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Leave It To the Heat to Dull Autumn's Glory (wsj.com)

It's autumn. Somebody tell the trees. From a report: Ordinarily, two signals alert deciduous trees that it's time to relinquish the green hues of summer in favor of autumn's yellows, oranges and reds. First, the days begin to grow shorter. Second, the temperature begins to drop. But this year, unseasonably warm weather across most of the U.S. has tricked trees into delaying the onset of fall's color extravaganza. Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal since mid-September, and the warmth is expected to persist through the end of October. The unfortunate result for leaf peepers is a lackluster fall. Two kinds of pigments produce the season's liveliest foliage. Carotenoid, responsible for yellows and oranges, is always present in leaves but is usually masked by chlorophyll. The initial trigger for its appearance is shorter days. Anthocyanin, responsible for reds and deep purples, is different. Not all deciduous trees have this pigment, and those that do manufacture it from scratch in the fall. The primary trigger for its appearance is lower temperatures. Without that cooling cue, the colors of maple and other species that generally ignite New England with brilliant reds this time of year are likely to fizzle.

140 comments

  1. Darn? by oic0 · · Score: 0

    Seems slightly non tech related.

    1. Re:Darn? by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      But it is science-related.

    2. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more political than science-related at this point.

    3. Re: Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had a hundred year flood event here less than a mile from our house about five years ago. Our house is over 100 years old and not built on the shitty low land. We didn't get flooded.

      If you live on low quality flood prone land, MOVE. Don't expect the rest of us to bail you out over and over.

    4. Re:Darn? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      (1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
      (2) Cooling temperatures trigger the production of red and purple pigments in leaves.
      (3) We expect to see less red foliage this year.

      Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.

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    5. Re: Darn? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you live on low quality flood prone land, MOVE.

      And when ~2 Billion people have to do just that, what do you think's going to happen to those of you "smart" enough to live in the hills?

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    6. Re:Darn? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      Completely political as "unseasonably" [cold|warm|rainy|snowy] is not new. It's neither a sign that climate change is suddenly a bigger issue, nor is it a sign that climate change isn't an issue. It neither says that climate change is notably man-made, nor that climate change is completely natural. It is a story meant specifically to ignite ignorantly passionate arguments so that people will donate money to those that champion their side of it.

    7. Re:Darn? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      (1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.

      We also had an unseasonably mild & dry Summer here in the Midwest, and the leaves had started falling in late August here. I was excited because I was hoping I could have my leaves taken care of by mid-October. Then things warmed up and it started raining, then suddenly the leaves stopped dropping again.

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    8. Re:Darn? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      (1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
      (2) Cooling temperatures trigger the production of red and purple pigments in leaves.
      (3) We expect to see less red foliage this year.

      Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.

      The one that contains the word, "warm". Everyone knows that every mention of warmer than usual weather is an affront to the orange god-king.

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    9. Re: Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A substantial rise in property value?

    10. Re: Darn? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2

      With millions of now-homeless people squatting right outside said property? Doubt it.

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    11. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will.

    12. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, science isn't relevant?

    13. Re:Darn? by burtosis · · Score: 2

      We

    14. Re: Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only until it exceeds the guillotine constant.

    15. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Not unless you view tech as an opportunity to propagandize climate change religion.

      Or you've heard of this thing called "science".

             

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    16. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 2, Funny

      You misspelled "imbecile".

      It's not an acronym.

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    17. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 0, Troll

      Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.

      You obviously lack the proper training.
      You know... the kind that would help you understand that talking about "cutting taxes" is the same thing as going around shouting "Ni99er, ni99er, ni99er."

      Which you'd know if you had proper training.
      Just as you'd know that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy, that UN is coming for your guns and that Obama is a secret Muslim.
      And many other wonderful things you'd "pick up" from various sources with hidden messages.
      You'd see ALL OF THE hidden messages and secret information. Everywhere. All of the time.

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    18. Re:Darn? by cmaurand · · Score: 1

      Well, there's digital photography involved, climate science, etc. I live in Maine. The colors are spectacular (Yellows, Oranges and Reds), they're just a couple of weeks late. The shorter days get them going, but what really gets the trees going is a frost which is something much of the country doesn't get until after the leaves drop.

    19. Re: Darn? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I actually agree they should move if they are rescued. No rebuilding.

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    20. Re:Darn? by Bartles · · Score: 2

      It's hilarious when lefties use the snowflake label.

    21. Re:Darn? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "

      (1) We have had an unseasonably warm fall.
      (2) Cooling temperatures trigger the production of red and purple pigments in leaves.
      (3) We expect to see less red foliage this year.

      Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.

      It has been that way for the last 30 years and some people refuse to see, a let's call it a 'trend'.
      Those people see it as 'political', at least until the state has to pay for their flooded houses and save them from their roof. And even then it's just a 'fluke' that there are 5 100-year-floods 3 years in a row. You know, like in the casino, when Red comes 10 times in a row,

    22. Re: Darn? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The one where it's humans and not trees making the statements, and humans, not trees saying that means something's wrong. The trees don't care that you think the "seasons'" unseasonable because this season is not like the one that used to resemble the ones previous.

    23. Re: Darn? by hey! · · Score: 1

      So what observation can a human make that would *not* be political under those criteria?

      Could you walk out the door on a February morning and say, "Geez, it's cold out," without being political? After all the atmosphere doesn't care what temperature you expect it to be.

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    24. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet the conservatives are the ones who tend to show the "snowflake" behavior.

    25. Re:Darn? by cogeek · · Score: 2

      According to your deity Al Gore it was supposed to have already happened. Irreversibly. Irrefutably. I moved to Colorado expecting I'd have ocean front property now based on his Inconvenient Propaganda. Yet here I am high and dry.

    26. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      What's the problem? He's a climate denying imbecile.

      Who thinks that acronyms somehow validate willfully being an imbecile.

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    27. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Apparently, someone has a problem with calling out people who see dog whistling everywhere as paranoid loons who see dog whistling everywhere.
      All of the time. In everything. Everywhere.

      So let me rephrase that...

      Explain to me which of these statements is *political*.

      You obviously lack the proper training.
      You know... the kind that would help you understand that talking about "cutting taxes" is the same thing as going around shouting "Ni99er, ni99er, ni99er."

      Which you'd know if you had proper training.
      Just as you'd know that global warming is a Chinese conspiracy, that UN is coming for your guns, that Obama is a secret Muslim - who is also a secret demon.
      And many other wonderful things you'd "pick up" from various sources with hidden messages.
      You'd see ALL OF THE hidden messages and secret information. Everywhere. All of the time.

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    28. Re: Darn? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Rebuilding is fine as long as they build on stilts or make it a floating house this time.

    29. Re:Darn? by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      You misspelt misspelt.

    30. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electric helicopters don't have the necessary range.

    31. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The scientific method is relevant. The scientific profession has proven to be irrelevant, corruptible, and political all at the expense of the scientific method.

    32. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That science thing where none of the results are repeatable?

      That since thing where we've abandoned truth and instead rely on consensus?

      That science thing where people fake data in order to publish and keep grants flowing thus keeping food on their plate?

      That science thing where what actually gets studied (or not) is chosen by the whims of rich political donors thus making sure the consensus we've landed on (in place of truth) is in their favor?

      Yea..........I've heard of it.

    33. Re:Darn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems slightly non tech related.

      Attach a Raspberry Pi to each leaf so that they turn color at the exact time Progressives think they should.
      There's your tech angle.

    34. Re:Darn? by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

      If you moved to Colorado for the ocean view, you really are dumber than a box of rocks: Even the most extreme models predicted a sea level rise that would produce that particular real estate in Colorado. But you could go trolling for sandfish and make millions of tRump dollars selling them to your fellow bumpkins.

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    35. Re:Darn? by cogeek · · Score: 1

      Even the most extreme models predicted a sea level rise that would produce that particular real estate in Colorado.

      The English language is a difficult one. Thank you for agreeing with me in your post, even though it makes you look as dumb as a box of rocks.

    36. Re:Darn? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Actually, both are correct.

      It's that British vs. American thing.

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    37. Re:Darn? by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

      Even the most extreme models did not predict a sea level rise that would have produce that particular real estate in Colorado.

      Obviously, I should have proofread what I wrote. See the above correction.

      Seriously, did you really expect us to believe a sea level rise on the order of 7000 feet?

      I suspect you merely neglected to include the /sarcasm tag in your original post.

      I apologize for any misunderstandings my failure to adequately proofread my own posts. I hope this exchange offered some entertainment value for the readers of /.

      ;-} Have a fun day!

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    38. Re:Darn? by cogeek · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did forget the tags in my post. Most people were able to decipher it on their own, but I see from your username you are a bass player. I should have dumbed it down some.
      All my days are fun, enjoy yours as well!

    39. Re:Darn? by PlaynBass · · Score: 1

      Ha, ha! I did fully understand the /sarcasm... but I'm a stickler for the fun-da-mentals!

      Without bass players, drummers wouldn't know in which key they were playing!

      Keep on funning on!

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  2. Not a sign of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Remember, global warming is based on the global average temperature. This is regional and is on the timescale of weather rather than climate. During the same time period, temperatures might be below normal in Canada or Eurasia. It would be incorrect to blame this on global warming because this is on a regional scale and it would conflate weather with climate.

    1. Re:Not a sign of global warming by Narcocide · · Score: 0

      Astroturfer.

    2. Re:Not a sign of global warming by Train0987 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Heresy!!!! Blashphemer!!! Wiiittttcccchhhhhh!!!!!!!!

      How dare you question the cult?

    3. Re:Not a sign of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faggot Trumptard denialist needs raped to death.

    4. Re:Not a sign of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wanted to say the same thing. Congrats that this one part is seeing unusually warm weather, where I live I can normally ride my motorcycle to work until the beginning of November. I have a cut off, if it's warmer than 40 F I ride, below I don't. Haven't seen a morning warm enough in a few weeks now.

    5. Re:Not a sign of global warming by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Nice one, comrade!

    6. Re:Not a sign of global warming by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You answered Hamlet's question.

    7. Re: Not a sign of global warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, in the Netherlands, Europe, the middle of October just had the mercury rise to 25 degC several days in a row, quite exceptional as normally perhaps the early days of September see such temperatures, typically none after the end of September...

  3. Scale by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal since mid-September

    Is that 15 degrees Delisle, Leiden or Rankine?

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    1. Re:Scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      15 degrees in Library of Congresses.

    2. Re:Scale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kevin Bacon

    3. Re:Scale by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Is that 15 degrees Delisle, Leiden or Rankine?

      It's unqualified, so presumably degrees of arc - one of the longest established measures in the world, dating back to several hundred years BCE (middle Iron Age).

      Bloody strange way of measuring temperature though.

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  4. Lack of rain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where I live it's been seasonable but dry for the past month. In my experience, that has had more of an affect on leaf colors.

    1. Re:Lack of rain? by hey! · · Score: 1

      New England had a very dry year overall. The Norway maples and hickories in my yard dropped most of their leaves in August, and what's left are brown and dry -- first time in twenty-five years living here that's happened. Twenty yards downhill trees with a better water supply are still green unseasonably late, but are starting to fade to yellow.

      Normally by this time of year there would be brilliant red foliage everywhere.

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    2. Re:Lack of rain? by nwf · · Score: 1

      We've had something similar in Pennsylvania. While a number of trees are still green, others just gave up. Their leaves turned brown and many are still attached to the tree. Very atypical for us.

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  5. Depends on where you are in the U.S. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Colorado mountains this year actually had a somewhat early year for fall color, which was then sadly messed with near peak by weeks of cold rain/snow - it left a lot of the colors pretty muted as well (lots of moisture seems to bring out a lot of mold that causes black spots on the leaves).

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    1. Re:Depends on where you are in the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you must be confusing beetle-killed trees with fall colors. Warmer winters allow bark beetles to thrive.

    2. Re:Depends on where you are in the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Colorado mountains this year actually had a somewhat early year for fall color, which was then sadly messed with near peak by weeks of cold rain/snow - it left a lot of the colors pretty muted as well (lots of moisture seems to bring out a lot of mold that causes black spots on the leaves).

      Depends entirely on where you live. In San Antonio we get a day or two of fall weather at random in November, and the leaves don't come off until January.

      Well, I did see orange leaves in August, but that's because the heat killed the plants.

    3. Re:Depends on where you are in the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Florida the trees never loose their leaves. We don't have the 4 seasons the rest of the country has. Here in Florida we only have two seasons: Hurricane and Tourist. You can tell when Tourist season comes because the license plates change color.

    4. Re:Depends on where you are in the U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nigger think nigger must be confusing nigger-killed trees with nigger colors. Nigger winters allow nigger beetles to nigger.

  6. I've got a solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make autumn start at the end of October then. People are over thinking this.

  7. Looking at the world around us by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems to me that explaining the world around us is of interest to nerds.

    Not all "news for nerds" has to be "here's the latest update about Ruby on Rails implementation on Ubuntu run on a Raspberry Pi to mine bitcoin."

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    1. Re:Looking at the world around us by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      You got that right! Some news could be "here's the latest update about .net implementation on FreeBSD running on a Raspberry Pi Zero to mine Monero."

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    2. Re:Looking at the world around us by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Seems to me that explaining the world around us is of interest to nerds.

      And that's exactly why your side lost the election. Don't you get it? We don't want to know about the world around us. #MAGA

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    3. Re:Looking at the world around us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should read up on cults and the in-group out-group dichotomy.

      You're actually making it more difficult for the center leaning right to have civil discourse. And you're not alone, nearly all the people are polarized and the TrueLeft and True Right just can't believe what the center leaning on either side are talking about, that the opposition may have certain points worth discussing or that their argument is more nuanced than it is made out to be.

      Regards,
      -Tom (A neo-nazi, a pinko faggot and any other labels the left or right hiveminds use to outright dismiss ANY civil discourse.)
      Though I probably agree with you more than the MAGA fags, you are part of the curse on our nation through the caustic atmosphere you're creating. Please dial it back to civil.

    4. Re:Looking at the world around us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Go pick up a college-level book on biology and read that. You'll be captivated for weeks. I say that as someone who's always been interested in physics.

    5. Re:Looking at the world around us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me there's thousands of other sources to get news that is of interest to nerds AND non-nerds, but slashdot is supposed to be news that is of SPECIFIC interest to nerds.

    6. Re:Looking at the world around us by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Yep. I moved from the Midwest to Colorado a while back. I've noticed we get more yellow and less of the reds and purples. I generally assumed that had to do with either the type of trees that grow at elevation, or something in the soil, that made the difference. I hadn't considered the daily temperature fluctuation might have been a part of it.

      Then again, we have a bigger swing out here (colder at night) because of the thin air, so maybe that really does bring us back to the types of trees that grow here.

  8. So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So? We'll get there eventually one way or another. Does it matter to anyone exactly when this'll happen?

  9. Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by pubwvj · · Score: 0

    It has indeed been a wonderful warm fall. They happen sometimes and we enjoy falls like this. I'm willing to give up a little bright color for a longer growing season and gentler weather. Realize that global warming isn't all bad. Those of us in the northern climes benefit.

    1. Re: Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dale it is 100 degrees in the shade here in Texas. If it gets one degree hotter I am kicking your ass. - Hank Hill

    2. Re:Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

      I've been hoping for longer golf seasons with climate change but it has not made much difference yet.

    3. Re:Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Here in south central New Hampshire fall started early with a mild freeze September 3. Some trees started turning, but the warm fall has kept the yellows and oranges in the trees for over a month.

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    4. Re:Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't enjoy it until all mosquitos die.

    5. Re:Wonderful Warm Fall Weather by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconded

  10. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TFA is pure bullshit. Trees do not use temperature as an indicator of when to drop leaves. It is purely a solar metric. Once there is no longer enough sunlight for the leaves to produce as much energy as they consume, the trees cut them off, they die, and fall to the ground.

    Temperature has nothing to do with it. Trees are smarter than we give them credit for.

    What is causing the lack of a beautiful show is that, sometimes, there is a lack of a beautiful show. In particular, there has been less cloud cover this year compared to the normal, so leaves have lasted longer than they typically do. The rate of change of the length of day is at a maximum at the autumnal equinox, so when there is below average cloud cover, leaves will last longer, but with the days becoming rapidly shorter, they will fall off faster, and we don't get a big show.

  11. sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    I'll have to agree with whoever it is who said that this isn't actually political.

    It was pointing out the connection between the muted tree colors and the unseasonably warm weather in New England. Nowhere was climate change or greenhouse warming mentioned. if you think any discussion about warm weather is a political statement about climate change, that is something about you brought to the discussion, not inherent in the original post.

    I notice that the original article was Wall Street Journal, which hasn't been a big " propagandize climate change religion" source-- if anything, they are the opposite, tending to downplay climate change.

    Or, to misquote Freud, "sometimes a leaf is just a leaf."

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    1. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I don't know about you in new England. I am here in Ye Olde England, and my globules are warm, thank you.

      Today, we are having a "Storm" - the biggest for 20 years.

      Man made? I am certain Trump did it!

    2. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by aicrules · · Score: 2

      If this was a post on a local New England forums, perhaps. But this is posted on Slashdot which MEANS it is meant to be about climate change because ZOMG climate change posts have become a major topic. This in no way was meant to be a post about the interesting science behind the change in color in leaves associated with Fall.

    3. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a post about science. It sounds like you literally cannot imagine being interested in science.

    4. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by aicrules · · Score: 1

      If this was somehow novel maybe. But it isn't. This isn't the magic schoolbus. This post was a thinly veiled attempt at furthering a political viewpoint.

    5. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Do you realize how paranoid you sound?

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    6. Re:sometimes a leaf is just a leaf [Re:Darn?] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the rest of the comments and tell me how many are discussing the science...yeah fuck off idiot

  12. It's because of daylight savings by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Instead of moving it to within a few weeks of Winter Solstice they should have moved it the other way. Or gotten rid of it all together. Then the Sun would come up later and it wouldn't be so warm.

  13. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got a maple with four different colors on it right now. The one next to it is 100% burgundy and it's been that color for almost two weeks. The one next to that is green, like nothing is going on. WTF are these people talking about?

    More media bullshit.

  14. Not Bullshit by tomhath · · Score: 1

    I have to believe it's both. Fruit trees (e.g. apples) depend on a certain number of cold days before they are ready to break dormancy. Maple trees start pumping sap in the Spring when the temperature is right (warm days and cold nights).

    1. Re:Not Bullshit by Train0987 · · Score: 0

      The number of cold days is a function of solar activity though.

    2. Re:Not Bullshit by orlanz · · Score: 1

      Ummm, no. Its the number of hours below certain temperatures. For many trees not in really cold regions, that would add up over the nights (ie: ~400 chill hr Cherries in Georgia). Cherries with high chill hours (900+) won't yield in the southern states. Warmer winters for both end up with little to no yields the coming year.

  15. What I hear from most AGW discourse on the net... by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Something something irrefutable proof! No not enough data! But but questionably funded study! I want to believe! I will stand firm in the face of all facts!

    I lied, it's more like this:

    A: My position is clearly the correct one, and all who do not hold it are imbeciles.
    B: My position is clearly the correct one, and all who do not hold it are imbeciles.

    At least they can agree on something.

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  16. Re:What I hear from most AGW discourse on the net. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? So we have NEVER, EVER experienced a 'delayed fall'? even 'no fall' (where the leaves are green & fall off as Winter comes storming in)...The point is that this is a 'single occurrence/even't and the GW advocates keep telling everyone that 'no single event/occurrence is evidence', this is usually pulled out when someone points out that in THEIR area of the country its been 'unseasonably cold' that's "proving GW isn't occurring". Now, I happen to believe this is true, no SINGLE event 'proves or disapproves GW' as that single event is about weather NOT climate. But what is 'good for the goose is good for the gander', so you can't have it both ways.

    Now, as it turns out, the summary doesn't say anything about the 'unseasonably warm weather' being linked to GW, and I don't have a Wall Street Journal account to read the full article, so I will assume YOU are the one trying to connect this to GW, and attempting to claim something that hasn't been claimed, in which case you should just stop.

    Shit happens, warm weather occurs and has before such that the leaves don't turn colors to make for a 'beautiful fall'...get over it.

  17. Re:Oversexed pine trees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even *trees* have more sex than you, Chris! But I guess they do it with bees, and we know your history with bees...

    "Buy time to be an allergy sufferer with massive pollen in the spring and fire smoke in the fall."

    More crammar, Chris? Put some effort into your comments, maybe then you'll have one sockpuppet with neutral karma... Or you can post Anonymous Cashew.

  18. Such vapid bullshit by argStyopa · · Score: 0

    OK, so now lackluster fall colors are the fault of global warming?

    Funny, driving the last couple of weeks through MN, and I thought the colors were particularly vibrant this year. In fact, I've commented aloud that it's like being in a Bob Ross painting.

    Add 'dull colors' to the list: http://www.whatreallyhappened....

    The idea that one warm autumn is anything unusual is nuts.

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    1. Re:Such vapid bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, so now lackluster fall colors are the fault of global warming?

      The phrase "global warming" was nowhere in the article or the summary.

      The article was about leaf colors. What is it with you, making everything about global warming?

      Funny, driving the last couple of weeks through MN, and...

      And Minnesota is relevant to a discussion of New England tree colors how?

    2. Re:Such vapid bullshit by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

      OK, so now lackluster fall colors are the fault of global warming?

      Nothing in the summary even hints at global warming. So what, exactly, are you so upset about?

    3. Re:Such vapid bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Straw-man fallacy.

      Neither the article nor summary blamed this on GW. You put words in their mouth and then proceeded to mock them.

      Such a vapid person you are, no?

    4. Re:Such vapid bullshit by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Oh and if you're wondering?

      This was taken a couple of days ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/minne...

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  19. Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    I grew up and lived in the North East and I have to say this, fall is the most overrated season ever which then allows us to be greeted by the worst season ever Winter.

    Let's list why fall stinks:

    1. It's the end of summer. Thank goodness the traditionally fall months are hot, but instead of a gradual weather change, it's now hot hot hot and then freezing cold. I'll take having a few extra months of hot weather before the frigid cold and ice sets in.

    2. High fall, ie the time when the leaves are the most colorful, only lasts at best 2 weeks. You have beautiful lush green forests, then red, brown orange, colorful forests, and then barren brown. It will remain barren and brown until mid-April/ early May. LAME!

    3. Seeing Christmas decorations, ads, and every worst aspect of the holiday season hit three months before the actual event. I wish someone would write a law that says Christmas can't be advertised or appear at all until the end of Thanksgiving.

    4. And the realization that winter is upon us. Every time I hear someone say they look forward to snow fall, I want to punch them in the face. Snow means freezing cold as I walk to the bus stop, snow means slushy $hit everywhere I walk, snow means spending time outside moving the crap around, snow means rusting vehicles, stale indoor air, obnoxiously heavy clothing, expensive heating oil bills, and maybe if i'm lucky there will be enough of the crap to force a work from home day. Maybe if winter disappeared immediately after New Years and spring began I would be happier, but no. You have to power through the crap for at least three more months.

    The only redeeming thing about winter are the sports. Thankfully, I've since relocated to a locale where the weather is hot and sunny 24/7 and it's possible for me to drive 2-3 hours to ski resorts packed with snow. Get my fix, and then drive back to a tropical paradise.

    1. Re:Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I (and I suspect anyone who is not an advertiser) am completely down with #3.

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    2. Re:Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      Fall is second worst, correct, but only after spring.

      Summer is best, winter is second.

      I hate those mushy-middle temperatures. Cold in the morning, warm in the afternoon? Just sort of cool outside but the sun is shining? You can't PLAN on that sort of weather. Do I wear a sweater or not? If I wear one, am I going to have to roll up my sleeves for 15s and then decide it's too cold for that? Make up your damn mind?

      You know where you stand with summer and winter. Gimme 25 to 30C and -20 to -30C, and I can work with that.

    3. Re:Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! by orlanz · · Score: 2

      NO. Fall is the best. I am from the South East. We all agree Winter sucks (and #3 on your list) so won't go into it.

      Summer... is too HOT. People think of swimming pools and ice cream. No one thinks about the smell of sweat, sun burn, and melted ice cream. Spring is when everything is trying to procreate. We get tons of pollen messing up everyone's sinuses. We have yellow streams running down sidewalks. Rain in both seasons are hot, humid, and icky. Both seasons have tons of bugs, mosquitoes, and gnats!

      Fall has nice cool breezes, warm sun, and you don't need to water the lawn 2x a week. Its small showers are nice and cool. The only thing negative (and #3 above) about Fall is all the leaf clutter that sticks around for 3 weeks.

    4. Re:Fall is Overrated, Winter can burn in hell! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I go back once a year for a week at Christmas and get my dose of snow and cold. It allows me to appreciate it out here.

      It's funny because I'll start muttering in December about how cold it is. I'll start wearing long pants and long sleeved shirts. Then I'll go back to the Northeast at Christmas, come back, and go, "My God! It's so warm!" And start wearing shorts when it's 60 degrees out.

  20. Re:What I hear from most AGW discourse on the net. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Preach! Everyone knows GW is nothing more than Big Rake attempting to muscle in on Big Snow Shovel marketshare! #MAGA

  21. Yeah... leave it to the WSJ, MSNBC of the right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leave it to the WSJ to run this story on the same day a huge cold front moved through the northeastern US.

    I swear they would run the article: "despite liberal cries, sky not actually blue" if their analytics software indicated they'd get a higher-than-average troll-response from it.

    1. Re:Yeah... leave it to the WSJ, MSNBC of the right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought Fox News was the MSNBC of the right?

  22. Frost warning tonight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7-10 days after first frost is usually color peak. We're a little late, but it'll happen.

  23. Snowflake Crybabying Again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didnâ(TM)t pump all of this fucking coal smog into the atmosphere for nothing you goddamn commies! This is the Autumn America CHOSE as the people - warm and unseasonable! Stop crying about a mild autumn and go join a liberal arts program! MAGA PRESIDENT TRUMP!!

  24. Skiing in Ohio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm from Ohio, and I'm about 50 years old.

    When I was a kid I used to go skiing. My parents would take me. We have a few local ski resorts, dinky little places. Boston Mills and Brandywine. Nothing much really. Basically a few ski lifts and a couple of hills not far from where the Cleveland Cavaliers used to play - the old Richfield Colosseum off route 303.

    And the skiing wasn't bad. Nobody would mistake it for Veil Colorado, but it wasn't bad.

    Now I'm older and you know what? It doesn't really snow in Ohio much anymore. I have two kids now. I really wanted to teach them how to ski and...I can't. We never get enough snow. Each resort these days will make artificial snow enough to keep one or two hills open, but it's basically an ice flow. You're not skiing, you're skating.

    When I was a kid you'd see an occasional flurry in October. I once went trick-or-treating in the snow. Show would pick up through November and by Christmas we would have a few feet of snow that would last through February.

    Now? It's too sporadic to build up a base to ski on. It'll snow, but then go up to 55 or 60 degrees and it all melts, then drop down to the mid 30s and hang for a week. Then drop to zero and snow. Then back up into the 50's. We never get anything worth skiing on. If we get a big snow it'll last for maybe a week or so. Enough to maybe go sledding on, but by the next week it's slush.

    I don't give a crap about politics.

    What I do know is that I used to have snow here, and now I don't.

    1. Re:Skiing in Ohio by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      You know, considering the winters we used to have here in Southern Ontario I don't mind this cold weather at all. Houses where having a second door on the second floor was mandatory? 5m lake-driven snowfalls because the lakes froze over late? Yeah it's pretty good. Well wait, that's still happening more or less. Minus the doors on the second floor so you could get out of your house. Pretty much any house that's 2 story and was built before 1950 had that little feature around here. I think it was 2010 though we got 18-20ft of snow over a 28hr period, nothing really huge. Luckily people don't die quite as often freezing to death in their cars, though teams of people are still out there pulling idiots out of their cars from a snowstorm and taking them to police stations or hospitals.

      Remember those winters so cold that you could wander into the forest in June and there's still be piles of snow on the ground? Yeah don't miss them a single bit, especially with how humid the winters were. Then again, you live in a temperate zone just like I do. We can go 70-80 years without weather that only people over 100 years old would remember, then have decades of really good weather with a green christmas to boot. The winter and summers of the 1940's were so warm that people were wondering if they were going to have any snow at all around here. Positive upside, bumper crops especially with WWII going on and all that.

      Then again, I remember driving through Ohio two winters ago and you had 3' of snow on the ground 1-2" of freezing rain on top of it and it was still there when I drove back through 3 months later from central Florida and people were worried that there was too much snow.

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    2. Re:Skiing in Ohio by fatwilbur · · Score: 1

      I call BS on this and all the other "I remember when I was a kid.." anecdotes that come up in these climate threads. Human perception, especially over long periods of time, is incredibly poor and should be given zero weight. If there's a noticeable decrease, such as snow to "no snow" this should show up clearly in some data. NONE I can find shows anything remotely similar to this for Ohio, in fact there's a ton of variability from year to year, and just recently have seen some of the largest snowfall amounts in many years.

      None of the climate articles on Ohio's past mention anything about such a drastic reduction in the amount of snow either. If the ski resorts are shutting down, sounds like it's economic reasons. The data otherwise doesn't support your memory.

    3. Re:Skiing in Ohio by sjames · · Score: 1

      Here in the South East, we never saw a lot of snow, but now we actually get summer like thunderstorms around Christmas time.

    4. Re:Skiing in Ohio by Evtim · · Score: 2

      /. does not allow us to host images or I would show you all the pictures taken on the same (birth)date throughout my life. In the 70-ties there is snow, consistently. Like the GP post I tried skying. In the 80-ties there is hardly snow, no snow since until we came to 2015 when the max temperature on that day was 22 degrees Celsius!

      During the last 15 years on our 120 year old far/farmland fruit trees are not fruiting because Jan and Feb are too warm, the trees begin to blossom too early and a March frost finishes them. All neighbors (many in their 70-ties, life time farmers) complain about it. And not just the trees - almost every agricultural crop needs additional help (e.g. temp greenhouse) because the natural variations of the weather are weird and not consistent anymore. The pests are multiplying (not cold enough to kill most of them in winter) and new ones appear that have not been seen before.

      People indeed have short memories. When last winter there was snow of 2 meters for 2 weeks people freaked out while this was normal for MONTHS back then. The snow stayed for so long that it got black from pollution. The preparations for the winter were major undertaking both privately (chains on the car tires) and on state level. Oh yes - we used to make pickled vegetables in jars on the balcony in the big city because the temperature will hardly rise above freezing for months. My mother would use the balcony as a second refrigerator! And a drier - ice forms and then sublimates leaving perfectly dry clothing.

      Fuck the politics, climate change is real and already costs us a lot!!

    5. Re:Skiing in Ohio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS on this and all the other "I remember when I was a kid.." anecdotes that come up in these climate threads. Human perception, especially over long periods of time, is incredibly poor and should be given zero weight. If there's a noticeable decrease, such as snow to "no snow" this should show up clearly in some data. NONE I can find shows anything remotely similar to this for Ohio, in fact there's a ton of variability from year to year, and just recently have seen some of the largest snowfall amounts in many years.

      None of the climate articles on Ohio's past mention anything about such a drastic reduction in the amount of snow either. If the ski resorts are shutting down, sounds like it's economic reasons. The data otherwise doesn't support your memory.

      Hey Carnac the Magnificent - I call BS on you talking out of your ass. I suppose you personally visited the guy and peformed a Vulcan mind meld to verify his story? Methinks explanation sounds like the miscellaneous ramblings of an Id10t snowflake...

  25. In South Carolina...er. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's annoying when you have to bundle up for Halloween, but this October has been actually *hot*. I've thought about turning the AC on again in the last couple of weeks. Usually I can go without heating or AC from about March to June, then again from about September to mid November. It is a hot year.

  26. What?!? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    > Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal

    Holy FS! I thought it was just me. We needed heat and aircon on the same day earlier this month.

    1. Re:What?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Temperatures in the eastern half of the country have been as much as 15 degrees above normal

      Holy FS! I thought it was just me. We needed heat and aircon on the same day earlier this month.

      Huh... ya know here on the central coast of California we don't have heating or air conditioning either in my home or my office -and that is not unusual. Temperatures range from warm to cool, sunny to rainy.

  27. Re:Oversexed pine trees... by FatCashewsSlapMe · · Score: 0

    Cousin, we're trying to help you overcome your obsession with fat porn. The first step is to admit that you have a problem and stop wanking off every five minutes. You need to go cold turkey.

  28. yep by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    half the trees in [downtown] dallas never even dropped their leaves from last year. we had at most 3 or 4 days where you had to wear a jacket.

  29. The trees by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The trees know what's up. They just aren't set to our timetables. The trees do what the trees want, Holmes, just like the rest of us.

  30. Re:CREIMER RATING: Not good by FatCashewsSlapMe · · Score: 0

    Imagine discovering that your grandparents were into wife swapping with some of their close friends and you discover that after your grandfather passed your incontinent grandmother started spending whole afternoons getting comfort from this other widow.

    My grandparents were Mormon. I don't have to imagine.

  31. It has a name by McFortner · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's called La Niña. It's happened before, and it will happen again. Nothing new here, just somebody who doesn't know any better panicking and setting other people off. #fakenews

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    1. Re:It has a name by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Panicking? About what?

      This is about fall foliage, and how the warm weather will reduce the appearance of certain colors. There is no "panic" here.

      But to correct your obvious (Russian) trolling, La Nina typically results in cooler temperatures for the Eastern US. If anything the temperatures should have been cooler, but they weren't due to a huge blocking ridge over the western half of the country. Blocking ridges such as these have become a more common occurrence as the northern jet weakens. The northern jet has been weakening over the past few decades as a result of a decreasing temperature differential between the southern and northern air masses. That differential has been decreasing because the arctic regions have seen a persistent and large positive temperature anomaly. That persistent large positive temperature anomaly is the result of an increase in greenhouse gases that has occurred, mostly centered in the northern hemisphere where most of the worlds population and production centers reside.

      But back to the original article, there is no panicking going on. Just a simple scientific observation. I understand how that could confuse someone like you.

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  32. Re:Oversexed pine trees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, my main porn fascination is tranny porn, specifically Brazillian and Mexican. I also quite enjoy BBW models like London Andrews. Trust me, an aging fat IT retard is nowhere on my radar.

    Secondly, I do masturbate once a night when I'm alone. Usually my sessions last from an hour to about three hours, until my phone sex credit runs out.

    But when I know my girlfriend is going to spend the weekend, I refrain

    You see, she's a BBW, the firm and curvy kind, not the unhealthy sloppy delusional kind. She doesn't know (yet) that I am deeply dysfunctional, but as disturbed as I am, I'm still far more normal and functional than you.

    Speaking of "functional", when's the last time you had an erection that didn't involve logging in as another Cashew? Creimer and his Cashews. Wow.

  33. CREIMER RATING: Not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See you failed to understand what I posted. Mormons are not ok with lesbian diaper munching.
    Jesus christ it's sad that a literal retard can make nearly 60k in Silicon Valley. You should quit your job and start advocating for tards in tech like a disabled zoe quinn. You'll probably make more money for easier work.

  34. Re:What I hear from most AGW discourse on the net. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we have NEVER, EVER experienced a 'delayed fall'?

    Sure we have. And we use to be able to have them without all media hysteria about climate warming and global change and stuff.

    Fall happens early? CLIMATE CHANGE!111. Fall happens late? CLIMATE CHANGE1!!. Trump did it you stupid denier!

  35. 1896 called by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    Did you misspell 'Arrhenius', or were you unaware that the theory of AGW predates An Inconvenient Truth by 11 decades?

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  36. Alaska by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2

    I remember when I was a kid, and the glacier near my house lost twenty cubic miles of ice in ten years. The number of frost-free days in Fairbanks has doubled since 1950. Glacial ice loss has been most noticeable from the lower alpine and tidewater glaciers, which would be the most accessible and visible ones. I believe we're up to about fifty cubic kilometers per year for the state overall.

    You can walk it back to people who live in places you care about, but there are any number of statistics to show that the Arctic at least is melting like gangbusters.

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  37. Nothing to see, move along by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Leaves normally begin changing color in the middle of October into November. Autumn ends December 21st. Everything is perfectly normal this year, a few individuals are seeing some localized phenomenon due to wildfires or storms in their local area.

  38. The center is squeezed out of the discourse by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    You're actually making it more difficult for the center leaning right to have civil discourse.

    I'd actually like to hear more from the center-leaning right. The far-right is completely drowning out the discourse (and for that matter, I'd be interested in hearing more from the center-leaning left.)

    And you're not alone, nearly all the people are polarized and the TrueLeft and True Right just can't believe what the center leaning on either side are talking about, that the opposition may have certain points worth discussing or that their argument is more nuanced than it is made out to be.

    Agree! Most of what passes for political discourse these days seems to be false dichotomy: if you're not far left, you must be fascist right / If you're not far right, you must be Stalinist left.

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  39. Re: Oversexed pine trees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C.D. Reimer is a renowned Slashdot collaborator, as he puts it himself; "Because of the quality of my posts and my article submissions, I'm a highly rated commentator and moderator."

    But does anybody ever wondered what "C.D." stands for? Well, it stands for Creimy Dumpty of course!

    Creimy Dumpty sat on the wall,
    Creimy Dumpty had a great fall.
    All the king's horses
    And all the king's men
    Couldn't put Creimy Dumpty
    Together again.

    Creimy's siblings video and theme song, very realistic, especially the pants, just like Creimy's:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oKreL1jvkg
    Creimy's real pictures:
    Before the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/cc7Ddw
    After the sex change:
    https://ibb.co/gVad65

    Creimy's "enterprise-level" chair, he talks about it all the time on slashdot:
    http://www.keynamics.com/images/bariatric-chair.jpg
    Creimy's head, while his supervisor was talking to him, not with him, since it is impossible to do with Creimy:
    https://school.discoveryeducation.com/clipart/images/ani-hello.gif
    Creimy acting in educational resource document, he actually confirmed himself on Slashdot that he was handled by Special Education for the Santa Clara County Office of Education! He is really a king Dumpty!:
    http://www.sccoe.org/depts/students/special-education/Documents/Guide%20to%20Adult%20Agencies.pdf

  40. Re:Oversexed pine trees... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we left you alone you'd make thousands of dumb comments with amazon links.