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Amazon's Echo Spot Is a Sneaky Way To Get a Camera Into Your Bedroom (theverge.com)

Yesterday, Amazon announced six new hardware products at a surprise event in Seattle. The one that everyone is talking about though is called the Echo Spot -- a little alarm clock with a camera that will probably be pointing directly at your bed. "While all the focus is on what the Echo Spot looks like, it's important to remember that Amazon is using the Spot as a very clever way of making you comfortable with having a camera in your bedroom," reports The Verge. From the report: Amazon launched its Echo Look camera earlier this year to judge your outfits. It's designed to sit in your wardrobe and offer you style advice, and it was Amazon's first Echo device with a camera. Amazon quickly followed it up with the Echo Show, a touchscreen device that sits in your kitchen and lets you watch tutorials or recipes and participate in video calls. Amazon's Look device is still only available exclusively by invitation, and in hindsight it now looks like experimental hardware to gauge the reaction of a camera in the bedroom. A litmus test, if you will. Echo Spot feels like the real push to get cameras inside your smart home. It's more than just an alarm clock, but Amazon is definitely pushing this as a $130 device that will sit next to your bed. Promotional materials show it sitting on nightstands, providing a selection of clock faces and news / weather information. The privacy concerns are obvious: an always-listening (for a keyword) microphone in your bedroom, and a camera pointing at your bed.

155 comments

  1. Well, fuck. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a little alarm clock with a camera that will probably be pointing directly at your bed.

    WOW! Quite the salacious dirty (wink, wink, nod, nod...) thing to suggest, I'm getting hot just thinking about it. I'm not sure why it would "probably" be pointed at my bed. Am I positioning it that way? Can the device re-position its eye as its masters at Amazon direct it? Is the suggestion that Amazon is interested in capturing pictures of me fucking? And why? Are they going to try to monetized fuck videos of me? Are they going to analyze my fucking technique and try to sell me self-help books and videos? Are they going to suggest that I and my mate might look better fucking on a certain bedspreads and zillion-thread-count Egyptian cotton sheets? Because the way the suggestion is presented, clearly the author of the Verge article thinks Amazon has some sort of interest in watching me fuck.

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    1. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this is a really weird piece.

      Everyone knows if there is a camera they put in a room, they can position it however they want, surely?

    2. Re:Well, fuck. by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Mmmm. Creepy Cameras-- just the thing that took Google Glass and pushed it into The Dead Pool of bad thoughts in consumer electronics devices....

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    3. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I look forward to hacking your daughter's alarm clock and jacking off to the nightly strip show.

    4. Re: Well, fuck. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

      I look forward to hacking your daughter's alarm clock and jacking off to the nightly strip show.

      My daughter was born without a vagina, you insensitive clod.

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    5. Re:Well, fuck. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1, Troll

      You're right. No one would ever be upset about their sexual exploits being made public. Certainly no one would fund Hulk Hogan to try to take down Gawker as revenge. And IoT devices have such a reputation for security.

      To say nothing of the fact that while the company itself mught not give a shit, it might be something the employees of said company do.

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    6. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's probably a fetish for that...

    7. Re: Well, fuck. by Known+Nutter · · Score: 2

      Doesn't mean she can't strip...

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    8. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you close your curtains/blinds at night? If so, why aren't you concerned about having a surveillance camera in your bedroom?

    9. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hum, so that itâ(TM)s dark and so easier to fall asleep?

    10. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jared Kushner ain't telling.

    11. Re:Well, fuck. by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      It's called security, how secure will the device be, when hacked what will be uploaded to the internet. Do you trust Amazon with your future career, this on a $130 device with a 90 day warranty and if porn goes up of you and your partner what will be the warranty payout when you are fired, maximum $130. You say all sorts of crap in the bedroom, want that broadcast to your employer or even more fun, you children's friend sharing it in school because kids, you know they will do it too each other and of course do it to you. How about if a grounded child decided to get revenge. Good luck with that.

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    12. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      well, the joke is on Amazon...cause mine is going in the bathroom.

    13. Re: Well, fuck. by magarity · · Score: 1

      I look forward to hacking your daughter's alarm clock and jacking off to the nightly strip show.

      My daughter was born without a vagina, you insensitive clod.

      He might just have a fetish for watching her change her ostomy bag?

    14. Re:Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Are they going to try to monetized fuck videos of me?

      Not of you, no. Your mother, well, we already have decades of hers. I even have the 8mm from her first appearance.

    15. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cause of course that is where women pee...

    16. Re:Well, fuck. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Not of you, no. Your mother, well, we already have decades of hers. I even have the 8mm from her first appearance.

      That's great! She's lost her copies and has been looking on the Internet and the Usenet groups dedicated towards dried up filthy whores who have fucked more living and dead things than Madonna... So, SWEET! Private message me, please!

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    17. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anatomy fail

    18. Re: Well, fuck. by Cryacin · · Score: 2

      I can see you are having hardware issues. Can I suggest some v1@gra pills from the prince of nigeria?

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    19. Re:Well, fuck. by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      ...a little alarm clock with a camera that will probably be pointing directly at your bed.

      I'm not sure why it would "probably" be pointed at my bed. Am I positioning it that way?

      Well, I'd imagine you want to see the time from your bed, and I'd also imagine this camera isn't on a swivel. As for the rest of it, why the fuck indeed. Why does an alarm clock need a camera and why would any one want this?

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    20. Re:Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I even have the 8mm from her first appearance.

      Awww. Did it not get any bigger despite all the money that you spent on enlargement pumps and medication? Never mind - move to Japan (land of the micropenis) and become a star!

    21. Re: Well, fuck. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Yes, they want pictures of you fucking and pictures of unicorns due to the high value imbued by the rarity.

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    22. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful what you wish for...douchébag

    23. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also a huge market for boner pills in China. They allow their superstitions there to create a gigantic market for rare slaughtered animal parts. Middle aged Chinese men who can't keep a boner up are a huge opportunity for profit!

    24. Re:Well, fuck. by coofercat · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on this one - No company or organisation has ever lost any data to persons-unknown on the Internet, so whatever recordings or videos they happen to make, intentionally or otherwise are completely safe. Thinking about it, no company has ever been found using 'production data' for testing purposes, or just 'employee browsing' either. Yep, double-safe. Where do I sign up?

    25. Re: Well, fuck. by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows if there is a camera they put in a room, they can position it however they want, surely?

      Well of course. They can also position the face of the clock however they want. Most people, though, will want to to position it so they can see it from the bed, and if the camera is coaxial with the clock, then the camera will be pointed at the bed. See how that works?

      Also, don't call me Shirley.

    26. Re:Well, fuck. by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      and I'd also imagine this camera isn't on a swivel.

      I don't either. I imagine it being a 360 degree camera or a good approximation.

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    27. Re:Well, fuck. by memojuez · · Score: 1

      Hmm... not just you but it appears that Amazon now wants to corner the market on amateur pr0n live streams. It'll be an Amazon Prime Add-On ( like their $6.99/mo. Anime Strike channel.)

      Amazon truly wants be the King of Online Entertainment Content.

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    28. Re:Well, fuck. by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why it would "probably" be pointed at my bed.

      Because the camera is on the same face as the clock.
      Most people face the clock towards the bed so they can read it.

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    29. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's probably a fetish for that...

      There's probably a felon for that.

    30. Re:Well, fuck. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're right. No one would ever be upset about their sexual exploits being made public.

      Too bad for Amazon (and their would-be hackers)... I'm married... nothing to see here.

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    31. Re:Well, fuck. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Brings to mind the old "what's worse than finding a worm in your apple" joke. What's worse than the hackers finding nothing happening on your bedroom webcam? You being one of the hackers who sees something happening. (Or better infidelity based punchline.)

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    32. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do they care if I fuck my niece?

    33. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule 34

    34. Re: Well, fuck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if she's hot.

  2. child sex offender laws by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    child sex offender laws what will amazon do so that any thing near that comes on to there network?

    1. Re:child sex offender laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      lube at every monitoring station?

    2. Re:child sex offender laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      child sex offender laws what will amazon do so that any thing near that comes on to there network?

      Serious question: Did you have a stroke while writing that word salad of a comment?

    3. Re:child sex offender laws by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 2

      Fucksake learn to spell! It's their network, which is over there in that country.

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    4. Re:child sex offender laws by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Tasteless AND funny - good job!

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    5. Re:child sex offender laws by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not his first time either.

  3. Already have that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't it the same thing when people have their cell phones on and having it in their bedroom as an alarm clock? This is becoming way out of hand. More devices, always-on microphones and cameras.

    Multiple devices = multi-camera angles!! Great.

    1. Re:Already have that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mobile Phone wallet with an elastic band over the front camera.

    2. Re:Already have that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think there's a market for a cellphone box that blocks the camera, feeds white noise to the microphone, and lets the alarm sound go through, then please go build that box and sell it.

    3. Re:Already have that by guruevi · · Score: 1

      In most cases the camera will either point up at a ceiling or point down at some surface. Your cell phone also has an incentive not to spy on you - power consumption would make it unmarketable.

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    4. Re:Already have that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no market for democracy and freedom. :(

    5. Re: Already have that by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      No, because one camera is face down and the other is pointing at the ceiling. I mean seriously, investing any thought at all would have kept you from posting that.

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    6. Re: Already have that by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      When iPhones phones start coming with 360 degree panoramic optics.... what then?

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    7. Re: Already have that by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      When iPhones phones start coming with 360 degree panoramic optics.... what then?

      We'll cross that bridge when we come to it?

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    8. Re: Already have that by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Learn how a panarm is created and you'll realize that was a ridiculous question. The camera lenses aren't made with magic pixie dust. They don't suck in photons as they pass overhead. They can't see around corners. Unless your table holds the phone up and spins 360Â you'll be fine.

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    9. Re: Already have that by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 8s comes with a built in singularity that sucks in passing photons. I read it on BGR.

    10. Re: Already have that by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Wow you are completely ignorant of modern technology.

      ....but amazingly you have the integrity to act like you know something.

      You can buy 360 degree panorama cameras OFF THE FUCKING SHELF at big box stores these days. For example, at Best Buy you ignorant dishonest pretending fuck.

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    11. Re: Already have that by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      You are a fucking clueless bafoon. Again, do some research and think for a while and you will realize HOW fucking stupid and clueless you actually are.

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  4. already true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People already carry devices with video cameras and mics and put them on their bedstands and take them into the bathroom with them.

    1. Re:already true by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Won't someone PLEASE think of the NSA agents that have to see and hear all of that?

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    2. Re:already true by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      if kids have these things we can have the NSA arrested for child porn

    3. Re:already true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you think they masturbate to all day?

    4. Re:already true by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      So that's what they mean when they say "it's for the children".

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    5. Re:already true by blindseer · · Score: 2

      A cell phone is not typically put in a place where it can get a good picture of anything. If in a pocket the cell phone won't see much. If on a flat surface, like a bedside table or bathroom vanity, the camera is going to be facing up into the ceiling or down into the surface. I know that there are people that prop up a cell phone so that it can be used as an alarm clock or to stream video but this is not typical behavior.

      The Echo Spot will be a target for getting video of bedrooms because it's primary function requires that it be place in a manner to get a good picture of people. A cell phone might be placed in a drawer at night, or left in another room, or whatever. Certainly a cell phone has the possibility for privacy invasions but this is something new.

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    6. Re:already true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A cell phone is not typically put in a place where it can get a good picture of anything.

      Hell, people trying to take pictures with a cell phone can't get a good picture of anything.

    7. Re:already true by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, if you think of the children all the time, it's likely you're a pedo.

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  5. I'm comfortable with a camera in my bedroom by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most people who get to see the resulting movies aren't, though.

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  6. Missed Naming Opportunity by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Instead of "Echo", they could have called it "E-Spot".

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    1. Re: Missed Naming Opportunity by sound+vision · · Score: 3, Funny

      My room is the eSpot
      Call me Mr Flintstone, I can make your bed rock

    2. Re:Missed Naming Opportunity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Echo Spot or E-Spot is watching while you are Fucking and getting you G-Spot stimulated. Look, it's alphabetical!

  7. If you're buying this crap, you deserve it by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow, how stupid have people gotten? You cant even trust companies iwth your SSN, you're going to leave these devices in your homes?

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    1. Re:If you're buying this crap, you deserve it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even worse, in the throes of passion I normally yell out my social security number, in Spanish! Sofia thinks I'm describing what I'm doing to her, it just turns her on even more!!

  8. Re:There is one solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or travel slightly forward in time and do it now

  9. bedroom sex by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    how quaint

  10. Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    I'm not sure why it would "probably" be pointed at my bed. Am I positioning it that way?

    I don't know, do you purposefully position clocks so you cannot rad them?

    I assure you most people who bother to put a clock in the bedroom would rather be able to read it from the bed, than not. To them this is a kind of clock, among many other things.

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    1. Re:Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      I don't know, do you purposefully position clocks so you cannot rad them?

      Yes, I do actually. I can't stand the light from them and reach over to turn it to look if I care what time it is. I don't care what time is it when I'm asleep, I just want it to wake me up in the morning.

    2. Re: Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought some dark sticky cling sheets that can go on the front of your clock. It really darkens them up. With two layers on my clock, I can finally rest. You can't read the clock when the lights are on, but that's fine with me. If you're having trouble, you should give something like that a try.

    3. Re: Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought some dark sticky cling sheets that can go on the front of your clock. It really darkens them up. With two layers on my clock, I can finally rest. You can't read the clock when the lights are on, but that's fine with me. If you're having trouble, you should give something like that a try.

      This is what is known as a First World Problem.

    4. Re:Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by lgw · · Score: 1

      I just use an analog clock. No light. Also, battery powered so I wake up even if there was a power flicker while sleeping. How weird is that?

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    5. Re:Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I don't know, do you purposefully position clocks so you cannot rad them?

      Before my phone took the place of my alarm clock, I always kept the alarm clock in my bedroom faced away from my bed. I rarely need to know what time it is when I'm in bed, so there was no reason to have the glow of the clock shining on me all night.

      I just want the alarm in the morning.

    6. Re: Pretty obviously pointed at the bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "do you purposefully position clocks so you cannot rad them?"

      Not since Fallout 3.

  11. Who are these morons? by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Camera in your bedroom?

    Please, some one hack these and publish it on the internet.

    Anyone stupid enough to buy this crap deserves to have the entire world laugh at them.

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    1. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The more you call them stupid the more this tsunami (of stupidity) will grow.

      This is just where human beings are going now in their state of confusion. Thinking the apple fell on Steve Jobs's head. Get use to it as the internet starts to resemble more of a tumor than a way to actually convey information.

    2. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've basically said exactly what I wanted to say.

    3. Re:Who are these morons? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might, but I don't. Specifically, the phone you're referring to.

    4. Re:Who are these morons? by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Funny

      Camera in your bedroom?

      Hey, I'm just trying to pay my way through college.

    5. Re:Who are these morons? by butzwonker · · Score: 1

      Uhm, no. I don't. Only morons do that.

    6. Re: Who are these morons? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      I know, right! Damn these new fangled cameras that can see my bed when lying flat pointing at the ceiling! (Your Answer: YOU are the idiot )

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    7. Re: Who are these morons? by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Who said anything about "bed"? Besides your phone isn't always flat in your room. You use it in there don't you, moron?

    8. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @gurps_npc - you probably already have cellphone in your bedroom.

      @all - nothing new to see here. move along.

    9. Re:Who are these morons? by trawg · · Score: 1

      Camera in your bedroom?

      My bedroom routinely has two smartphones and thus four cameras in it (front + back on both).

    10. Re: Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well if you're actively filming the fucking with it you're asking for trouble

    11. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine is either zipped in the pocket of my rucksack next to the bed, or sometimes face down on the bedside table, with the back camera pointing at the ceiling. In neither case can it see what I'm doing in bed.
      If you keep your phone in the bedroom at an angle where it can clearly see the bed, you are probably part of a very small minority.

    12. Re: Who are these morons? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      If your boyfriend is using his phone when he's fucking you he is just not that into you (other than in the literal sense of course), and besides all they'll see is the back of your head. Just accept that you are the moron and move on with your pathetic life.

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    13. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @gurps_npc - you probably already have cellphone in your bedroom.

      @all - nothing new to see here. move along.

      Schneier blog poster detected.

    14. Re:Who are these morons? by BadTuna · · Score: 1

      I have a Linux box in my bedroom for streaming. No Camera. No mic.
      If my phone is in there, wi-fi is off. That's what the pc is for.
      Not complicated really.

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    15. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more you call them stupid the more this tsunami (of stupidity) will grow.

      MAGA!

    16. Re:Who are these morons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet two years into the Trump campaign/presidency liberals still haven't figured out that Tourettes-ing "MORONRACISTNAZIBIGOTSEXISTFASCIST!!!" at everything they don't like isn't winning them any converts...

  12. cameras and microphones everywhere by hmadrone · · Score: 1

    Well, let's see. Anyone who has a smartphone, tablet, or computer in their bedroom is already providing surveillance equipment for anyone who can hack their way in. I don't see how the Echo Spot is appreciably different.

    To me, the creepy thing about the whole connected house and voice-activated digital assistants is that they're always listening. I don't care so much if someone ogles me in the altogether or watches me having sex (they might learn something!), but I don't like the idea of people listening to my private conversations.

    1. Re:cameras and microphones everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I carry a dumbphone. It has talk, text, calendar, calculator, notes, alarm, radio, etc. Far more than I need, in fact. And it cost 10% the cost of a new smartphone.

      I work on an Internet-connected computer all day, and have an Internet-connected computer in my living room (not my bedroom, of course). I can live without Internet while in-transit.

      The world is full of addicts.

    2. Re: cameras and microphones everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh wow, another "cool" electronics luddite.

      Feel free to do what you want, I love my smartphone.

    3. Re: cameras and microphones everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I'm not sure what all the anti tech people are doing here, either, but they remind me of 50 year old hipsters.

    4. Re: cameras and microphones everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use my smartphone to order books when I am at Half-Price Books. When I find an interesting book there, I always now log into the abe.com website, which is a huge database of used bookstores worldwide. On many occasions now, I have done a search on abe.com and found books that H-P Books has priced at, for example, $8, for $3 including shipping from an online used bookstore.

      My phone is an electronic 'Quarter-Price Bookstore.' Check out abe.com if you haven't already.

    5. Re:cameras and microphones everywhere by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I don't see how the Echo Spot is appreciably different.

      It's different in two ways -- I imagine that most people don't have their phones propped up so the cameras can actually see the bed. They're probably lying flat on a nightstand where they have a great view of the ceiling.

      Also, most people's cell phones aren't operated by or in constant communication with Amazon.

    6. Re:cameras and microphones everywhere by hmadrone · · Score: 1

      You're right that cell phones aren't usually propped up so they can see the bed, but some people put their phones in charging cradles or stands to keep them upright.

      There are documented cases of people remotely activating laptop cameras to spy on people. School officials have spied on students in their bedrooms via school-issued laptops.

      It's not that hard for hackers to remotely seize control of computer cameras and microphones, and that would include the type of computer you carry in your pocket. Apps often have access to the camera and microphone and can listen in even if they're in the background. You can forbid access, but that only works with apps that are following the rules.

      You can't know who is watching and/or listening to you at any time through any of these devices: large corporations, government entities, criminal organizations. If they care to do so, they can.

      I cover cameras on my devices when I'm not using them. I don't know any sure way to turn off the built-in microphones so that hackers can't use them to spy on me.

  13. Anybody by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    Want to send me money for my GoFundMe where I will probably invent different sizes and colors of electrical tape cut into specific shapes to fit the cameras on any device?

    1. Re:Anybody by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      I can't imagine that would sell. People who are concerned about privacy aren't buying one of these things in the first place.

  14. Jeez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Jeez you got a big p*ssy" "Jeez you got a big p*ssy" "Why did you say that twice?" "I didn't" Someday, sometime, we're gonna hear that be recorded by this device....

  15. I found the summary confusing by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure, will this device place a camera in my bedroom? they really should have capitalized every instance of . "CAMERA IN YOUR BEDROOM", "A CAMERA NEXT TO YOUR BED!!!"

  16. #784 on the list of the things that can be fixed by Solandri · · Score: 1

    by duct tape.

  17. Will catch me coming out of the shower to change.. by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    .. will produce fake news of an anaconda on the loose....

  18. Can it see through electrical tape? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wonderin'

    1. Re:Can it see through electrical tape? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Probably, but I'm pretty sure it can't see through a #2 philips screwdriver either.

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  19. Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't have a discussion like this without atleast one mention of "Der Fuhrer" or nazis

    http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-innocent-sounding-topics-that-are-guaranteed-flame-wars/

  20. 1984 by shayd2 · · Score: 1

    So, Orwell was 40 years off on the date I already love Big Brother so I'm safe.

  21. Smart Shower TM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Smart Shower will detect who enters the shower and adapt the water temperature, jet pattern and force accordingly. Multiple jets will be engaged depending on your facial expression and state of arousal, including a tender after glow down cycle. A couples upgrade is available.

    1. Re:Smart Shower TM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about a smart toilet that automatically adjusts the flush depending on what the camera sees? I wouldn't want to be on the team that builds that training data set.

    2. Re:Smart Shower TM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a toilet that just clears the content of the bowl with a single flush. Damn low flow toilets.

    3. Re:Smart Shower TM by Opportunist · · Score: 1
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  22. cheap camera, no zoom by epine · · Score: 1

    I predict there will be a rash of unplanned pregnancies by device-centric teenagers going "oh, so that's what you meant by 'put a sock on it'".

    Boy scout planning way ahead: "Echo, instructions for putting on a sock before sex."

    Echo: "On me? Or you?"

    Boy scout: "Pretend you've got your own sock already."

    Echo: "Okay, stick out your foot."

    Boy scout: "What?"

    Echo: "Consider your foot a model for your future manhood."

    Boy scout: "What's wrong with my present manhood?"

    Echo: "Can't tell you, cheap camera, no zoom."

    1. Re:cheap camera, no zoom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please stop posting.

  23. Oh yeah? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    ...the Echo Spot -- a little alarm clock with a camera that will probably be pointing directly at your bed.

    Joke's on them, I sleep on the floor.

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  24. This could go horribly wrong... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...if your unsuccessfully-suppressed squeak-farts make a sound like Sssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeery.

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  25. Next, Amazon Echo Leak for the Bathroom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many already use their smartphones in the bathroom. Seems that's the next place for Amazon to go.

  26. Next year, Amazon porn hub goes live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was buried in the disclaimer, all ur sex scenes belong 2 us.

  27. Re:#784 on the list of the things that can be fixe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely the device will have mandatory monthly spyware upgrades which will test if the camera is functional. And if the camera does not provide surveillance data, device will stop working.

  28. Re:Will catch me coming out of the shower to chang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they'll have photographic evidence of one repeatedly crawling in and out of your back door, right?

  29. edging ever closer by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "If things continue this way, there will be two societies - or at least I hope there will be two - the one you're helping create, and an alternative to it. You and your ilk will live, willingly, joyfully, under constant surveillance, watching each other always, commenting on each other, voting and liking and disliking each other, smiling and frowning, and otherwise doing nothing much else."

    --- Dave Eggers, The Circle

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    1. Re:edging ever closer by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like facebook.

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  30. Re:#784 on the list of the things that can be fixe by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

    The new model has an x-ray camera that can see through duct tape.

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  31. Ahahaha by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

    Fuck no.

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  32. We're gonna need a bigger lens by mnemotronic · · Score: 2

    Just kidding. Ain't nothing going on in bed 'round these parts.

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  33. Re:Nothing to hide... by Cryacin · · Score: 1

    Does everyone who does want to view footage of me as I have nothing to hide, have nothing to hide?

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  34. Stasi... just *you* pay for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm currently living in Berlin.

    When people come up with Amazon Echo and its kind, I usually tell them: "You see, some time ago, the state would come into your flat, install some listening devices *at their cost* and even fix whatever damage to the wallpapers they could have made in the process. Nowadays *you* go out and shell out some money to get that."

    Those having been in Berlin before 1989 get this strange look on their faces and seem to understand.

    Stasi would have *killed* for having a live video stream on top of their listening bugs!

    There is a difference between The State and Amazon? Hm. That depends on... circumstances. Very volatile circumstances.

    (And no, I'm not particularly picking on Amazon: Google, Facebook, whatever are more of the same).

    1. Re:Stasi... just *you* pay for it! by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This is spot on. Putting one of these in your house is like keeping a pile of milkbones in the backyard and being surprised when a pack of dogs show up. It's irresistible to an authoritarian, which is clearly where the US is headed if we don't do something about it.
      Surreptitious surveillance devices are like tossing gasoline on the fire.

    2. Re: Stasi... just *you* pay for it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone pretty much has a smart phone. Your hysteria is a decade late don't you think?

    3. Re: Stasi... just *you* pay for it! by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      This is a set it and forget it device. Most people pay attention to their cellphone.

  35. How stupid would you have to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How stupid would you have to be to buy this? Has nobody read 1984?

    1. Re:How stupid would you have to be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My county government banned 1984 from all schools and public libraries in the county.

  36. Why doesn't it have a sliding camera cover? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be so easy to implement... if Amazon weren't interested in spying on you.

    Secondly, lots of people on other forums have been saying "but you have a camera spying on you already in your bedroom, it's on your phone", but my phone is always in a neoprene case when I'm not using it - which is 99% of the time, and you can't hear speech clearly when the neoprene cover is on it, covering the microphone, plus I put it in a small cardboard box with my keys and wallet as soon as I get home, so I know where it is.

  37. Orwellian... by advocate_one · · Score: 1

    1984: Winston comments to himself, "There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug into your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live-did live, from habit that became instinct- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized"(Orwell 3).

    from here

    https://blogs.commons.georgetown.edu/engl-246-fall2011/tag/panopticon/

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  38. Shocking by overlook77 · · Score: 1

    I thought these devices were just a way to sneak a microphone in your house.

  39. Come on guys by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    The Echo G-Spot camera, I mean alarm clock, is a revolutionary idea and will be a really useful addition to my Dot, which wakes me just nicely as it is. We need this new ancient device why again? Oh, yes, so Amazon can give bedroom advice, somewhat like the Echo Look does with wardrobes.

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  40. Orwell's prophetic 1984 by mpercy · · Score: 2

    "Inside the flat a fruity voice was reading out a list of figures which had something to do with the production of pig-iron. The voice came from an oblong metal plaque like a dulled mirror which formed part of the surface of the right-hand wall. Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely.

    “He thought of the telescreen with its never-sleeping ear. They could spy upon you night and day, but if you kept your head you could still outwit them. With all their cleverness they had never mastered the secret of finding out what another human being was thinking. . . . Facts, at any rate, could not be kept hidden. They could be tracked down by inquiry, they could be squeezed out of you by torture. But if the object was not to stay alive but to stay human, what difference did it ultimately make? They could not alter your feelings; for that matter you could not alter them yourself, even if you wanted to. They could lay bare in the utmost detail everything that you had done or said or thought; but the inner heart, whose workings were mysterious even to yourself, remained impregnable.”

    "It was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself – anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offense. There was even a word for it in Newspeak: facecrime, it was called.

    And sure, Amazon is not the NSA, but if you think the NSA is not going to exploit this tech, well then I've got a bridge I can sell you...

  41. Amazon Echo is a blatantly obvious way ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    ... to get a camera in your bedroom.

    FTFY.

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  42. Will probably be successful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People revile at this stuff initially but amazon is just getting people used to it. I have no idea why people would put an always on microphone in their house. Of course why I have back account information on my platform for malware (Windows 10) isn't really very rational either.

    And really maybe it's good. Yes people will get hacked and images of them having sex may get on to the internet. But for all but a few celebrities it won't be that big a deal because there is already tons of sex on the internet and it's not like one person will be hacked it will be millions. Yes for the first month it will be novel trying to see your friend having sex, but after a while no one will care.

    Am I going to put an always on microphone or camera in my house, not a chance, but that's what I say now.

  43. What's the purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see the purpose of a fashion-camera to judge your outfits.
    I can see the purpose of a video-chat in the kitchen. ... but why does an alarm clock need a camera?
    To ensure you're awake? There's a snooze button, if you've changed your mind...
    So robbers can ensure you're asleep? Do they care?
    So others can review your sexual antics? There's already lots of free entertainment there; varying quality.
    So you can show off? There's no need for the alarm clock part.
    Now I'm curious ... what's their REAL purpose?

  44. Tape on my camera by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Shoot, I already have tape over my laptop camera, have it disabled in the device manager. And now they want to introduce a camera in your bedroom? Oh a hacker FIELD DAY!

  45. Yes. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    No.

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  46. pay it forward by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

    That camera in the bedroom is a good way to pay it forward for all those who consume free online porn. It's about time people start contributing back.

  47. 600 million contract with the CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget who Amazon's clients are. Murderers, blackmailers, terrorist trainers.
    It's not the Stasi, it's their contractor doing the job.

  48. And this was supposed to be a satire piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Satire pieces are getting harder to write because reality overtakes them sooner than not. This was written in May 22...

    https://medium.com/@gurumurthi/the-techno-socio-economic-ramifications-of-the-camera-option-in-amazon-echo-show-a-holistic-5dce676ec0ba

  49. It makes sense by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    People who are OK with these sorts of devices in their home probably aren't bothered by the addition of cameras, no matter where they are placed.

  50. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have security cameras in all but the bathrooms in my house along with some hidden cams that are all continuously recording. Nothing is wrong with cameras if only you have administrative control of them.

  51. Often bought together by torkus · · Score: 1

    Amazon G-spot...erm...E-Spot
    https://www.amazon.com/Duck-29...

    Seriously though people...after the ZOMG YOUR LAPTOP CAMERA IS SPYING ON YOU Apocalypse (ahem) people put tape or got fancy little sliding doors for their cameras. Why amazon isn't building that into something meant for the bedroom with a camera in it is beyond me...but it's not really THAT hard to fix.

    Related: I fully expect these will be hacked and some interesting videos posted. But it won't be the first time cameras have gotten into the bedroom and recording things you don't want seen.

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