arguing with your semantics.

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    26. Re: Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In modern America, not endorsing forced unnecessary surgery on children is narrow-minded and backwards!

      Circumcision on healthy infants is certainly much more popular in the US than in more civilised regions, but I don't think it's very common to claim that those who oppose it would be narrowminded or backwards. What is usually claimed is that there are huge benefits in, which aren't really backed by medical research, that are for some reason claimed to be more important than the child's right to bodily integrity and self-determination.

    27. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see links if you have any.

      You'll get nothing but crickets if you're waiting for credible sources.

    28. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      It's not. At least not on any kind of a scale. Babies who are born with genital abnormalities are often operated on, which is a practice may people believe should be eliminated unless there's an actual health benefit. As far as I'm aware (and this comes up in my work occasionally), the practice in the US is not to perform gender reassignment surgery or hormone therapy on children under 16-18.

    29. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drug addicts and sadists are more common yet. Should they be "Normalized"?
      Should "Wishbone" do "50 Shades"?
      When you teach it in school, the kids are more likely to experiment.
      Should they experiment with drugs and BDSM? Should they experiment with alternative sex with some old AIDS patient?
      NAMBLA is looking for more acceptance too.

    30. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >The recently-introduced monopoly on college-loans [redstate.com] allows the government to decide, at any moment, where the would-be students can (and can not) take spend tuition loans.

      I really wish the government would use this power to eliminate gender and race studies programs. They are some of the most useless majors out there and are responsible for a lot of histrionics on college campuses and certain industries.

    31. Re: Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Sometime children are murderers. It happens. Would you call that normal?

      Keep in mind, I don't mind transfolk at all. It's not normal. It's acceptable, it's not normal. There's nothing wrong with teaching civility, but let's base it on the truth.

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    32. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      Or if you can't afford to buy him an obnoxiously loud Harley, he can learn to be bike curious at home at the least.

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    33. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by gsslay · · Score: 1

      You are attempting to equate someone's gender identity with another's sexual practices. Two entirely different things approached entirely differently.

    34. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by gsslay · · Score: 1

      I used the word 'normal' because it was the word used by the person I was replying to. 'Normal' is, of course, a loaded word that should be used with care. It has over-tones of defining what is acceptable. It was this I was addressing.

      Something that is unusual is by definition not normal.

      I would prefer to say that something that is unusual is, by definition, not usual.

    35. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by dywolf · · Score: 1

      All you've shown is that:
      1: you don't actually comprehend what Title 9 does
      2: you don't actually comprehend how FAFSA loans work
      3: you don't actually comprehend what that article is saying

      Par for the course regarding your comments.

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    36. Re:Summary: Mostly challenged school curriculum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many children don't conform to their assigned gender. Transgender children exist. Censoring information material for them makes it hard for them to survive, because if your environment doesn't acknowledge your needs as a non-gender-conforming kid, books can help you bridge the years until you can live your own life.

      Kids should never be forced to perform a gender that they don't feel. Whether hormone therapy or surgery before legal adulthood are a good decision is a separate question. There is no simple answer. The problem is that biological adulthood (puberty) happens long before legal adulthood and involves changes that are much harder to reverse than if you do it before puberty.

      > unnatural hormones
      AFAIK only natural hormones are used. And it's not like biological males and females are two different species. Our bodies use the same hormones, only at different levels.

      Of course hormone therapy and surgery shouldn't be forced on transgender kids. But I don't know of any case (except historical) where that is done without consent. Also there seems to be a double standard. Genital surgery is routinely done on children with "ambiguous" phenotype without their consent. Male genital surgery (circumcision) is routinely done without consent because of parents' superstitions.

  16. What they SHOULD censor by slashmydots · · Score: 0

    They should be censoring the SJW propaganda garbage that Marvel calls comic books right now. It's damaging to society and makes weak-minded people lose their touch with reality evidently.

    1. Re:What they SHOULD censor by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should be censoring the SJW propaganda garbage that Marvel calls comic books right now.

      Yeah, it's *unrealistic* that women have superpowers. Obviously only men do because of evolution.

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    2. Re:What they SHOULD censor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must say, your post is a truly brilliant example of satire as directed against the herd soldaten who've bought into the neocon terror campaign. Well done!

      After me:

      1, 2, 3...

      'Jews will not replace us!'

      'Jews will not replace us!'

      *waves delightfully fragrant tiki torch in quite a menacing fashion*

    3. Re: What they SHOULD censor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone foolish enough to seek reality in Marvel comic books is already beyond help.

    4. Re:What they SHOULD censor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they shouldn't. Censorship is bad, and in any case, Marvel sales are plummeting like a rock every month.
      There is no need to give them the extra publicity of censoring them.

    5. Re:What they SHOULD censor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But a group of black super heroes shouldn't be talking about the crackers who are moving into harlem.

    6. Re:What they SHOULD censor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I think I'm the smartest man in the room ... dammit! A woman walks in and makes me look like an idiot. :P

  17. Fascist scum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever wanted to ban Sandman or Watchman should be shot for crime against humanity,

  18. Barefoot Gen is extraordinarily graphic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if the movie is any indication. It shows detailed death scenes of of people dying from the atom bomb explosion as well as the protagonist's family burning alive in a house fire.

    I would be a little cautious before putting it in any below high school library.

  19. One conversation that made me think by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Girl: Granny, were you aloud to stay out after 9:00 when you were 15

    Granny: Yes. In fact when I was on late shift in the mill I finished at 9 and by the time I's walked home it was 9:30.

  20. More self-serving bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These books aren't banned. You can buy them in every state in the union. This is just a ploy for the SJWs in the library cliques to shake down the public for more money and attention. They don't like to have any "community involvement" that doesn't correspond to their narrow set of SJW prejudices and must constantly lobby to get their way over the ignorant plebs.

  21. Big Blue Cock by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Watchmen was obviously banned for its big blue cock, which was brought to attention by the movie, where it seemed a million times more gratuitous than in the comic

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
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  23. Great reading by thunderclees · · Score: 2

    I can recall when 1987 at the great liberal institution on SUNY New Paltz they banned Uncle Toms Cable and Huckleberry Finn because they were considered offensive.

  24. NEWSFLASH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many Americans are wilfully ignorant and god damned if they're going to let some upitty LIBERUL teach their children about reality.

  25. Je suis Charlie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo#/media/File:Charliehebdo.jpg

    The worst kind of censorship.

  26. Generally agree. Budget and space limitations by raymorris · · Score: 2

    > In conclusion, I agree on the part that no one should have the right to force or forbid on kids reading books. The decision should be on their parents. Thus, some books should be banned from public schools but no book should be banned from public libraries.

    I agree, in general. Adults can generally decide for themselves what they want to do, including what they want to read. That's entirely different from what they force all children to do and to read.

    I also know the public library, which we all pay for, has a certain budget and a certain amount of space, so they can get X number of new books each year. Though we're all paying for the books, only one or two or perhaps three people choose the books we buy for our public library. I'm sure that group time to time the person choosing the books picks mostly books pushing their favored political idealogy and world-view. That should be resisted.

    You can certainly imagine someone saying "wait a minute, our library can't afford an unabridged dictionary, but can afford four copies of each of Trump's 19 books? Or no new science books, but a dozen new books about transgender children? One might reasonably challenge some of the Trump books, or the transgender kids books, as being less essential / less appropriate than other options that would otherwise be purchased with that money. That's a fundamental difficulty in American politics and culture - about half the population says "this sounds good, so we should do it", forgetting that means spending our resources there INSTEAD OF somewhere else. About half of us just don't "get it" that resources or limited, no matter what the topic, so the argument isn't "this might be okay, we should do it", we need to be able to say "this is the very best possible use of available resources, so we should do this rather than spending the money on anything else."

    1. Re:Generally agree. Budget and space limitations by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I think most librarians and bibliophiles would find that suggestion offensive. Literature from opposing viewpoints is important.

    2. Re:Generally agree. Budget and space limitations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though we're all paying for the books, only one or two or perhaps three people choose the books we buy for our public library. I'm sure that group time to time the person choosing the books picks mostly books pushing their favored political idealogy and world-view. That should be resisted.

      I don't know about where you are, but the public library book selection committee here has over a dozen members, with regular submitting from over fifty more.

      Maybe instead of bickering on Slashdot over imaginary problems, you should talk to whoever is charge of your public libraries about a better system. If it is a real problem. I doubt it is real though.

      That's a fundamental difficulty in American politics and culture - about half the population says "this sounds good, so we should do it", forgetting that means spending our resources there INSTEAD OF somewhere else.About half of us just don't "get it" that resources or limited, no matter what the topic, so the argument isn't "this might be okay, we should do it", we need to be able to say "this is the very best possible use of available resources, so we should do this rather than spending the money on anything else."

      Nope, that's actually a lie. Nobody forgets that. Rather, they're obsessed with the spending. Instead, the problem is an entrench resistance to any spending at all, except what they want. Sometimes the argument is "I don't care what it is, or how beneficial it will be, I don't want to have to pay for it." as the mayor of my town went through. Everything was tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, "why do we have to pay for anything anyway? It should just be done!" and that was that.

      It was a program of austerity, not the best possible use of available resources, but the least possible use of available resources, no matter what the cost.

      You don't seem to be in touch with America, Raymorris, it's actually operating under a very different paradigm.

      Maybe your world-view is backwards.

  27. I don't want to know 500 pages in.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never want to find out that a book is not to my tasks 500 pages in. Just put it on the cover what might be offensive to me or others and we can decide before I read it that it is trash.

  28. protected from being forced... by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    I think there is a major difference between preventing your kinds from reading something and standing up for your kids right to NOT read something they don't want.
    On the college level, when parents get involved , from my experience it is almost always the latter. I young adult is in a class and being told you will read XYZ or I will fail you. The young person reaches out to parents for help because they consider XYZ to be , offensive, demeaning, demoralizing, prejudice , or in some other way immoral, and do not want to read it or participate in discussion about it. Especially when they point out repeatedly to the professor how they feel about the work and why are then demeaned and persecuted for being , prudish, old fashioned, or not worldly enough, or prejudiced.

    I saw this happen to more then one of my friends in various classes in college, and near as I can tell it is only getting worse. If you are someone who doesn't agree with the morality taught at the 'secular' university then you can be expected to be persecuted by the teachers for disagreing or debating them , especially about literature.

    As the article points out, 'what's wrong with reading explicit sex scenes?'. If you don't understand the question you are probably part of the problem.

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    âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
  29. Re:protected from being forced... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Reaching out to your parents about having to read an assigned book in college... that's just absurd. If you don't have the intellectual fortitude to hold up and examine a piece of literature, I guess there's trade school.

  30. Balance is important. 100% ALA donations to Democr by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > I think most librarians and bibliophiles would find that suggestion offensive.

    I've suggested that library funds ought NOT be used entirely to push a particular political agenda, that perhaps a library should buy an unabridged dictionary before it buys dozens of "transgender children" books. I'm sure that idea, that basic English is more important than their political ideology, offends some people, but I don't think MOST.

    I also suggested that basic science books may, in some cases, be more important than having even more copies of each of Trump's books.

    > Literature from opposing viewpoints is important.

    Opposing what? 100% of Library Association leadership who donated in 2016 donated to Democrats only. ALA leaders think opposing Trump is important, important enough to spend their own money on. Assuming they are human, their biases will affect their ideas of which advocacy works are good and should be purchased for the library. They'd not be human if they weren't affected by their own bias.

    Personally, I think that when presenting one side of a contentious issue, the other side should also be presented as well - "some people think this, other people think that". Even more important for a school or public library, I think, is the basic, non-contentious science, math etc which can be used to evaluate ALL arguments. I would start with reference works such as dictionaries, almanacs, an atlas etc, before getting into opinion pieces or advocacy works which should reference those reference works. For example, a reader can't make an informed evaluation of how a tax cut or tax increase may affect the federal budget unless they first know what mandatory spending and discretionary spending are. The school or library should have material for people to find out what the federal budget currently is, and how it's created and analyzed, before buying more stuff advocating what someone thinks the budget should be.

    To be informed a issues relating to "transgender children", rather than merely progandized, it would be of great help to have books for people to learn about what chromosomes are, what hormones are and how they affect our bodies, etc.

    In other words, I think government, both government schools and government-funded libraries, should seek FIRST to inform, before they advocate. Someone who has read about chemistry and other sciences can make up their mind about acid rain, presenting a lot of stuff about acid rain while refusing to stock chemistry books is propagandizing people, not educating them.

      Additionally, advocacy groups already do a pretty good job of getting their message out. The tax payer doesn't need to be assisting the NRA and the MoveOn as much as we need to be helping people get informed on the objective facts, in my opinion. So when we're at the bottom of the list, we can afford one more book, I'd prefer a fact-based book about actual historic events over anything put out by either MoveOn or the NRA. The advocates can fight it out on CNN and Fox, in my opinion.

  31. Re:protected from being forced... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    I don't think you have a right to refuse to read the assigned material in a collegiate course. It'd be like creationists demanding biology degrees while refusing to read the material. And if the students resort to calling in their parents in college that's almost reason enough to kick them out of the course right there...

  32. Re:Balance is important. 100% ALA donations to Dem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've suggested that library funds ought NOT be used entirely to push a particular political agenda, that perhaps a library should buy an unabridged dictionary before it buys dozens of "transgender children" books. I'm sure that idea, that basic English is more important than their political ideology, offends some people, but I don't think MOST.

    You made up an entirely facetious assertion with no particular basis in reality, or in other words, you concocted a strawman.

    It was kinda obvious, maybe your public library should invest in a book to help you be more honest.

    Even more important for a school or public library, I think, is the basic, non-contentious science, math etc which can be used to evaluate ALL arguments. I would start with reference works such as dictionaries, almanacs, an atlas etc, before getting into opinion pieces or advocacy works which should reference those reference works.

    Is your library missing that content? Mine isn't.

    For example, a reader can't make an informed evaluation of how a tax cut or tax increase may affect the federal budget unless they first know what mandatory spending and discretionary spending are.

    Oh, sorry, the GOP isn't letting the CBO work anymore.

    The school or library should have material for people to find out what the federal budget currently is, and how it's created and analyzed, before buying more stuff advocating what someone thinks the budget should be.

    Why?

    To be informed a issues relating to "transgender children", rather than merely progandized, it would be of great help to have books for people to learn about what chromosomes are, what hormones are and how they affect our bodies, etc.

    Chromosomes are actually of relatively little importance, it turns out, maybe you should be informed rather than propagandized.

    In other words, I think government, both government schools and government-funded libraries, should seek FIRST to inform, before they advocate.

    But only the things you want them to know.

    Someone who has read about chemistry and other sciences can make up their mind about acid rain, presenting a lot of stuff about acid rain while refusing to stock chemistry books is propagandizing people, not educating them.

    Sure man, because not informing them about the science of acid rain isn't propaganda.

    Additionally, advocacy groups already do a pretty good job of getting their message out. The tax payer doesn't need to be assisting the NRA and the MoveOn as much as we need to be helping people get informed on the objective facts, in my opinion. So when we're at the bottom of the list, we can afford one more book, I'd prefer a fact-based book about actual historic events over anything put out by either MoveOn or the NRA. The advocates can fight it out on CNN and Fox, in my opinion.

    LOL as well demonstrated by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, history books are the worst way to inform people based on objective facts, because it's so easy to state truthst hat mislead.

    I'd prefer an open and honest advocacy, rather than somebody pretending to be otherwise.

  33. Re:Balance is important. 100% ALA donations to Dem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be informed a issues relating to "transgender children", rather than merely progandized, it would be of great help to have books for people to learn about what chromosomes are, what hormones are and how they affect our bodies, etc.

    Do you really think kids don't learn this in middle school? Or do you really mean you want them to read books that say 'no trannies cuz chromosomes!' instead?

  34. Misleading Liberal Press by bongey · · Score: 1

    Newsweek misleads by giving examples of common books like Harry Potter and Moby Dick being banned or criticized in the past. The actual poster from the group leading the banned books list , NONE of Newsweek's examples are there, NOT a SINGLE ONE. Here is there poster of ACTUAL books they are complaining about being 'banned', I would lump them in as religious text of the left http://www.oif.ala.org/oif/wp-... .

  35. Identity is IN YOUR MIND not your biology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Identity disorders are not that difficult and it is a sorry state of affairs that politics has gotten so much traction to censor and edit the simple science of identity disorders to the point where we can't treat gender identity disorders as the mental illness they are!

    It is idiotic to lump LBGT together and the other letters they are trying to add as well... Trans are not the same, it's purely a mental condition.

    A tomboy is now being pressured to change gender as if their social identity is somehow WRONG and in need of correction. That ranges from healthy differences in social group identities in a spectrum into sick extremes where one demands that their mind was placed in the wrong body.... and a consumer culture & for-profit (or just for-job) health industry is there to help you waste money on the wrong solutions to your issues.

    This is no different in the middle spectrum than somebody thinking they have a "beautiful" mind which was placed into a fat ugly body--- therefore we should support them getting their body remade to look like society's expectations which they BELIEVE are their own.

  36. Re:protected from being forced... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    I saw this happen to more then one of my friends in various classes in college, and near as I can tell it is only getting worse. If you are someone who doesn't agree with the morality taught at the 'secular' university then you can be expected to be persecuted by the teachers for disagreing or debating them , especially about literature.

    Yeah, and...? If your friends don't want to read certain material, they should be reading the syllabus for the class and dropping the class if it contains material they don't want to read. If you signed up for the course and want credit for the course, you do the work required by the course. That's how it is. Don't like it? Don't take the course.

    Or, they could be adults, and read the material. If their worldview is so very fragile that exposure to objectionable material could shatter it, maybe they're the ones with the problem.

    But of course neither of those solutions is preferred, is it? The whole point is to take the course, demand special treatment, not get it, and conclude the world is out to get you and your friends, and you're therefore a persecuted minority who must double down on your beliefs in order to hold out against the world. Yes, we're familiar with the techniques. They're commonly used by cults to isolate victims from society.

  37. Thank you for the CLBF link ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I now have a checklist of books to order from Amazon and other outlets. Gotta get my "Banned" collection current!

    Only missing a few from the list as it is and they sound like fascinating books.

    http://cbldf.org/banned-challenged-comics/