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Apple Doesn't Deliberately Slow Down Older Devices According To Benchmark Analysis (macrumors.com)
According to software company Futuremark, Apple doesn't intentionally slow down older iPhones when it releases new software updates as a way to encourage its customers to buy new devices. MacRumors reports: Starting in 2016, Futuremark collected over 100,000 benchmark results for seven different iPhone models across three versions of iOS, using that data to create performance comparison charts to determine whether there have been performance drops in iOS 9, iOS 10, and iOS 11. The first device tested was the iPhone 5s, as it's the oldest device capable of running iOS 11. iPhone 5s, released in 2013, was the first iPhone to get a 64-bit A7 chip, and iOS 11 is limited to 64-bit devices. Futuremark used the 3DMark Sling Shot Extreme Graphics test and calculated all benchmark scores from the iPhone 5s across a given month to make its comparison. The higher the bar, the better the performance, and based on the testing, GPU performance on the iPhone 5s has remained constant from iOS 9 to iOS 11 with just minor variations that Futuremark says "fall well within normal levels." iPhone 5s CPU performance over time was measured using the 3DMark Sling Shot Extreme Physics test, and again, results were largely consistent. CPU performance across those three devices has dropped slightly, something Futuremark attributes to "minor iOS updates or other factors."
hardware.
Same difference at the end of the day.
Nobody claimed that they were inserting nops. The claim is that they load the phone up with stuff the old specs can't handle, and then actual application performance (not CPU benchmarks!) suffers.
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It makes sense that as features are added, it will require more CPU and/or GPU to handle it. The only exceptions are when the features are not active, which CAN be the case for some things, but not for all. The real question should be why you don't see more of a performance decrease on older devices, unless there just isn't much that has been added to the newer versions.
As I said, there CAN be exceptions, but the more things that are actually active, the more CPU/GPU you SHOULD expect will be needed to handle those things.
Actually, I am still waiting for the installer to load.
Why would Apple, actively or passively, want to slow down Apple devices?
No amount of revisionism and misdirection by these people can disprove it.
If it's because of more swapping because of increased memory requirements, unoptimized video drivers, or whatever, it doesn't matter.
from a usability standpoint is to avoid any IOS upgrade after the second year. I have seen it with three devices that the usability severely suffered with the third upgrade to a point that you did not want to use that device anymore. Intentional, I dont know but apparently it happened with all three devices with the third os upgrade they got. I came to the conclusion not to buy IOs devices anymore. The problem is the situation is not better on the Android side. The device manufacturers leave you hanging entirely after the second year but at least the devices are still usable then.
This is an entirely hellish situation from a security standpoint of course.
How the fuck isn't this the case for nearly all open source software, as well?
I recently tried to install the most recent release of Debian on an older PC I had sitting around. Although it did finally install, it was a miserable experience when it came to using it. It was excruciatingly slow, especially when trying to use Gnome 3. I also tried a beta release of Firefox 57, which is supposedly fast, but even it was terribly slow.
I've used iOS on just-barely-supported devices, and the performance was nowhere near as bad as what I experienced using Linux on older hardware.
If Apple allegedly does a "bad job" optimizing newer software for older hardware, then the many open source developers out there must be doing a far, far, far, far, far worse job.
They sure as hell made the iPad One obsolete within 3 years of launch, entirely via non-optional software "upgrades."
Come on, the ipad 1 as obsolete the day it rolled out the door with no camera. It was obvious ipad 2 was the one to wait for.
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Im typing this on an 8 year old PC i built myself. I use it for pretty bleeding edge VR research....But yeah, keep thinking that way, my stock portfolio loves it.
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Yeah but they do it for free. We only complain about greedy capitalists around here.
what would be fair to both the corporations that sell smartphones and the customers who buy them is, instead of trying to jam an updated system in a phone that will degrade performance why not just build a stripped down operating system that continues to let the phone function as a phone and camera get rid of everything else, just phone and camera, or just phone and forget the camera, at least it will still be a usable phone, that will work until the customer can afford to buy a new phone, for many people throwing a 1000 bucks down on the new phone is not always do-able at every moment, sometimes other things need paid for that takes precidence
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At one point, it was discovered that gas stations were hacking the pumps so that the test amounts would always come out correct to fool the inspectors e.g. 1 gallon, 5 gallons, 10 gallons but all other amounts would be short. So who's the say that the OS isn't written such that benchmarks work great but other stuff doesn't.
People install all sorts of crap on their devices and then report that it's slowing down over time. A factory reset will solve that problem.
Maybe, but someone paid $700 for one and gave it to us... it was a really nice device for a couple of years, and built like a tank, unbreakable even by 7 & 9 year old boys using it unsupervised. There's no (justifiable) reason why it had to "upgrade" its software into an unusable state - the software worked just fine before they revised it.
We got later iPads, but they were physically fragile - kinda taking a break from the whole tablet scene with the kids now.
Conclusion doesn’t match my idiotic preconceived notions so the testing is wrong.
Fixed that for you.
The entropy of any computer system will tend to increase with system and application updates - databases will grow, files will fragment and access to them will slow.
It seems like this happens to Windows, MacOS and Android. With WIndows or MacOS you can fix it by reformatting and reinstalling or imaging onto a new drive. With Android I usually do a firmware reset.
Probably the same thing is happening to iOS too. I.e. Apple might not be deliberately slowing things down but a phone with a bunch of applications and firmware updates applied to it is always going to be more sluggish than one with has a fresh factory install.
Mind you I bet the fresh factory install of any OS had a lot more scrutiny than a security update for performance - each phone with a bunch of updates and apps is basically a unique leaf in the tree of all possible states the system can get into whereas the factory install is the single root of the tree.
Going to alphas to betas to release candidates to releases involved a lot of hurdles the software has to clear. I.e. when you buy the device it's identical to all the other ones with the same hardware and factory firmware. After a couple of years it's almost a unique individual with a unique set of performance and stability problems.
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Or...use XFCE, Mate, LXDE, IceWM, or Openbox instead of GNOME, KDE, or Unity...? If you're just now finding out how terrible GNOME 3 is for older hardware, don't blame Linux and OS community for that. It's been terrible since day one (quite a few years now). XFCE uses only around 300MB vs. GMOME 3/Unity 1GB at login and isn't as annoying to use. If you need menu search, use the Whisker Menu (right-click panel to add items).
The people bitching the most about programmed device death are using iPhone 5 and earlier, yet they started with iPhone 5s and iOS 9. Duh....of course they're not going to find anything. iPad 2 users know what I'm talking about as well.
I think the troll mod needs to be retired, it seems to get abused as much as it gets used correctly. If a post is troll, let it be flagged, if it's flagged and not troll then take away the flagger's ability to waste peoples time.
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I'd love to hear the modders explanation of how your post is off-topic. this post is off-topic.And troll
Fuck stupid fanboys.
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These benchmarks don't measure ui fluidness, app start times, etc.
Any company that did the proper research and found the true results apple would sue into oblivion.
Not just sue. Apple would send the SWAT like they did for that gizmodo guy who dared post a sneak preview of the iPhone.
That company has traded its soul for pure greed and malice. If Steve Wozniak was dead, he would turn over in his grave.
lucm, indeed.
Apple is very VERY good at making software.
Can someone mod the parent +1 Funny?
lucm, indeed.
To hell with the camera, due to its memory limitations compared to the iPhone 4, there was already iOS software that simply wouldn't run on an iPad 1 at its launch.
I have an iPad 1 that I rediscovered after moving earlier this year. I reset it and I was able to download the âoelast compatible versionâ of apps. It currently has Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, Google Drive, Plex, Spotify, Pages and Numbers running well. I used Google Drive to read PDF.s. The built in apps work well except for Safari. Safari Is painful with 256Kb of RAM.
My 6s came out with iOS 9 and runs iOS 11 well.
But would you prefer the alternative? Android devices often donâ(TM)t get updated at all and never after 2 years.
I'm still using my iPad2 (though I did get fed up with how slow it is for the web and other stuff and finally order a replacement last week). For Apple controlled tasks (iBooks, Mail, and such) it's not bad. For 3rd party stuff, especially the horrific Web 2.0 crap we have going these days, it's fucking terrible.
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These devices are assumed to last forever, because they are allegedly "solid-state". Why, I have a television from the 60's that still works! Smartphones are the same thing; why don't they last 50 years?
Answer: Solid-state ain't really. Aside from the obvious cumulative physical damage from handling a small object constantly every day for years (something no other machines in our lives are subjected to except wristwatches and motor vehicles,) smartphones suffer from an internal degradation of their thermal handling. Put simply, they get worse at transmitting waste heat away from the things that make it, primarily the CPU and GPU.
In a laptop, the culprit in this effect is usually thermal paste. It just flakes away, and a machine that used to run beautifully five years ago now has Main Fan Turn On syndrome all the time, even sitting "idle". What's changed? Supposedly just the software. So, people blame the software. Even people who really, really should know better; people relied upon as experts by industry and family members alike. Many's the time a techie has wiped an old machine clean and installed old software only to discover that it still runs like crap, then shrugged their shoulders and moved on.
In a phone it's more likely to be microscopic fracturing of the heat piping and microscopic distortion of the circuit pathways, causing heat buildup, causing the chip to throttle down. This distortion has not been eliminated by the lower power usage of modern chips, it's only been counterbalanced, if that, because of reductions in pathway size. (The Apple A8 CPU that powers the iPhone 6 was produced using a 20nm process. For comparison, the first Intel Pentium P5's released in 1992 were made with an 800 nanometer process. Remember, that's not just a 40x smaller chip, that's a 40x reduction along each axis, making a chip with _1600_times_ more circuitry in the same area.) Then that phone is wedged into a pocket and dropped and kicked around. For an iPhone 6, that's 3 years of kicking around since it was released. It's no surprise that some people are seeing slowdowns. What should be surprising is test results like above: Tested across a range of devices, the slowdowns disappear. These devices are holding up remarkably well.
That leaves software. Specifically, since these benchmarks still run on the frameworks that comprise the OS, that leaves _application_software_.
In May of 2013, the Facebook app took up 32MB. Now it weighs in at 382MB, over _ten_times_ that. Snapchat was 4MB around that time. Now it is 212MB. Is this Apple's fault? Do you think there is a secret email chain from Apple management to these companies, ordering them to add more API calls and screen art to deliberately obsolete old devices? No. Apple actually works fairly hard to optimize for old hardware, and has done so for years, especially after the internal uproar over what happened when they released a poorly optimized iOS upgrade onto the iPhone 3GS. Their internal "dog food" users were outraged, and management was forced to take heed.
Meanwhile, find me a four-year-old Android device that can take an upgrade to the latest OS. Find me _ONE_. No need to optimize for old hardware when you just straight-up don't acknowledge it exists at all, aye?
What design flaw would that be? The only major stupid design decision I know of about the iPhone 4 was the antennae, and that wasn't as bad as some of the media claimed. The home buttons on our iPhone 4s (plural, not model) worked just fine, bought new and shiny and one of them passed down to my sister-in-law, who replaced it a couple of months ago.
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No, it isn't very clear for me to see on my iPhone 5S running iOS 10. I consider its performance to be just fine.
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