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Solar Powered Smartwatch Successfully Crowdfunded on Kickstarter (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes the Verge:
Battery life on smartwatches is, in a word, bad. And while most of today's watches can more or less make it through a day without dying, they're still a far cry from the months or even years that traditional watches can run for. What if you never had to charge your smartwatch? That's the promise of Lunar, a new Kickstarter project that claims to be the world's first solar-powered smartwatch... The company says that the watch can charge off both indoor and outdoor light, and can run off as little as one hour of exposure a day. (The company also includes a traditional inductive charger as a backup.)
As for the watch itself, it's a pretty standard hybrid smartwatch, solar power aside. It'll be able to do basic activity and sleep tracking, offer some limited notification support through a colored LED, and automatically set time zones through a connected smartphone app. Also, given the need for low power consumption for the solar charging to feasibly work, there's no screen on the Lunar. Instead, there's just a ring of LED lights located where hour markers would be.
The campaign reached its funding goal wIthin two days of launching -- and one week later had double that amount, raising a total of $101,987 from 564 backers.
It's not clear if Slashdot readers love or hate smartwatches. Does it make a difference if the watch is solar powered?
As for the watch itself, it's a pretty standard hybrid smartwatch, solar power aside. It'll be able to do basic activity and sleep tracking, offer some limited notification support through a colored LED, and automatically set time zones through a connected smartphone app. Also, given the need for low power consumption for the solar charging to feasibly work, there's no screen on the Lunar. Instead, there's just a ring of LED lights located where hour markers would be.
The campaign reached its funding goal wIthin two days of launching -- and one week later had double that amount, raising a total of $101,987 from 564 backers.
It's not clear if Slashdot readers love or hate smartwatches. Does it make a difference if the watch is solar powered?
is solar powered? no. next question.
I've been waiting for a smart watch with good battery life and just basic notification support. A little low power LCD would be handy, but this could potentially be a nice addition to a smart phone.
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Why would you want to solar power a watch that has any significant power draw? If it were just quartz, a small panel like for a calculator should be fine but watches already have a mechanism for perpetual power and its called self-winding, where there is a pendulum-like rotor going round and round with the person's movement... the problem is that this provides just enough power to something on the magnitude of a traditional watch. A smartwatch consumes probably at least 3 orders of a magnitude more. No go.
But with solar simply cannot get a decent amount of power on the face or even if the entire band would be flexible solar panels, which is not what it looks like. And forget about winter with long sleeve shirts and what not. Look at solar power phone cases out now on Amazon with much greater surface area for that type of thing and they have shitty review because they're simply not big enough.
This is a product simply drawing on a downside of smartwatches (shitty battery life) for attention and amassing a ton of money/orders before delivering a single product that will inevitably disappoint.
So what, proves gullible people are gullible. News at 11! Break out the real news that matters when these guys ship a product that actually works! Anyone remember the 3D minority report style controller that was supposed to replace the mouse? Did fund, did ship, did not work.
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Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Maybe I'm missing some sort of killer feature; but it looks like their power budget forced them to axe a pretty substantial percentage of the 'smart'; while still tying the watch to a phone(and the hope that it won't lose most of its utility if the company bleeds out and stops updating their little app) and keeping power draw high enough that you do at least sometimes have to worry about the battery, unlike non-smart watches which draw so little power that the solar ones usually run for the life of the device and the battery powered ones have battery lives in years rather than hours.
I could see the notification LED maybe being useful if you already have your phone's constant demands for attention pared down enough that a simple "$APP$ is bothering you" indicator, without room for displaying 'from', 'subject', or anything of that sort would actually be helpful; but my experience has been that 'social' apps are relentless about their notification spam because user engagement metrics are the stuff of which inflated valuations are built; and email notifications are hard to make helpful without at least knowing you the message is from; or that it has passed a particular set of filter rules; because most mailboxes get a constant torrent of low value chatter.
I, um, guess it's less silly looking than the rubbery-bracelet style activity trackers? And the advertising photos imply that it will make me a rugged outdoorsman enjoying an active lifestyle and adequate vitamin D? Plus, the advanced 'have your watch tell you if the sun has risen or set' feature!
The group thinkers won't go for it if coming from an unknown source.
I have a handful of solar powered watches. The normal kind, that just tell time. They have mechanical faces. They are just awesome, and, like the proposed semi-smart watches (without a display, they aren't smart, sorry), only need a modicum of sunlight, or somewhat more office light, every day to run just fine indefinitely. The only time I've had problems is when I inadvertently left one in a dark closet for a couple of months. Even then, bright sun for a few hours, and all was well again.
Not having to replace batteries, ever, is AWESOME, doubly so because watch batteries are really tiny, by the constraints imposed by the size of the watches and so replacing them is a right royal pain in the patootie. Recharging, daily? No thank you. I'm the one who runs my life, not my watch. I need to be able to trust the reliability of the things I use, and if forgetting to do a daily charging cycle means the thing is no longer useful for the day, well, then it wasn't really useful to start with.
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And with good cause. Apple is gonna get IMPEACHED and then CONVICTED! LOCK THEM UP!
a) I haven't worn a watch for years.Carrying a phone just makes it totally unnecessary. I'm even afraid that having something on my wrist all day again would just feel wierd now.
b) Watched the video on their website and am not about to buy anything that is advertised by and therefore associated with fashion-victim hipsters with ridiculous-looking man-buns.
Citizen has been doing this since the 1990s, though for "non-smart" watches:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-Drive
* http://us.citizenwatch.com/us/en/eco-drive.html
Finally I don't have to risk turning to dust when looking out the window to see if the sun has gone down yet.
...need I say more?
Most people here probably don't wear watches. Those that do probably don't venture outside much. If you're active outdoors it might make some sense.
The idea is always interesting, but the execution of it means I have to wear a thing on my wrist. I don't personally wear jewelry and since I work around equipment that can rip things off your body including things I'm partial too like skin and what it protects it's imperative for me to avoid it.
So no thank you.
Amaaaaaazing. . . it notifies me with a blinking light when I have a SMS, and does watchy things on it's face. . . Amaaaaaaaazing
In general we are inflected with a lack of companies.
We want a device that is as small as possible with a ton of features and last a long time on a battery.
When ever something is removed to add something out there is rage about it.
Mobile devices that use to have months of battery life were also about 10 - 20 years behind modern technology on what they can do. We are not closer to 5 years now.
So what the display can do, processing that needs to be done unwilling to have physical buttons to handle functions. All add up to kill battery life.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
That's an interesting compromise....do the analog hands auto synchronize to phone's time at least?
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TFA has photo of the watch with other, presumably, daily-carry items, including a Kodak Instamatic 100 camera from 1963 and cheap LED palm light. Cutting-edge tech all around I see.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
So will there be an app on the smart watch to tell you when your getting to many harmful rays from the sun while your trying to charge your watch?
I always wear long sleeve shirts.
Thank the gods. I have grown weary of the venture to the deep that is my pocket. You intrigue me sir with this profound modern marvel. But prey ye, what else doth it entail? It receives corespondence by air? What madness! What is its source of nutrient? The sun?! It is as if the sundial reborn anew like the Phoenix. What a time we live in. Looks like I won't be needing this anymore...**Pulls cell phone out of his pocket hooked to his pants by a thin gold chain**...What do you mean I still require my mobile cellular telegraphy machine?...
Kickstarter funded startup for solar powered watch ends in disaster as startup discovers that watch size solar panels that are covered by sleeves don't produce enough power to run anything.
Todays best solar panels produce about 15 watts per square foot under ideal conditions (south facing, unshaded direct sunlight). A watch is about 1 square inch (1/144th of a square). So you can start with 1/144th of 15 watts, and under ideal conditions the watch will generate 81 mW. Now you automatically have to divide that in half because you have about 50% nighttime, so the watch has to run on less than 40mW. Now because it still has to work at night, it needs some kind of energy storage, and charging and drawing from that storage will cost you about 15% of your efficiency round trip, so you can take that down to about 35mW. Next, you have to account for more northern climates where your solar load factor is lower because of the amount of atmosphere the light has to pass through, and you have to assume worst case that it will only provide 50% of the rated performance, so now you are down to 17mW. Now, a good microprocessor in sleep mode will draw about 1mA at 3.3V, or about 3.3mW, but during active function will draw around 10mA minimum (33mW). Although Bluetooth Low Energy itself will not use much power for low bandwidth usage, processing that information will require the CPU to be in the active state for a not-insignificant amount of the time. Assume that it will have to spend about 20% of its time actively handling status messages (remember the only way to get a processor that runs on so little power is that it is a 50MHz processor (about the same compute power as a 386 DX). So your average processor power draw should be about 7 mW under normal usage.
All of that adds up to about a 2x power margin, but all of that has one fundamental assumption that kills the concept in the real world: The solar is only effective when pointed in the general direction of the sun. A watch (even without sleeves) will almost never be directly exposed to sunlight for any significant duration. (Note that light from indoor sources only produces about 1% of the energy as direct natural sunlight. That is why sitting in direct sunlight makes you warm, and indoor lighting doesn't).
At the end of the day, a dumb watch would probably work just fine for this sort of thing, since a dumb watch only draws uAs. Once you add any kind of external communication protocol, even if it is BLE, you up the power draw to a level that simply can't be powered by energy harvesting of any kind (be it solar or motion, or anything else). I think they have a very nice design for a solar watch that can probably even work for non-smart usage, but if they think they are going to put anything in this thing that can talk to a smartphone, wifi, or any other wireless device, they are dreaming.
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- Notifications
- Dual Time
- Sunrise / Sunset
That's it? I've seen wind up watches with more functionality that that. How about a calendar? Or a timer? Or a stopwatch? Or a heartbeat monitor? Or a pedometer? Or a GPS receiver?
Connecting to your phone a smartwatch makes not, I'd say.
Truly groundbreaking. Anyone interested in buying my Pebble Kickstarter edition? It has several days of battery life, basic but somewhat useful smartwatch functions, and, oh yeah, it's been abandoned by its new IP owner, Fitbit.
Laugh while you can, monkey-boy.
You can BUY it online from say a TRUSTED source, or, in a store. Nope, not backing kickstarter. If it were "that good" the venture capitalist or banks would back it.
I have a Forerunner 630 - gets 7-10 days of battery life. They have models which do even better.
This 1-2 days of battery life on Apple and Android watches is surprisingly weak.
As in Lunatic?
To charge a small amount often is good for the battery. Charging from 95% to 100% goes slower because of a lower voltage difference. If the battery is nearly empty, current flows faster and creatures dendrites on the inside of the batteries' terminals. So recharging every time you step outside instead of once per day at night is quite beneficial.
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A WATCH with a built-in CLOCK FUNCTION!
*facepalm*
Battery life of Smart Watches is bad? It's still bad on Smart *Phones*!
Just look at the photos. You can see the hands are real! They are not like any other watch renders that the hands are drawn. Just look at one photo carefully and you will see even shade on hands! What a scam is this really! I can't believe there are so ignorant people to fund such SCAMMY campaigs.