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Tech Companies To Lobby For Immigrant 'Dreamers' To Remain In US (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Nearly two dozen major companies in technology and other industries are planning to launch a coalition to demand legislation that would allow young, illegal immigrants a path to permanent residency, according to documents seen by Reuters. The Coalition for the American Dream intends to ask Congress to pass bipartisan legislation this year that would allow these immigrants, often referred to as "Dreamers," to continue working in the United States, the documents said. Alphabet Inc's Google, Microsoft Corp, Amazon.com Inc, Facebook Inc, Intel Corp, Uber Technologies Inc, IBM Corp, Marriott International Inc and other top U.S. companies are listed as members, one of the documents shows. The push for this legislation comes after President Donald Trump's September decision to allow the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program to expire in March. That program, established by former President Barack Obama in 2012, allows approximately 900,000 illegal immigrants to obtain work permits. Some 800 companies signed a letter to Congressional leaders after Trump's decision, calling for legislation protecting Dreamers. That effort was spearheaded by a pro-immigration reform group Facebook Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg co-founded in 2013 called FWD.us.

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  1. Yes they are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's where I get into arguments with my Berkeley, CA family members.

    To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds, Child Tax credit, Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and education credits, and what have you.

    The poor bastard whose Social Security they used gets a letter stating that "they have already filed taxes" and we get that mess.

    But wait! There's more!

    See, since the illegal alien is running around with that person's SSN - even if they DON'T get credit - there are many other businesses that use it for background checks, governments who use it, and so forth.

    So, when the American goes for a mortgage or student loan or whatever, their identity is flagged. Uh, you're here in Virginia but there's all this activity in California. This doesn't look right. DECLINED.

    And it's up to the American to sort it out - including all the costs.

    Solution? Immigration reform.

    1. Re:Yes they are. by nomadic · · Score: 5, Informative

      "To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds, Child Tax credit, Earned Income Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, and education credits, and what have you."

      Not true; Dreamers are (well, were) eligible for social security numbers.

      "To work in companies, the illegals use other people's Social Security numbers, they will then files taxes to get their refunds,"

      Or, they just get Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) that let them file tax returns.

    2. Re:Yes they are. by Chas · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Immigration reform is NOT "open borders".
      That's uncontrolled immigration. And that's what's being fought right now.

      People point to 100+ years ago. Forgetting that "free country" also meant you were FREE TO STARVE.
      Nowadays, there's a massive, EXPENSIVE social infrastructure. And that infrastructure simply CANNOT withstand uncontrolled immigration.

      The US does NOT owe the rest of the world a living, or even a better lifestyle.

      If people want to immigrate here, DO IT THE RIGHT WAY OR STAY HOME!

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    3. Re:Yes they are. by ChatHuant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Very, very difficult in the US. The process takes years, and acceptance is unlikely even then. That's why there are illegal immigrants.

      I don't think that is relevant or should be brought in this discussion. It just confuses the issue.

      If the law doesn't allow something, or makes it difficult, it's because that's how the people of the land have decided things should be. Of course, some laws may be unreasonable or should be changed (and, FWIW, I do believe immigration law is really in need of an overhaul), but that's another discussion - there are mechanisms in place to change laws people don't like. They may be slow, but that's also intentional - and a good thing, IMO.
       
      In the meantime, the law is what it is, and whether it's inconvenient, or whether somebody really really doesn't want/doesn't feel like following the law doesn't make breaking the law acceptable. Yes, illegal immigrants really really want to stay in the USA. Yes, getting a visa legally is difficult, and probably many of them wouldn't qualify anyway. Neither of those things should matter; and I think somebody who has already demonstrated disregard for American law shouldn't get an easy path to citizenship.

      Many people advocate breaking laws, with the best of intentions. For example, all the cities declaring themselves sanctuaries; that's driven by an admirable sentiment, but is in my opinion deeply flawed. Even though we all have seen exceptions, and complain about this daily, respect of laws in America is still much more prevalent than in places like Mexico. People who just go and break laws they consider unacceptable, or obsolete, or even unjust, instead of working to change those laws via existing constitutional mechanisms undermine this respect; that, I believe, creates a very dangerous precedent.

  2. We want your dreams to come true... by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Translation: We want labor savings and couldn't care less about your dreams

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  3. A Distraction from H1-B by PeteJanda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My cynicism meter went to 11 when I saw a headline about large tech companies banding together ostensibly for the benefit of illeg... errr, "Dreamers".

    My first reaction was, "How do they benefit financially with the status quo?" But then I realized this question is of secondary significance. The primary question is, "How does this help distract from the importing of illegal labor via H1-B's?" And then pieces fell into place.

  4. Supply and demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Off the top of my head tech companies have supported H1B's, illegal immigrants, mass migration, code camps, public education training and significant efforts to inspire girls to become women who code for decades.

    These efforts have nothing to do with altruism, in fact they are driven entirely by self centered greed. The more they can increase the labor supply the lower the cost for their primary expense - labor. These companies should start being called out for their charades and their greedy ways exposed for what they are.

    Wages in tech have been stagnant or declining for many years due to these efforts. It's time to tie H1B visas to sustained wage increases. If there truly is a shortage of workers than wages will rise accordingly. Keep it simple, in order for an H1B visa to be issued for a job in a region, that region must show an increase in wages of at least 10% over the course of a year.

    Posted anonymously so I don't get blacklisted in the industry

  5. USA has an employer problem not immigration by FeelGood314 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    90% of the illegals crossing into the USA are doing so because it is so easy to get a job in the USA. In the Bay area, every morning at 4am you will see school buses (likely the same ones that take your kids to school 2 hours later), busing in workers to do yard work, cleaning and other manual labor. They aren't getting paid minimum wage, they all seem to look a bit Latino and aren't speaking English. hmm. The USA's laws about illegal migrants are not about keeping them out, it is about keeping their wages down and making sure they don't use any government services. If the USA wanted to end 90% of the illegal migrants they could just grant the migrants the right to a $30/hr wage and then enforce it by going after the employers. It would solve the illegal migrant problem over night. It would be total chaos for months as businesses that relied on $2/hr wages collapsed but most of those companies are total leaches anyway (I'm talking about the high water usage farming in the California in particular).

    1. Re:USA has an employer problem not immigration by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      As an employer who tried not to hire illegal aliens, but got a lot of illegals as job applicants, it's nothing like you characterize. It is already a crime to hire an illegal alien. The penalty ranges from a few thousand dollars for the first offense, up to tens of thousands of dollars and jail time for multiple offenses.

      The problem is the government requires some sort of government ID and a social security number before you can hire someone. But it doesn't give employers any way to authenticate that the documents they receive are legit. I spoke to multiple employment attorneys about this, and the best you can do is make copies of the ID presented to you and keep them on file. This is your due diligence - proof that you attempted to comply with the law to the best of your ability should the employee's legal status come into question.

      In other words, the government doesn't make any effort to block illegal immigrants from working. If it wanted to, it's be trivial to implement an electronic system which could verify an applicant's ID as legit. Social security cards are trivial to fake, and they don't even need a real SSN if they don't plan to work past the end of the year (at year's end, employment taxes are submitted and SSNs which don't match the person's name and address on file get flagged by the IRS). Just a simple system which allows you to submit a name and SSN, and it spits back valid/invalid would block about 75% of the illegal applicants we got (based on flagging by the IRS). Likewise, government ID could be confirmed the same way, possibly adding a unique code onto each ID to make forging impossible without access to the original source documents.

      But the government doesn't do it. They're not serious about stopping illegal immigrants from working. My hunch is conservative politicians want to keep cheap illegal labor readily available. And liberal politicians want to encourage people to enter the country illegally to skew Congressional reapportionment (House representatives are allocated based on total population - legal and illegal - so every 743,000 illegal immigrants is approximately an extra House seat), and on the outside chance they'll be legalized and become voters (they're disproportionately low income with liberal politics).

  6. Re:Illegals are illegal by Frank+Burly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who break criminal laws are criminals. Dreamers, almost by definition, have not broken any criminal laws—which is how they were allowed to become Dreamers to begin with.

    Your ethnic argument is telling, but not persuasive. In the first place, these are not criminal proceedings, in the second place, it is not their ethnicity that would allow them to stay, but rather that they came here at a young age, have obeyed the criminal laws of this country, and are not high school drop outs.

    These people are culturally American, and there is nothing unfair to Americans in letting them stay.

  7. Re:Newspeak by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is fascinating, however, there is no mention of 'genocide' anywhere.

    The Clovis people were defined by culture. People did come across the Bering Strait into the Americas, they just weren't Clovis (yet) when they did. The Clovis culture developed after people had already settled and then spread. That's what the headline means by "Clovis People Not First Americans".

    The people who settled the Americas still all have a common genetic heritage and came in a single migration. Here is an excerpt from the Center for the Study of the First Americans at Texas A&M, who published the study referenced in that article:

    Current data from molecular genetics do not support this model of Native American replacement of Paleoamericans. All major Native American mtDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups emerged in the same region of central Asia, and all share similar coalescent dates, indicating that a single ancient gene pool is ancestral to all Native American populations. Similarly, all sampled native New World populations (from Alaska to Brazil) share a unique allele at a specific microsatellite locus that is not found in any Old World populations (except Koryak and Chukchi of western Beringia), which implies that all modern Native Americans descended from a single founding population that was the result of a single migration. This is further supported by ancient DNA studies showing that Paleoamericans carried the same haplogroups (and even sub-haplogroups) as modern Native groups. Thus, although the Paleoamerican sample is still small, the craniometric differences between the early and late populations are likely the result of genetic drift and natural selection, not separate migrations from different sources in Asia.

    I'd like to add that when they say "different sources", they clarify elsewhere on the page that sources can be separated spatially or temporally. Meaning that the last sentence also precludes 2 separate migrations that came from the same geographic source.

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  8. Re:Jail for you in Mexico by radarskiy · · Score: 4, Informative

    "It's a CRIME!"

    a) It's a civil offense.

    b) Those that receive DACA deferrals were minors when brought to the United States.

    c) Those that receive DACA deferrals are not given normalized immigration status. They are given low priority for deportation as long as they can prove that they are not committing any crimes, etc.. In exchange they have provided the Federal government with their whereabouts so that if they become reprioritized they can be quickly rounded up.

    d) Those receiving DACA deferrals cannot naturalize. They have to leave the US and reenter to provide a clean immigration record, and since they were knowingly in the US out of status there is an automatic 10 year exclusion.

    e) Those that receive DACA deferrals are ineligible for any federal benefits.