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Ubuntu 17.10 Artful Aardvark Released
Canonical has made available the download links for Ubuntu 17.10 "Artful Aardvark". It comes with a range of new features, changes, and improvements including GNOME as the default desktop, Wayland display server by default, Optional X.org server session, Mesa 17.2 or Mesa 17.3, Linux kernel 4.13 or kernel 4.14, new Subiquity server installer, improved hardware support, new Ubuntu Server installer, switch to libinput, an always visible dock using Dash to Dock GNOME Shell extension, and Bluetooth improvements with a new BlueZ among others.
Aardvarks are cool animals though.
And seriously, who even remembers the animal name? If I'm googling a specific release I almost always use the number, but if not then I use "Trusty" or "Precise" or whatever. I seldom even remember what the animal was.
One thing I know, and that is that I am ignorant...
Why is this considered insightful? You think some features are missing, incomplete or implemented inconvenient? Fine. Name them and make a constructive proposition to change it. You do not like how GNOME is governed? Fine. Explain and aim for a change. You do not like GNOME? Fine. Don't use it. There are other options available. Unfortunately, you made a micro statement without giving a reason.
More like Ubuntu? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running Debian without systemd and life is good.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
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On the one hand you take life too seriously, and on the other, you do not take playful existence seriously enough. Seth
Although I have been using Xubuntu for a while now and have gotten used to fighting with its annoyances, I think it is now time to switch to
another distribution. The easiest would probably be to go back to Debian, but that had caused me some problems when using the latest hardware.
So what would be a good Ubuntu/Xubuntu replacement? I would like to stay with xfce and would want less systemd interference in areas where it
has no business to interfere, like my network settings.
... and not coming back
It's also an anagram to "A Dark Larva Turf". Also, as a bonus, "Aardvark" looks vaguely similar to "awkward", which is exactly the feeling that Ubuntu returning back to Gnome feels to me.
Ezekiel 23:20
Maybe I should have gone straight for "Awful Awkward" above...
Ezekiel 23:20
The OMG Ubuntu site has a pretty good overview.
More like Debian? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running OpenBSD without systemd as usual and life is good.
KDE? 'K!
Ezekiel 23:20
It's from Afrikaans, translates as 'earth pig'.
Me, plus anyone who owns a taxi company.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
No thanks, I enjoyed Ubuntu when it had the Gnome 2 layout which is Mate today. Before Mate took off I jumped ship from Ubuntu to Linux Mint and it's been running fine for me with the Cinnamon desktop. I also noticed Mint tend to install easier than Ubuntu at the time compared to Ubuntu with all the things I liked. Gnome 3 gives me the same bad feeling in my stomach Unity did when I tried using that.
I don't need people reinventing the whole wheel on me and Mint/Cinnamon provided me an out back then which I'm sticking with. If I didn't have Cinnamon then Mate and/or XFCE would be the desktop of choice for me. Hopefully nobody gets the bright idea to pull a Gnome on any of those three projects. I've had enough mobile/flat/fisher price styled interfaces to last me a life time.
More like OpenBSD? No Thanks. What a train wreck. They're still creating login problems and crap like that. Now I'm running NetBSD on a toaster without systemd as usual and life is good.
Is there any other kind?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is anyone seriously competing to gain desktop OS marketshare from Microsoft and Apple at this point, though? Last I heard, all of the Linux distributions combined make up less than 3% of desktop OS installs for the past few years.
At this point, it's more about refining the server side features and keeping the few diehards that use Linux as a desktop OS happy.
As a Dutch person I find the spelling completely obvious :)
What I do dislike is the triple name (17.10 + Artful + Aardvark), it makes it less obvious what to search on and e.g. for deb lines I can never remember which adjective is which release.
but how many people will remember instantly the correct spelling of "Aardvark"?
Everyone. Most people think it's the fist word in the dictionary (and aside from "a" it actually is the first one in common usage) and thus know it starts with 2 As and the rest of the word is spelled quite phonetically.
It seems more people can correctly spell aardvark than know the difference between then and than, there and their, etc.
Everything about GNOME Shell is missing, incomplete or inconvenient, by design. The defaults are just unbearable. I need to install 10 different extensions to get some basic usable desktop, and they are often either not maintained any more, crashing or simply not installing because of version conflict. I have to use tweak tool to enable some features that GNOME devs think (for some stupid reason) are not needed. So how's that good f or average user with little Linux experience? Even after all those tweaks and extensions it is slow, ugly and lacking in functionality. The default apps set sucks. Evolution? Oh please, what a joke.
What is the target audience for GNOME? Linux hardcore users like me? I don't need the idiotic simplicity, I need a functional customizable, beautiful desktop. Users with little PC or Linux knowledge? I bet they'll run away from it first hour of use. With the dynamic desktops and lack of minimize button.
Now, suppose they learned somehow about extensions.gnome.org. They go there and try to install some - NO. You need first the browser extension. Alright, got it. Can be proceed? NO. You need some bullshit crap called chrome-shell which installation instructions far from obvious for average user.
It's fucking pathetic. I am Ubuntu user for 12 years, quite loved Unity (despite the bugs and rough edges it's perfectly usable desktop), now switched to Kununtu and never looked back. It's amazing, far more into the Linux Desktop 2017 than any GNOME disaster would ever be.
I only ever bother to remember the version number, since that's nice and easy .(04 or 10 for april and october respectively).
They can enjoy their cutesy codename, but much easier for me to remember the numbers since they are date based.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
While I don't use Gnome nor Unity, there were aspects of both that I think are impressive. I'd always thought that if someone managed to combine Gnome's speed and integration with Unity's practicality, HUD and ease of use, it'd be a great desktop.
Unfortunately, this is more gnome3 with a nod to unity, than their lovechild. Gone are global menus, the HUD, application key shortcuts, application categories and the elegant window decoration integration* in Unity.
Some of these things still live on in ubuntu-mate mutiny layout, which I think has more of a shot of retaining Unity's features while dropping the bloat.
*by which I mean integrating the window decoration and menu beautifully into the DE when in full screen mode.
apt install xfce
apt install kde
apt install wmaker
apt install fvwm
apt install lxde
It sounds like you just don't like the default settings, extensions, or apps. That's not really a problem with gnome IMO. It provides a good platform for getting things right, and it's up to the distros to tweak it accordingly. Ubuntu has taken a step towards doing that with giving you Dash to Dock by default.
This is just not true. A basic set of plugins come with Ubuntu and they work fine on my machine. You say it is unbearable. Can you make that specific?
Your other points are rather an issue with the bundling of the distribution. However, if you want to configure everything personally, there is a solution. Use KDE. There is even for Ubuntu-lovers a Kubuntu available.
I don't care what Ubuntu decides to use since I use Arch. That doesn't mean I can't cringe when observing what Ubuntu is doing.
Ezekiel 23:20
I just love Kununtu!
You jest I know, but I am running OpenBSD on my laptop machine and life really is good. It works perfectly.
I tried to run OpenBSD on a laptop and it didn't work for me because they had rejected a perfectly legit patch someone had contributed back to make my NIC work on the basis that it wasn't OK to include it because the values the patch was based on came from Linux, in spite of the fact that it's been well-established that if all you got were values, it's OK to get the info from Linux. I tried to apply the patch myself, but it was too old, and I couldn't figure out how to make it work because I'm not much of a programmer. So then I installed Debian and now I can use that laptop.
The biggest problem with OpenBSD is attitude, and the second-biggest problem is lack of driver support, which is caused by overabundance of attitude.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Cinnamon!
How do you know this?
I've recently started using Ubuntu Gnome and am surprised that the Gnome desktop is both original (it doesn't just straight rip off old versions off Windows or the Mac like other DE's), and very pleasant to use. I think it's great.
Apparently just before the Ubuntu 17.10 release a few flying ones were spotted.
On this planet? Of course, there is. There's always more than one of almost everything!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
> You think some features are missing, incomplete or implemented inconvenient?
All of the above!
Gnome team simply ignores it own users, the developer way is the ONLY way and they are always correct. They do not even listen to other apps developers... They fail to understand that "one size fits all" do not work, that their "great UX" isn't that great and giving the option to customize something is not the end of the world. Trying to talk with the devs is a totally waste of time. They are mini-"Lennart Poettering"
Long ago i found the correct way to this behavior, simply do not use GNOME, avoid GTK3 and refuse to support other people GNOME problems. There are better alternatives! GNOME is not even lighter than KDE anymore, its just a major pile of interdependent daemons and right now, QT also have a good license, so GNOME lost in almost all fronts.
Notice that i'm not the only one, i already see many apps switching from gtk2 to other toolkits or keeping in gtk2. Mate and cinnamon have grown a lot.
Basically, GNOME still exists mostly because redhat/centos/fedora keep it as the default and recommended DE. Other distros may have it, but it are simpler to switch and several give the choice to switch the DE directly in the install.
Higuita
You need to understand that Theo and crew cannot include GPL'd software in the core OS. It simply cannot happen. The BSD and GPL licenses are mutually exclusive. The BSD license is maximally free, the GPL is not.
The audience needs to understand that you're posting anonymously because you're ignorant at best, or possibly just being deliberately disingenuous. There is absolutely zero problem with simply copying some constants from Linux to make an existing driver in OpenBSD work with an additional variant of the same hardware. This has already been hashed out and argued over, and it's been determined that it's OK. No actual source code was copied in the creation of the driver.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
With the right application of force, there's the sky pig. But they have a very short lifespan.
Hmmm... I'm still using Ubuntu 16.04 as my desktop (with Unity) at home (dual boot, depending on what I want to do). I'm using it right now to type this. However, most of my Linux use, particularly at work, revolves around LAMP(ython) development. Now, with Windows Subsystem for Linux, I can actually have a working dev environment and use the Windows desktop and editors of my choice, then push my code to the fully Linux web servers for QA and production. No more dual booting, no extra work to make a virtual box share resources... I want to do my work, not waste time configuring things. I suspect full installs of Ubuntu will be a thing of the past for me in relatively short order, now, instead sticking with Windows and WSL.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Or your point is irrelevant. Read what two people have explained to you:
Constants.
Not code.
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So Ubuntu has lapped itself in letter-names back to 'A' and people are still complaining about basic usage and stability issues.
"Linux for Humans" == "Linux that acts like Windows"
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
It works pretty well, slight slowdown.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan....
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
Everything about GNOME Shell is missing, incomplete or inconvenient, by design. ... I have to use tweak tool to enable some features that GNOME devs think (for some stupid reason) are not needed. So how's that good f or average user with little Linux experience? ... Evolution? Oh please, what a joke.
You answered your own question. GNOME Shell is intended to be simple enough for an average, non-computer-savvy, person to be able to pick up and use. I'd say it does fairly well there
What is the target audience for GNOME? Linux hardcore users like me? I don't need the idiotic simplicity, I need a functional customizable, beautiful desktop. Users with little PC or Linux knowledge? I bet they'll run away from it first hour of use. With the dynamic desktops and lack of minimize button.
One of the biggest complaints lobbed at Linux is the "using the command line..." answers on most forums. If I can get to my browser/email/calculator/word processor in a couple clicks. Job done. Not everybody needs or wants to customize every single pixel on their screen. Use KDE for that.
Now, suppose they learned somehow about extensions.gnome.org. They go there and try to install some - NO. You need first the browser extension. Alright, got it. Can be proceed? NO. You need some bullshit crap called chrome-shell which installation instructions far from obvious for average user.
Funny, it works with Firefox (the default browser on Ubuntu) without installing extensions. The same users that don't care to customize probably won't know or care about the difference between Firefox and Chrome.
It's fucking pathetic. I am Ubuntu user for 12 years, quite loved Unity (despite the bugs and rough edges it's perfectly usable desktop), now switched to Kununtu and never looked back. It's amazing, far more into the Linux Desktop 2017 than any GNOME disaster would ever be.
I'm still undecided about my desktop environment. I like how Gnome gets out of the way and lets me work - though yes, I do need some extensions from the repos to get look/feel right for me. I like the customizability of KDE, but it's bloated and sometimes slows things down - Why are there three places to navigate to to change your desktop theme? Shouldn't I be able to change my window decoration, interface buttons, and task bar all in the same place?. I never liked Unity. Cinnamon is what I end up using at work, and it works fairly well without being in the way or slowing me down. However I find myself using Gnome at home on both my desktop and laptop.
ubuntu should build in a subsystem for windows apps. iow, the ability to transparently install and run any windows app.
sudo apt install wine and bug the maintainers of the Windows apps you use for Wine fixes, which shouldn't be any bigger than the fixes that were needed to port an app from Windows 98 to XP or from XP to 7.
My first thought on seeing the picture was that they were fictional things from H.P. Lovecraft. Ruth truly is stranger than Richard!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'm assuming you're talking about 2.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Some later versions of Mate now use GTK3, and it shows. I don't mean that in a good way.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
that is always what they say as a sorry excuse: ... )
- Not our problem, our solution is perfect!! (end of discussion/ticket close/thread closed)
- OTHER people will develop some extension to change that! just wait (
- Distros should/will/must tune that for you. (distros don't even like to compile gnome, its a cluster fuck of circular dependencies and extra patches to solve yet another problem)
- You are not a normal user! (because they are experts and KNOW what is a normal user)
i have yet to find a new user that likes GNOME3, people that i know that like gnome are long time redhat/fedora users, that slowly learn to like it because they also do not know anything else
Higuita
you can customize WAY more linux than windows or macosX. And if you can customize, you can turn it to what you define beautiful (because everyone likes different things)
Higuita
where things are headed. :(
i don't care about Gnome, I run XFCE and like the enhancements Mint has done to it. But I am really starting to keep my eyes open for other distros, preferably system-d-free. The wheels are just starting to wobble on the bus.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I'm not sure you fully understand the problem that gnome is trying to solve. It's OK to develop a base to add on to. That's how software development works. Pushing customization and extensions out to the distros is the *right* thing to do. No one will ever agree on defaults/customizations, so not spending lots of time on that for the default gnome3 is just more efficient.
FWIW I just switched from Windows to Ubuntu on my office computer and I tried Budgie, Mate, KDE, and Gnome3. I much prefer gnome3. This is mainly due to the full screen app selector and window picker (also I love the hot corner) and awesome extension support (love "Workspaces to dock").
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Ah.. So it supports some extended characters, but not Vietnamese.
Unity is the main reason I have stuck with Ubuntu this long. With that gone it may be time to find a new distro. I have lost confidence in Canonical.
Already I've started to switch my Docker containers from Ubuntu to Alpine Linux. That's made me realize how bloated and complicated Ubuntu often is. It usually takes like half the time to do an uncached build of an Alpine based insane versus an equivalent Ubuntu based image.
Ideally I'd like to find something that has both a minimalist server flavor available, as well as a full desktop flavor. For now that's still very convenient. In a few years I expect it won't matter nearly so much.
It's been dramatically improving.
Some of the earlier tests I read had a small percentage even running.
This one with pretty consistently withing 10% and most things running, commercial even, is good.
I think it's a pretty reasonable time to switch with a true X session as an option, but no longer the default.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
BSD is not actual Linux.
I would agree with that, if gnome3 was light and simple... it is not, there are out there many simple and light WM and even DE that offer customization build in and are way smaller and ligher than gnome3
Is it very modular to allow other to adapt?... it is not, you have many libs and programs, but again, its a circular dependency, you can not replace then. Most light WM and DE allow one to replace a program by another. I do understand that modular, changeable components is hard when you have more complex solutions... but gnome3 is way more complex than it should.
Does it allow customization? no, design is perfect!!! build extensions to change it, yet gnome3 is a "moving target by design", so extensions keep breaking when they exist in the first place. Core gnome3 developers also do not create any extension, they do not care about other people opinion or needs, so they are just pushing the "problem" to distros, uses, other devs. All this extension design also keep pushing resources demand and yet more complexity
Many "features" in gnome are solutions in search of a problem and the problems are left unsolved. that is why they had a major drop in user base
notice that KDE also suffer from some of this problems, its far from perfect, but at least is flexible, allow lot of customization with the default install
Probably because many people are used to see the never ending list of services in windows, but in linux, in the past, we had few services running on a DE that could do almost the same thing, using lot less resources
Higuita
Installed it yesterday, and it's a total mess! Mouse hangs (constantly!) and most of my apps no longer worked. Spent about half a day with it and ended up having to do a complete re-install of 17.04 Gnome. Beware!! I advise against upgrading to this on a machine that gets used for real work...
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