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Apple Recommends Children Under 13, Twins and Siblings Do Not Use Face ID On iPhone X (theguardian.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the say-cheese dept.

According to a security guide published Wednesday, Apple recommends that children under the age of 13 do not use Face ID on the iPhone X due to the probability of a false match being significantly higher for young children. The company said this was because "their distinct facial features may not have fully developed." They also recommend that twins and siblings do not use the new feature. The Guardian reports: In all those situations, the company recommends concerned users disable Face ID and use a passcode instead. With Face ID, Apple has implemented a secondary system that exclusively looks out for attempts to fool the technology. Both the authentication and spoofing defense are based on machine learning, but while the former is trained to identify individuals from their faces, the latter is used to look for telltale signs of cheating. "An additional neural network that's trained to spot and resist spoofing defends against attempts to unlock your phone with photos or masks," the company says. If a completely perfect mask is made, which fools the identification neural network, the defensive system will still notice -- just like a human.

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  1. -1 Redundant by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

    Do they really need to specify both twins and siblings?

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    1. Re:-1 Redundant by thegreatbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Might have been better worded like "siblings, especially twins, ..."

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  2. siblings? by fred6666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like most people on Earth?

    1. Re:siblings? by will_die · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple did specify "siblings that look like you", it was the guardian in their normal high level of professionalism that decided to make it look like Apple was stupid by ignoring the rest.

    2. Re:siblings? by houghi · · Score: 2

      That is still a huge percentage. Basically they say "Do not use it if you look like somebody else" sounds like "You are holding it wrong".

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  3. Re:The loss of touch ID is a fatal flaw by jblues · · Score: 3, Informative

    Too many compromises, too many security holes.

    Apple promote Touch ID has having 1 in 50,000 chance of false positive, while Face ID is 1 in 1,000,000

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  4. Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit by sexconker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's all bullshit. Whatshisfuck stood on stage and claimed that it was orders of magnitude more secure and reliable than TouchID. What happened?

    If a completely perfect mask is made, which fools the identification neural network, the defensive system will still notice -- just like a human.

    Nope. If a "perfect" mask is made, the defensive system won't notice. And neither will a human. And if a "good" mask is made, the defensive system won't notice, but a human will.

    Your system isn't usable for children under 13 because "their distinct facial features may not have fully developed"? Bullshit. It isn't usable because it doesn't work well. 12 year olds have faces as distinct as any other human face, far more distinct than a fingerprint, etc. You are using a high res 3D ("depth sensing") camera, thousands of points of detection, etc., etc., right?

    If you can't distinguish 2 faces your shit is broken.
    If you can't recognize 1 face as being the same your shit is broken.
    If you can't walk the line between false positives and false negatives, you lie and dream up some shit about a defensive mechanism that's always working even when Face ID isn't working right, or Face ID not working because your faces haven't aged to distinction yet.

    Bullllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

    1. Re:Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit by burtosis · · Score: 2

      It's all bullshit. Whatshisfuck stood on stage and claimed that it was orders of magnitude more secure and reliable than TouchID. What happened?

      What happened is 1 or more people looked at the phone in its locked state backstage and it rolled over to passcode only, it was actually a good demo of how secure it is.

      Nope. If a "perfect" mask is made, the defensive system won't notice. And neither will a human. And if a "good" mask is made, the defensive system won't notice, but a human will.

      while getting a perfect 3-d scan of the persons face and making a 3-d printed model may work - on the other hand, pun intended, lifting a fingerprint from anywhere and using it to unlock an iphone touch sensor is trivially easy, children have defeated it by touching it against their sleeping parents hand. Cops can force you to touch unlock your phone too. But the facial recognition wont work with your eyes closed or your face scrunched up or if someone else looks at your phone. So in reality it is a far more secure system, even if it goes over to passcode more often than the finger sensor.

  5. Re:The loss of touch ID is a fatal flaw by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Apple promote Touch ID has having 1 in 50,000 chance of false positive, while Face ID is 1 in 1,000,000

    For sufficiently loose definitions of 1 in 1,000,000, apparently.

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