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High-Nicotine E-Cigarettes May Make Teens Vape More, Study Warns (philly.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Philly.com: Teens who vape e-cigarettes with higher nicotine levels are more likely to start smoking conventional cigarettes soon after, new research shows. E-cigarettes are sold with nicotine levels ranging from zero to more than 25 milligrams of nicotine per milliliter (mg/mL). In this study, a high-nicotine device was defined as having levels at or above 18 mg/mL. Leventhal's team tracked outcomes for 181 grade-10 students from high schools in the Los Angeles area. All of the teens said they had used e-cigarettes within the past month, and they provided data on nicotine levels in the devices they used. Six months later, those who used higher nicotine levels in their e-cigarettes were more likely to report use of both e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes within the past month. These teens also reported vaping and/or smoking more intensely. While 43 percent of the students who'd used high-nicotine e-cigarettes said they were "frequent smokers" of traditional cigarettes six months later, that was true for only 10 percent of those who'd vaped using lower-nicotine devices, Leventhal's group found. And teens who vaped using high-nicotine e-cigarettes smoked an average of 14 times as many "regular" cigarettes per day six months later compared to those who'd tried nicotine-free versions of the devices, the findings showed. The study was published in JAMA Pediatrics.
Nicotine is addictive.
The study also shows that 6 months after they started smoking traditional cigs, the subjects began straight up injecting the liquid into their veins... which eventually lead to them booty bumping the e-cig liquid.
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I use an e-Cig as an alternative to hookah. No more worries about a coal getting tipped and burning the carpet/floor/table and the flavor is way better. Plus it's portable though I never take it outside of my house. I've never smoked cigarettes and always use 0mg nicotine juices.
Its nice to see that natural selection is being kept alive.
"And teens who vaped using high-nicotine e-cigarettes smoked an average of 14 times as many "regular" cigarettes per day six months later compared to those who'd tried nicotine-free versions of the devices"
This is ridiculous. Kids that e-smoked nicotine smoked more than kids that smoked nicotine-free e-cigs? What's the point of smoking if you have nicotine-free e-cigs?
Higher concentrations of addictive substances causes people to use more of this addictive substance. Are /. editors high as well? More than likely to approve this brain dead stupidity.
Correlation does not equal causation. My conclusion would be that those who crave higher nicotine content end up using cigarettes.
"In this study, a high-nicotine device was defined as having levels at or above 18 mg/mL." I vape in the high 90 watt, low 100 watt range depending on device, but holy shit hitting a liquid with anything higher than 12mg/ml at that power is straight up painful. And while you certainly can find it online, the local shops I go to sell mostly in the 3mg and 6mg range. So yeah, if 18 or 25 isn't doing it for you, you almost have to go to cigarettes because vaping with liquid that strong at even moderate wattage is like having your throat scraped with a thousand tiny ice picks.
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Nicotine is nothing. The smallest slice that will get you off cigs.
But all the other chemicals from smoking? That's the REAL addiction there.
All the thousands of compounds in the cigs or created by burning them together. That's the real danger. And the real addiction.
A chemical stew that ohhhhhhhh... yeah.
You can vape an insane dangerous nicotine level like 6%. Get used to it.
And even after all that. A few puffs on a real cig will FUCK YOU UP like a kid hotboxing his first marlboro.
Ecigs are the best thing ever invented to finally kill smoking once and for all. We could do it. We should be throwing these things at people.
(good ones. not gas station garbage.)
We could be the generation that ends smoking. But nope. the anti-vape propaganda is well funded.
Vaping by itself is completely harmless with nicotine being on par with caffeine in terms of harm and effects.
This is nothing more than the anti cigarette brigade getting their panties in a wad over the fact that people flat out love nicotine and want to enjoy it without the bad effects of cigarettes (which are bad).
Better the young'ins be vaping rather than smoke cigarettes.
Kids that take drugs take more drugs than kids that don't. News at 11.
The article didn't indicate if these users were already smoking traditional cigarettes, the study only indicates that they were asked if their friends smoked cigs or hookah.
In the high mg group 95% of their friends smoked(and likely they did as well). Without having the numbers of who the smokers were at the beginning of the study, the conclusion is suspect. Another study out of nannystate cali with a couple harrumphs from their cousin NY. This comes out as Gottlieb is re-evaluating the regulations that were released with the deeming ruling of 2016.
This data was gathered from 2013-2015, which was still in the stone age of vaping. Modern devices utilize a much lower range of nicotine from 0-6mg/ml.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2657310
Listen up, you younger Slashdotters: Don't start smoking. It's a filthy, smelly habit and nobody wants to be around a smoker. Now nicotine is a pretty decent recreational drug, and if you're going to use it, vaping is how you want to go, but stay off it until you're fully grown. I don't know if it's true or not, but people used to say that if you smoked when you were young, it would stunt your growth, so just don't take a chance. And that applies to all recreational drugs. Wait until you're fully grown, then do as thou wilt.
Also, stay in school and always wear a rubber. And be nice to each other.
I'm glad we had this talk.
You are welcome on my lawn.
When are F-Cigarettes coming out?
Table-ized A.I.
Wow! They figured out that using more of an addictive chemical makes you want the addictive chemical more? That is simply shocking.
My anecdotal is somewhat irrelevant here, but I smoked 1-20 cigs a day for perhaps 8 year (quitting completely around 3 years ago), started vaping on 36 mg/ml (during the last year or so of smoking, I went very rapidly from previous usage rate to 1-5 cigs a week), and now occasionally vape 3mg/ml in the face of life's stresses (and more frequently nicotine free). Also, have some extra parentheses, I'm almost out of them anyhow. ()()()()()()()()()()()
Nicotine is closely related to choline- a popular aid to mental performance. Users have discovered that it can help with memory and test performance in college. Nicotine is shown to reduce stress in various environments such as noisy factory settings. It is addictive in the same way that protein, caffeine and sweets are. In other words, it's a very mild craving and closely related to the stress of your lifestyle.
Yes, it is one of over 100 ingredients in cigarets that may be harmful in some sense. Nevertheless, you will some day see nicotine as a dietary supplement that can enhance your cognition and improve your life. Don't be a sucker for the emotional and ignorant anti smoke fanatics. Here on Slashdot at least, there should be some room for science.
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ban conventional cigarettes which are a public health danger.
E-Cigarettes have also been linked to inflammatory lung disease https://newatlas.com/e-cigaret...
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Beyond the misleading choice not to baseline the high-nicotine vapors/smokers for prior smoking levels, I also find it curious that the study didn't track the youths' opinions on e-cigs vs cigarettes in terms of health/harm. Considering that over the past 5 years the "official" US government "message" has been that vaping is as, and sometimes more, dangerous than smoking cigarettes (obvious hogwash), I have found a lot of smokers who had switched to vaping (some, entirely, completely off cigarettes) go back to smoking "because the government says there is no difference." This would have been a useful data point to track, especially in a nanny-state like California where such mixed-messaging is too-often used as a governmental propaganda tool. That the researchers decided not to track a simple question of "WHY smoke?" is, to me, quite telling as to the purpose of the study, since that basic question would have shed a lot of light on actual causation (vs mere speculation).
Scott
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
Who'd have thought that an addictive substance could be addictive. E-cigarettes might be "better" than regular cigarettes but that's damning with faint praise.
Study warns zig zag paper users are more prone to use it with pot and hash than users of cigarettes. Study warns if you put jet fuel in your car engine you have a better chance of having issues with your car. Study warns cigarette users and e-cigarette users are better off not smoking at all than smoking, whichever the device they are using. What kind of conflict-of-interest ridden study is that freaking thing calling Mr. Obvious? Come on!
In the grander scheme of things, e-cigarettes is the best way to actually stop smoking, and if you have to smoke, it's the best way not to kill yourself in the process. Even the high-dose nicotine products are not that high compared to traditional cigarettes. If you look at the nicotine on its own, it's not something that's absolutely evil, most of the problems come from the other chemicals, such as tar and other carcinogens. Most vaping shops will usually sell 0ml or 6ml or sometimes 12ml nicotine products, but they usually are either 0 or 6, which is hundred of times less than cigarette, without any other carcinogens. And finally, e-cigarettes don't generate any smoke and health issues for anyone else: what you see is a little bit of flavour (much less than what you get in your can of air freshener) and water. It got demonstrated multiple times little to no nicotine is present in this cloud.
(Anonymous coward because don't want to take time to log in - disclaimer, I'm not working with any cigarette/e-cigarette/health org/..., don't smoke. But my dad used to smoke and I did my research. Now he vapes 0ml nicotine 2-3 times per day and he's happy... and I will have a dad a few years more than before)
Did you read the summary?
Six months later, those who used higher nicotine levels in their e-cigarettes were more likely to report use of both e-cigarettes and regular cigarettes within the past month
The point of this article is that vaping with high-nicotine liquid correlates with eventually smoking. Meaning, if we want to keep the young'ins from smoking cigarettes ("which are bad"), maybe we need to keep them away from high-nicotine e-liquid too.
as well as whether cigarettes were unhealthy. You need studies to prove what should be obvious because people make billions lying about things.
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better the young'ins be doing neither. Go read Fred Pohl's The Space Merchants.
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Funny thing
The anti-smoking industry, which has received massive windfalls ($Billions) from sin-taxes on cigarettes have seen those funds go down massively since e-cigarettes have entered the market.
They are more focused on keeping the money coming in by slandering e-cigarettes in hopes that the public will create new taxes on them and give the money to anti-cigarette groups
It does not matter that e-cigarettes reduce the harmful elements of smoking by gt 98%
It does not matter that nicotine can be purchased over the counter and is judged as non-harmful by the FDA
It does not matter that this FUD and e-cigarette taxes will lead to more people smoking cigarettes
The ONLY thing that matters to these groups right now is money in their pockets
Warning! Addictive chemical is addictive!