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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark Released
Canonical has made available the download links for Ubuntu 17.10 "Artful Aardvark". It comes with a range of new features, changes, and improvements including GNOME as the default desktop, Wayland display server by default, Optional X.org server session, Mesa 17.2 or Mesa 17.3, Linux kernel 4.13 or kernel 4.14, new Subiquity server installer, improved hardware support, new Ubuntu Server installer, switch to libinput, an always visible dock using Dash to Dock GNOME Shell extension, and Bluetooth improvements with a new BlueZ among others.
No, thanks
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
Yes, please--
Aardvarks are cool animals though.
And seriously, who even remembers the animal name? If I'm googling a specific release I almost always use the number, but if not then I use "Trusty" or "Precise" or whatever. I seldom even remember what the animal was.
One thing I know, and that is that I am ignorant...
While no less complex, I posit that "Awful Aardvark" would at least be more accurate.
Although I have been using Xubuntu for a while now and have gotten used to fighting with its annoyances, I think it is now time to switch to
another distribution. The easiest would probably be to go back to Debian, but that had caused me some problems when using the latest hardware.
So what would be a good Ubuntu/Xubuntu replacement? I would like to stay with xfce and would want less systemd interference in areas where it
has no business to interfere, like my network settings.
...would be Annoying Asshole.
The summary links to the download page, but for once I'd have liked to read TFA (don't ask, I'm odd that way).
Also, when visiting their their homepage I'm greeted with a big invitation to try out whatever Kubernetes is (let's call it the BSoK).
No mention of this new release however, and no link to it jumps at me straight away. Anyone help me out here?
... and not coming back
It's also an anagram to "A Dark Larva Turf". Also, as a bonus, "Aardvark" looks vaguely similar to "awkward", which is exactly the feeling that Ubuntu returning back to Gnome feels to me.
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Maybe I should have gone straight for "Awful Awkward" above...
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More like Debian? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running OpenBSD without systemd as usual and life is good.
Where are my Ärisevä Änkyrimato and Örisevä Örkki?
It's from Afrikaans, translates as 'earth pig'.
Me, plus anyone who owns a taxi company.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
No thanks, I enjoyed Ubuntu when it had the Gnome 2 layout which is Mate today. Before Mate took off I jumped ship from Ubuntu to Linux Mint and it's been running fine for me with the Cinnamon desktop. I also noticed Mint tend to install easier than Ubuntu at the time compared to Ubuntu with all the things I liked. Gnome 3 gives me the same bad feeling in my stomach Unity did when I tried using that.
I don't need people reinventing the whole wheel on me and Mint/Cinnamon provided me an out back then which I'm sticking with. If I didn't have Cinnamon then Mate and/or XFCE would be the desktop of choice for me. Hopefully nobody gets the bright idea to pull a Gnome on any of those three projects. I've had enough mobile/flat/fisher price styled interfaces to last me a life time.
What are you, some kind of commie?
You jest I know, but I am running OpenBSD on my laptop machine and life really is good. It works perfectly.
More like OpenBSD? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running NetBSD on a toaster without systemd as usual and life is good.
More like NetBSD? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running Minix3 without systemd as usual and life is good.
Is there any other kind?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is anyone seriously competing to gain desktop OS marketshare from Microsoft and Apple at this point, though? Last I heard, all of the Linux distributions combined make up less than 3% of desktop OS installs for the past few years.
At this point, it's more about refining the server side features and keeping the few diehards that use Linux as a desktop OS happy.
As a Dutch person I find the spelling completely obvious :)
What I do dislike is the triple name (17.10 + Artful + Aardvark), it makes it less obvious what to search on and e.g. for deb lines I can never remember which adjective is which release.
but how many people will remember instantly the correct spelling of "Aardvark"?
Everyone. Most people think it's the fist word in the dictionary (and aside from "a" it actually is the first one in common usage) and thus know it starts with 2 As and the rest of the word is spelled quite phonetically.
It seems more people can correctly spell aardvark than know the difference between then and than, there and their, etc.
More like Minix3? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running Plan9 without systemd as usual and life is good.
I only ever bother to remember the version number, since that's nice and easy .(04 or 10 for april and october respectively).
They can enjoy their cutesy codename, but much easier for me to remember the numbers since they are date based.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
wake me up when they get rid of systemd and become a Linux distro again.....
having much more fun with rolling releases of actual Linux and beginning to learn BSD ....
Can somebody please mod down the parent comment? It is not "interesting". It just asks a bunch of vague, asinine Hacker News-style "questions", peppered with a bunch of vague, asinine Hacker News-style egotistical blabber.
Honestly, the GNOME project is representative of everything that can possibly be wrong with an open source project, I think.
It's not just "some features" that are affected. It's pretty much EVERYTHING about GNOME 3 that's fucked up in one way or another. I'm not talking about just the software, either. The problems are project-wide, in my experience.
And what's this "constructive proposition to change it" and "aim for a change" bullshit that you're talking about? Normal users and developers don't have a fucking hope in hell of influencing the GNOME project in a good direction. The past decade should make this obvious!
Your "don't use it" idea is probably the best out of all the bullshit that you've barfed out in your useless comment. That's what most people have done. Not only that, but since so many Linux distros use GNOME 3 by default most of these people have ditched Linux completely in favor of Windows or macOS. GNOME 3 is a big reason why traditional Linux distros struggles to attract more than 2% to 3% of the desktop/laptop market. Even more telling is how successful Android has been, which basically throws away GNOME, X, and most other open source software, and replaces it with proprietary alternatives.
The Linux kernel only ever succeeds in situations where GNOME isn't present! That's why a comment that says "GNOME? No, thanks" is so insightful. Those 3 words perfectly describe how users feel about GNOME these days. Those 3 words are more insightful and informative than all of the cow piss you've spilled all over Slashdot with your moronic comment.
Your comment reads like 2008-era Obama "Change We Can Believe In" nonsense. Either you're naive, or willfully stupid. While you're off in your nonsensical make-believe land where open source projects like GNOME give a fuck about their users and listen to them, the rest of us are in the real world where a project like GNOME shits rotten defecate like GNOME 3 all over us.
While I don't use Gnome nor Unity, there were aspects of both that I think are impressive. I'd always thought that if someone managed to combine Gnome's speed and integration with Unity's practicality, HUD and ease of use, it'd be a great desktop.
Unfortunately, this is more gnome3 with a nod to unity, than their lovechild. Gone are global menus, the HUD, application key shortcuts, application categories and the elegant window decoration integration* in Unity.
Some of these things still live on in ubuntu-mate mutiny layout, which I think has more of a shot of retaining Unity's features while dropping the bloat.
*by which I mean integrating the window decoration and menu beautifully into the DE when in full screen mode.
More like Minix3? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running Unix V7 without systemd as usual and life is good.
What are you some kind of <insert-out-of-fashion-political-system-of-the-current-antagonist-country-of-the-decade>?
... or where to put an adverb.
More like Plan9? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running BeOS without systemd as usual and life is good.
Maybe if you didn't let other people pick your DE/WM like a Linux noob you wouldn't need to complain. On the other hand if you are a noob, then you have to right to complain, you get what you're given.
Ick... I tried using it for about 5 minutes and gave up..
More like Minix3? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running GNU Hurd without systemd as usual and life is good.
Gnome and SystemD help us all!
More like Unix V7? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running BSD 1.0 without systemd as usual and life is good.
Is Unity still available as a supported optional package or has it been purged the way Stalin erased Nikolai Yezhov ?
No, the first word in the dictionary is "AAAAAuto Repair" right next to "AAAAAHome Improvements".
OpenBSD is my favorite OS, hands down. I tend towards the minimalist in computing, so OpenBSD works great for me. No systemd, no bad politics, just a great OS that does what I want with a great license.
I will use Fedora every now and again, but I always come back to OpenBSD running Lumina.
More like stone tablets? No Thanks. What a train wrek. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running papyrus paper 1.0 without systemd as usual and life is good.
How does this Wayland thing to with complex 3D game? Is it simply a drop-in replacement and everything will "just work"?
"Time to switch distributions"
If 2005 has ever called, this must be it.
I don't care what Ubuntu decides to use since I use Arch. That doesn't mean I can't cringe when observing what Ubuntu is doing.
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It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save *BSD from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
I spent years and years on Debian, and one look at Debian 9.2.0 I wanted it on my workstation a fully souped up Z840 3 samsung 850 EVO 1TB drives and a 6TB hard drive and all the other NSA shit peculiarities of the Z840.
Downloaded the DVDs and you select which desktop, you want to use and you select systemd if you want it.
All the years I have spent on Linux and the various desktops and I could not get Debian 9.2.0 to install on the Z840 it would just freeze up no error messages nothing it would just lock up.
Such a pity I am going to have to install it on my old e-mail HP workstation instead a old XW6600. I no longer run my own e-mail I pay somebody else to do it.
Debian 9.2.0 looks good. I do not like Virtual box systems.
With beta2 it finally installed on my HP. Now it is dual booting with Windows 10 which I tend to almost never use. Not perfect, but after Mac OS X the environment I feel most at ease with. Unity or not, I really don't care since it works for me. So my thanks to the people who made it possible.
Life Lesson #42: NEVER stray from an Ubuntu LTS release.
Ask me how I know this.
I lost all faith in the animal naming scheme ever since they failed to deliver the fabled Wanking Walrus.
You jest I know, but I am running OpenBSD on my laptop machine and life really is good. It works perfectly.
I tried to run OpenBSD on a laptop and it didn't work for me because they had rejected a perfectly legit patch someone had contributed back to make my NIC work on the basis that it wasn't OK to include it because the values the patch was based on came from Linux, in spite of the fact that it's been well-established that if all you got were values, it's OK to get the info from Linux. I tried to apply the patch myself, but it was too old, and I couldn't figure out how to make it work because I'm not much of a programmer. So then I installed Debian and now I can use that laptop.
The biggest problem with OpenBSD is attitude, and the second-biggest problem is lack of driver support, which is caused by overabundance of attitude.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
More like papyrus paper? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running drawings on cave walls without systemd as usual and life is good.
You need to understand that Theo and crew cannot include GPL'd software in the core OS. It simply cannot happen. The BSD and GPL licenses are mutually exclusive. The BSD license is maximally free, the GPL is not.
Is that a euphemism for faggot
Apparently just before the Ubuntu 17.10 release a few flying ones were spotted.
On this planet? Of course, there is. There's always more than one of almost everything!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
You need to understand that Theo and crew cannot include GPL'd software in the core OS. It simply cannot happen. The BSD and GPL licenses are mutually exclusive. The BSD license is maximally free, the GPL is not.
The audience needs to understand that you're posting anonymously because you're ignorant at best, or possibly just being deliberately disingenuous. There is absolutely zero problem with simply copying some constants from Linux to make an existing driver in OpenBSD work with an additional variant of the same hardware. This has already been hashed out and argued over, and it's been determined that it's OK. No actual source code was copied in the creation of the driver.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
With the right application of force, there's the sky pig. But they have a very short lifespan.
Chill out. You have to call it something. The animal naming convention is something someone in marketing thought up. It attracted attention in the early days. Now it does no harm - leave it be.
...about Masturbating Monkey.
You missed my point or else I wrote poorly. Theo and crew don't like using GPL'd software for a number of reasons, least of all the license. The OpenBSD devs likely write the best wifi drivers out there and they do this with very little cooperation from the vendors. OpenBSD has consistently said they will not use GPL'd bits.
The following snippet is taken from the "Getting Started with OpenBSD Device Driver Development"
Getting Started with OpenBSD Device Driver Development
Licensing
Follow the project’s copyright policy:
http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html
New code should be ISC-licensed /usr/share/misc/license.template
Honour the rights of authors
Many authors do not want their code copied into OpenBSD
This includes GPL and other incompatible open source licences
And calling it an Awful Aardvarks isn't improving things...
I'm waiting for Deadly Dropbear 19.04
Or your point is irrelevant. Read what two people have explained to you:
Constants.
Not code.
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You jest, but I you're using modern Intel processor more likely you're using Minix3 in its subsystem ;)
So Ubuntu has lapped itself in letter-names back to 'A' and people are still complaining about basic usage and stability issues.
"Linux for Humans" == "Linux that acts like Windows"
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
bsd is a great license if you're a whore of leech corporations.
More like Ubuntu? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running Debian without systemd and life is good.
Consider switching to Devuan when Devuan Ascii is released.
Debian is going to make it harder and harder to stay away from systemd as new releases come out.
For example, the Debian packaging for redis dropped support for non-systemd init systems in Debian Buster (testing).
Note: Upstream redis still ships with support for SysV.
Or if you're a programmer and want to re-use code with no restrictions. Like it or not, the BSD and ISC licenses are maximally free. ISC and BSD require the license stays intact and you give credit to the author. I'll happily take maximally free. I don't care where my own code ends up. I attach an ISC license to even small shell scripts at work. Protects me (indemnify), gives anyone else a chance to do what they want with it.
i'm an archlinux user too but i hope it's a good release for ubuntu. some ideas. some may not be any good. :)
i hope they double/triple down on making a distro for non technical people. office workers and non tech home users. they could have two install profiles for ubuntu desktop. home and office. office would have options for active directory, etc. ubuntu should build in a subsystem for windows apps. iow, the ability to transparently install and run any windows app. (never should have let MS figure this out first.) there's always some old, crusty, industry specific, proprietary app a company has to run that keeps them from being able to switch to gnu/linux. make ubuntu rock solid and super simple to use for the office and users will switch at home. If ubuntu does a good enough job those non technical users will stay nicely contained in ubuntu land too. The rest of the gnu/Linux space will benefit from the adoption without having to deal with as much of the downsides, assuming linux distros don't rest on their security laurels. some home users would probably pay a yearly subscription for 24/7 phone/chat/email(let them choose) support. don't try to push it on them but make it available in the settings. you could also build in single issue tech support. get help with one issue right now for $x. maybe have different rates based on country of the support rep. don't ever pop up asking about commercial features. just have the option to activate them hiding in settings guis. same thing with bug reporting. build in trustworthy, automated, secure bug reporting that the user can *opt-in* to. IOW, do apport like you have some common sense. don't have pop ups with "how to be a nerd" instructions. norms don't want that. just allow people to opt in and then do it 100% transparently. use this data to improve ubuntu. you could also build in a feedback feature that knows what window was open, etc that would allow users to complain about friction points. have that whole layer or the GUI, *opt in* as well. people could turn it on just to report something if they wanted to. ubuntu could have that avail just for supported installs or internal testing versions if it made more $ sense.
--run windows apps
--focus on user experience(if users have to mess with the OS at all, you're doing it wrong)
--completely automate all updates
--bake in transparent security
--contribute $ or devs to upstream projects that ubuntu depends on. this will build good will in the community. kind of like they are doing with gnome right now.
--i'm not sure what to say about appimage/flatpac/snaps as i haven't had time to dive in but i would support a solution if there were a layer above package managers that all distros could choose to support. you could have universal linux packaging but still use distro repos. automate the building/rebuilding so maintainers don't have to try and keep up, but don't send people all over the internet looking for packages, like windows.
ubuntu should build in a subsystem for windows apps. iow, the ability to transparently install and run any windows app.
sudo apt install wine and bug the maintainers of the Windows apps you use for Wine fixes, which shouldn't be any bigger than the fixes that were needed to port an app from Windows 98 to XP or from XP to 7.
My first thought on seeing the picture was that they were fictional things from H.P. Lovecraft. Ruth truly is stranger than Richard!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
More like cave drawingz? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running arranged sticks in the dirt without systemd as usual and life is good.
where things are headed. :(
i don't care about Gnome, I run XFCE and like the enhancements Mint has done to it. But I am really starting to keep my eyes open for other distros, preferably system-d-free. The wheels are just starting to wobble on the bus.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
If you don't like what systemd has done to Linux, then FreeBSD is the place to go. It is basically Linux minus the bloat.
More accurately, it predates Linux, so Linux is basically FreeBSD but with more bloat.
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This sounds a bit odd tbh, because... I agree, it has been hashes out, it is ok, it's been done FreeBSD, I know that first hand, because I did it. I'm pretty sure OpenBSD will have done this as some point as well. One thing in defence of OpenBSD, their drivers while fewer, tend to be higher quality, less verbose and hacky then it's siblings.
Check at sourceforge.net/projects/unity7sl/
Cheers!
Installed it yesterday, and it's a total mess! Mouse hangs (constantly!) and most of my apps no longer worked. Spent about half a day with it and ended up having to do a complete re-install of 17.04 Gnome. Beware!! I advise against upgrading to this on a machine that gets used for real work...
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