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Congress Opens Probe Into FBI's Handling of Clinton Email Investigation (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Two House committees announced Tuesday that they would conduct a joint probe into the FBI's handling of the Clinton e-mail investigation. The Clinton investigation concluded with no charges being levied against the former secretary of state who was running for president under the Democratic ticket. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said in a joint statement that they are unsatisfied with how the probe into Clinton's private e-mail server concluded. Among other things, the chairmen want to know why the bureau publicly said it was investigating Clinton while keeping silent that it was looking into President Donald Trump's campaign associates and their connections to Russia.
"Our justice system is represented by a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status," Goodlatte and Gowdy said in a joint statement. "The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight."
"Our justice system is represented by a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status," Goodlatte and Gowdy said in a joint statement. "The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight."
The 4 dead service members from last week and the absolute cluster fuck that resulted in their deaths... but at least we are on top of this... thank god.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
One wonder if Gowdy will manage to show up for more than 20% of the witness testimony this time. Or is he just going to implicitly acknowledge that this is a gigantic waste of time and money, and serves as nothing other than a distraction from what a colossal clusterfuck the Trump presidency has been thus far?
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
You keep doing it, ad infinitum.
You're reading this wrong. The article isn't about why wasn't Clinton prosecuted, but rather why of the two FBI investigations into the leading presidential candidates, how come only one (Clinton) was talked about widely whereas the other one (Trump) was kept quiet until after the election.
Given the short-sightedness and willingness to accept double-standards on the Trump side however, had the FBI publicly announced they were looking into Trump, he would have claimed he was the underdog and that "The Man" was out to persecute him and probably have increased his voter base.
We need independent prosecutor to gather evidence to convict trump of gross negligence and Treason by essentially allowing the slaughter of US service members in Niger. Impeachment is simply not enough for negligence of this magnitude, we need to see serious and long term jail time. Not even a year in, and multiple impeachable offenses and convictable crimes. OMG.
Dude;
It's about email. How techy can you get?
And it's also about biology and physics.
Like how often can you beat (physics, impact, collision) a dead horse (biology). Geeky stuff!!
If itâ(TM)s ok to investigate Obama over his birth certificate.. an offense allegedly and speculated to have been committed decades ago, why canâ(TM)t we investigate Trumpâ(TM)s draft dodging? Last I checked draft dodging was a crime. Some other guy had to go die in Vietnam because Trump paid his way out of the draft. Anyway at the very least we should investigate how bone spurs can disappear over time. You never know, Trump might get the Nobel prize for medicine for such a discovery.
Actually, half of the present administration is using personal email for official business. Oops!
The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight.
LOL
*snort*
That ranks up there as one of the biggest piles of unadulterated bullshit I've ever seen. I don't care which tribe you subscribe to, everyone should realize that our justice system is anything but evenhanded or impartial.
THE SOFTWARE, IT NO WORKY!!!
Yeah, I gotta think this committee's going to uncover some stuff they weren't intending to uncover. Kinda how the Lewinsky affair took out several high ranking GOP congresscritters as collateral damage.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Holy fuck, can we stop with the pissing an moaning about politics on slashdot? That ship sailed a long, long time ago. Get over it or move the fuck on. It's not like this site is loaded with content in the first place.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
How about the simple fact that Clinton's investigation was concluded before the election and the FBI found nothing? With Trump they are still investigating. I don't know if Trump has done anything wrong but FBI should not divulge the results of an investigation before the investigation is done. That seems common sense.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
"Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status".
Ha ha, very funny. Of course they don't! The rich, powerful, and politically connected always get EXACTLY the same treatment as the poor from the justice system.
Being on good social term with the judge, the DA, or the Attorney General could never do an accused person the slightest good. And the prosecution would be just as likely to frame up a wealthy, influential political donor as the lowest miscreant.
Yes, folks, thank goodness it's a government of laws, not persons!
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Yeah, I gotta think this committee's going to uncover some stuff they weren't intending to uncover.
Actually, some of the evidence against Hillary was collateral damage from the investigation of Anthony Weiner's sexting. The laptop he used for sending penis pics had emails between Hillary and Huma Abedin.
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and people would still vote for me."
Yes, Trump fuckers. I will post this delightfull quote from your beloved peodophile in chief every chance I get, or untill I'm IP banned.
And downmodding me to hell won't change the fact that you knowingly, freely, and willfully elected for president a man who thinks that you're all fucking morons, and told you to your face.
Should they also have written Hillary's exoneration before the investigation is done?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
They didn't find "nothing", they found that she and her compatriots had mishandled classified information, lied to investigations, and destroyed evidence - but Comey, having decided not to charge Clinton (his expected new boss) with anything before the investigation even interviewed her or her staff, made up the original interpretation that "negligence" - the actual term used in the US Code - suddenly required a deliberate motive in the mishandling, and that he would not recommend charges even though she displayed "great carelessness".
Do you know who the attorney general works for? The head of the FBI?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
No harm was done. There's just a lot of speculation and all these "what could have happened." fantasies - no actual evidence.
The ONLY reason the emails were even discovered was because of the Benghazi witch hunt. And as we found out, it was all because the Pentagon didn't have any "military assets" (as they put it) close enough to respond. NOTHING to do with Clinton.
So, I'm bored now. The emails are an irrelevant issue.
In the meantime, I'm concerned about what's going to happen to NAFTA, healthcare and the ACA, and what's up with Trump's executive order allowing the Pentagon to pull service people out of retirement. WTF is he going to do?
The last thing this country needs is yet another endless war.
If he shot you. I'd still vote for him.
Yes, the "FREE STUFF!!!!" campaign was very popular among weak-minded sheep
Bernie's supporters were not sheep. They were simply voting in their own interest. He was promising free stuff to young educated white people, so of course they are going to support him. The problem is that his support didn't extend beyond that group. He never got much support from minorities, working-class whites, or voters old enough to realize that someone has to pay for the free stuff, and it was going to be them.
Bernie is quite up front in saying that some taxes would have to be raised. A web site that lays it out:
* http://www.bernietax.com/
He basically tweaked some, and added a few, marginal tax brackets:
* $250,001-$500,000: 37%
* $500,001-$2,000,000: 43%
* $2,000,001-$10,000,000: 48%
* $10,000,001+: 52%
If you were making less than $250,000 your taxes would not have changed.
Funny, when we had all the articles that mentioned Trump and Russia, those were important issues that needed to be discussed and transcended issues of tech. Now that we're talking about something inconvenient, politics suddenly needs to be banished.
When Bill Clinton received a $500,000 check from a Kremlin-linked bank in 2010 to give a speech in Moscow it served, to the FBI, as further evidence the Russians had unleashed an influence campaign designed to get access to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
FBI agents were 'surprised by the timing and size,' the Hill wrote, of Bill Clinton's half-million dollar speech, which has raised conflict-of-interest questions about Hillary Clinton, as the transaction occurred around the same time she was being asked to sign off on a uranium deal, which gave Russia 20 percent of the U.S.'s deposits.
'There is not one shred of doubt from the evidence that we had that the Russians had set their sights on Hillary Clinton's circle, because she was the quarterback of the Obama-Russian reset strategy and the assumed successor to Obama as president,' a source who knew of the FBI's evidence told the Hill.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
You'll get your chance in seven years. In the meantime, you learn patience, same as the Rs did while the Ds were whitewashing.
I don't recall a Democrat-sponsored e-mail-gate investigation crawling up the ass of Colin Powell when George W was in the White House.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
At least Trump tells it like it is. What would HRC do? Be awful and then deny being awful?
This is yet another effort in futility by the congress. They are spending too much time and resources on probes against one and another. They need to be discussing the economy and how to create even more jobs, compete with China and a few others countries that are threatening to overtake the US in terms of global economic domination.
What happened to the government Of the people, For the people, by the people, with the Rule of law and justice and faithful execution over all politics as the commanding principle for all officials and government employees?
We are now probing investigations, because the investigation might have been done improperly.
How long before we have to investigate the investigation of the investigation?
OR how about a probe of the investigation of the investigation of the investigation of the investigation of X.
FINALLY how about an infinitely recursive investigation? We'll do an investigation of A and B, and investigation of the investigation of A and B, and the investigation of all potential investigations that cover A and B.
The charge would be unauthorized release of classified info. So who authorizes it? A judge? Nope. As the Secretary of State she had ultimate authority of classification of anything originating from her office, which was the entire state department. From a legal standpoint, if the Secretary of State emails their staff classified information originating from the State Department, they are de-facto declassifying it. That is why the whole investigation is bizarre and why no charges were brought. You can debate whether this is good judgement or not, but the idea of anything happening legally is absurd.
That isn't the way declassification works. Try educating yourself rather than repeating the misinformation you heard from some random source.
Yeah, it sounds crazy when you put it that way: "free stuff".
Maybe not so crazy when you specify what the stuff is. Education, for example. Health care. In both these cases insufficient access has an impact on society wider than the directly affected people. Stuff you end up paying for. Because when people have no money, they can still cost the rest of us.
A lot of people would be willing to pay more for the consequences of squalor than to risk someone getting something "for free". It's a principled position, you see. I'm more of a pragmatist, myself.
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And... Have been told in no-uncertain terms that it will not be tolerated any more and have stopped doing this. Not to mention that nobody is now claiming they lost these E-mails or that the were not work related, OR contained classified information...
SO... Not the same thing here..
Just incase you don't remember, Hillary reprimanded one of her ambassadors for this very thing near the start of her stint as Secretary of State... Signed the memo and all...
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90 % of statistics like yours are pulled out of excretory orifices. As for your claim for social-Darwinist optimality, that is non-negatable. AJ Ayer would say it's devoid of cognitive content.
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A common meme is: "The Republicans already tried to look into this and couldn't make anything stick. So clearly Hillary Clinton was innocent and the Republicans are just digging for dirt and hoping to find something." Variations on this have already been posted in this discussion.
What's extraordinary here is that the Director of the FBI intervened personally on Hillary Clinton's behalf. He wrote a draft of his speech exonerating her before the FBI ever interviewed her. Her aides were given broad immunity, which is usually used to compel people to talk[1], but then they were allowed to just say things like "I don't remember". Hillary Clinton, or someone working for her, wiped her email server after a subpoena was issued requiring her to hand it over to Congress, and there were absolutely no consequences from that. A usual FBI investigation would collect as much evidence as possible as early as possible, but that wasn't done in this case... the Anthony Weiner/Huma Abedin copies of Hillary Clinton emails were found during an investigation of Weiner, but they should have been found earlier. When the FBI is actually investigating they are thorough about collecting evidence. They should have grabbed every computer Hillary ever touched, and as Huma Abedin was an aide to Hillary, every computer Huma ever touched. (They could have copied the hard disks and given the computers back right away.)
Most extraordinary of all: the Director of the FBI claimed that "no reasonable prosecutor" would prosecute Hillary Clinton as no proof of ill intent was found, yet the laws she broke do not require intent but only require proof of mishandling of data.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447209/hillary-clinton-e-mail-investigation-grand-jury-subpoenas
Consider what happened to David Petraeus. He was guilty, but what he did wasn't even a tenth as serious as what Hillary Clinton did. But the Director of the FBI didn't whitewash the investigation for him, so his career was over. (By the way, he didn't go to prison, so he still got better treatment than the "little people" would get. Consider the case of Bryan H. Nishimura. I would say that what Nishimura did wasn't even a thousandth as serious as what Hillary Clinton did, but he was treated much more harshly than she was. Note that he wasn't charged with any "intent", just the mishandling of data.)
I'm pretty sure that if a member of the Trump administration mishandles classified data, he or she won't get the special treatment that Hillary Clinton got. But the Democrats will get a President elected again sometime in the future and I would like to get a precedent established that the laws apply to Democrats as much as to Trump and his staff. I know that the law is not enforced perfectly even-handedly in this country (or any country in the real world) but I am appalled at the epic whitewashing done on behalf of Hillary Clinton to protect
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GP: trump says his voters are morons.
YOU: Trump tells the truth. BUT HILLARY!!!111oneeleven!111
Me: well, you certainly proved Trump correct.
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Couldn’t be bothered when it happened or even discuss it but now the GOP Congress is investigating it - slashdot bothers to post an article about how this is just to deflect from the Trump Russia investigation.
Are you fucking retarded? There were tons of stories posted to /. about this. Like this one:
https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://politics.slashdot.org/...
Or this one:
https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story...
Or this one:
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://politics.slashdot.org/...
Or any of dozens of other stories. Are you really so deluded that you just block this shit out of your memory or are knowingly posting shit like this to get people to believe your "alternative facts"? It amazes me that people lie about stuff that can be fact-checked so easily, but I guess it's just an example of "follow the leader".
Enigma
What does the Niger incident have to do with this, other than to serve as yet another 'whataboutism'.
You're complaining about a double standard, for a probe investigating a double standard, i.e. the unusual activities of the DOJ and the FBI in relation to Clinton. This kind of corruption spanning multiple branches of government can't be just brushed aside just because the parties involved were able to run out the clock. There needs to be answers, there needs to be accountability.
It happens to be democrats on the receiving end this time, and hopefully with republicans too there can be transparency and accountability with the public. I say a pox on both their houses, it is in the public interest to know the truth.
Trump doesn't have to be anything other than mildly clever to simply get a few things done while people like you call him a monster because he tweets and you all react like the pavlovian dogs you all seem to want to be.
I think it utterly hilarious that people claim, in the same breath, that Trump has a huge ego and cares what others think. How many egotistical people do YOU know that give a rats ass what YOU think about them? None. So he smiles when you call him names and signs another order dismantling something you once cared about but now ignore.
As to cognitive dissidence - everything Trump has done. and the reactions from the Democrats, have been exactly as I predicted and according to model. The only variation being that Democrats deems to be rather a lot more stupid about it all than I thought they would be, and are making many tactical mistakes that have nothing at all do do with Trump. Trump has merely acted as a catalyst for the Democrats hyper-active push for self destruction. You are the one whose analysis has become utterly ungrounded in reality, and more is the shame for it as really the country needs both sides of the two parties sane and rational. Not like the Republicans are much more sane mind you, but they have simply not into as deep waters as the Democrats all have...
The best aspect is though, is that the most insane people on "left" AND "right" have been the statists; Trump has rendered them not just ineffectual but actually driven to seeming madness.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Destruction of evidence and lying to congress is considered to be criminal acts, and there seems to be an increasingly amount of evidence of that occurring. The immunity deals, the refusing to seize laptops as evidence, the allowing key witnesses to attend Clinton's unrecorded 'interview', needs to be examined under greater scrutiny. Of course the biggest question is why he declared the decision to not press for indictment occurred at the end of the investigation, and not months prior as the internal memo seems to indicate.
Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get another outburst of "We're not weasels!" from Mr.Comey after his mask of false sincerity begins to crack under pressure.
Same thing. AFTER the hypocrisy of course.
If using private email servers for government business equals prison time then Palin, D. Trump, Kushner, and I. Trump need to go to jail as well. They all used private or unsecured email servers for government business...although in regards to the Trump clan, government business is also their private business. The sole purpose of the Trump presidency is to gain more control, more money, and get away with more illegal activities.
About time someone started investigating the investigation.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
I know you're trolling with your CNN propaganda, but could you be less lazy about it?
We had the attorney general of the united states, meet with the spouse of a subject under active FBI investigation in a private meeting that lasted half an hour, and then refused to recuse herself afterwards. We have a director of the FBI who leaks his own internal memos, seemingly purposefully ignores evidence on laptops and celphones, ignores the destruction of the devices, and then claims that there was insufficient evidence of intent when that isn't even a factor to be considered under the statute.
We have immunity deals handed out, with witnesses like Cheryl Mills being proved a liar when she claims ignorance of the server, witnesses being allowed to serve as legal aid to Clinton during interviews, and even more oddities. There's other questions, such as if the donations to the campaign to Comey's wife may have had a bearing on how this investigation was handled.
But according to you this hearing is all to be a smokescreen for nothingburger TrumpRussia, for a news media that sat on the Urianium One story for over five years. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
I might think you are a diddler. I might even be looking into it. Maybe I could hold a press conference stating that you are being investigated for diddling. I might think the same of your neighbor, but he's 'special' so I won't tell anyone until I'm done. I sure hope my investigation exonerates you. I would hate for anyone to have the wrong impression just because I said you were being investigated for diddling.
Actually, some of the emails had highly sensitive info on them. Stuff like the actual names of citizens of other nations working for the US in in their country. That is life and death type of info and is classified far above Top Secret. If I remember correctly it is Eyes Only or something close to that. Ambassadors do not have that type of clearance, and neither do members of Congress who are members of the Intelligence oversight committees.
This is some very serious stuff.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
Tell that to the sailor sent to prison for taking unauthorized pictures on his unsecured cell phone. Hillary exposed far larger amounts of far more classified information and then destroyed much of the evidence. If she were anyone else, she'd be serving an effective life sentence.
You should find this statute that lets high level officials unilaterally share information outside the official declassification process and tell David Petraeus, so he can get his plea deal to federal charges vacated.
Do you even have any idea what the cost of living is in Denmark? If the income is the same a Dane pays more taxes, higher prices for homes or apartments, higher restaurant prices, clothing costs, higher prices for gas, higher prices for all utilities, etc.... Some of these higher prices are very daunting as they are 100-160% higher than in the US. That means more than double what those things cost in the US. For example, a pair of Levi's 501 jeans in the US averages $41.48 nationally. In Denmark that same pair of jeans is $108.49. All things considered a Dane's purchasing power is 16% lower than someone of comparable income in the US. Meaning, of course, that overall a Dane is 16% poorer than the equivalent American.
There is no free ride.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
Did you know that 72% of doctors and 104.3% of economists agree that only 6% of people would benefit from having enough money to live indoors and buy food?
The world hasn't ended, but respect for America has.
They are not lying about it or destroying evidence.... Hmmm...
So which law are you talking about here? The only issue there could possibly be based on this rumor is conducting official business over private E-mail channels which are not being archived. This can be remedied by doing two things... 1. Using official channels going forward and 2. submitting any and all E-mail sent outside of official channels to be archived as required. I'm guessing this was done, but hey, this is all rumor anyway.
So far, we've not had any destruction of evidence, denials (public or otherwise) that it ever took place and nobody is out there claiming classified information was being sent. All we have is false equivalency being drawn to what Clinton die with her private E-mail server as Secretary of State.
Not even close to the same level of corruption here.. On one hand, you have somebody doing 5mph over on a road where the speed limit just dropped 10mph and the other you have somebody who was racing drunk, crashed their car, fled the scene after torching their car then makes adamant denials that it wasn't their car, and when that proves false, claims they were not speeding and when the skid marks prove that untrue, claims they didn't actually wreck the car and when called on that untruth now claims they were not driving, but riding in the back seat and don't recall who was driving.
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*Of course* there's no free ride! That Dane is part of a society whose members have decided it is better (and cheaper) for everyone to band together and buy a shit load of stuff collectively (healthcare, social care etc) rather than buying it individually. So your jeans are cheaper, but your healthcare is waaaaaaaay more expensive. And guess what? No-one drops dead or loses a house from not being able to afford jeans, but they sure as hell do if they can't afford healthcare.
Danish healthcare expenditure totalled 10.8% of GDP in 2014.
US healthcare expenditure totalled 17.1% in the same year.
The Danes spent an average of $5199 on healthcare in 2016, of which $4374 was for government / compulsory services. Americans spent an average of $9892 on healthcare in the same year, of which $4860 was for government / compulsory services. Yes, you actually spent 12 US Levi jeans *more* per year on government / compulsory services in 2016 than the Danes, despite their being able to provide a universal service for that money, while you put up with terrible safety nets, all because of the ridiculous state you've allowed your health system to get into, by being so in thrall to the notion of the free market as a political construct (although obviously not an actual political objective in US health policy for the Republicans or the Democrats).
There we go. One moderator, one registered user, and one AC. Not bad for a half ass troll attempted.
Of the three, only the moderator has found truth. He detected my obvious toll and tagged it as such. Good job.
I don't read or reply to AC posts, so I don't know if he is agreeing or not.
So now we have dave. Someone who's TDS was bad enough that he had to respond despite it being a obvious troll. Dave also responded in the exact manner I predicted he would. He responded to my rock-hard fact whit something was his option. In other words, something he made up. I could go on, but my point has been made.
Since the whole point of my toll was to flush out a SJW, I'm not going to point out how is option, despite being his option, is wrong. Class dismissed.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.