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Apple To Ditch Touch ID Altogether For All of Next Year's iPhones (macrumors.com)
Earlier this week, a report said that Apple is planning to equip next year's iPad Pro with the hardware necessary for Face ID. Now, according to KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, it appears the company is taking that one step further with its 2018 iPhones. All of the iPhones Apple plans to produce next year will reportedly abandon the Touch ID fingerprint sensor in favor of facial recognition. Mac Rumors reports: According to Kuo, Apple will embrace Face ID as its authentication method for a competitive advantage over Android smartphones. Kuo has previously said that it could take years for Android smartphone manufacturers to produce technology that can match the TrueDepth camera and the Face ID feature coming in the iPhone X. Face ID, says Kuo, will continue to be a major selling point of the new iPhone models in 2018, with Apple planning to capitalize on its lead in 3D sensing design and production. Kuo's prediction suggests that all upcoming 2018 iPhones will feature a full-screen design with minimal bezels like the iPhone X, meaning no additional models with the iPhone 8/iPhone 8 Plus design would be produced. That would spell the end of the line for Touch ID in the iPhone, which has been available as a biometric authentication option since 2013.
How well does face ID while I've got a hat, scarf, and sunglasses on?
Apple fans will buy anything, with or a headphone jack, with or without a fingerprint scanner, with or without whatever.
Have a few MacBooks at home and a couple of Linux systems. Sorry, Apple, but I'm phasing you out.
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Thanks, but I'll pass. This is just not a feature I want. Guess it's back to passcodes if I ever buy another iPhone. But to be completely honest, my 6 is fine for my needs, and to me the 7, 8, or X do nothing above and beyond the 6 that makes an upgrade compelling anyway.
I can't see it being something desirable. At all.
eyeballs were easier. whatever.
I unlock my phone multiple times per day in situations where my face wouldn't be visible to the face id sensor. Not only that even in situations where face id WOULD work a fingerprint sensor is faster anyway, because your finger can have unlocked the phone before you've even bought it up to your face from your pocket. This is apple hurting usability to serve design once again. When the technology to have fingerprint scanners under the screen is finally ready they will look like fools.
This is discriminatory to all those without a face.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Then you can sign on your phone AND facebook AT THE SAME TIME! How great is that! This is WHY TRUMP is prez, and you aren't!
How much did the FBI pay for this feature?
What is "a competitive advantage over Android smartphones" supposed to mean? Android was the first operating system to have a face unlock feature with Android 4, 6 YEARS ago, long before Apple blatantly copied it. Apple is as bad as Trump with the propaganda—they just change the narrative to be whatever they like and their idiot fans eat it all up without question. Absolutely shameful.
When I go to the movie theater, as soon as the movie ends (and sometimes while the movie is playing Grrrrr) people are pulling out their cell phones. I can't wait till the darkened theater starts lighting up with the people's phones lighting up their face so they can log in.
Even near-perfect facial recognition will fail with a large enough N and N(*(N-1) comparisons when you expect N (:-))
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I don't think you know what gender reassignment surgery does. Hint: Apple does not support shoving your phone down your pants to unlock it.
The statement "it could take years for Android smartphone manufacturers to produce technology that can match the TrueDepth camera and the Face ID feature coming in the iPhone X" seems to indicate that Face ID is tremendously more complex than fingerprint readers. So now seems like a good time to remember Bruce Schneier's interview titled Complexity the Worst Enemy of Security. Then we should ask if moving to increased complexity as a security system is an improvement for security. If these changes are for increased convenience rather than increased security, then how far are we willing to have convenience etch away that the cost of effectiveness in security until we are left with nothing more than a facade?
As a current owner of an iPhone 6, I have absolutely NO intention of ever upgrading to an iPhone X. I like the touchId but, more importantly, I like an actual physical BUTTON on the 6. I don't even like the recessed divot for the 7 or the 8 as there's no substitute for it when wearing gloves (and no, haptic feedback is NOT a substitute).
I don't even understand how Tim thinks that Face ID is unique to the iPhone when Microsoft already offers it for their Surface Pros and, surely, Google can buy the tech if need be.
This is nothing more than Tech CEO masturbation to keep the churn rate going. Cook is out of ideas and out of his depth. Apple is stagnating and no longer innovating while ignoring core infrastructure and support. For example I had to help out a friend do an upgrade from their iPhone 5 to iPhone 7 after iOS 11 came out. Guess what, iTunes backup will NOT let you update because the iOS' are different - but if you go through the iCloud update you can. Why? Because that's why. Why are the backup scenarios different between the iCloud and iTunes?
But hey, Tim's brought us animoji, so uh, there's that.
I can't see this being a very positive thing, and being someone who's uncomfortable with the premise of FaceID, I guess I'll just stay with whatever platform offers me different options. When manufacturers stop caring about what the consumers need so that they can keep pushing exclusive features in order to beat the competition, (to me at least) something's clearly wrong; it also bears mentioning that there may well be a good number of us who won't want to be a part of this situation and will refuse to support them by purchasing such products.
Just place black electrical tape over the front camera.
For those of us who are not into selfies or video chatting. The rear camera is still available for taking pictures/videos.
I still do not understand why manufactures do not place physical shutters over camera, considering all of the 3 letter agencies and criminals that target our devices.
Sure, now it's official. Someone check the books, which three letter agency paid Apple to do this?
No biometrics and a headphone jack.
waah waah waah i use android screw apple waaah androidâ(TM)ll catch up to ios next year just you wait
All you need to do is to make a few dystopian commercials about the future where everyone is scanned, advertised to, and in fear of speaking their mind due to no anonymity. Could really help Android sales if a couple generations of iPhones don't get bought. Oh wait, you want that future for us too? Anyone want to come and take our money by giving us devices that offer us power, convenience, and most importantly freedom? Anyone? Don't believe the hype that people don't care about privacy. They do. It's just that no one has made it easy enough for them to believe in it. Want to know what the "Next Big Thing" is? This is it. Make it happen for all of our sakes.
That seems like wishful thinking. Android has had both face-based biometrics and depth cameras for a few years, they just haven't been very popular. In addition, Google probably has the best machine learning groups in the world right now, so even if they needed to catch up, they could do so rapidly.
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It seems unlikely they will drop TouchID entirely on phones, unless they are planning on dropping or radically redesigning the iPhone SE.
I flat out DO NOT want my device watching my face all the time. More than anything else, the technology will be used to see if you are actually looking at an ad, or looking away and pause it. In the very near future you will HAVE to look at the ad, or you dont go forward. Did i mention they will be constantly analyzing the emotional state on your face too?
Good-bye
I don't get why they won't just add Voice ID. You say your password clearly out loud, the phone does speech recognition and checks the password, you're in. Seems about as safe as using your face as a password.
I used my dick for Face ID so now I get to take dick pics everytime I unlock my phone. I get all kinds of looks at the store when I'm stuffing my phone down the front of my pants to use Dick ID.
I just got the iPhone 8 (my daughter is old enough to need a phone so she got my old phone).
The touch ID on the 8 is finally good enough that it doesn't slow down usability.
My hope is Apple perfects finger scanning off of the single piece of glass on the front of the phone and uses that as an option in future iPhones. Or, of course, continue the same style as the iPhone 8.
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That feature will be on the iPhone XXX.
Apple will embrace Face ID as its authentication method for a competitive advantage over Android smartphones.
We'll see how much of a competitive advantage that is. Certainly, it is an advantage -- but I suspect it's a pretty small one.
I fully understand the cool factor of simply lifting your phone and gaving it securely unlick for you. Touch ID was better in my opinion. Between the stupid moves they've made of late (trashcan mac, touch bar, ONE port, we don't make displays no wait we do, innovation restricted to emoji, letting airplay die on the vine, etc.) and the incessant propaganda that flows from Tim Cook's mouth (everyone must code! Nobody asked, but here are my opinions on world issues! You can only like or need what we TELL you to like or need! Car karaoke is cool! No really, it's cool!), I have lost all respect for them.
This is fantastic. Touch ID fetishized a tool of authoritarian control. People wanted it as phone security because "it's the same stuff cops use to catch nasty criminals so it's really powerful!" In fact it's a way of binding phones to meat-bags so all the evercookies, permanently signed-in accounts, and DRM registrations become more powerful.
Facial recognition also fetishizes a tool of authoritarian control, but, I hope, less so.
Neither feature is good authentication. Quoting CCC, "It is plain stupid to use something that you can't change and that you leave everywhere every day as a security token."
I think it's better to use a plain password, then concentrate on ways to keep the phone unlocked automatically, like Android does with the inertial sensor. Another option is NFC rings, using a similar protocol to modern U2F tokens. These things aren't tools of authoritarian control because you can lend the phone with others without the manufacturer and app developer knowing.
I'd say that Apple is laying the foundation for the next several years of smart phones. iPhone X will be the best smartphone ever. Certainly, the competition is now working to copy it. The only complaint I have is the overall price. This is just Apples way of nudging us toward the future.
So Apple has copied Windows Hello. Now that Microsoft is out of the phone business, I suspect they will be happy to license it to Android phone makers if the buyers want it.
This could be a problem in certain parts of the Arab world. It would mean women out in public, wearing a face covering, would be unable to unlock their Apple phone.
Bit of a loss of market share there, you'd think.
Of course this also applies to people wearing, say, motorcycle helmets. Definitely a crowd you don't want to annoy.
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That is the correct question to ask....what do you think they are going to do with everyone's facial image?
Identity Theft? .
NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Law Enforcement
Profiling (race, culture, color, religious preference, freckles)
not pay us for the use of our likeness, i.e. Looker
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