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Russia Reportedly Used Pokemon Go In an Effort To Inflame Racial Tensions (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Russia's far-ranging campaign to promote dissension in the United States reportedly included an effort to weaponize Pokemon Go. CNN reported that in July 2016, a Tumblr page linked to Russia's now-notorious Internet Research Agency promoted a contest encouraging people sympathetic to the Black Lives Matter movement to play the game near famous sites of police brutality. Players were told to change their characters' names to the victims of those incidents -- an apparent effort to inflame racial tensions. The Tumblr page was linked to Do Not Shoot Us, a multi-platform campaign designed to mimic aspects of Black Lives Matter. (As CNN notes, the name plays on "hands up, don't shoot," one of the movement's slogans.) Do Not Shoot Us included a website, donotshoot.us, along with related pages on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. The Facebook page was one of 470 pages that were removed after the company determined that it was linked to Russian groups attempting to interfere in US politics.

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  1. I heard... by burtosis · · Score: 1

    Wasn't the slogan they used "Pokemon go to the polls!"?

    1. Re:I heard... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I would love to have make public the conversation in the Kremlin about Pokemon Go and anything. It sounds like there's been some new staffing at the Kremlin. Given Putin's world orientation, and the average 20-something new-hire at the Kremlin; Putin is in for a major case of "Oh Shit! What Did They Do This Time?"

      For this I would view it on Pay-Per-View, and get my micro wave popcorn ready!

  2. The strategy is obvious by zzyzx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's less trying to promote one side or the other than a case of Let's You and Him Fight where they just try to get everyone so mad at each other than the US has trouble governing. Trolls are less about converting people (although it's great if they can) and more about making the other side think their views are so insane that they can't be reasoned with. It's all an attempt to get us into increasingly frustrated self selected bubbles and it does seem to be working. ...but maybe I'm just bitter because the Russians didn't offer me a Lapras for helping them. I mean if you're going to use Pokemon Go, use it!

    1. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trust me... It didn't take the Russians to be divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting.

      Liberal America did a great job of that without any prompting.

      The irony in your post is almost palpable.

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    2. Re:The strategy is obvious by zzyzx · · Score: 2

      I don't know of anyone who thinks we'd be holding hands and loving each other sans the bots. This is an existing problem otherwise they'd have nothing to work with. However, there is evidence for them existing (since they've traced the activity back to Russia) so denying that this is happening at all is equally naive.

    3. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree. The Democratic Party has made it clear that if you're a white male (or even just a white female who wants a normal life), they DO NOT want your vote.

      Fair enough. If they don't want me to vote for them, I will not vote for them. Ever.

      They've made themselves an actively toxic party. It's time for them to reap what they've sowed, and there's no need for Russian involvement for that to happen. There's a reason the Democrats control almost no local governments, and it has nothing to do with Russia.

    4. Re: The strategy is obvious by Vermonter · · Score: 1

      As much as the left has demonized the right, the right has demonized the left as well. Both sides are fully guilty of playing this game of making the other side looks absolutely insane, and people gladly do it because they think "well if the other side is crazy, that means I must be completely logical". And then they self-segregate on social media where they can be around people that agree with them.

      Want a challenge? Every day, check the news on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and NPR. You'd be amazed how clear your perspective is when you see something from multiple perspectives, even if some of those perspectives are horribly skewed.

      But hey, what do I know? I'm either a gay-hating, black-hating, Muslim-hating right wing bigot, or a white-hating, male-hating, Christian-hating left wing bigot. Seems like those are the only 2 options when taking a stance these days.

    5. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Funny

      Trust me... It didn't take the Russians to be divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting.

      Liberal America did a great job of that without any prompting.

      The irony in your post is almost palpable.

      Please show us a conservative campaign that the Russians exploited for purposes of divisiveness. Your response is telling, utter refusal to acknowledge reality.

      So you're doubling down with a Red Herring and a dash of Reductio Ad Absurdum? No surprise there.

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    6. Re:The strategy is obvious by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This isn't trolling, this is state intelligence level psi-ops and stirring up civil unrest in other countries. This is Russia subverting US politics (BLM is a political movement, seeking political change) and causing distrust and unrest among the population.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here. Look at how people post complaints about fake groups like "Antifa Boston", citing fake news articles. It's not even all Russia, a lot of it is just useful idiots who got suckered in and started generating their own fake news because they think that the "mainstream media" is lying to them.

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

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    7. Re:The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Are you saying the Russians also promoted Hillary?

      They didn't promote anybody. But they did work - as they have for decades - to simply muddy the waters, stir the pot, and attempt to instill division and antipathy across the board. They, like everyone else "official," had every expectation that Clinton would win - and their efforts were simply aimed at making that task as difficult as possible. Which is what they've always done, and also do throughout the world.

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    8. Re:The strategy is obvious by sittingnut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      there is evidence ... (since they've traced the activity back to Russia)

      in fact, there is no independently verifiable evidence.
      establishment authorities are making claims there is evidence and links, but no concrete details that can be checked independently.
      and even these claims are not of original accusations of facilitating trump win, "hacking" the election, etc, but of spending less than 0.01% of online (loosely defined) political ads( and much less of all ads), by "russia linked" "entities" (without much details about them and their alleged links).

      does russia's interests oppose usa's? yes.
      does russia want a weak usa ? yes.
      is russia trying to get its way v.s usa, even using covert and criminal activity? yes.
      all that is true (not just of russia but plenty of others) for a long time.

      but current narrative is not about such obvious things. it is a blatant attempt at renouncing responsibility for american evils and failures, and attempt to deny incompatibility of reality prevailing in usa, with agendas and ideology of establishment( whether it be sharing economic benefits and pains, justifications and sacrifices for permanent wars, free trade, unregulated immigration, etc etc ).
      by blaming russians for events arising from that reality( such as election of trump), you delegitimize that real opposition to establishment ideology and agendas.

    9. Re: The strategy is obvious by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Fair enough. If they don't want me to vote for them, I will not vote for them. Ever."

      That's deplorable.

    10. Re: The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Compared to what? The far left outlets in other countries?

    11. Re: The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone in this thread is a slavering moron.

      That includes the DNC. They had some pretty ugly strategies.

      Neither Hillary's hardcore supporters, nor the "Bernie Bros" that they couldn't stop getting into facebook fights with for 18 months (they're still at it afaik), would have had even half the friction between them if not for the arguably unethical leaks from the DNC.

      Nobody's accusing the Russians of fabricating tensions in the US - there are plenty. The issue is that they (and, yes, many others, including mostly domestic US actors) quite likely abused the letter and spirit of the laws in provoking conflict along the lines of these tensions where it was useful to inhibit public debate in a certain area.

    12. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      So you're doubling down with a Red Herring and a dash of Reductio Ad Absurdum? No surprise there.

      Says the guy resorting to ad hominem and carefully avoiding the substance of the matter. No surprise there.

      Please show where I have attacked the OP and not his "arguments".

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    13. Re:The strategy is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BLM is a racial supremacist movement disguising itself as 'social justice' with a mix of communism thrown in, the latter thanks to their big brothers in antifa.

      "we have nothing to lose but our chains"... yeah, great.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here.

      If the KKK are considered terrorists, then why not BLM? They both want the same thing for their respective 'identities'. Both claim to be the victims and both want the state to step in and microarbitrate based on race. Both are ILliberal.

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

      oh wow, what a twisted pile this is.. You are VERY partisan. Antifa is not some fake conspiracy theory any more than the KKK is...and I'm sure if the soviets were still in power, you'd be apologizing for their subversion tactics just like the left used to do in the US. The russians haven't really changed.. It's the left that has pivoted position.

    14. Re:The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Yeah because if you don't subscribe to far left wing views, you want to kill unarmed black men...

      wtf?

    15. Re: The strategy is obvious by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Insert obligatory Inigo Montoya quote here.

      You mean, "Prepare to die"? That escalated fast.

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    16. Re:The strategy is obvious by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Who's talking far left? There are people who actually do have far-left views, but they are nowhere near the people you are calling far left. From a global perspective, Bernie Sanders is about as centrist as it gets, so in order to be far left, you'd have to be significantly to the left of him.

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    17. Re:The strategy is obvious by andydread · · Score: 1

      brainwash alert!!! you mentioned the "deep state" buzzword. hahaha

    18. Re: The strategy is obvious by ScentCone · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, let's see: You imply stupidity by complaining about irony while carefully avoiding the fact that his observation is accurate. If there's irony involved and you fail to illustrate why, then you're just dishing exactly the sort of patronizing snark that the GP was talking about. In effect, you've just made his point all the more astute. Then you attack him (not the point he's illustrating) by suggesting that he's using lazy rhetorical devices (you know, the thing YOU just did), again instead of even mentioning anything having to do with the subject matter. So, yeah. You've done nothing BUT attack the OP, and stay away from the substance. And now you're being defensive about it instead of taking the opportunity to, say, explain why you think the Democrats AREN'T shameless, disingenuous, hypocritical promoters and exploiters of identity politics.

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    19. Re:The strategy is obvious by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      I didn't make the implication. You did.

      I don't really care where people fall on some spectrum. Their positions on individual issues are what's important. How far left a politician in the US compared to other countries is irrelevant. It's basically the underpinning of a no-true-leftist fallacy.

    20. Re:The strategy is obvious by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Go Team Yellow!?

    21. Re:The strategy is obvious by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Troll

      establishment authorities are making claims there is evidence and links, but no concrete details that can be checked independently.

      Can you explain this conspiracy where the FBI, CIA, NSA and DNI are deliberately lying about this, going against their government? And how come Trump and the rest of the GOP are unable to do anything about it, even after firing one FBI director?

      Look, I don't like those guys either, but you are alleging a vast conspiracy that is trying to topple the US government, but which the government can do little about, and your only "evidence" is that they didn't publish enough details of their investigations to satisfy you.

      The DNI report does actually contain a lot of detail. There is independent evidence, like accounts that claim to be westerners but only post during Moscow office hours, or op-sec failures like "Antifa Boston" forgetting to disable geotagging (Moscow again).

      Extraordinary claims...

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    22. Re:The strategy is obvious by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      I don't doubt that people on the left also fall for this sort of thing now and again too, by the way. I'm not partisan on this, I'm just against this kind of state level subversion of western societies.

      When I hear someone crying about Russian influence I'm lead to wonder what the same people think of AIPAC and associated organized sophisticated Israeli propaganda campaigns in this country. Do they find them equally outrageous?

      Is the outrage sourced from the concept of subversion/interference or is it based mostly on the content of the message? e.g. I don't like what your doing so I'll use foreign aspect to justify and amplify my displeasure...

      Of course the flip side is I am indifferent to or support what your doing so I'm willing to completely ignore foreign aspects of your influence campaign.

      I'm not offering an opinion on the underlying "Russia" issue yet I strongly suspect a lot of what ticks people off about Russia is in fact the underlying message not foreign subversion.

      Look at how often BLM are labelled terrorists right here.

      Well see there is actually.. uh... tape of BLM protesters saying and doing the nicest things. "What do we want?" ... many lovely answers to that question can be found with 10 seconds of your time on YouTube and be seen and heard with your own eyes. It can't ALL be explained away by foreign intervention and associated propaganda. At least some of it is earned.

    23. Re: The strategy is obvious by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Insert obligatory Inigo Montoya quote here.

      You mean, "Prepare to die"? That escalated fast.

      I lolled.

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    24. Re: The strategy is obvious by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      My wife stubbed her toe on her chair this week. Or so she claimed.

      I knew it! You're sleeping with her.

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    25. Re:The strategy is obvious by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      It could be argued that foreign propaganda actually brought down Soviet Union. At least it contributed more than any foreign ads to Trump election. US still do a lot of propaganda in Russia. Could easily target their country of origin too. No actual Russian would ever look into BLM stuff unless he works on a US owned company that would give him such a task.

    26. Re: The strategy is obvious by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You have proof of that? All of the investigations so far can't come up with any. But keep trying. You're at least amusing.

    27. Re: The strategy is obvious by nomadic · · Score: 1

      Not a rhetorical question: Why do all the Trump apologists assume that the Congressional committees and the intelligence committees will provide them with the proof they have? Why exactly do you think you are privy to what they've found out?

    28. Re: The strategy is obvious by Ken_g6 · · Score: 1

      Is that irony you're smelling, or vodka?

      (In other words, I think they're still at it.)

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    29. Re:The strategy is obvious by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      This should not be modded troll. It actually addresses a crucial question: where's the meat? When an authoritative report supports a claim one should think twice. But that is also what good journalists should do: challenge the report. They do it, mostly outside of the mainstream, sometimes in it. And the report is very weak and does not represent the intelligence community to the extent it claims. One recent analysis is from Scott Ritter: https://consortiumnews.com/201... .

      So one can say the FBI, CIA, NSA are not really 'in' but the chiefs of FBI and CIA are. The(now former) DNI predictably is , that's James Clapper. NSA chief is not in. NSA assessment listed in the report is 'moderate'. That means 'it's possible'. And they're the experts. So they're being polite. Coincidentally Clapper has asked for replacement of the NSA chief.

      I'm uncomfortable with the designation 'conspiracy theory'. I would call it a negotiated position. A lot of people want to get rid of Trump, and some of them for very good reasons. Russiagate is the solution that's offered (originally by the Clinton team). What do you do? Go for truth?
      I'd go for truth for multiple reasons. One reason is that I think concern for truth has dropped to dangerously low levels. And another is that I think the offer of Russiagate is a bad deal. It satisfies the hawks, and it may even lead to the warmongers leading with Trump still in place.

      Now one still can judge a story like the Pokemon one independently. This one appears to be built on nothing but it's written because Russiagate leads and it becomes big news because the headline specialists need to beef it up a bit to make it sell. Because everyone just reads headlines there's a constant feeling of 'my god it's even worse than we thought'.

    30. Re:The strategy is obvious by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Talking about flimsy arguments, that's one. As is the leading article of the topic. I've been modded troll as well for all the wrong reasons.

      As I said, it's reasonable to just go with the authoritative statements of the CIA. And sometimes that means you're wrong. This is one of those times. I gave you one solid link. You think I should have given you twenty to make an impression?
      You think any major paper will stick their neck out and say the whole Russiagate thing(which is a whole set of accusations) is bullshit? They'll instantly be accused of being Russia stooges. But if they just publish everything about Russiagate they'll be sure everyone gobbles it up. Difficult choice..

    31. Re: The strategy is obvious by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see: You imply stupidity by complaining about irony while carefully avoiding the fact that his observation is accurate.If there's irony involved and you fail to illustrate why, then you're just dishing exactly the sort of patronizing snark that the GP was talking about. In effect, you've just made his point all the more astute. Then you attack him (not the point he's illustrating) by suggesting that he's using lazy rhetorical devices (you know, the thing YOU just did), again instead of even mentioning anything having to do with the subject matter. So, yeah. You've done nothing BUT attack the OP, and stay away from the substance. And now you're being defensive about it instead of taking the opportunity to, say, explain why you think the Democrats AREN'T shameless, disingenuous, hypocritical promoters and exploiters of identity politics.

      I feel that you have totally missed the point and have chosen to be offended to order to give you license to go off on a rant about my perceived failings as well as take a swipe at the Democrats in the same process. So let me explain my original post in simple words for you.

      The OP used a pejorative to illustrate that it was the other side that is divisive, condescending, smug, and insulting. Rather than arguing that fact, the OP then *did* rely on logical fallacies to try and "win" the argument.

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    32. Re: The strategy is obvious by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

  3. HOW?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The thing about Pokemon GO is that you have almost no interaction with other players. They didn't add raids until this year, meaning that at the time, literally the only interaction you had with other players was by attacking a gym held by an opposing team or adding a lure to a gym. Nothing else you did effected anything that anyone else was doing. There remains no way to talk to other players in-game. No way to see other players. No way to see if anyone is near you.

    This story makes absolutely no sense. You can't interact with other players and other players names only show up in very limited circumstances and are otherwise meaningless. Besides, Russia doesn't need to do anything to make Black Lives Matter "inflame racial tensions," that's literally the purpose of the movement itself.

  4. When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... Realize that the MSM(ratings), politicians(votes) and external forces(espionage) are at place to cause anger? The common American goes about their day, trying to earn enough to provide for their loved ones. But the left is eating up anything and everything divisive, projecting all kinds of ill will towards anyone who has a differing opinion - SO MUCH SO, that a person who should not be the president of the US, IS the president of the US, because there was no other choice.

    And what has happened since the US election? The left has double downed on portraying any and all who don't think exactly as they do, as misogynists(oh the irony there) and racists(check out the founding and core of the Democratic party for the TRUE racists.

    Pushing people so far will yield someone who is not afraid to push back, and that was who was elected - the only person is not afraid to push back against all the crap that is constantly slung against the right.

    Keep on looking down your nose at fly over country, and this will NOT get any better. In fact, it will get MUCH worse.

    *Please done take this as the right is perfect, because I am greatly saddened that Trump can't act like an adult. He had the perfect opportunity, and has done nothing but blow it.

    1. Re:When will the left ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It's a Good Thing that Russian Shills haven't infected Slashdot...fortunately, nobody here would be fooled by foreign anonymous cowards inflaming partisan invective...

    2. Re:When will the left ... by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      He speaks the truth! I mean, why else would he post as Anonymous Koward Comrade?

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    3. Re:When will the left ... by quantaman · · Score: 2

      ... Realize that the MSM(ratings), politicians(votes) and external forces(espionage) are at place to cause anger? The common American goes about their day, trying to earn enough to provide for their loved ones. But the left is eating up anything and everything divisive, projecting all kinds of ill will towards anyone who has a differing opinion

      You do remember the years of insisting that the first black president was not American and was a secret Muslim? The insane conspiracy theories claiming that illegal immigrants were voting and stealing elections. Claims that scientists were part of some bizarre global warming conspiracy? Treating gay and transgendered people like second class citizens.

      These aren't fringe ideas from the right. These are right in the main-stream of the Republican party.

      SO MUCH SO, that a person who should not be the president of the US, IS the president of the US, because there was no other choice.

      On the Republican side, no, there wasn't a lot of choice. The sad reality of GOP primary was that their best realistic choice might have been Jeb Bush.

      The runner up (Ted Cruz) almost drove the US into bankruptcy as a PR stunt.

      Clinton wasn't a great candidate, but she wasn't that bad either. The underlying flaws for which she was vilified (special rules because she's the boss) are pretty much standard practice for politicians. It's disappointing she wasn't better but she wasn't an outlier, the GOP just realized that if they just keep repeating that something is inexcusable that a certain percentage of the public will believe them.

      And what has happened since the US election? The left has double downed on portraying any and all who don't think exactly as they do, as misogynists(oh the irony there) and racists(check out the founding and core of the Democratic party for the TRUE racists.

      Pushing people so far will yield someone who is not afraid to push back, and that was who was elected - the only person is not afraid to push back against all the crap that is constantly slung against the right.

      Keep on looking down your nose at fly over country, and this will NOT get any better. In fact, it will get MUCH worse.

      I'm sorry that powerful men will insist you grant them sexual favours if you want to succeed in your career.... oh sorry that's women.

      I'm sorry that you're subject to constant police harassment and no one seems to give a damn... oh sorry that's black people.

      I'm sorry that your feelings are mildly hurt now that people are finally calling you out on some of your BS.

      *Please done take this as the right is perfect, because I am greatly saddened that Trump can't act like an adult. He had the perfect opportunity, and has done nothing but blow it.

      You were bound to be disappointed. The GOP has a better alternative to Obamacare, massive tax cuts for the rich will reduce the deficit, banning Muslims will eliminate terrorism, the Iranian nuclear deal was a bad deal, etc, etc.

      These are all thing the GOP elites sold to their base to win elections but generally didn't believe themselves. This irritated the base since the policy didn't match the rhetoric.

      Trump won the primary because he actually did believe the the lies, so his policies did match his rhetoric.

      That's why you were bound to be disappointed, because someone so incompetent that they can't see the con even while they're a candidate is someone too incompetent to govern.

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  5. Russia points out racial issues in the US... by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 2

    ... so must be trying to destroy the American way of Life clearly! /s

  6. You all just loved Russia when they were flat out honest to goodness murderous communists.

    1. Re:dang by PPH · · Score: 2

      Seriously this.

      The saddest day in boardrooms of the major military-industrial suppliers was when the Eastern Bloc collapsed. They knew that the evil USSR was their primary justification for increased budgets and profits. I wouldn't be surprised if they negotiated with Soviet generals. 'We build a supersonic bomber and you can go to your committee and fund a supersonic interceptor. More jobs for everyone!'

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    2. Re:dang by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      I'm a Russian, and I never murdered anyone. So you can stop loving me now. Truth is more important than love, so I won't pretend to be a murderer :P

  7. anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If so you should send me your money before some Nigerian prince steals it from you. The story went from Russia hacking servers and emails, to Russia colluding with Trump, and now we're down to talking about Pokemon and Facebook ads. But Russiagaters have to keep talking about this - if they stop, they'd have to admit they were a million megatons of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.

    https://consortiumnews.com/201...

    1. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually the evidence is mounting. This article has a good summary with plenty of links: https://www.theguardian.com/us...

      I find this report by the Director of National Intelligence particularly interesting: https://www.dni.gov/files/docu...

      We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trumpâ(TM)s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment;NSA has moderate confidence.

      Moscowâ(TM)s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operationsâ"such as cyber activityâ"with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid socialmedia users or âoetrolls.â

      The extent to which Trump was involved in this has yet to be determined. The investigation is on-going. It seems that some of his staff did meet with people working for the Russian government and communicated with them in other ways, but to be fair that in itself isn't proof of actual collusion. Trump and his team may well be victims of Russian government manipulation too. It certainly undermines his victory.

      We don't know the full extent of this for some time, and even then the way Trump has interfered with the investigation means that any conclusions are unlikely to be accepted now.

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    2. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      If so you should send me your money before some Nigerian prince steals it from you. The story went from Russia hacking servers and emails, to Russia colluding with Trump, and now we're down to talking about Pokemon and Facebook ads. But Russiagaters have to keep talking about this - if they stop, they'd have to admit they were a million megatons of bullshit crammed into a five pound sack.

      https://consortiumnews.com/201...

      Yeah... the story isn't actually changing, there's just more chapters.

      It's like how when a new woman comes out and accuses Harvey Weinstien of assaulting her people don't go "wait, I thought the story was that Harvey Weinstein sexually assaulted 20 women, now it's claimed he assaulted 21??? The story is changing!! It's all bullshit!!!"

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    3. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yeah... the story isn't actually changing, there's just more chapters.

      Of course the story is changing - otherwise they'd be talking about how Boris Yanchecov, Russian FSB agent personally gave a thumb drive to Jared Kushner with DNC emails to leak to Fox News and now asking Trump to resign. Not talking about $5000 in Google ads purchased out of Google's $70 billion in annual ad revenue.

      But that's not happening, because the entire hysteria was deranged partisan bullshit from the beginning.

      It's like how when a new woman comes out and accuses Harvey Weinstien

      No. It's not like that. Not even remotely close. So let's fix your analogy.....Russiagate would be like Harvey Weinstein if and only if:

      1) Weinstein was accused of sexually assaulting women - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      2) Then, Weinstein was accused of sexually harassing women - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      3) Then, Weinstein was accused of making a pass at a woman who was not his wife - and those claims turned out to be completely false
      4) Then, Weinstein was accused of making sexist comments about women - and those claims were completely false
      5) Then, Weinstein was accused of sexism because he casts attractive women in Weinstein movies and had a copy of Cosmo sitting on a table in his office - meaning the witch hunters have passed Peak Bullshit in trying to attack him

      But Weinstein is of course a womanizing creep, and your attempted analogy of course is complete bullshit.

    4. Re:anyone still believe this Peak Bullshit? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Those are different stories.

      And Whitewater was a different story from Vince Foster - but they were both parts of the same deranged partisan witch hunt. Now Democrats have decided it's their turn to engage in hysterical bullshit to avoid talking about just how much and how hard their party sucks.

      What is your problem with seeing them reported independently, as they come to light?

      Read up on witch hunts and the complete lack of evidence for any of the Russiagate theories and you'll have the answer to your question.

  8. In Post-Soviet Russia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pokemon Go plays YOU!

  9. But they haven't by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    Russia has done in the U.S.

    Russia hasn't done shit. Bush's mistake back in 2003 was in trying to provide evidence (all of which was fake) that Saddam planned 911 and was pursuing nuclear weapons. If he only knew he could have skipped that whole sending Powell to the UN and providing satellite photos, and just told a tall tale with no evidence whatsoever. Because people would eat it up with a spoon.

  10. Re:Wait? by mattwarden · · Score: 1

    Yes Iâ(TM)d like to know if that happened. I would also like to know if Hillary Clinton is actually an alien from a far away galaxy. Wouldnâ(TM)t you like to know if that was the case? Or do you not care about your country or democracy? She was a sitting senator, after all, and ran for the highest seat in the land, with millions of people voting for her (many of them citizens!). If an alien from a far away galaxy were able to infiltrate our demoracy to that extent, I hope we would all want to know about it.

  11. Who you talking "left", Kemosabe? by Uberbah · · Score: 2

    It's right wing Democrats who keep fucking the Russian chicken, though they've been reduced to talking about Pokemon and Russian internet ads (many of which came AFTER the election, and one of which was for a documentary attacking a Trump golf course). They clutch onto that raft so they don't have to admit they nominated an even worse candidate than Trump to run for the presidency.

    And before the Russian chicken came a long, right-wing Democrats were fucking the "white male privilege" chicken with abandon, ever since Obama clinched the primary in 2008. Because right-wing Democrats are just as happy as right-wing Republicans to keep people divided on race when they should be uniting on class.

  12. Re:It's just the dems... by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Which is just you resorting to lazy ad hominem and not addressing the substance of the matter. Lazy, intellectual cowardice.

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  13. The obvious counter strategy ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... to defeat this Russian plot would be to patch up racial differences. We can start by identifying their operatives in this country who work against this goal and deal with them harshly. Where is HUAC when we need them?

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  14. You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to send me your life savings?

    Actually the hysteria is mounting.

    Fixed that for you.

    The Russian's hacked power plants storyline was bullshit.
    CrowdStrike is bullshit.
    The "17 intelligence agencies" line was bullshit.
    The Russia hacked election systems is bullshit.

    find this report by the Director of National Intelligence particularly interesting

    Sure, lets look at this - while remembering the FBI wasn't allowed to examine the DNC servers so how exactly would they have "high confidence" in any thing - but this time noting the weasel words:

    We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump's election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence.

    Zero evidence provided, only claims and accusations. Well guess what Chem Trailers, Sandy Hook Truthers and Birthers have? Claims and accusations.

    Then there's the fact the entire "Russia wanted Trump to win so hacked the election" makes no sense whatsoever. The election was Hillary's to lose, right up until she picked Tim Kaine as her running mate and decided to skip campaigning in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Michigan. So according to the storyline, Putin was crafty enough to dig up dirt on Hillary (which was all true) but dumb enough to collude with someone as dumb as Trump. Which means the CIA, NSA & FBI would know all about it. Which meant Hillary would too, who had already campaigned on shooting down Russian jets in Syria. So what's really going on?

    The entire "Russian hacking" storyline is nothing but Swiftboating from Clinton supporters, as she was the candidate who engaged in corrupt collusion with Russian interests to sell a fifth of America's uranium.

    And you can skip that Snopes link that handwaives away Hillary's culpability for a number of reasons:
    1) Access is corruption
    2) Avoiding the appearance of impropriety applies to politicians, not just judges
    3) Her own campaign was warned internally that the deal was a political liability for her
    4) Hillary flat-out broke her confirmation promises on keeping a wall between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation

    At this point, Chem Trailing anti-vaxxer Birther Sandy Hook Truthers have more respectability than Russiagaters.

    1. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does the DNC emails have to do with Russian inference? Your entire argument seems to be that because you found some fake thing everything else no matter how unrelated must also be fake.

      This seems to be a standard tactic of alternative fact peddlers. CNN made a mistake once, therefore everything they ever reported is fake news.

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    2. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by andydread · · Score: 1

      your non-rebuttal is strait out of the allies of right-wing propoganda. Try harder.

    3. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What does the DNC emails have to do with Russian inference?

      Are you....kidding? It's only the foundation for for the accusations that Russia tried to interfere with the election. No big whoop.

      Your entire argument seems to be that because you found everything to be fake everything else no matter how unrelated must also be fake.

      FTFY2.

      This seems to be a standard tactic of alternative fact peddlers. CNN made a mistake once, therefore everything they ever reported is fake news.

      Your projection is noted - Russiagate is the definition of fake news.

      Don't like that? Then come up with more evidence than what Birthers, Chem Trailers and Sandy Hook Truthers do to support their theories. Or admit you've turned into that cranky Uncle Bob on Facebook who insists to this day that Obama really was a Kenyan-born Muslim with a fake birth certificate.

      Eh.

      Veh.

      Dence.

    4. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Funny

      The foundation of the accusations about Russian interference are the FBI, CIA and NSA investigations of their activity on social media, funding and meeting with American citizens. It's all in that report, why don't you read it?

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    5. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The foundation of the accusations about Russian interference are the FBI, CIA and NSA investigations of their activity on social media, funding and meeting with American citizens.

      No. It's not. Not even remotely close. Whining about Social Media ads - many of which were placed after the election last November and someone of which involved cute pictures of cats or criticizing a Trump golf course in Scotland - is the last pathetic attempt of partisan hacks desperate to keep their edition of the Whtiewater/Vince Foster witch hunts going. Or didn't you notice the steady moving of the goalposts - from DNC hacking to collusion to $100,000 in ads (many of which were place after the election) in a race where Hillary spent $1.2 biiiiiiiillion dollars?

      It's all in that report, why don't you read it?

      You mean a report completely lacking in the aforementioned Eh Veh Dence from the same professional liars who sold you on Saddam plotting 911, who spy on Congress while perjuring themselves before Congress?

      Did you read the link noting that all this hyperventilation is over drops in an ocean?

      Say hi to Uncle Bob for me, as you've turned into a Birther: someone who skates right on by legitimate reasons to oppose a political opponent in favor of engaging in theories so bizarre they wouldn't make it onto Info Wars.

      And all so that the corporate Democrats that brought you Trump can make the conversation about Russia and not their epic fail, so they can maintain control and direction over the party. Might as take one of Uncle Bob's "4 more years!" sign and put it on your lawn. Right now.

    6. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Yeah okay, they are all liars, blah blah. Do you have any actual evidence though? I mean, in the case of Iraq there was strong evidence even at the time that it was bullshit, but here there appears to be zero.

      I mean, if there was any evidence then why hasn't Trump done anything with it? Why doesn't he fire the people behind this conspiracy against him, or start an investigation into it as he threatened to do with Hilary?

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    7. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      You mean a report completely lacking in the aforementioned Eh Veh Dence from the same professional liars who sold you on Saddam plotting 911

      You gotta love the right, misrepresent evidence from the CIA to justify a war, then point your previous deception as reason to doubt evidence of your latest misdeeds.

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    8. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Do you have any actual evidence though? I mean, in the case of Iraq there was strong evidence even at the time that it was bullshit, but here there appears to be zero

      I no more need to provide evidence that Russia did not hack the election than you need to provide evidence that you did not build a time machine to go back and assassinate Abraham Lincoln.

      1) You cannot prove a negative
      2) It's the job of the person making the claim to provide the evidence

      And so far Russiagates have as much evidence as the people who think jet trails are being used to seed the atmosphere with mind-controlling gas.

      Why doesn't he fire the people behind this conspiracy against him

      Where you backpacking in Nepal when people were throwing around Nixon comparisons and obstruction of justices charges when Trump fired Comey? Just what do you think will be the media response if Trump fires Ken Starr, I mean Robert Muller?

    9. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      You gotta love the right, misrepresent evidence from the CIA to justify a war, then point your previous deception as reason to doubt evidence of your latest misdeeds.

      You're 0 for 3. Care to back up and try again, but reading this time?

    10. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Well there is evidence that Russia did interfere with the election, some presented in that report and some from other sources... So yeah, you do need to provide evidence that it never happened and explain why major US government agencies are lying about it.

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    11. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Well there is evidence

      You're really struggling with this "evidence" concept, aren't you? Accusations, assertions and innuendos are not evidence....Birther.

    12. Re:You want to use cashiers check or PayPal... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      That's some weak sauce, AC. Evidence against OJ was presented openly in a court of law. Whereas ZERO evidence has been presented ANYWHERE that Russia did jack or shit last year.

      Right, the members of the joint intelligence committee and the various members of congress who have seen the evidence are lying about it existing

      You mean the people that spy on Congress while perjuring themselves before Congress? The same people that lied to you about Iraq, Libya and Syria?

      Cashiers check or PayPal. I'm waiting.

  15. responsible narrative by epine · · Score: 1

    fake russia-gate narrative is reaching absurdist proportions

    Hmmm, "is reaching". Passive verb phrase anchoring your lead sentence.

    As Pinker points out in more than one book, the principle advantage of the passive voice is to avoid naming the subject conducting the action.

    The subject of your sentence is "fake russia-gate narrative", which in this construction effectively behaves as topic, not subject. And it's already wrong, because "-gate" is a suffix that principally denotes criminal coverup (Nixon's more serious crime). Not a single item in your list concerns any kind of cover up (though a few that might warrant a cover up).

    Does your adjective "fake" then apply to your misapplication of "-gate"? Well, it could, but it probably doesn't, as most readers would sort your intent here.

    If there wasn't the possibility here of criminal collusion with the Russians on the part of several tight-lipped members of the Trump family (Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner) and prominent tight-lipped officials within the Trump administration (in the first row, Paul Manafort, Carter Page, and Michael T. Flynn; in the second row Roger Stone, Rick Dearborn, George Papadopoulos, and Wilbur Ross; in the third row, Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer via Cambridge Analytica) this would not be a "gate" narrative whatsoever.

    I use the modifier "tight-lipped" because—despite norms and procedures designed to strongly encourage or legally require full disclosure concerning interactions with foreign nationals—we had to learn about these connections the hard way in almost every case.

    Who, then, is the subject engaged in spinning this "fake russia-gate narrative" willfully elided from your opening sentence?

    It is nearly a universal principle of tradecraft that no narrative about anything important is allowed to exist uncorrupted. If the opposing interests don't corrupt it automatically in the normal course of events, then interests benefitting from a general climate of less clarity are sure to step into the breach.

    All joint narratives are fake narratives. To discriminate the true from the false, the valid from the invalid, one has to break some eggs.

    Nameless eggs, in your case.

    The vast majority of responsible news reporting has operated since the beginning on the heuristic of "where there's smoke, there's fire". Usually a hunch or vague suspicion precedes discovery of a smoking gun. Maddow bends over backwards to frame "smoke" stories in language such as "what this would seem to suggest". Like the Y Combinator, a fair number of these early smoke stories graduated to attain full unicorn status—and loving it.

    The main exception to this rule are the more "salacious" aspects of the Steele dossier. Short of serving a subpoena to the Kremlin, these wilder allegations from the standard-issue shit stew of raw intelligence will probably remain unconfirmed. Colbert is by far the worst offender here, leaning on the pee tapes over and over again for cheap laughs, despite this having the least prospect of demonstrated credibility. Whenever the dossier comes up, Maddow keeps repeating "and other salacious allegations" and then refuses to go there.

    Next, the whole point of the Mueller investigation is to assign responsibility where responsibility belongs, despite certain cretins fervently wishing otherwise.

    Non-fake narrative (subtype "gate"): a worrisome number of people in the Trump administration had ties to Russia which they systematically concealed, criminally concealed, downplayed, covered up, neglected to recall, or lied about. Once discovered, most of these ties were directly confirmed by the person responsible. Snopes verdict: 100% confirmed.

    Non-fake narrative (subtype "tradecraft"): the Russians are engaged in a global disinformation strategy to undermine democratic norms and thereby weaken their democratic adversaries. Snopes verdict: W

  16. Glut by JBMcB · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't a more effective long-term method of undermining Russia's economy be to spread renewables? Yeah, we can temporarily undermine them with a glut, but we would be ultimately creating a disincentive to actual energy independence.

    Yes, but that's the point. 20-30 years out Europe will still be heavily dependent on natural gas. It needs time to get their power grid ready for a more distributed method of power generation. People will also need to retrofit gas burning heaters and utilities with electric.

    We can spin up natural gas production pretty quickly. The only major hurdle is building more LNG plants to ship the stuff.

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  17. Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    They now support the party that...

    Started a civil war to keep slavery
    Tried to prevent women from voting
    Tried to keep segregation in place
    Tried to prevent civil rights for blacks

    The parties traded places fifty years ago, dumbass. This is not news. And skip Robert Byrd as he spent the rest of his life apologizing for joining the Klan, as opposed to Republicans like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms who went to their graves as Dixiecrats.

    Protect sexual molesters because they donate money

    You mean right-wing corporate democrats whoring themselves out for money?

    1. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Dunno, I skipped the parts that were completely incoherent.

    2. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      No they didn't. Robert Byrd

      Just can't help yourself, can you? Went ahead and fucked the Byrd chicken after that canard was prebutted.

      They ARE the party of bigots, anti-gay

      Yes, right-wing Democrats like Hillary "Superpredators" Clinton did oppose marriage equality right up until the Supreme Court made the point moot. It's why I rub those facts of Hillbots who Swiftboated their opponent Sanders for being weak on minorities.

      WYP?

      Is there anything immoral the DNC could do that you wouldn't defend them for?

      I'm a leftist, dumbass. The DNC organization can go die in a fire. They're right wing hacks like yourself - and I hear they have a position open for an IT worker. You have so much in common!

    3. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just can't help yourself, can you? Went ahead and fucked the Byrd chicken after that canard was prebutted.

      Yea, when you SUPPORT a KKK leader for 60 years, and then put up for president a candidate that calls him her "mentor", thats pretty much a solid clue they are the party that supports bigots.

      Remember, Trump was a bigot for not calling out white supremists by names for 48 hours. How bad is it that a party supported a KKK leader for 60 years? Liberals have gone full stupid, I'm only using your own arguments against you. 60 years > 48 hours by a LONG shot.

      DNC IS the party that supports bigots, period. You march with the bigots, you are a bigot. Congratulations on getting your own name calling thrown back at you, you fucking bigot.

    4. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Noble713 · · Score: 2

      I'm a leftist, dumbass. The DNC organization can go die in a fire. They're right wing hacks like yourself - and I hear they have a position open for an IT worker. You have so much in common!

      Speaking of which.....has anyone else noticed there hasn't been a SINGLE article on Slashdot about Imran Awan and his shenanigans as a Congressional IT staffer for some major Democrats? Is it just political bias amongst the /. editorial staff? BeauHD bends over backwards to bring us every negative thing about Trump while skipping over this equally-interesting (from the perspective of IT practices, opsec, and crime) story affecting the opposite party.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...

    5. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Yea, when you SUPPORT a KKK leader for 60 years

      He wasn't a KKK leader for 60 years, you dumb fuck. He rejected the Klan in his twenties and spent the rest of his life apologizing for it and trying to help minorities - as opposed to Helms or Thurmond. Every time you try to keep making this thing happen - it's not going to happen - you make yourself look as moranic as the wingnuts who keep blaming Clinton for Ruby Ridge after it's been pointed out to them that happened before Clinton was even elected, when Bush was POTUS.

      Speaking of which..... Imran Awan

      Speaking of which, why haven't you applied yet? You're an incompetent right-winger and they're an incompetent right-wing organization. Hand, meet glove.

    6. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Edit: you're not the AC. That's what I get for trying to combine replies. AC, the rest still applies to you.

    7. Re:Peak Wingnut Projection by Uberbah · · Score: 1
  18. Re:spread renewables? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and in that century, we didn't have the infrastructure for global shipping and communication. We're talking about ramping up production of a natural resource, whose production and usage is quite bad for the environment, in order to undermine an economic foe. This is clearly not a good long term plan, when a concentrated effort to make that gas worthless forever is also going to be better ecologically.

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  19. Media does it better by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Ruskies can learn a thing or two from US media on how best to "inflame racial tensions" for profit.

  20. Re:It's just the dems... by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

    Next they're going to say Russia mind controlled Hillary and made her call half the country deplorable.

    Actual quote: "...you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables."

    • 60.2% of eligible voters cast a vote in the 2016 presidential election.
    • Trump received 45.9% of the votes cast.
    • 27.6% of the eligible voting population voted for Trump.
    • 27.6% / 2 = 13.8%.

    (Source: Dylan Cutler's answer to What percentage of eligible voters voted for Trump?)

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  21. Re: Wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, no, they can't. Russia is a shithole of epic proportions, and gave up competing a long time ago. Now they're just trying to drag other countries down to their level.

  22. Re:Trump is getting a second term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have just 2 words in response to your TL;DR bullshit:

    Fuck you.

  23. Re: Apps? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Devops is for boring Luddites not fun people who play Pokemon Go.

  24. The "Russ" IRA ? by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 1

    It's like a Roth IRA, but...no wait, it still screws you in the end. Never mind.

  25. Squirrell! by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    "Squirrel!" works for dogs.

    For Americans, it's: "Russians!".

    Welcome back to the 1950s, folks.

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    1. Re:Squirrell! by Mondor · · Score: 1

      So true. But people will always buy it. At least until the next big war, when they will sober for another 30-50 years.