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Russia Reportedly Used Pokemon Go In an Effort To Inflame Racial Tensions (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Russia's far-ranging campaign to promote dissension in the United States reportedly included an effort to weaponize Pokemon Go. CNN reported that in July 2016, a Tumblr page linked to Russia's now-notorious Internet Research Agency promoted a contest encouraging people sympathetic to the Black Lives Matter movement to play the game near famous sites of police brutality. Players were told to change their characters' names to the victims of those incidents -- an apparent effort to inflame racial tensions. The Tumblr page was linked to Do Not Shoot Us, a multi-platform campaign designed to mimic aspects of Black Lives Matter. (As CNN notes, the name plays on "hands up, don't shoot," one of the movement's slogans.) Do Not Shoot Us included a website, donotshoot.us, along with related pages on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. The Facebook page was one of 470 pages that were removed after the company determined that it was linked to Russian groups attempting to interfere in US politics.

211 comments

  1. Apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They used an appy app APP from Pokémon to make people unappy with other people without using their own APPS for LUDDITES! APPS!

    1. Re:Apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but can if you can't use your app on a self-driving drone to manage your devops in the cloud then what good is it?

    2. Re: Apps? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Devops is for boring Luddites not fun people who play Pokemon Go.

  2. I heard... by burtosis · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the slogan they used "Pokemon go to the polls!"?

    1. Re:I heard... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I would love to have make public the conversation in the Kremlin about Pokemon Go and anything. It sounds like there's been some new staffing at the Kremlin. Given Putin's world orientation, and the average 20-something new-hire at the Kremlin; Putin is in for a major case of "Oh Shit! What Did They Do This Time?"

      For this I would view it on Pay-Per-View, and get my micro wave popcorn ready!

  3. The strategy is obvious by zzyzx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's less trying to promote one side or the other than a case of Let's You and Him Fight where they just try to get everyone so mad at each other than the US has trouble governing. Trolls are less about converting people (although it's great if they can) and more about making the other side think their views are so insane that they can't be reasoned with. It's all an attempt to get us into increasingly frustrated self selected bubbles and it does seem to be working. ...but maybe I'm just bitter because the Russians didn't offer me a Lapras for helping them. I mean if you're going to use Pokemon Go, use it!

    1. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Trust me... It didn't take the Russians to be divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting.

      Liberal America did a great job of that without any prompting.

      "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Need White Males" wasn't a headline crafted by Russians. It was crafted by her, and radicalized millions of Obama voters against her.

    2. Re:The strategy is obvious by sittingnut · · Score: 0, Troll

      fake russia-gate narrative is reaching absurdist proportions; it seems russians are to be blamed, not only for establishment/deep state backed clinton losing to trump, lack of american success in all the new wars, and incompetence of "intelligence agencies, but also for inane games, racism, "divisiveness", superficial bubble lives, obamacare, illegal immigration, fracking, "global warming", etc etc .
      at this rate, soon russians will be blamed for slavery and civil war, colonialism, native american genocide, etc, etc, too; americans could not be held responsible for any of that, we are the good guys!

      when did amercans become so ready to run from responsibility for their own actions. they sometimes did "bad" things, and failed, in old days too, but they were not in the habit of blaming their evils on others. they would stand by their actions and even proudly justified them. regardless of morality, that was a great thing, even heroic.

      if you renounce responsibility for your own actions and failures, you are voluntarily becoming slaves.

    3. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trust me... It didn't take the Russians to be divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting.

      Liberal America did a great job of that without any prompting.

      The irony in your post is almost palpable.

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    4. Re:The strategy is obvious by zzyzx · · Score: 2

      I don't know of anyone who thinks we'd be holding hands and loving each other sans the bots. This is an existing problem otherwise they'd have nothing to work with. However, there is evidence for them existing (since they've traced the activity back to Russia) so denying that this is happening at all is equally naive.

    5. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree. The Democratic Party has made it clear that if you're a white male (or even just a white female who wants a normal life), they DO NOT want your vote.

      Fair enough. If they don't want me to vote for them, I will not vote for them. Ever.

      They've made themselves an actively toxic party. It's time for them to reap what they've sowed, and there's no need for Russian involvement for that to happen. There's a reason the Democrats control almost no local governments, and it has nothing to do with Russia.

    6. Re: The strategy is obvious by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      As much as the left has demonized the right, the right has demonized the left as well. Both sides are fully guilty of playing this game of making the other side looks absolutely insane, and people gladly do it because they think "well if the other side is crazy, that means I must be completely logical". And then they self-segregate on social media where they can be around people that agree with them.

      Want a challenge? Every day, check the news on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and NPR. You'd be amazed how clear your perspective is when you see something from multiple perspectives, even if some of those perspectives are horribly skewed.

      But hey, what do I know? I'm either a gay-hating, black-hating, Muslim-hating right wing bigot, or a white-hating, male-hating, Christian-hating left wing bigot. Seems like those are the only 2 options when taking a stance these days.

    7. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying the Russians also promoted Hillary?

    8. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Trust me... It didn't take the Russians to be divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting.

      Liberal America did a great job of that without any prompting.

      The irony in your post is almost palpable.

      Please show us a conservative campaign that the Russians exploited for purposes of divisiveness. Your response is telling, utter refusal to acknowledge reality.

      So you're doubling down with a Red Herring and a dash of Reductio Ad Absurdum? No surprise there.

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    9. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh stop!

      I stubbed my toe on my kitchen table this morning. I'm supposed to believe that the Russians had nothing to do with that?

      Come on!

    10. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      And yay, the cold war is back (for all the millennials that missed it).

      captcha: pricks

    11. Re:The strategy is obvious by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This isn't trolling, this is state intelligence level psi-ops and stirring up civil unrest in other countries. This is Russia subverting US politics (BLM is a political movement, seeking political change) and causing distrust and unrest among the population.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here. Look at how people post complaints about fake groups like "Antifa Boston", citing fake news articles. It's not even all Russia, a lot of it is just useful idiots who got suckered in and started generating their own fake news because they think that the "mainstream media" is lying to them.

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

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    12. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm.. Pretty sure he was going for fully palpable. How much more irony do you think his comment needed to whack you over the head with it?

    13. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and NPR

      Really only one of those networks listed offers a "different perspective", and its not even that different from the others on certain topics.

    14. Re:The strategy is obvious by king+neckbeard · · Score: 0, Troll

      So, Russia wants us to not shoot unarmed black men? Sounds better than our current government, and the past administration. Perhaps the Russians are the "useful idiots," provoking reasonable discussions to make us a little less ass backwards.

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    15. Re: The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      So you're doubling down with a Red Herring and a dash of Reductio Ad Absurdum? No surprise there.

      Says the guy resorting to ad hominem and carefully avoiding the substance of the matter. No surprise there.

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    16. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's more our fault. Our society of frenzies sheeple is fertile ground for this type of thing. Besides, the U.S. government (via the CIA) runs propoganda/wars in other countries all the time. Sometimes the U.S. is a shitty country full of shitty people. Best to fix our own problems, not blame others, and stop selfishly fucking with other countries.

    17. Re:The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Are you saying the Russians also promoted Hillary?

      They didn't promote anybody. But they did work - as they have for decades - to simply muddy the waters, stir the pot, and attempt to instill division and antipathy across the board. They, like everyone else "official," had every expectation that Clinton would win - and their efforts were simply aimed at making that task as difficult as possible. Which is what they've always done, and also do throughout the world.

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    18. Re:The strategy is obvious by sittingnut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there is evidence ... (since they've traced the activity back to Russia)

      in fact, there is no independently verifiable evidence.
      establishment authorities are making claims there is evidence and links, but no concrete details that can be checked independently.
      and even these claims are not of original accusations of facilitating trump win, "hacking" the election, etc, but of spending less than 0.01% of online (loosely defined) political ads( and much less of all ads), by "russia linked" "entities" (without much details about them and their alleged links).

      does russia's interests oppose usa's? yes.
      does russia want a weak usa ? yes.
      is russia trying to get its way v.s usa, even using covert and criminal activity? yes.
      all that is true (not just of russia but plenty of others) for a long time.

      but current narrative is not about such obvious things. it is a blatant attempt at renouncing responsibility for american evils and failures, and attempt to deny incompatibility of reality prevailing in usa, with agendas and ideology of establishment( whether it be sharing economic benefits and pains, justifications and sacrifices for permanent wars, free trade, unregulated immigration, etc etc ).
      by blaming russians for events arising from that reality( such as election of trump), you delegitimize that real opposition to establishment ideology and agendas.

    19. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pfft, the whole GOP campaign & conservative movement? Look at how perfectly dismissive most hard-right conservatives have become. Unless you are just another Pootin flunkie that is.

      People need to remember both Liberal & conservative, they are sides of the same coin & essential to make our country work.

      Pootin is playing both sides against each other. At this point they don't seem to care about the quality anymore, rather opting to throw everything against the wall to find what sticks to poke it some more.

      But to the poster wanting a Lapras as payment. Really? Think about a perfect IV Tyranitar at the very least fool.

    20. Re: The strategy is obvious by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Fair enough. If they don't want me to vote for them, I will not vote for them. Ever."

      That's deplorable.

    21. Re: The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Compared to what? The far left outlets in other countries?

    22. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The irony in your post is almost palpable.

      Insert obligatory Inigo Montoya quote here.

    23. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone in this thread is a slavering moron.

      That includes the DNC. They had some pretty ugly strategies.

      Neither Hillary's hardcore supporters, nor the "Bernie Bros" that they couldn't stop getting into facebook fights with for 18 months (they're still at it afaik), would have had even half the friction between them if not for the arguably unethical leaks from the DNC.

      Nobody's accusing the Russians of fabricating tensions in the US - there are plenty. The issue is that they (and, yes, many others, including mostly domestic US actors) quite likely abused the letter and spirit of the laws in provoking conflict along the lines of these tensions where it was useful to inhibit public debate in a certain area.

    24. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      So you're doubling down with a Red Herring and a dash of Reductio Ad Absurdum? No surprise there.

      Says the guy resorting to ad hominem and carefully avoiding the substance of the matter. No surprise there.

      Please show where I have attacked the OP and not his "arguments".

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    25. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are not one of the things you wrote but a poor idiot. Truly no offense meant and I will tell you why.

      What both sides are being coerced to fall into, and you are also guilty of, is to cast an umbrella over the liberal side or conservative side.

      Reducing a group of people to a label is grossly ignoring the complexities of each group and is being taken advantage of to fan prejudice. When a person falls into this trap logic & reasoning don't apply anymore. All from the opposing group will be considered the same, no exceptions. Not to mention an exagerated sense of indignation comes into play.

      And while both sides have been served the bait, the conservative side has grabbed onto it with gusto. All the conspiracy theories, the false victimhood, the name calling, the lack of compromise & discussion well outpaced the equivalent idiots on the left.

      No better proof that the scam artist living in the WH & the useless Congress. The GOP has full majority control, yet nothing gets done. Its all finger pointing, name calling (rhinos, lmao), like a snake eating its own tail.

      Our "leaders" are entitled idiots & in our desperation, the biggest of them all was placed inside the WH.

    26. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holding hands? No. Civility and discussion, yes.
      We haven't reall had either for well over a decade. Im sorry to say the GOP made an art out of being uncooperative while blaming the opposing faction.

    27. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the U.S. government (via the CIA) runs propoganda/wars in other countries all the time

      If it's effective,why would you think that Russia wouldn't?

    28. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BLM is a racial supremacist movement disguising itself as 'social justice' with a mix of communism thrown in, the latter thanks to their big brothers in antifa.

      "we have nothing to lose but our chains"... yeah, great.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here.

      If the KKK are considered terrorists, then why not BLM? They both want the same thing for their respective 'identities'. Both claim to be the victims and both want the state to step in and microarbitrate based on race. Both are ILliberal.

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

      oh wow, what a twisted pile this is.. You are VERY partisan. Antifa is not some fake conspiracy theory any more than the KKK is...and I'm sure if the soviets were still in power, you'd be apologizing for their subversion tactics just like the left used to do in the US. The russians haven't really changed.. It's the left that has pivoted position.

    29. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ad hominem is the only one he heard of before, and no, he doesn't know what it means.

      But it sounds smart to his friends.

    30. Re:The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Yeah because if you don't subscribe to far left wing views, you want to kill unarmed black men...

      wtf?

    31. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now this post might be an example of russian psy-ops.

    32. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing ironic about that post. It simply points out the truth. That you are offended by the truth is what prompts you to attack it with an incorrect label.

    33. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Evidence? Where? Because that's the one thing we haven't seen from all these articles that keep getting shoved in our faces. It's always from "an anonymous source" or "a government official". There's never any names, never any hard evidence. The fact that this campaign only came up after the Dems lost (after claiming there could be NO interference in the election and that to claim there could be was to be doubting America!) is very telling.

    34. Re: The strategy is obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Insert obligatory Inigo Montoya quote here.

      You mean, "Prepare to die"? That escalated fast.

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    35. Re: The strategy is obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      As much as the left has demonized the right, the right has demonized the left as well. Both sides are fully guilty of playing this game of making the other side looks absolutely insane

      While I appreciate your desire to be even-handed, I don't think you can really claim a moral equivalence between a group that supported Donald Trump and one that did not.

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    36. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. The Democratic Party has made it clear that if you're a white male (or even just a white female who wants a normal life), they DO NOT want your vote.

      When did this ever happen? I don't seem to recall Hillary at the last election shouting "hey whiteys! go vote for that Trump dude. He really represents your wants!"

      Or if you mean by condemning racism and sexism the party is saying "hey, KKK members, don't vote for us!" then you're partially right.

      It certainly seems like the progressives' message of inclusion, equal rights, and choice for women greatly offends a lot of white males (particularly southern "christians" {and I use that term VERY loosely} ) who think that it's great to celebrate the war they fought to preserve slavery, and that even though they lost they still act like they won

    37. Re:The strategy is obvious by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Who's talking far left? There are people who actually do have far-left views, but they are nowhere near the people you are calling far left. From a global perspective, Bernie Sanders is about as centrist as it gets, so in order to be far left, you'd have to be significantly to the left of him.

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    38. Re:The strategy is obvious by andydread · · Score: 1

      brainwash alert!!! you mentioned the "deep state" buzzword. hahaha

    39. Re: The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, let's see: You imply stupidity by complaining about irony while carefully avoiding the fact that his observation is accurate. If there's irony involved and you fail to illustrate why, then you're just dishing exactly the sort of patronizing snark that the GP was talking about. In effect, you've just made his point all the more astute. Then you attack him (not the point he's illustrating) by suggesting that he's using lazy rhetorical devices (you know, the thing YOU just did), again instead of even mentioning anything having to do with the subject matter. So, yeah. You've done nothing BUT attack the OP, and stay away from the substance. And now you're being defensive about it instead of taking the opportunity to, say, explain why you think the Democrats AREN'T shameless, disingenuous, hypocritical promoters and exploiters of identity politics.

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    40. Re: The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      It's fun to watch anonymous cowards actually doing the thing that they complain about. Thanks!

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    41. Re:The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I didn't make the implication. You did.

      I don't really care where people fall on some spectrum. Their positions on individual issues are what's important. How far left a politician in the US compared to other countries is irrelevant. It's basically the underpinning of a no-true-leftist fallacy.

    42. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When did this ever happen? I don't seem to recall Hillary at the last election shouting "hey whiteys! go vote for that Trump dude. He really represents your wants!"

      I never said that they wanted you to vote for Trump, just that they made it clear they don't want YOUR vote. She literally called white voters "deplorables." I'm not sure how much clearer you can get.

      Or if you mean by condemning racism and sexism the party is saying "hey, KKK members, don't vote for us!" then you're partially right.

      The KKK was literally a part of the Democratic Party. It was the Democratic Party that brought Jim Crow laws and fought to preserve segregation. Remember your history.

      who think that it's great to celebrate the war they fought to preserve slavery

      I love how everyone focuses on how the south wanted to "preserve slavery" but ignores the north's goals: they were all for slavery in the form of "indentured servitude." What they DIDN'T want were any Africans in the US. They didn't want to "end slavery," they wanted to kick all the black people out of the US and ship them back to Africa.

    43. Re:The strategy is obvious by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Go Team Yellow!?

    44. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >when did amercans become so ready to run from responsibility for their own actions

      1973

    45. Re:The strategy is obvious by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      establishment authorities are making claims there is evidence and links, but no concrete details that can be checked independently.

      Can you explain this conspiracy where the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI are deliberately lying about this, going against their government? And how come Trump and the rest of the GOP are unable to do anything about it, even after firing one FBI director?

      Look, I don't like those guys either, but you are alleging a vast conspiracy that is trying to topple the US government, but which the government can do little about, and your only "evidence" is that they didn't publish enough details of their investigations to satisfy you.

      The DNI report does actually contain a lot of detail. There is independent evidence, like accounts that claim to be westerners but only post during Moscow office hours, or op-sec failures like "Antifa Boston" forgetting to disable geotagging (Moscow again).

      Extraordinary claims...

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    46. Re:The strategy is obvious by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

      When I hear someone crying about Russian influence I'm lead to wonder what the same people think of AIPAC and associated organized sophisticated Israeli propaganda campaigns in this country. Do they find them equally outrageous?

      Is the outrage sourced from the concept of subversion/interference or is it based mostly on the content of the message? e.g. I don't like what your doing so I'll use foreign aspect to justify and amplify my displeasure...

      Of course the flip side is I am indifferent to or support what your doing so I'm willing to completely ignore foreign aspects of your influence campaign.

      I'm not offering an opinion on the underlying "Russia" issue yet I strongly suspect a lot of what ticks people off about Russia is in fact the underlying message not foreign subversion.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here.

      Well see there is actually.. uh... tape of BLM protesters saying and doing the nicest things. "What do we want?" ... many lovely answers to that question can be found with 10 seconds of your time on YouTube and be seen and heard with your own eyes. It can't ALL be explained away by foreign intervention and associated propaganda. At least some of it is earned.

    47. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo. We must assume These allegations are straight from a George Soros operative.

    48. Re: The strategy is obvious by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Insert obligatory Inigo Montoya quote here.

      You mean, "Prepare to die"? That escalated fast.

      I lolled.

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    49. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boston Antifa. Exposed as trolls from Oregon a year ago. I encourage you to create a Twitter account, create a new tweet, and manually set the geolocation to any place in the world, as I was able to do when I tested it.

    50. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Most of Hillary's voters were simply idiots that voted based on the presence of a bodily organ. Most of Trump's voters voted on what was best for the country as a whole, as opposed to specific minority groups.

      Or are you going to tell me that the swing votes in Penn, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan were all racist bigots?

    51. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far this is Just a wholly unproven Fantasy of some butthurt Americans.

      Based on reflexes and wild Claims.

      We must assume this is Just a lie campaign Like the Mainstream Media pulled of against Saddam Hussein.

    52. Re: The strategy is obvious by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      My wife stubbed her toe on her chair this week. Or so she claimed.

      I knew it! You're sleeping with her.

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    53. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuh uh dey switch it wuz agreed on dey switch naems back wen we wuz kangz n sheet

    54. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like you are traitors of America. The only enemy it has.

    55. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you explain this conspiracy

      Tuskegee. COINTELPRO. Et cetera, et cetera, so on and so forth.

      The burden of proof is on you here, you insipid limey.

    56. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm truly curious. What makes voting for Clinton more moral than voting for Trump?

    57. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia is principally a former enemy and geo political rival. They have legitimate reasons to hope the USA fails, as they seek to grow at US expense.

      Israel is principally a current ally and client state of the US. Weakening the US is not in Israel's interests. Espionage and shit sure, but their goal is not a net loss in US power since the US essentially funds their defense.

      So yeah, all outside influence is bad, but their is a difference in degree and intent with Russia that makes their action ab act of war that the others hasn't yet escalated to. How we react to Russia will determine who else decides to intervene similarly.

      Also, BLM is terrorists, according to FOX news who supported Clive Bundy and his armed insurrection against the federal government where they took over the Bureau of Land Management's office.

    58. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to look up the definition of identity politics. It includes using religion, you know that thing Republicans depend on. Also "rural America" is identity politics, saying a candidate didn't go to certain areas and lie about giving handouts to that group (what Trump did) is identity politics. Also you are an SJW, just for right wing movements.

    59. Re:The strategy is obvious by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      It could be argued that foreign propaganda actually brought down Soviet Union. At least it contributed more than any foreign ads to Trump election. US still do a lot of propaganda in Russia. Could easily target their country of origin too. No actual Russian would ever look into BLM stuff unless he works on a US owned company that would give him such a task.

    60. Re: The strategy is obvious by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You have proof of that? All of the investigations so far can't come up with any. But keep trying. You're at least amusing.

    61. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "arguably unethical leaks from the DNC.
      Nobody's accusing the Russians of fabricating tensions in the US"

      Two lies in two lines. TFA and many more examples are exactly "accusing the Russians of fabricating tensions in the US".

    62. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Congressional committees are still investigating. They've already found some interesting evidence and the leaders recently announced they have plenty more work to do. So much evidence, you're going to be sick of all the evidence.

    63. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She literally called white voters "deplorables."

      She literally didn't.

      You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?

      The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

      The strategy is indeed obvious.

    64. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't stop what's coming, can't stop what is on its way and all the Insightful mods in the world won't help you.
      Adam Schiff, 2 days ago

      Over the past nine months, the House Intelligence Committee has learned a great deal about the scope of these Russian efforts. Like our Senate counterparts, we have found ample evidence to support and build upon the intelligence community's January assessment that Russia was responsible for hacking our democratic institutions and dumping stolen data in an effort to turn Americans against one another, harm Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump.

    65. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, fine, she called white voters a "basket of deplorables." I'm not sure how that's substantially different from what I said but if you want to be pedantic about it, good for you?

      You do realize that "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" are just left-wing dog whistles for "white Christian," right?

    66. Re: The strategy is obvious by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Not a rhetorical question: Why do all the Trump apologists assume that the Congressional committees and the intelligence committees will provide them with the proof they have? Why exactly do you think you are privy to what they've found out?

    67. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Schiff, who has a habit of attacking journalists who question him as Russian agents, said that months ago too. No public evidence yet.

    68. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paul Manifort was wiretaped, IN TRUMP TOWER, during the election. The DNI chief, NSA chief, and FBI director all said under oath that none of Trump's campaign was wiretapped during the election. They all LIED UNDER OATH. Let's repeat that for you... The DNI chief, NSA chief, and FBI director ALL lied under oath about wiretapping Trump and his campaign.

      So you are using known liars as evidence? Let me give you some counter. The FBI has not a SINGLE individual willing to testify under oath that Russia hacked the DNC emails. Not a SINGLE person. The company that said they did, paid by the DNC to say so, has decided to retract their statements and is no longer willing to say so. Remember, UNDER OATH the FBI director said the government never saw the servers, only this company "Crowd Strike" has and that company is unwilling to make the Russia claim now.

      So you are literally making shit up you piece of crap bigot. March with the bigots and you are a bigot. Now march with the liars and you are a liar.

    69. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think the leakest government that ever leaked hasn't leaked something as damning as this?

    70. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Can you explain this conspiracy where the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI are deliberately lying about this, going against their government?

      Trump insulted the MIC during the campaign and they are butthurt little babies who have been 100% after him since. "They six ways from Sunday of getting back at you."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtIdpBocNA

    71. Re: The strategy is obvious by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

      Is that irony you're smelling, or vodka?

      (In other words, I think they're still at it.)

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    72. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget the claims that the Civil War was about States Rights and not about owning human beings.

    73. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all of them. Some of them were idiots. Some of them seem to think that coal and oil are still going to be popular ideas in 10 years so anticipate that people will continue to buy the product (despite evidence). Some of them are isolationists. Some of them are bigots. Some of them didn't realize that "Affordable Care Act" and "Obamacare" were the same thing - these are NOT the brightest sparks.

      What they have in common is that they voted for a bigoted, chauvanistic, racist, rapist who has illustrated for approximately 60 years that he ONLY serves himself. I feel perfectly confident stating that, and I also feel perfectly comfortable saying that the dumpster fire which will continue for the next 3+ years is entirely THEIR fault. They can go fuck themselves; every last one.

    74. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton was self serving in a less publicly destructive manner. As in, her policies were less likely to negatively impact the majority of the people in this country. The buffoon in charge right now has illustrated with nearly every decision that he doesn't give two flagrant fucks about the public, only about creating dissent and causing pain.

    75. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Lots of elements within the US government are against the current administration in some way or another - many resigned (including that guy who wrote a letter the first characters in the paragraphs of which spell "impeach"), some were fired by the Trump administration (most famously James Comey), but most likely are just in there. Especially in the defense establishment. But don't worry, he seems to be mosly reigned in by his general handlers (Kelly, Mattis) with the undesirable influences (e.g. Bannon) removed.
      2. I don't believe any of those actually lied: Most statements are actually by the press (WashPost, NYT etc.) ; and those statements we have seen are "we have concluded" or "we believe". There may have been actual lies but the mainstream media doesn't even need those to get the job done.
      3. Accounts geo-located in Moscow and claiming to be from the west are "evidence" of Russian meddling in US elections in the sense that living in the same country as someone is evidence of being the person who murdered him. Its not that it's entirely non-evidence, but it is so weak that it does not merit mentioning. Hint: You'd likely find Facebook accounts pretending to be Russian while actually being active during Washington office hours.

    76. Re:The strategy is obvious by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      This should not be modded troll. It actually addresses a crucial question: where's the meat? When an authoritative report supports a claim one should think twice. But that is also what good journalists should do: challenge the report. They do it, mostly outside of the mainstream, sometimes in it. And the report is very weak and does not represent the intelligence community to the extent it claims. One recent analysis is from Scott Ritter: https://consortiumnews.com/201... .

      So one can say the FBI, CIA, NSA are not really 'in' but the chiefs of FBI and CIA are. The(now former) DNI predictably is , that's James Clapper. NSA chief is not in. NSA assessment listed in the report is 'moderate'. That means 'it's possible'. And they're the experts. So they're being polite. Coincidentally Clapper has asked for replacement of the NSA chief.

      I'm uncomfortable with the designation 'conspiracy theory'. I would call it a negotiated position. A lot of people want to get rid of Trump, and some of them for very good reasons. Russiagate is the solution that's offered (originally by the Clinton team). What do you do? Go for truth?
      I'd go for truth for multiple reasons. One reason is that I think concern for truth has dropped to dangerously low levels. And another is that I think the offer of Russiagate is a bad deal. It satisfies the hawks, and it may even lead to the warmongers leading with Trump still in place.

      Now one still can judge a story like the Pokemon one independently. This one appears to be built on nothing but it's written because Russiagate leads and it becomes big news because the headline specialists need to beef it up a bit to make it sell. Because everyone just reads headlines there's a constant feeling of 'my god it's even worse than we thought'.

    77. Re:The strategy is obvious by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      The fact that it is modded troll pretty much confirms that it's a bullshit conspiracy theory. If there was any truth to it there would be no need to abuse the moderation system to support it.

      It's like blasphemy laws. Ideas so flimsy that counter arguments need to be banned.

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    78. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you realize of cheap it is for professional trolls to cover a lot of pages?
      You just write the post and push it to your list of forums.
      It is pretty safe to assume that there will be shill-posts on Slashdot too.

    79. Re:The strategy is obvious by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Talking about flimsy arguments, that's one. As is the leading article of the topic. I've been modded troll as well for all the wrong reasons.

      As I said, it's reasonable to just go with the authoritative statements of the CIA. And sometimes that means you're wrong. This is one of those times. I gave you one solid link. You think I should have given you twenty to make an impression?
      You think any major paper will stick their neck out and say the whole Russiagate thing(which is a whole set of accusations) is bullshit? They'll instantly be accused of being Russia stooges. But if they just publish everything about Russiagate they'll be sure everyone gobbles it up. Difficult choice..

    80. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, in your view, the very fact that they exist at all muddies the waters sufficiently to make them responsible for influencing, in some way, your internal political affairs? Sounds absurd to me.

    81. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see: You imply stupidity by complaining about irony while carefully avoiding the fact that his observation is accurate.If there's irony involved and you fail to illustrate why, then you're just dishing exactly the sort of patronizing snark that the GP was talking about. In effect, you've just made his point all the more astute. Then you attack him (not the point he's illustrating) by suggesting that he's using lazy rhetorical devices (you know, the thing YOU just did), again instead of even mentioning anything having to do with the subject matter. So, yeah. You've done nothing BUT attack the OP, and stay away from the substance. And now you're being defensive about it instead of taking the opportunity to, say, explain why you think the Democrats AREN'T shameless, disingenuous, hypocritical promoters and exploiters of identity politics.

      I feel that you have totally missed the point and have chosen to be offended to order to give you license to go off on a rant about my perceived failings as well as take a swipe at the Democrats in the same process. So let me explain my original post in simple words for you.

      The OP used a pejorative to illustrate that it was the other side that is divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting. Rather than arguing that fact, the OP then *did* rely on logical fallacies to try and "win" the argument.

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    82. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You had me going there until you called Trump a rapist. The closest thing to they could find against Trump's sex life was that "locker room" comment where he was expressing disbelief at how female groupies would literally let you grab them by the pussy just because you're famous. That might be rude and crude, but that is not rape.

      Now take Bill Clinton on the other hand... That guy has had more sexual misconducts than hairs on his chin, yet you democrats denigrate Trump for simply talking about grabbing pussy? So retarded.

    83. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When reading the above bullshit, please keep in mind that the efforts of paid trolls to fuck up American politics haven't stopped.

    84. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that only white folks can be "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic"? That's pretty racist of you.

    85. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm saying whenever a leftist uses words like "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic" they're code words meaning "white Christian." Make no mistake, Hillary meant that your average white Christian is "deplorable." It's her that's using those words to mean "white," not me.

    86. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have serious logic AND persecution problems.

      Plus you are quite stupid so he is right.

    87. Re: The strategy is obvious by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

  4. it begins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blacky, I choose you!

  5. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is simply the Russian's exploitation of liberal campaigns that are inherently divisive to begin with. The liberals are unwitting helpers.

  6. It's just the dems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    ...laying blame for their race war on Russia. Fake news is fake.

    Next they're going to say Russia mind controlled Hillary and made her call half the country deplorable.

    1. Re:It's just the dems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next they're going to say Russia mind controlled Hillary and made her call half the country deplorable.

      You can not control that which does not exist. :-)

      How is this news for nerds anyhow?

    2. Re:It's just the dems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...laying blame for their race war on Russia. Fake news is fake.

      Next they're going to say Russia mind controlled Hillary and made her call half the country deplorable.

      And ladies and gentlemen is the reason I do not discuss politics with average people. People are so misinformed that they don't even know it. And form what I see here, present company included - that's all of you Slashdotters.

    3. Re:It's just the dems... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Which is just you resorting to lazy ad hominem and not addressing the substance of the matter. Lazy, intellectual cowardice.

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    4. Re:It's just the dems... by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

      Next they're going to say Russia mind controlled Hillary and made her call half the country deplorable.

      Actual quote: "...you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables."

      • 60.2% of eligible voters cast a vote in the 2016 presidential election.
      • Trump received 45.9% of the votes cast.
      • 27.6% of the eligible voting population voted for Trump.
      • 27.6% / 2 = 13.8%.

      (Source: Dylan Cutler's answer to What percentage of eligible voters voted for Trump?)

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    5. Re:It's just the dems... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another russian troll. How is your day, comrade?

  7. HOW?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The thing about Pokemon GO is that you have almost no interaction with other players. They didn't add raids until this year, meaning that at the time, literally the only interaction you had with other players was by attacking a gym held by an opposing team or adding a lure to a gym. Nothing else you did effected anything that anyone else was doing. There remains no way to talk to other players in-game. No way to see other players. No way to see if anyone is near you.

    This story makes absolutely no sense. You can't interact with other players and other players names only show up in very limited circumstances and are otherwise meaningless. Besides, Russia doesn't need to do anything to make Black Lives Matter "inflame racial tensions," that's literally the purpose of the movement itself.

    1. Re: HOW?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no reason to talk to other players 'in game.' If you are in a location playing the game, players you can interact with are right there to talk to in real life. Which many of us have done. Some of us even have new friends we've met that way. Unlike many other online games where you 'chat' with people you will almost certainly never meet, even if they live right in the same town.

  8. When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... Realize that the MSM(ratings), politicians(votes) and external forces(espionage) are at place to cause anger? The common American goes about their day, trying to earn enough to provide for their loved ones. But the left is eating up anything and everything divisive, projecting all kinds of ill will towards anyone who has a differing opinion - SO MUCH SO, that a person who should not be the president of the US, IS the president of the US, because there was no other choice.

    And what has happened since the US election? The left has double downed on portraying any and all who don't think exactly as they do, as misogynists(oh the irony there) and racists(check out the founding and core of the Democratic party for the TRUE racists.

    Pushing people so far will yield someone who is not afraid to push back, and that was who was elected - the only person is not afraid to push back against all the crap that is constantly slung against the right.

    Keep on looking down your nose at fly over country, and this will NOT get any better. In fact, it will get MUCH worse.

    *Please done take this as the right is perfect, because I am greatly saddened that Trump can't act like an adult. He had the perfect opportunity, and has done nothing but blow it.

    1. Re:When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's a Good Thing that Russian Shills haven't infected Slashdot...fortunately, nobody here would be fooled by foreign anonymous cowards inflaming partisan invective...

    2. Re:When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW!!! You alt right girls are the most delicate of flowers... ohmygod!!! The CNNMSMHILLARY monster is sooooooo mean to you!!! Jesus how do you get out of bed every day???

      This is one of the dumber attempts to cover for one's own bigotry and idiocy that I have seen in at least an hour. Are you gonna be ok?? Do you need help finding your safespace?

    3. Re:When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you keep reiterating the "left vs right" narrative, you've already lost your freedoms and values.

      It's stupid. Trump-level stupid.

      Captcha: emergent

    4. Re:When will the left ... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      He speaks the truth! I mean, why else would he post as Anonymous Koward Comrade?

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    5. Re:When will the left ... by quantaman · · Score: 2

      ... Realize that the MSM(ratings), politicians(votes) and external forces(espionage) are at place to cause anger? The common American goes about their day, trying to earn enough to provide for their loved ones. But the left is eating up anything and everything divisive, projecting all kinds of ill will towards anyone who has a differing opinion

      You do remember the years of insisting that the first black president was not American and was a secret Muslim? The insane conspiracy theories claiming that illegal immigrants were voting and stealing elections. Claims that scientists were part of some bizarre global warming conspiracy? Treating gay and transgendered people like second class citizens.

      These aren't fringe ideas from the right. These are right in the main-stream of the Republican party.

      SO MUCH SO, that a person who should not be the president of the US, IS the president of the US, because there was no other choice.

      On the Republican side, no, there wasn't a lot of choice. The sad reality of GOP primary was that their best realistic choice might have been Jeb Bush.

      The runner up (Ted Cruz) almost drove the US into bankruptcy as a PR stunt.

      Clinton wasn't a great candidate, but she wasn't that bad either. The underlying flaws for which she was vilified (special rules because she's the boss) are pretty much standard practice for politicians. It's disappointing she wasn't better but she wasn't an outlier, the GOP just realized that if they just keep repeating that something is inexcusable that a certain percentage of the public will believe them.

      And what has happened since the US election? The left has double downed on portraying any and all who don't think exactly as they do, as misogynists(oh the irony there) and racists(check out the founding and core of the Democratic party for the TRUE racists.

      Pushing people so far will yield someone who is not afraid to push back, and that was who was elected - the only person is not afraid to push back against all the crap that is constantly slung against the right.

      Keep on looking down your nose at fly over country, and this will NOT get any better. In fact, it will get MUCH worse.

      I'm sorry that powerful men will insist you grant them sexual favours if you want to succeed in your career.... oh sorry that's women.

      I'm sorry that you're subject to constant police harassment and no one seems to give a damn... oh sorry that's black people.

      I'm sorry that your feelings are mildly hurt now that people are finally calling you out on some of your BS.

      *Please done take this as the right is perfect, because I am greatly saddened that Trump can't act like an adult. He had the perfect opportunity, and has done nothing but blow it.

      You were bound to be disappointed. The GOP has a better alternative to Obamacare, massive tax cuts for the rich will reduce the deficit, banning Muslims will eliminate terrorism, the Iranian nuclear deal was a bad deal, etc, etc.

      These are all thing the GOP elites sold to their base to win elections but generally didn't believe themselves. This irritated the base since the policy didn't match the rhetoric.

      Trump won the primary because he actually did believe the the lies, so his policies did match his rhetoric.

      That's why you were bound to be disappointed, because someone so incompetent that they can't see the con even while they're a candidate is someone too incompetent to govern.

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    6. Re:When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is there this groupthink that shills would use AC accounts when ACs aren't trusted to begin with! Even amateurs would and do register an account, buy one, or just crack an abandoned one by going through old email/password leaks with similar names.

      Clearly any account will be more effective at shilling and astroturfing than an AC to the point where a shill AC from a nation-state might as well not exist.

  9. Evil Russia Meme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    herp derp

  10. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The desperation of CNN... just smells sweeter every day!

    Man, really! Unfortunately, it has everybody fixated. The hysteria has infected every facet of mass media. Russia is an adversary to be sure, but if their "interference" had so much effect on the the vote, what does that say about all the simple minded idiots who believe the bullshit? I mean, look closely at Trump/Clinton/Congress/etc, and look even more closely at why the fuck anybody would vote for them. We do indeed have a very representative government. It truly reflects all of our deepest desires, or vice versa. Either way, the power to change can only come from us. Presently we are headed off the cliff. We either go along or not. Our choice. What will *we the people* do? Are we really going to let the accuweather guy lead NOAA into the abyss? Or are we going to keep jerking off over Russia?

  11. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia has done in the U.S. what U.S. had been doing in other countries for decades - influencing a foreign country's domestic policy according to their own interests. I am just not sure what rules apply there - am I supposed to condemn them for this? Or is it allowed only as long as they don't catch you? Or is it allowed only if it's done by the good guys, not the Russian boogeymen? The irony is, that they've done it using U.S. companies and their greed for advertisement money.

    On a different topic - I am really surprised how racist the U.S. is, the country I used to perceive as a dreamland of freedom, human rights and equal opportunities. All of that degenerated into SJW madness and LGBTQ+ craziness (don't get me wrong, I am all up for them having all rights like any other citizen, I am just sick of their constant weeping and attention whoring), while some basic freedoms are fundamentally broken.

    Disclaimer: I have no connections to any russian 'trolls' or anything russian, never been in that country, while I visited the U.S. a couple times. If I had to choose, I'd rather live in the U.S. than Russia, I am just annoyed that I am pressed to choose sides because that is what the current relations are evolving to.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a different topic - I am really surprised how racist the U.S. is, the country I used to perceive as a dreamland of freedom, human rights and equal opportunities.

      What caused that perception in the first place? American propaganda? The US has been pretty shitty regarding freedom, human rights and equal opportunities compared to the rest of the Western world for many decades and increasingly so.

  12. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russian babes are hot.......

  13. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and they put out...which is more than you can say for the Americans...

  14. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    c'mone ladies, it is your patriotic duty! Oh hang on, this is Slashdot nm then!

  15. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does CNN have to do with Russia's campaigns in the US?

  16. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we now have an SJW=Russia talking point to try and rile up the right against Russia?

    No. This is not reported very well in the summary (shocking, I know), but the idea was to rile up the right against Black Live Matters.

  17. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I can't believe that anyone would consider anything on CNN worthy of any use. The only thing I did do is setup a cron job to use curl to see my entropy pool from CNN's homepage[*]. That's about the only use of those bits!

    I used to use Google's news aggregator but even that became insanely left-biased so I just stopped with it. I would change my preferences to not show certain sites and Google clearly had a bias for ignoring those settings.

    [*] No, I didn't really do this. It's a joke.

  18. Russia points out racial issues in the US... by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 2

    ... so must be trying to destroy the American way of Life clearly! /s

    1. Re:Russia points out racial issues in the US... by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      Reinforcing phony narratives isn't "pointing out racial issues..."

      They spotted the gullible media willingness to swallow the "hands up, don't shoot" fiction at face value, and leveraged it to further coarsen our political culture. Simple as that. They want discord, because it helps distract from their criminality. The fake BLM-style narrative is a perfect bit of leverage to that end.

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    2. Re:Russia points out racial issues in the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tons of russian trolls out here providing cover. How are you, comrade?

    3. Re:Russia points out racial issues in the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    4. Re:Russia points out racial issues in the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is not Russians doing it. The problem is the two faced pretentious US culture being so easy target. Ok so yes, Russia is behaving like a bully, hitting US in its soft spots. But why have the soft spots to begin with?

      If US really were the bastion of freedom it pretends, Russia's jab would not have gone through. But because US, like Russia, is so thoroughly corrupted crap hole with the ingenious self hubris to top it off, it is only too easy to expose the two facedness of US.

      It takes one to know one.

  19. You all just loved Russia when they were flat out honest to goodness murderous communists.

    1. Re:dang by PPH · · Score: 2

      Seriously this.

      The saddest day in boardrooms of the major military-industrial suppliers was when the Eastern Bloc collapsed. They knew that the evil USSR was their primary justification for increased budgets and profits. I wouldn't be surprised if they negotiated with Soviet generals. 'We build a supersonic bomber and you can go to your committee and fund a supersonic interceptor. More jobs for everyone!'

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    2. Re:dang by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      I'm a Russian, and I never murdered anyone. So you can stop loving me now. Truth is more important than love, so I won't pretend to be a murderer :P

    3. Re:dang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Truth is more important to americans. To some other people more important is what works. And there are yet other people who place most value on stuff that _seems_ to work.

      truth != working != appears working

  20. Coffee machine broke this morning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn it Russia!!!!!

  21. Re:Liberal = Peak stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget the most crazy thing: They seem to always side with an ideology that is the polar opposite of what they stand for: Islam. I'm not sure how you can be pro-gay, pro-feminist and pro-religion that want's to throw the other groups off a roof.

  22. Re: Liberal = Peak stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot voting for Wall Street as soon as they left their Occupy Wall Street rally.

  23. anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If so you should send me your money before some Nigerian prince steals it from you. The story went from Russia hacking servers and emails, to Russia colluding with Trump, and now we're down to talking about Pokemon and Facebook ads. But Russiagaters have to keep talking about this - if they stop, they'd have to admit they were a million megatons of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.

    https://consortiumnews.com/201...

    1. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually the evidence is mounting. This article has a good summary with plenty of links: https://www.theguardian.com/us...

      I find this report by the Director of National Intelligence particularly interesting: https://www.dni.gov/files/docu...

      We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trumpâ(TM)s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment;NSA has moderate confidence.

      Moscowâ(TM)s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operationsâ"such as cyber activityâ"with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid socialmedia users or âoetrolls.â

      The extent to which Trump was involved in this has yet to be determined. The investigation is on-going. It seems that some of his staff did meet with people working for the Russian government and communicated with them in other ways, but to be fair that in itself isn't proof of actual collusion. Trump and his team may well be victims of Russian government manipulation too. It certainly undermines his victory.

      We don't know the full extent of this for some time, and even then the way Trump has interfered with the investigation means that any conclusions are unlikely to be accepted now.

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    2. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump and his team may well be victims of Russian government manipulation too. It certainly undermines his victory.

      We don't know the full extent of this for some time, and even then the way Trump has interfered with the investigation means that any conclusions are unlikely to be accepted now.

      Not a puppet! not a puppet!

    3. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh-huh. "Mounting evidence."

      First it was that Russia hacked election machines to make Trump win. Turns out, fake news.
      Then it was that Trump had direct meetings with Russians. Turns out, fake news.
      Then it was that Trump campaign staffers had direct meetings with Russians. Turns out, fake news.
      Then it was that Trump had direct email exchanges with Russians. Turns out, fake news.
      Then it was that Russia merely bought Facebook ads. Turns out, fake news.
      Now it's that Russian used Pokemon GO to someone stir up unrest. I shouldn't even have to point out this is fake news because it's so unhinged.

    4. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      If so you should send me your money before some Nigerian prince steals it from you. The story went from Russia hacking servers and emails, to Russia colluding with Trump, and now we're down to talking about Pokemon and Facebook ads. But Russiagaters have to keep talking about this - if they stop, they'd have to admit they were a million megatons of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.

      https://consortiumnews.com/201...

      Yeah... the story isn't actually changing, there's just more chapters.

      It's like how when a new woman comes out and accuses Harvey Weinstien of assaulting her people don't go "wait, I thought the story was that Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted 20 women, now it's claimed he assaulted 21??? The story is changing!! It's all bullshit!!!"

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    5. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yeah... the story isn't actually changing, there's just more chapters.

      Of course the story is changing - otherwise they'd be talking about how Boris Yanchecov, Russian FSB agent personally gave a thumb drive to Jared Kushner with DNC emails to leak to Fox News and now asking Trump to resign. Not talking about $5000 in Google ads purchased out of Google's $70 billion in annual ad revenue.

      But that's not happening, because the entire hysteria was deranged partisan bullshit from the beginning.

      It's like how when a new woman comes out and accuses Harvey Weinstien

      No. It's not like that. Not even remotely close. So let's fix your analogy.....Russiagate would be like Harvey Weinstein if and only if:

      1) Weinstein was accused of sexually assaulting women - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      2) Then, Weinstein was accused of sexually harassing women - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      3) Then, Weinstein was accused of making a pass at a woman who was not his wife - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      4) Then, Weinstein was accused of making sexist comments about women - and those claims were completely false
      5) Then, Weinstein was accused of sexism because he casts attractive women in Weinstein movies and had a copy of Cosmo sitting on a table in his office - meaning the witch hunters have passed Peak Bullshit in trying to attack him

      But Weinstein is of course a womanizing creep, and your attempted analogy of course is complete bullshit.

    6. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are different stories. Russian hacking, collusion with Trump, and other trolling techniques like this are three distinct strands. What is your problem with seeing them reported independently, as they come to light?

    7. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Those are different stories.

      And Whitewater was a different story from Vince Foster - but they were both parts of the same deranged partisan witch hunt. Now Democrats have decided it's their turn to engage in hysterical bullshit to avoid talking about just how much and how hard their party sucks.

      What is your problem with seeing them reported independently, as they come to light?

      Read up on witch hunts and the complete lack of evidence for any of the Russiagate theories and you'll have the answer to your question.

  24. comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The comments of this thread indicate how deep the brain washing goes on the right, and it demonstrates just how powerful manipulation of the media really is.

    Look at the staggering levels of incompetence and corruption in the current administration, and tell me you weren't played. And keep in mind, if you're saying you were NOT manipulated by right-wing media, then you actually are stupid enough to vote for a complete ass clown like trump. Either way, it's a no-win scenario for republicans and conservatives. Your president is done, and your brand is over.

  25. In Post-Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pokemon Go plays YOU!

  26. Re:Wait? by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 0

    So since the Trump=Russia narrative failed, we now have an SJW=Russia talking point to try and rile up the right against Russia?

    It did not fail. The investigations are ongoing.
    Why are you so dismissive about this subject? Wouldn't you want to know if a foreign entity that is not the friend of the US and the west in general is interfering in your country's politics? Wouldn't you be concerned about possible collusion between the White House and an authoritarian country that actively fights against western values on multiple fronts?

  27. But they haven't by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    Russia has done in the U.S.

    Russia hasn't done shit. Bush's mistake back in 2003 was in trying to provide evidence (all of which was fake) that Saddam planned 911 and was pursuing nuclear weapons. If he only knew he could have skipped that whole sending Powell to the UN and providing satellite photos, and just told a tall tale with no evidence whatsoever. Because people would eat it up with a spoon.

  28. Re:Wait? by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    Yes Iâ(TM)d like to know if that happened. I would also like to know if Hillary Clinton is actually an alien from a far away galaxy. Wouldnâ(TM)t you like to know if that was the case? Or do you not care about your country or democracy? She was a sitting senator, after all, and ran for the highest seat in the land, with millions of people voting for her (many of them citizens!). If an alien from a far away galaxy were able to infiltrate our demoracy to that extent, I hope we would all want to know about it.

  29. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a failed investigation. They haven't landed any lunkers yet, and in fact are running out of bait and thinking it's time to move the boat (again!) to a new spot in the lake.

  30. Who you talking "left", Kemosabe? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    It's right wing Democrats who keep fucking the Russian chicken, though they've been reduced to talking about Pokemon and Russian internet ads (many of which came AFTER the election, and one of which was for a documentary attacking a Trump golf course). They clutch onto that raft so they don't have to admit they nominated an even worse candidate than Trump to run for the presidency.

    And before the Russian chicken came a long, right-wing Democrats were fucking the "white male privilege" chicken with abandon, ever since Obama clinched the primary in 2008. Because right-wing Democrats are just as happy as right-wing Republicans to keep people divided on race when they should be uniting on class.

  31. Re:How to seriously damage Russia by king+neckbeard · · Score: 0

    Wouldn't a more effective long-term method of undermining Russia's economy be to spread renewables? Yeah, we can temporarily undermine them with a glut, but we would be ultimately creating a disincentive to actual energy independence.

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  32. Re: Liberal = Peak stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are righ man - I was an SJW but now thanks to your posts I get it - Trump is AWESOME and so is the Republican Party - I love Trumps head fake by appointing Goldman Sachs to the treasury, Wall Street just thinks Trump is on their side with the tax breaks and gutting the EPA - he put a fossil fuel executive in charge! Crazy like a fox! And now I hear he is into alt-science - way to stick it to those stuck up eggheads! What has science ever done for us anyway? I sure hope he can get rid of Obamacare so we go back to the days when insurance was cheap and easy to get- and I really hope now he sticks it to North Korea - what a whack job! Nuke him!

  33. spread renewables? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took a century to spread non-renewables and even at that, there are still places in the world that cook with cow poop.

    1. Re:spread renewables? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and in that century, we didn't have the infrastructure for global shipping and communication. We're talking about ramping up production of a natural resource, whose production and usage is quite bad for the environment, in order to undermine an economic foe. This is clearly not a good long term plan, when a concentrated effort to make that gas worthless forever is also going to be better ecologically.

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  34. The obvious counter strategy ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... to defeat this Russian plot would be to patch up racial differences. We can start by identifying their operatives in this country who work against this goal and deal with them harshly. Where is HUAC when we need them?

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  35. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if that's the game it will backfire hard. As some one on the right I don't see Russia as the threat these SJW groups that are actively using terrorist tactics like BLM and Antifa are. These people need to be classified as the terrorists they are and people voluntarily contributing money and partipating in these riots need to be charged. Hopefully convicted and imprisoned for s long time after. Fortunately my team controls most of the AGs right now. We will just demand more of left be prosecuted, every felony conviction is one less Idiot voting

  36. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh please. The idea was to throw more fire on the easily triggered left, so they get even more irrational.

    Sorry that these revelations bust your Trump=Russia narrative. Better run to a safe space and call everyone not toting the party line, a racist mysoginist along the way.

  37. You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to send me your life savings?

    Actually the hysteria is mounting.

    Fixed that for you.

    The Russian's hacked power plants storyline was bullshit.
    CrowdStrike is bullshit.
    The "17 intelligence agencies" line was bullshit.
    The Russia hacked election systems is bullshit.

    find this report by the Director of National Intelligence particularly interesting

    Sure, lets look at this - while remembering the FBI wasn't allowed to examine the DNC servers so how exactly would they have "high confidence" in any thing - but this time noting the weasel words:

    We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump's election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

    Zero evidence provided, only claims and accusations. Well guess what Chem Trailers, Sandy Hook Truthers and Birthers have? Claims and accusations.

    Then there's the fact the entire "Russia wanted Trump to win so hacked the election" makes no sense whatsoever. The election was Hillary's to lose, right up until she picked Tim Kaine as her running mate and decided to skip campaigning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. So according to the storyline, Putin was crafty enough to dig up dirt on Hillary (which was all true) but dumb enough to collude with someone as dumb as Trump. Which means the CIA, NSA & FBI would know all about it. Which meant Hillary would too, who had already campaigned on shooting down Russian jets in Syria. So what's really going on?

    The entire "Russian hacking" storyline is nothing but Swiftboating from Clinton supporters, as she was the candidate who engaged in corrupt collusion with Russian interests to sell a fifth of America's uranium.

    And you can skip that Snopes link that handwaives away Hillary's culpability for a number of reasons:
    1) Access is corruption
    2) Avoiding the appearance of impropriety applies to politicians, not just judges
    3) Her own campaign was warned internally that the deal was a political liability for her
    4) Hillary flat-out broke her confirmation promises on keeping a wall between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation

    At this point, Chem Trailing anti-vaxxer Birther Sandy Hook Truthers have more respectability than Russiagaters.

    1. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does the DNC emails have to do with Russian inference? Your entire argument seems to be that because you found some fake thing everything else no matter how unrelated must also be fake.

      This seems to be a standard tactic of alternative fact peddlers. CNN made a mistake once, therefore everything they ever reported is fake news.

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    2. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by andydread · · Score: 1

      your non-rebuttal is strait out of the allies of right-wing propoganda. Try harder.

    3. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Strait"? "Allies"? You're clearly an illiterate moron, so nothing you say really matters.

    4. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What does the DNC emails have to do with Russian inference?

      Because we can read their emails and see that they planned this Russia nonsense a long time ago?

      Because the supposed "influence" is apparently supporting BLM now. If this is to be believed, YOU are part of the Russian influence... and by helping to divide America, you're deliberately playing into their hands. Worse, last I knew, you're not even American, so you're part of that nefarious "foreign influence"!

      Because nobody apparently cares about the Dems working with UK & other spies, or even spying on the Presidential candidate as long as they claim it was incidental. And you've gone back & forth on telling us it did or didn't happen so many times even Nixon would be confused.

      The list goes on and on,.

      And no, it's not "CNN made a mistake once" it's that CNN peddled utter BS they knew was a lie many times and did everything they could to mislead the public. It's not illegal to read Wikileaks and Cuomo has enough of a law education that he should know the media doesn't have special rights, that was pure, unabashed BS. They also rigged the debates. And the WaPo held clandestine fundraisers for the DNC that the DNC's own lawyers objected to.

      That sort of media collusion is why I assume that whatever they say is a lie until such time as they back it with verifiable facts.

    5. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does the DNC emails have to do with Russian inference?

      Are you....kidding? It's only the foundation for for the accusations that Russia tried to interfere with the election. No big whoop.

      Your entire argument seems to be that because you found everything to be fake everything else no matter how unrelated must also be fake.

      FTFY2.

      This seems to be a standard tactic of alternative fact peddlers. CNN made a mistake once, therefore everything they ever reported is fake news.

      Your projection is noted - Russiagate is the definition of fake news.

      Don't like that? Then come up with more evidence than what Birthers, Chem Trailers and Sandy Hook Truthers do to support their theories. Or admit you've turned into that cranky Uncle Bob on Facebook who insists to this day that Obama really was a Kenyan-born Muslim with a fake birth certificate.

      Eh.

      Veh.

      Dence.

    6. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      The foundation of the accusations about Russian interference are the FBI, CIA and NSA investigations of their activity on social media, funding and meeting with American citizens. It's all in that report, why don't you read it?

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    7. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The foundation of the accusations about Russian interference are the FBI, CIA and NSA investigations of their activity on social media, funding and meeting with American citizens.

      No. It's not. Not even remotely close. Whining about Social Media ads - many of which were placed after the election last November and someone of which involved cute pictures of cats or criticizing a Trump golf course in Scotland - is the last pathetic attempt of partisan hacks desperate to keep their edition of the Whtiewater/Vince Foster witch hunts going. Or didn't you notice the steady moving of the goalposts - from DNC hacking to collusion to $100,000 in ads (many of which were place after the election) in a race where Hillary spent $1.2 biiiiiiiillion dollars?

      It's all in that report, why don't you read it?

      You mean a report completely lacking in the aforementioned Eh Veh Dence from the same professional liars who sold you on Saddam plotting 911, who spy on Congress while perjuring themselves before Congress?

      Did you read the link noting that all this hyperventilation is over drops in an ocean?

      Say hi to Uncle Bob for me, as you've turned into a Birther: someone who skates right on by legitimate reasons to oppose a political opponent in favor of engaging in theories so bizarre they wouldn't make it onto Info Wars.

      And all so that the corporate Democrats that brought you Trump can make the conversation about Russia and not their epic fail, so they can maintain control and direction over the party. Might as take one of Uncle Bob's "4 more years!" sign and put it on your lawn. Right now.

    8. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how the left is all about foreign interference in our elections, caused by foreign provocateurs? AmiMoJo isn't American. He's British. He's literally doing exactly what he's accusing Russia of doing: using social media in an attempt to influence public opinion. Feel free to ignore him, he has no insight into US politics.

    9. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Yeah okay, they are all liars, blah blah. Do you have any actual evidence though? I mean, in the case of Iraq there was strong evidence even at the time that it was bullshit, but here there appears to be zero.

      I mean, if there was any evidence then why hasn't Trump done anything with it? Why doesn't he fire the people behind this conspiracy against him, or start an investigation into it as he threatened to do with Hilary?

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    10. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      You mean a report completely lacking in the aforementioned Eh Veh Dence from the same professional liars who sold you on Saddam plotting 911

      You gotta love the right, misrepresent evidence from the CIA to justify a war, then point your previous deception as reason to doubt evidence of your latest misdeeds.

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    11. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Do you have any actual evidence though? I mean, in the case of Iraq there was strong evidence even at the time that it was bullshit, but here there appears to be zero

      I no more need to provide evidence that Russia did not hack the election than you need to provide evidence that you did not build a time machine to go back and assassinate Abraham Lincoln.

      1) You cannot prove a negative
      2) It's the job of the person making the claim to provide the evidence

      And so far Russiagates have as much evidence as the people who think jet trails are being used to seed the atmosphere with mind-controlling gas.

      Why doesn't he fire the people behind this conspiracy against him

      Where you backpacking in Nepal when people were throwing around Nixon comparisons and obstruction of justices charges when Trump fired Comey? Just what do you think will be the media response if Trump fires Ken Starr, I mean Robert Muller?

    12. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You gotta love the right, misrepresent evidence from the CIA to justify a war, then point your previous deception as reason to doubt evidence of your latest misdeeds.

      You're 0 for 3. Care to back up and try again, but reading this time?

    13. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well there is evidence that Russia did interfere with the election, some presented in that report and some from other sources... So yeah, you do need to provide evidence that it never happened and explain why major US government agencies are lying about it.

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    14. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Well there is evidence

      You're really struggling with this "evidence" concept, aren't you? Accusations, assertions and innuendos are not evidence....Birther.

    15. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, the members of the joint intelligence committee and the various members of congress who have seen the evidence are lying about it existing.

      Here's a question: have you seen any evidence that OJ killed Nicole Simpson? You have? When? When did you see it, set eyes on it, rather than accept the word of various authorities from the media to the police to the courts that it actually existed?

      Yet you believe that, despite the fact OJ wasn't even found guilty. But numerous rival intelligence agencies say they have evidence, and you claim it's just "accusations, assertions, and innuendos." Yeah, right.

      FWIW, I have seen some of the evidence with my own eyes. I'd point you at it, but I don't need to, it's public, easily searchable for via Google, and... you're not going to accept it anyway.

    16. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That's some weak sauce, AC. Evidence against OJ was presented openly in a court of law. Whereas ZERO evidence has been presented ANYWHERE that Russia did jack or shit last year.

      Right, the members of the joint intelligence committee and the various members of congress who have seen the evidence are lying about it existing

      You mean the people that spy on Congress while perjuring themselves before Congress? The same people that lied to you about Iraq, Libya and Syria?

      Cashiers check or PayPal. I'm waiting.

  38. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly there are idiots dense enough to fall for rubbish like this. Russia may be architecting a massive, complex plot but these CNN clowns lost me when they involved Pokemon. Surely the Russians can do better than that.

  39. responsible narrative by epine · · Score: 1

    fake russia-gate narrative is reaching absurdist proportions

    Hmmm, "is reaching". Passive verb phrase anchoring your lead sentence.

    As Pinker points out in more than one book, the principle advantage of the passive voice is to avoid naming the subject conducting the action.

    The subject of your sentence is "fake russia-gate narrative", which in this construction effectively behaves as topic, not subject. And it's already wrong, because "-gate" is a suffix that principally denotes criminal coverup (Nixon's more serious crime). Not a single item in your list concerns any kind of cover up (though a few that might warrant a cover up).

    Does your adjective "fake" then apply to your misapplication of "-gate"? Well, it could, but it probably doesn't, as most readers would sort your intent here.

    If there wasn't the possibility here of criminal collusion with the Russians on the part of several tight-lipped members of the Trump family (Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner) and prominent tight-lipped officials within the Trump administration (in the first row, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and Michael T. Flynn; in the second row Roger Stone, Rick Dearborn, George Papadopoulos, and Wilbur Ross; in the third row, Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer via Cambridge Analytica) this would not be a "gate" narrative whatsoever.

    I use the modifier "tight-lipped" because—despite norms and procedures designed to strongly encourage or legally require full disclosure concerning interactions with foreign nationals—we had to learn about these connections the hard way in almost every case.

    Who, then, is the subject engaged in spinning this "fake russia-gate narrative" willfully elided from your opening sentence?

    It is nearly a universal principle of tradecraft that no narrative about anything important is allowed to exist uncorrupted. If the opposing interests don't corrupt it automatically in the normal course of events, then interests benefitting from a general climate of less clarity are sure to step into the breach.

    All joint narratives are fake narratives. To discriminate the true from the false, the valid from the invalid, one has to break some eggs.

    Nameless eggs, in your case.

    The vast majority of responsible news reporting has operated since the beginning on the heuristic of "where there's smoke, there's fire". Usually a hunch or vague suspicion precedes discovery of a smoking gun. Maddow bends over backwards to frame "smoke" stories in language such as "what this would seem to suggest". Like the Y Combinator, a fair number of these early smoke stories graduated to attain full unicorn status—and loving it.

    The main exception to this rule are the more "salacious" aspects of the Steele dossier. Short of serving a subpoena to the Kremlin, these wilder allegations from the standard-issue shit stew of raw intelligence will probably remain unconfirmed. Colbert is by far the worst offender here, leaning on the pee tapes over and over again for cheap laughs, despite this having the least prospect of demonstrated credibility. Whenever the dossier comes up, Maddow keeps repeating "and other salacious allegations" and then refuses to go there.

    Next, the whole point of the Mueller investigation is to assign responsibility where responsibility belongs, despite certain cretins fervently wishing otherwise.

    Non-fake narrative (subtype "gate"): a worrisome number of people in the Trump administration had ties to Russia which they systematically concealed, criminally concealed, downplayed, covered up, neglected to recall, or lied about. Once discovered, most of these ties were directly confirmed by the person responsible. Snopes verdict: 100% confirmed.

    Non-fake narrative (subtype "tradecraft"): the Russians are engaged in a global disinformation strategy to undermine democratic norms and thereby weaken their democratic adversaries. Snopes verdict: W

    1. Re:responsible narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fake russia-gate narrative is reaching absurdist proportions

      Hmmm, "is reaching". Passive verb phrase anchoring your lead sentence.

      ProTip: "is reaching" is very definitely 100% NOT a use of the passive voice.

    2. Re: responsible narrative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clinton and GWB had massive Business relations with Russia and Saudi Arabia.

  40. Glut by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't a more effective long-term method of undermining Russia's economy be to spread renewables? Yeah, we can temporarily undermine them with a glut, but we would be ultimately creating a disincentive to actual energy independence.

    Yes, but that's the point. 20-30 years out Europe will still be heavily dependent on natural gas. It needs time to get their power grid ready for a more distributed method of power generation. People will also need to retrofit gas burning heaters and utilities with electric.

    We can spin up natural gas production pretty quickly. The only major hurdle is building more LNG plants to ship the stuff.

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  41. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what failed? Your logic, bitch. That failed.

  42. Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    They now support the party that...

    Started a civil war to keep slavery
    Tried to prevent women from voting
    Tried to keep segregation in place
    Tried to prevent civil rights for blacks

    The parties traded places fifty years ago, dumbass. This is not news. And skip Robert Byrd as he spent the rest of his life apologizing for joining the Klan, as opposed to Republicans like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms who went to their graves as Dixiecrats.

    Protect sexual molesters because they donate money

    You mean right-wing corporate democrats whoring themselves out for money?

    1. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't. Robert Byrd, former KKK leader, was "mentor" of their latest presidential candidate and was a senior senator for them for 60 years. They ARE the party of bigots, anti-gay, anti-woman. They won't let gays or women speak in Berkley. They rape women and them blacklist/attack them if the women report it.

      DNC has literally become evil incarnate. I think the only thing they have left to do is literally RIG an election. Opps, they already did rig their primary.

      Is there anything immoral the DNC could do that you wouldn't defend them for? They are literally raping women and then blacklisting them from Hollywood if they report it. And you stand up for them?

      What a complete piece of shit you are.

    2. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but what about

      pro-gay, pro-feminist and pro-religion that want's to throw the other groups off a roof.

      ? That's the part I'm not getting.

    3. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Dunno, I skipped the parts that were completely incoherent.

    4. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      No they didn't. Robert Byrd

      Just can't help yourself, can you? Went ahead and fucked the Byrd chicken after that canard was prebutted.

      They ARE the party of bigots, anti-gay

      Yes, right-wing Democrats like Hillary "Superpredators" Clinton did oppose marriage equality right up until the Supreme Court made the point moot. It's why I rub those facts of Hillbots who Swiftboated their opponent Sanders for being weak on minorities.

      WYP?

      Is there anything immoral the DNC could do that you wouldn't defend them for?

      I'm a leftist, dumbass. The DNC organization can go die in a fire. They're right wing hacks like yourself - and I hear they have a position open for an IT worker. You have so much in common!

    5. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just can't help yourself, can you? Went ahead and fucked the Byrd chicken after that canard was prebutted.

      Yea, when you SUPPORT a KKK leader for 60 years, and then put up for president a candidate that calls him her "mentor", thats pretty much a solid clue they are the party that supports bigots.

      Remember, Trump was a bigot for not calling out white supremists by names for 48 hours. How bad is it that a party supported a KKK leader for 60 years? Liberals have gone full stupid, I'm only using your own arguments against you. 60 years > 48 hours by a LONG shot.

      DNC IS the party that supports bigots, period. You march with the bigots, you are a bigot. Congratulations on getting your own name calling thrown back at you, you fucking bigot.

    6. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Noble713 · · Score: 2

      I'm a leftist, dumbass. The DNC organization can go die in a fire. They're right wing hacks like yourself - and I hear they have a position open for an IT worker. You have so much in common!

      Speaking of which.....has anyone else noticed there hasn't been a SINGLE article on Slashdot about Imran Awan and his shenanigans as a Congressional IT staffer for some major Democrats? Is it just political bias amongst the /. editorial staff? BeauHD bends over backwards to bring us every negative thing about Trump while skipping over this equally-interesting (from the perspective of IT practices, opsec, and crime) story affecting the opposite party.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...

    7. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yea, when you SUPPORT a KKK leader for 60 years

      He wasn't a KKK leader for 60 years, you dumb fuck. He rejected the Klan in his twenties and spent the rest of his life apologizing for it and trying to help minorities - as opposed to Helms or Thurmond. Every time you try to keep making this thing happen - it's not going to happen - you make yourself look as moranic as the wingnuts who keep blaming Clinton for Ruby Ridge after it's been pointed out to them that happened before Clinton was even elected, when Bush was POTUS.

      Speaking of which..... Imran Awan

      Speaking of which, why haven't you applied yet? You're an incompetent right-winger and they're an incompetent right-wing organization. Hand, meet glove.

    8. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Edit: you're not the AC. That's what I get for trying to combine replies. AC, the rest still applies to you.

    9. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like I give a fuck what a bigot, misogynist, anti-gay, racist like you thinks of me.

      You have shown your support for KKK leaders, literally calling me names in defense of him. It has recently become obvious that if you are rich and powerful for the DNC, you rape women, and people like you line up to defend them. People like you are afraid of gays or women speaking at Berkley.

      But I'm supposed to be upset because you called me a name? I'm actually happy a bigot like you doesn't like me. You have gone full retard in defense of the undefendable. Have a good time at your next Klan meeting.

    10. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1
  43. Re:Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any decent American would be outrage, but 80% of republicans are stone cold traitors like Trump.

    Let's not forget that the main plank in the republican party's platform is to kill thousands of Americans with treatable illnesses by denying them health care.

    These same murderous traitors also intentionally sabotaged the economy during the Obama years with government shutdowns and other attacks on their own country.

    Don't expect these traitors to demonstrate an ounce of patriotism.

  44. Trump is going to prison for TREASON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Timeline of Treason

    Dec. 10, 2015
    Lt. Gen Michael Flynn is part of a panel discussion in Moscow for the 10th anniversary of government-backed Russia Today, for which he receives payment (The Washington Post, Aug. 15, 2016). Officials notice an increase in communication between Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, following the Russia Today event (CNN, May 19, 2017).

    Late 2015
    British intelligence agencies detect suspicious interactions between Russia and Trump aides that they pass on to American intelligence agencies (The Guardian, April 13, 2017).

    March 19, 2016
    Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta is sent an email that encourages him to change his email password, likely precipitating the hack of his account (CBS News, Oct. 28, 2016).

    March 21
    During an interview with The Post, Trump lists Carter Page as part of his foreign policy team. Page had been recommended by a son-in-law of President Richard Nixon, New York Republican Party Chairman Ed Cox (WP, March 21, 2016).

    March 28
    Political veteran Paul Manafort is hired to help the Trump campaign manage the delegate process for the Republican National Convention. He is recommended by Trump confidante Roger Stone (New York Times, March 28, 2016). Before joining the campaign, Manafort lobbied on behalf of Oleg Deripaska, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That deal followed a memo from Manafort in which he offered a plan that could "greatly benefit the Putin Government." His relationship with Deripaska ended in 2009 (Associated Press, March 22, 2017). Manafort also worked on behalf of the Russia-friendly Party of Regions in Ukraine, helping guide the party's leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to the country's presidency. Yanukovych would later be ousted. (WP, Aug. 19, 2016)

    April 27
    Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) may have met with Kislyak at a reception at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington before a foreign-policy speech given by Trump (CNN, May 31, 2017).

    June
    At a closed-door meeting of foreign policy experts and the prime minister of India, Page praises Putin effusively (WP, Aug. 5, 2016).

    June 9
    Donald Trump, Jr., Manafort and son-in-law Jared Kushner meet at Trump Tower with a Kremlin-connected attorney named Natalia Veselnitskaya. Veselnitskaya's efforts to reverse a law passed in 2012 sanctioning Russians suspected of human rights violations at some point drew the attention of the FBI. The meeting was not initially reported to the government by Kushner as required when he took a position with the administration (Times, July 8, 2017). After the meeting was originally reported, Trump, Jr. admitted that the pretext for the conversation was that he believed Veselnitskaya to have information incriminating Hillary Clinton (Times, July 9, 2017).

    June 15
    A hacker calling himself "Guccifer 2.0" releases the Democratic National Committee's research file on Donald Trump (Gawker, June 15, 2016). News reports already link the stolen data to Russian hackers (WP, June 14, 2016).

    July
    At some point this month, the FBI begins investigating possible links between the Russian government and Trump's campaign (Wired, March 20, 2017).

    July 7
    Page travels to Moscow to give a lecture (NYT, April 19, 2017). The Trump campaign approved the trip (USA Today, March 7, 2017). This trip was likely the catalyst for the FBI's request for a secret surveillance warrant to track PageÃs communications (WP, May 25, 2017).

    July 11 or 12
    Trump campaign staffers intervene with the committee developing the Republican Party's national security platform to remove language call arming Ukraine against Russian aggression. (July 18, 2016).

    July 18
    At an event hosted by the Heritage Foundation as part of the Republican National Convention, Sessions and Kislyak have a brief conversation (WP, March 2, 2017).

    Flynn delivers a speech at the Republican convention, joining in the crowd's "Lock her up!" chant. "If I, a guy who knows this business

  45. Media does it better by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Ruskies can learn a thing or two from US media on how best to "inflame racial tensions" for profit.

  46. Russia also allegedly spiking US water supply... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with dihydrogen monoxide!

  47. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, no, they can't. Russia is a shithole of epic proportions, and gave up competing a long time ago. Now they're just trying to drag other countries down to their level.

  48. Reality = Comedy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Headline could just as easily have been The Onion.

  49. Re:Trump is getting a second term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have just 2 words in response to your TL;DR bullshit:

    Fuck you.

  50. The "Russ" IRA ? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    It's like a Roth IRA, but...no wait, it still screws you in the end. Never mind.

  51. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This post desperately needs to be modded up

  52. Squirrell! by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    "Squirrel!" works for dogs.

    For Americans, it's: "Russians!".

    Welcome back to the 1950s, folks.

    --
    There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
    1. Re:Squirrell! by Mondor · · Score: 1

      So true. But people will always buy it. At least until the next big war, when they will sober for another 30-50 years.

  53. CNN said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is about as trustworthy as "this tumblr page said".

  54. Pull the other one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're getting desperate if they're blaming Pokémon now.