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IBM Now Has More Employees In India Than In the US (newsindiatimes.com)

New submitter Zorro shares a report from The New York Times (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source): Over the last decade, IBM has shifted its center of gravity halfway around the world to India, making it a high-tech example of the globalization trends that the Trump administration has railed against. Today, the company employs 130,000 people in India -- about one-third of its total work force, and more than in any other country. Their work spans the entire gamut of IBM's businesses, from managing the computing needs of global giants like AT&T and Shell to performing cutting-edge research in fields like visual search, artificial intelligence and computer vision for self-driving cars. One team is even working with the producers of Sesame Street to teach vocabulary to kindergartners in Atlanta.

The work in India has been vital to keeping down costs at IBM, which has posted 21 consecutive quarters of revenue declines as it has struggled to refashion its main business of supplying tech services to corporations and governments. The company's employment in India has nearly doubled since 2007, even as its work force in the United States has shrunk through waves of layoffs and buyouts. Although IBM refuses to disclose exact numbers, outsiders estimate that it employs well under 100,000 people at its American offices now, down from 130,000 in 2007. Depending on the job, the salaries paid to Indian workers are one-half to one-fifth those paid to Americans, according to data posted by the research firm Glassdoor.

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  1. Perhaps the government and corps... by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .... got fed up being put through to some idiot in Bangalore who couldn't solve his own shoelaces whenever there was an issue who then had to escalate it 3 levels up before there was even a satisfactory response, never mind a solution. Of course IBM arn't the only ones guilty of this. You'd think companies would have started to realise now that outsourcing isn't always the solution to their problems, sometimes it IS the problem.

    1. Re:Perhaps the government and corps... by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah... you seem to be miss-informed about IBM these days.

      Once upon a time that would have been true, these days IBM specialises in not even delivering a solution in the first place, and still somehow keeping a bit pile of the money involved.
      Then they let things cool off for a year or so, and have another dig at the gravy trough.

      The usual formula seems to be that a project that could be done for $x by getting local companies to quite it is instead quietly contracted through a process only involving several of the 'big names' for $x*100, and then IBM is given the contract for 5 to 10 times that figure, and bollocks it up so badly it never ever works.

      I think we call it progress and open government?

      IBMs primary skill is a small group of nice suits who talk a very good talk and present a very good presentation, and then walk away never to be seen near that project every again.

      Oh, and the fact that still, no one ever gets fires for buying IBM.

    2. Re:Perhaps the government and corps... by geekmux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      .... got fed up being put through to some idiot in Bangalore who couldn't solve his own shoelaces whenever there was an issue who then had to escalate it 3 levels up before there was even a satisfactory response, never mind a solution. Of course IBM arn't the only ones guilty of this. You'd think companies would have started to realise now that outsourcing isn't always the solution to their problems, sometimes it IS the problem.

      You really think the person who's getting a fat bonus every quarter really gives a shit about what "companies" think?

      Once again, pure unadulterated greed stands out. The only thing that matters is their benefit from managing a number at the bottom of a page, no matter what that takes. Banking executives have certainly proven unethical and even illegal activities are worth the effort and risk.

    3. Re:Perhaps the government and corps... by zifn4b · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it is the Conservatives who won't pay the cost of doing business. Pay some taxes, pay some workers...all grudgingly. Pay for fouling the environment? Nope, that's not them, they believe it is the environment's fault it got fouled. People taking it in the neck because of a fouled environment? They must be ungrateful bastards who don't want to work for a living, they should be honored to live in a fouled environment, sacrificing their kids' health if need be.

      Clowns to the left, jokers to the right. Conservatives want a free lunch doing business. Liberals want an unlimited amount of free social programs. Neither have any regard for the work or cost involved in either endeavor.

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  2. Re: Given this track record of revenue decline.. by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 3, Insightful
    You seem to be onto something. Shifting the workforce to India (which lowered costs) and revenue is still declining. Perhaps IBM should see reassess the cause for declining revenue.

    Isnâ(TM)t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

  3. Globalization = Pure Capitalisim = Locustlike by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This issue is nothing particular to IBM. It is simply the way of Globalization.
    It is a predictable and repeating pattern.
    A company leaves an area with high standards of living for a 2nd or 3rd world country in order to save money and increase their profit margins.
    Other companies do the same.
    2nd world economy grows, wages increase, standard of living increases.
    Company moves to the next 2nd or 3rd world country since the current one is too expensive.
    After a few cycles, the wages and standard of living in the original country should have reduced enough due to goods no longer being produced there that the company can relocate back to country 1 and start the whole thing over again.
    They are basically locusts. Moving from place to place until they have taken every ounce of profit they can.

    1. Re: Globalization = Pure Capitalisim = Locustlike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Globalization increases the standards only temporarily. And they don't increase it by much before they hop out and leave a big, gaping hole that makes the problem worse than when they were there. Because the fact is there is always someplace cheaper with less regulations and pesky work standards.

  4. Quality? by Petronius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe revenues are down *because* the work is being done in India and the overall IBM value prop is no longer there. Did that ever occur to the bean counters?

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