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Congress Opens Probe Into FBI's Handling of Clinton Email Investigation (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Two House committees announced Tuesday that they would conduct a joint probe into the FBI's handling of the Clinton e-mail investigation. The Clinton investigation concluded with no charges being levied against the former secretary of state who was running for president under the Democratic ticket. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said in a joint statement that they are unsatisfied with how the probe into Clinton's private e-mail server concluded. Among other things, the chairmen want to know why the bureau publicly said it was investigating Clinton while keeping silent that it was looking into President Donald Trump's campaign associates and their connections to Russia.
"Our justice system is represented by a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status," Goodlatte and Gowdy said in a joint statement. "The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight."
"Our justice system is represented by a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status," Goodlatte and Gowdy said in a joint statement. "The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight."
Hillary's for prison!
The 4 dead service members from last week and the absolute cluster fuck that resulted in their deaths... but at least we are on top of this... thank god.
"In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson
One wonder if Gowdy will manage to show up for more than 20% of the witness testimony this time. Or is he just going to implicitly acknowledge that this is a gigantic waste of time and money, and serves as nothing other than a distraction from what a colossal clusterfuck the Trump presidency has been thus far?
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
You keep doing it, ad infinitum.
For anyone who has forgotten what we know about this.
We should also mention that we have emails, from the FBI, showing that she had things like classified pictures of NK in there. Yeah, sure, sending it off to her uncleared staff to print it out on insecure printers is totally a good idea. It's not like this is a crazy little country with nuclear missiles or something. Let's just make sure the Chinese know how much we know about their little brother Kim's big missiles. I'm sure that's totally reasonable....
Hear hear!
'I don't know what it's called. I just know the sound it makes, when it takes a man's life.' ~ Four Leaf Tayback
We need independent prosecutor to gather evidence to convict trump of gross negligence and Treason by essentially allowing the slaughter of US service members in Niger. Impeachment is simply not enough for negligence of this magnitude, we need to see serious and long term jail time. Not even a year in, and multiple impeachable offenses and convictable crimes. OMG.
Dude;
It's about email. How techy can you get?
And it's also about biology and physics.
Like how often can you beat (physics, impact, collision) a dead horse (biology). Geeky stuff!!
If itâ(TM)s ok to investigate Obama over his birth certificate.. an offense allegedly and speculated to have been committed decades ago, why canâ(TM)t we investigate Trumpâ(TM)s draft dodging? Last I checked draft dodging was a crime. Some other guy had to go die in Vietnam because Trump paid his way out of the draft. Anyway at the very least we should investigate how bone spurs can disappear over time. You never know, Trump might get the Nobel prize for medicine for such a discovery.
Oh yeah - the old 'IOIYAR' rule - "It's Ok If You're A Republican".
Sodomizing underage boys, and paying them hush money (Hastert) - it's ok if you're a Republican.
Serial adultery (Gingrich, Giuliani, Trump, etc, etc, etc) - it's ok if you're a Republican
Intentionally breaking laws you just don't like (Ollie North) - it's ok if you're a Republican
The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight.
LOL
*snort*
That ranks up there as one of the biggest piles of unadulterated bullshit I've ever seen. I don't care which tribe you subscribe to, everyone should realize that our justice system is anything but evenhanded or impartial.
THE SOFTWARE, IT NO WORKY!!!
Holy fuck, can we stop with the pissing an moaning about politics on slashdot? That ship sailed a long, long time ago. Get over it or move the fuck on. It's not like this site is loaded with content in the first place.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
The problem with someone crying wolf is that after a while no one believes them. I don't know if there is any substance to any uranium mining. I just hear the same outrage I heard about Benghazi that turned out to be nothing but fake outrage after many years and many investigations.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
"Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status".
Ha ha, very funny. Of course they don't! The rich, powerful, and politically connected always get EXACTLY the same treatment as the poor from the justice system.
Being on good social term with the judge, the DA, or the Attorney General could never do an accused person the slightest good. And the prosecution would be just as likely to frame up a wealthy, influential political donor as the lowest miscreant.
Yes, folks, thank goodness it's a government of laws, not persons!
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
How exactly would a Democratic administration without control of the house or senate prevent it?
"I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot someone, and people would still vote for me."
Yes, Trump fuckers. I will post this delightfull quote from your beloved peodophile in chief every chance I get, or untill I'm IP banned.
And downmodding me to hell won't change the fact that you knowingly, freely, and willfully elected for president a man who thinks that you're all fucking morons, and told you to your face.
Yes, the "FREE STUFF!!!!" campaign was very popular among weak-minded sheep
Bernie's supporters were not sheep. They were simply voting in their own interest. He was promising free stuff to young educated white people, so of course they are going to support him. The problem is that his support didn't extend beyond that group. He never got much support from minorities, working-class whites, or voters old enough to realize that someone has to pay for the free stuff, and it was going to be them.
Shut up, they might still nominate a commie in 3 years. Don't queer it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Do you know who the attorney general works for? The head of the FBI?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You'll get your chance in seven years. In the meantime, you learn patience, same as the Rs did while the Ds were whitewashing.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
How exactly would a Democratic administration without control of the house or senate prevent it?
Last I checked, both the FBI and DOJ are under the Executive Branch, not the Legislative Branch.
Did U Know? That the "20% of US uranium deposits" never left the United States? Did you also know that it was never intended to leave the United States?
https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML103...
Russia can mine the uranium, but it has not, and can not, ever leave the United States.
You are welcome on my lawn.
No harm was done. There's just a lot of speculation and all these "what could have happened." fantasies - no actual evidence.
The ONLY reason the emails were even discovered was because of the Benghazi witch hunt. And as we found out, it was all because the Pentagon didn't have any "military assets" (as they put it) close enough to respond. NOTHING to do with Clinton.
So, I'm bored now. The emails are an irrelevant issue.
In the meantime, I'm concerned about what's going to happen to NAFTA, healthcare and the ACA, and what's up with Trump's executive order allowing the Pentagon to pull service people out of retirement. WTF is he going to do?
The last thing this country needs is yet another endless war.
And how well did interfering with an FBI investigation work for the CURRENT president?
If he shot you. I'd still vote for him.
I don't like articles about Ubuntu, so I just ignore them. Maybe you should do the same with articles about politics.
Correct Title is "Trey Gowdy, having no evidence of any crimes, desperate to change the current subject before Congress ie treason in the Trump Campaign, demands an EIGHTH chance at Hillary.
And how well did interfering with an FBI investigation work for the CURRENT president?
Sorry, I gave you the benefit of the doubt the first time, but I'm not playing the cagey-question-lilypad game with you. if you have an affirmative point you'd like to make, I'll be happy to discuss.
He's confusing Congress with the administration, i.e., the White House. If attorney-general Jeff Sessions were going to bring charges against Hillary, if it was winnable, if it's even a good idea to go after your former opponent just after the election's over, he would have done so already.
The story here is about Congress, but all this means is they'll hold hearings and issue subpoenas to force people to grovel in front of TV cameras while Congresscritters grandstand to show how tough they are as they look ahead to the mid-terms. Nice distraction from secret, closed-door meetings that produce bills not even a GOP majority can pass.
I'd suggest Congresscritters best check their own asses before going forward with this. I'll warrant there's a lot of personal e-mail servers being used out there, perhaps completely without the congressman's knowledge ("that's why I hire people to take care of these things!") with all sorts of classified or re-classified stuff on it, along with a little p0rn ("just good ol' locker-room stuff") and a keylogging and microphone hack wired straight to the Kremlin.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
Devin Nunes Op-Ed?
Try again chimp
Seriously chumps, every time you post a right wing screed you look MORE stupid
In the "Mark Felt" movie, they (the FBI) said they specifically don't work for the White House.
Or do you just mean they're appointed by the White House and then are independent?
Yes, the "FREE STUFF!!!!" campaign was very popular among weak-minded sheep
Bernie's supporters were not sheep. They were simply voting in their own interest. He was promising free stuff to young educated white people, so of course they are going to support him. The problem is that his support didn't extend beyond that group. He never got much support from minorities, working-class whites, or voters old enough to realize that someone has to pay for the free stuff, and it was going to be them.
Bernie is quite up front in saying that some taxes would have to be raised. A web site that lays it out:
* http://www.bernietax.com/
He basically tweaked some, and added a few, marginal tax brackets:
* $250,001-$500,000: 37%
* $500,001-$2,000,000: 43%
* $2,000,001-$10,000,000: 48%
* $10,000,001+: 52%
If you were making less than $250,000 your taxes would not have changed.
Funny, when we had all the articles that mentioned Trump and Russia, those were important issues that needed to be discussed and transcended issues of tech. Now that we're talking about something inconvenient, politics suddenly needs to be banished.
When Bill Clinton received a $500,000 check from a Kremlin-linked bank in 2010 to give a speech in Moscow it served, to the FBI, as further evidence the Russians had unleashed an influence campaign designed to get access to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
FBI agents were 'surprised by the timing and size,' the Hill wrote, of Bill Clinton's half-million dollar speech, which has raised conflict-of-interest questions about Hillary Clinton, as the transaction occurred around the same time she was being asked to sign off on a uranium deal, which gave Russia 20 percent of the U.S.'s deposits.
'There is not one shred of doubt from the evidence that we had that the Russians had set their sights on Hillary Clinton's circle, because she was the quarterback of the Obama-Russian reset strategy and the assumed successor to Obama as president,' a source who knew of the FBI's evidence told the Hill.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Those results where Hillary was actually more popular than the retard cheeto? Those results?
Trump is more than happy that you complain his administration is a clusterfuck. because it keeps you and the other sheeple ignorant as to real changes he is making.
I say that as an outsider to both parties, able to see when the Democrats are clearly being snookered and going down a really bad path.
Speaking of wondering about such an investigation, one "wonders" if the investigation will do anything about the FBI director drafting orders to clear Hillary months before the investigation was over...
That is the kind of people you and other Democrats are backing. On purpose it would seem! I almost have to wonder if you are in fact an agent of Trump, working on multiple fronts to make people think Trump is not really doing anything... I mean, if I was a hypothetical Trump agent I can't imaging doing anything differently than what you are doing right now.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
You'll get your chance in seven years. In the meantime, you learn patience, same as the Rs did while the Ds were whitewashing.
I don't recall a Democrat-sponsored e-mail-gate investigation crawling up the ass of Colin Powell when George W was in the White House.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
"Our justice system is represented by a blind-folded woman holding a set of scales. Those scales do not tip to the right or the left; they do not recognize wealth, power, or social status," Goodlatte and Gowdy said in a joint statement. "The impartiality of our justice system is the bedrock of our republic, and our fellow citizens must have confidence in its objectivity, independence, and evenhandedness. The law is the most equalizing force in this country. No entity or individual is exempt from oversight."
And the award for Best Comedy of All Time goes to...
At least Trump tells it like it is. What would HRC do? Be awful and then deny being awful?
This is yet another effort in futility by the congress. They are spending too much time and resources on probes against one and another. They need to be discussing the economy and how to create even more jobs, compete with China and a few others countries that are threatening to overtake the US in terms of global economic domination.
What happened to the government Of the people, For the people, by the people, with the Rule of law and justice and faithful execution over all politics as the commanding principle for all officials and government employees?
We are now probing investigations, because the investigation might have been done improperly.
How long before we have to investigate the investigation of the investigation?
OR how about a probe of the investigation of the investigation of the investigation of the investigation of X.
FINALLY how about an infinitely recursive investigation? We'll do an investigation of A and B, and investigation of the investigation of A and B, and the investigation of all potential investigations that cover A and B.
The charge would be unauthorized release of classified info. So who authorizes it? A judge? Nope. As the Secretary of State she had ultimate authority of classification of anything originating from her office, which was the entire state department. From a legal standpoint, if the Secretary of State emails their staff classified information originating from the State Department, they are de-facto declassifying it. That is why the whole investigation is bizarre and why no charges were brought. You can debate whether this is good judgement or not, but the idea of anything happening legally is absurd.
That isn't the way declassification works. Try educating yourself rather than repeating the misinformation you heard from some random source.
I recall all kinds of politically motivated fishing expeditions.
They wanted a serious investigation, they waited until they were in charge of the executive branch.
I no more trust the Ds to investigate themselves than I do the Rs. The investigations happen after the turnovers, same as always.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Yeah, it sounds crazy when you put it that way: "free stuff".
Maybe not so crazy when you specify what the stuff is. Education, for example. Health care. In both these cases insufficient access has an impact on society wider than the directly affected people. Stuff you end up paying for. Because when people have no money, they can still cost the rest of us.
A lot of people would be willing to pay more for the consequences of squalor than to risk someone getting something "for free". It's a principled position, you see. I'm more of a pragmatist, myself.
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In the "Mark Felt" movie, they (the FBI) said they specifically don't work for the White House.
Movies take a lot of creative liberties with facts. There's a decent discussion of the issue here. An excerpt:
For much of the 108-year history of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, it had only one director – J. Edgar Hoover, who led the agency for a few days short of 48 years. He was as near to a truly independent official in the federal government’s Executive Branch as the Constitution allows. He had his own special relationship with Congress, and ran the Bureau much as he wished.
His successors have not been as powerful, nor as independent. Indeed, one director in the Bureau’s history – former federal judge William S. Sessions – was fired for ethical reasons by President Bill Clinton in the summer of 1993, a little more than halfway through a 10-year appointment. The President’s public explanation was that there had been a loss of confidence in Sessions’ leadership. Then-Attorney General Janet Reno recommended the dismissal.
It is sometimes assumed that the President can oust an FBI director only “for cause” – that is, for some misconduct in office. But, as a Congressional Research Service study of the director’s office pointed out two years ago, “there are no statutory conditions on the President’s authority to remove the FBI director.”
The constitutional reality is that, if a government official is clearly placed within the Executive Branch, that official serves at the pleasure of the President, and can be fired “at will.” That history has had a recent illustration: earlier this month, the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C., struck down part of a law by which Congress created a single director to lead the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau – a law that specified that the director could be removed by the President only “for cause.”
The appeals court simply deleted that phrase from the law, thus making the agency’s head subject to being fired by the President for any reason, or no reason at all. (The government has not yet indicated whether it will challenge that ruling in further appeals, perhaps to the Supreme Court.)
That is very much in line with what the Supreme Court has ruled over the years, to preserve the power of the President to be fully in charge of the Executive Branch. Since 1968, a federal law has provided that the head of the FBI will have a 10-year term in office. But the situation legally is that the chance to serve a full term depends upon retaining the confidence of the President.
And here comes the "-1, Truth Hurts" contingent -- just like clockwork.
Wow, slashdot must really be broken if you and 3 ACs managed to reply to the wrong comment.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
90 % of statistics like yours are pulled out of excretory orifices. As for your claim for social-Darwinist optimality, that is non-negatable. AJ Ayer would say it's devoid of cognitive content.
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A common meme is: "The Republicans already tried to look into this and couldn't make anything stick. So clearly Hillary Clinton was innocent and the Republicans are just digging for dirt and hoping to find something." Variations on this have already been posted in this discussion.
What's extraordinary here is that the Director of the FBI intervened personally on Hillary Clinton's behalf. He wrote a draft of his speech exonerating her before the FBI ever interviewed her. Her aides were given broad immunity, which is usually used to compel people to talk[1], but then they were allowed to just say things like "I don't remember". Hillary Clinton, or someone working for her, wiped her email server after a subpoena was issued requiring her to hand it over to Congress, and there were absolutely no consequences from that. A usual FBI investigation would collect as much evidence as possible as early as possible, but that wasn't done in this case... the Anthony Weiner/Huma Abedin copies of Hillary Clinton emails were found during an investigation of Weiner, but they should have been found earlier. When the FBI is actually investigating they are thorough about collecting evidence. They should have grabbed every computer Hillary ever touched, and as Huma Abedin was an aide to Hillary, every computer Huma ever touched. (They could have copied the hard disks and given the computers back right away.)
Most extraordinary of all: the Director of the FBI claimed that "no reasonable prosecutor" would prosecute Hillary Clinton as no proof of ill intent was found, yet the laws she broke do not require intent but only require proof of mishandling of data.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447209/hillary-clinton-e-mail-investigation-grand-jury-subpoenas
Consider what happened to David Petraeus. He was guilty, but what he did wasn't even a tenth as serious as what Hillary Clinton did. But the Director of the FBI didn't whitewash the investigation for him, so his career was over. (By the way, he didn't go to prison, so he still got better treatment than the "little people" would get. Consider the case of Bryan H. Nishimura. I would say that what Nishimura did wasn't even a thousandth as serious as what Hillary Clinton did, but he was treated much more harshly than she was. Note that he wasn't charged with any "intent", just the mishandling of data.)
I'm pretty sure that if a member of the Trump administration mishandles classified data, he or she won't get the special treatment that Hillary Clinton got. But the Democrats will get a President elected again sometime in the future and I would like to get a precedent established that the laws apply to Democrats as much as to Trump and his staff. I know that the law is not enforced perfectly even-handedly in this country (or any country in the real world) but I am appalled at the epic whitewashing done on behalf of Hillary Clinton to protect
lf(1): it's like ls(1) but sorts filenames by extension, tersely
GP: trump says his voters are morons.
YOU: Trump tells the truth. BUT HILLARY!!!111oneeleven!111
Me: well, you certainly proved Trump correct.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
That's a very nice way of saying 'He had dirt on 99% of congress and could do _anything_ he wanted'.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Too bad he was sabotaged by the Democrats.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Couldn’t be bothered when it happened or even discuss it but now the GOP Congress is investigating it - slashdot bothers to post an article about how this is just to deflect from the Trump Russia investigation.
Are you fucking retarded? There were tons of stories posted to /. about this. Like this one:
https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://politics.slashdot.org/...
Or this one:
https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story...
Or this one:
https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...
Or this one:
https://politics.slashdot.org/...
Or any of dozens of other stories. Are you really so deluded that you just block this shit out of your memory or are knowingly posting shit like this to get people to believe your "alternative facts"? It amazes me that people lie about stuff that can be fact-checked so easily, but I guess it's just an example of "follow the leader".
Enigma
Hell, I'd grab the ACs ID and vote for him twice.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Is Putin running for reelection in the US 2020 race? Because he is the openly gayest acting candidate ever.
If attorney-general Jeff Sessions were going to bring charges against Hillary, if it was winnable, if it's even a good idea to go after your former opponent just after the election's over, he would have done so already.
It's beyond debate that Clinton committed a felony even under Comey's optimistic rendition of the facts. You and I would have been most cheerfully prosecuted -- and likely convicted -- under these same facts.
It's ironic that you're happy to acknowledge that the Trump administration's decision not to prosecute might be politically motivated -- you're simply proving my point about Obama's.
Need to give cover to Trump
Here lets start. Trump has been president for 10 months now and the world hasn't ended.
See a fact. Now watch them piss themselves. It never gets old.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
About time someone started investigating the investigation.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
I'm an indÃf©pendant
What they hell did Slashdot do to my plain and simple word. It's not like I was trying some fancy European spelling of "independent" (though now I see I didn't spell it right, but that's no easy to throw an ASCII fit Slashdot)..
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Making such public would hurt T's election chances. Why would they want that? Looks more like they are inventing excuses to dig. After all, the email scandal came about while investigating Benghazi in general. Thus, digging in A may result in dirt on B.
Further, Putie's meddling was current, while the email issue was from the past. Typically you don't want to let the suspect know you are investigating a crime in progress (unless something imminent and significant is about to happen).
Table-ized A.I.
Seems we need an independent group to prioritize investigations based on level of suspicion and probable damage rather than politics. Otherwise, the party in power will just pour microscopes into the opposing party.
Table-ized A.I.
Eh.
Veh.
Dence.
No, accusations from the same professional liars that got you in Iraq is not evidence. And before one of the rubes starts up with the "go back to RT, Boris" crap, you guys said the same thing about skeptics being Saddam supporters if they questioned Bush's claims in 2003. You were tools then, and you're tools now.
Actually, some of the emails had highly sensitive info on them. Stuff like the actual names of citizens of other nations working for the US in in their country. That is life and death type of info and is classified far above Top Secret. If I remember correctly it is Eyes Only or something close to that. Ambassadors do not have that type of clearance, and neither do members of Congress who are members of the Intelligence oversight committees.
This is some very serious stuff.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
I guess the GOP is doing the best to distract the general public ( with their feeble mindsets) from the ongoing probe of Russian influence/collusion in the 2106 election
A waste of taxpayer dollars, IMHO
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That's exactly how it works as this information is born classified. If Hillary was emailing the ambassador to South Korea about North Korea's nuclear arsenal, do you think that conversation had to be stamped "classified" before it would be considered as such?
Huh, didn't know you were such a Hillbot, regurgitating some fine bullshit cooked up by David Brock. Learn something new every day...
Do you even have any idea what the cost of living is in Denmark? If the income is the same a Dane pays more taxes, higher prices for homes or apartments, higher restaurant prices, clothing costs, higher prices for gas, higher prices for all utilities, etc.... Some of these higher prices are very daunting as they are 100-160% higher than in the US. That means more than double what those things cost in the US. For example, a pair of Levi's 501 jeans in the US averages $41.48 nationally. In Denmark that same pair of jeans is $108.49. All things considered a Dane's purchasing power is 16% lower than someone of comparable income in the US. Meaning, of course, that overall a Dane is 16% poorer than the equivalent American.
There is no free ride.
"while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." de Tocqueville
Huh, didn't know you were such a Hillbot
Not at all. I voted for Gary Johnson ... although as a non-swing Californian, my vote didn't count anyway.
Ain't no commies gonna get nominated by either the D or the R face of the Capitalist Party.
Did you know that 72% of doctors and 104.3% of economists agree that only 6% of people would benefit from having enough money to live indoors and buy food?
The problem is that when you give people this free stuff, they have absolutely zero gratitude for it. Because fuck you, that's why. In order for people to feel they own something, they have to work for it. Then they feel a sense of ownership. Give people something for free, and they abuse the shit out of it, because why not? Take, take, take and never give. The system only exists for them to exploit and the idea of contributing sounds absurd. They have no pride.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Bill doesn't like Bernie
I do like Bernie. I just don't agree with him.
Bernie would have stopped Bill from offshoring American jobs.
How, pray tell, would Bernie have done that? If I hire someone in Shanghai to write software, or design circuits, how could President Bernie have stopped me from doing that? By blocking the encrypted emails bringing the "goods" into America?
America needs to create jobs by learning to compete, not by throwing up barriers. This is one issue where Bernie and Donald agree, and they are both wrong. No country has created prosperity by hiding behind a protectionist wall.
Did you compensate for the average butt size in your jeans price comparison?
Ezekiel 23:20
The world hasn't ended, but respect for America has.
So you agree with the idea that inheritance tax should be 100% then? Otherwise you think it's OK to get free stuff from your dead dad. Christmas and Birthdays are out for you as well. The police shouldn't help unless you have a tax receipt? Can't use any public highway or side walk if you are too young to pay tax? How much did you pay to sign up to Slashdot?
Apart, from the times he's demonstrably lied. http://www.politifact.com/pers...
So you're old and obsolete and support a greedy bigoted political party. Your leader is against science, education, social services, women's rights, art, racial tolerance and pardons evil people like Arpaio. Why the fuck are you even here?
And the red states' answer was to elect an even more evil entity with absolutely no morals who would fill the white house with greedy cronies. That'll fix it!
The fact that, out of the 1000 posts here, yours is the only sensible one, shows you what we're up against. Intelligence is in short supply in America these days.
At the time he was running against other Republicans, and it wasn't clear if Clinton or Sanders would be the Democratic nominee. So your comment doesn't make much sense in context.
Which is not to say that if the Republicans had picked a saner candidate, he or she wouldn't have won. It's actually hard to think of someone who wouldn't have won both the electoral college and the popular vote against Clinton. That's what a 25 year smear campaign against Clinton combined with Clinton's horrible centrist politics brings you.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
to get my hopes up something comes of the 3,403 investigations of the Clinton crime family. I know her "justice" isn't in this world, but after she is dead. ETERNITY is a long time to burn in hell.
That's exactly how it works as this information is born classified. If Hillary was emailing the ambassador to South Korea about North Korea's nuclear arsenal, do you think that conversation had to be stamped "classified" before it would be considered as such?
That would depend on the content of the information she sent to the ambassador of South Korea. She could still be convicted of espionage, as the secretary of state, if she sent information to South Korea that she did not have the proper authorization to release. And you can bet that the information would have some sort of classification on it when it went out to indicate to the ambassador of South Korea how sensitive the US considered the information.
I wish I could believe that this is more than partisan witch hunting. Party A comes into power and immediately starts investigations of actions taken when Party B was in power.
Personally, I believe there is a lot of smoke around Clinton's handling of classified material. If any average citizen did the same things they would probably be in jail or at the least lose their clearance. But I also understand the further up the food-chain one goes the squishier the rules become.
At this point I'd like to see the Clintons fade into the background and for the government to move forward with an agenda of "positive" action, not revenge-seeking for past actions.
Hard to see this as anything other than a Republican hatchet job intended to distract from looming Russia indictments, and sundry horrors perpetrated upon long suffering decent citizens by this gang of self-serving kleptocrats.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
There is plenty of evidence since 2010 that the Clinton's did sell access to the SOS allowing a Russian Federation backed concern consolidation of uranium mines. It also shows that Holder and Obama sat on the evidence.
FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow
The problem is that when you give people this free stuff, they have absolutely zero gratitude for it. Because fuck you, that's why. In order for people to feel they own something, they have to work for it. Then they feel a sense of ownership. Give people something for free, and they abuse the shit out of it, because why not? Take, take, take and never give. The system only exists for them to exploit and the idea of contributing sounds absurd. They have no pride.
That is absolute bullshit. I am enormously grateful for my "free" education, which I have been more than happy to pay for out of my taxes since I started working.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
The problem is that when you give people this free stuff, they have absolutely zero gratitude for it. Because fuck you, that's why. In order for people to feel they own something, they have to work for it. Then they feel a sense of ownership. Give people something for free, and they abuse the shit out of it, because why not? Take, take, take and never give. The system only exists for them to exploit and the idea of contributing sounds absurd. They have no pride.
Do you have any actual evidence to support your assertions?
I'm not entirely inclined to disagree with you, but I strongly suspect the attitude you describe actually only applies to a minority of actual people. Moral hazards apply when there is benefit in unethical behaviour and little or no punishment of it. When the "free stuff" is education and health care, I'm not seeing the clear benefit in unethical behaviour, nor am I seeing where they would be a lack of punishment for abuse of those services. It seems like the threat of moral hazard would be very dependent on the implementation details.
I tend to believe that as societal goods, both health care and education should be subsidized. I tend to believe that higher education, university and college should not be totally free, for similar reasons as you. But I think the fees should be minimal and far below the current American fees because as an American you should want more highly trained and profitable workers in your country as opposed to unemployable welfare recipients. The fees should be used to weed out the people who don't actually want to be there to learn (not that will always work when parents can pay for everything) for the benefit of those who are there to learn. A for-profit health care system, however, is just a bad idea. It doesn't matter how much money a Typhoid Mary makes or can afford to pay for medical treatment, her victims would still get sick and die. Making it harder for patient 0 in an outbreak to get treatment isn't going to help anyone regardless of how much money they make.
I should probably also clarify that I'm only talking about the overall insurance system that shouldn't be for profit in health care, for profit health care research, hospitals and doctors seem entirely reasonable. It's just that making access to health care dependent on personal wealth is short-sighted and ultimately self-defeating.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
*Of course* there's no free ride! That Dane is part of a society whose members have decided it is better (and cheaper) for everyone to band together and buy a shit load of stuff collectively (healthcare, social care etc) rather than buying it individually. So your jeans are cheaper, but your healthcare is waaaaaaaay more expensive. And guess what? No-one drops dead or loses a house from not being able to afford jeans, but they sure as hell do if they can't afford healthcare.
Danish healthcare expenditure totalled 10.8% of GDP in 2014.
US healthcare expenditure totalled 17.1% in the same year.
The Danes spent an average of $5199 on healthcare in 2016, of which $4374 was for government / compulsory services. Americans spent an average of $9892 on healthcare in the same year, of which $4860 was for government / compulsory services. Yes, you actually spent 12 US Levi jeans *more* per year on government / compulsory services in 2016 than the Danes, despite their being able to provide a universal service for that money, while you put up with terrible safety nets, all because of the ridiculous state you've allowed your health system to get into, by being so in thrall to the notion of the free market as a political construct (although obviously not an actual political objective in US health policy for the Republicans or the Democrats).
That 9% figure is usually quoted by public health folks talking about the importance of the social determinants of health. You have no idea how directly that undercuts the argument you are trying to make.
It would be very stupid for the Ds to do it, but they might, being morons.
They came very close the last cycle, granting it was only because all the decent candidates stepped back and a commie stepping into the vacuum.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It would have been better to vote for a harridan who believes it but is too smart to reveal it?
-Styopa
You are getting modded down for mentioning these things in the WRONG FUCKING PLACE.
There are LOTS of people who agree with what you say; however, do it in the right place or get modded down. This is not a story about Trump. Bringing him into this story just makes sure that rational people know that people who hate Trump are irrational. Which is why you are doing this anonymously. You are irrational and nobody will look at the "evidence" because nobody rational has provided them with evidence.
How does it feel to work against your own interests? Dumbass.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
If the aim is to build a Nuclear weapon capable of destroying the United States, it doesn't have to leave American soil.
*puts finger to chin* Didn't think of that did you? Did ya? *nods smugly*
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Did you know that 72% of doctors and 104.3% of economists agree that only 6% of people would benefit from having enough money to live indoors and buy food?
What? You think having a job entitles you to pay high enough to afford to live indoors and buy food? LOL. Be glad you are being paid at all and stop whining about what that pay will buy you. You are being paid so shut the fuck up. Your statistics are meaningless.
(sarcasm?)
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
According to the truth, or to your childlike faith in corporate media? Benghazi was the start of a proxy war that showed the world how truly evil the U.S. federal government has become.
I base it on the fact that multiple investigations by Republicans who were willing to indict her of any crime failed to find one thing to charge her with in any wrong doing. Unless you are one of those people who believe in alternate facts.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
There we go. One moderator, one registered user, and one AC. Not bad for a half ass troll attempted.
Of the three, only the moderator has found truth. He detected my obvious toll and tagged it as such. Good job.
I don't read or reply to AC posts, so I don't know if he is agreeing or not.
So now we have dave. Someone who's TDS was bad enough that he had to respond despite it being a obvious troll. Dave also responded in the exact manner I predicted he would. He responded to my rock-hard fact whit something was his option. In other words, something he made up. I could go on, but my point has been made.
Since the whole point of my toll was to flush out a SJW, I'm not going to point out how is option, despite being his option, is wrong. Class dismissed.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
Nobody older than 20 believed anybody but Hillary was going to be the nominee. Nobody, the fix was in from the start.
Even the older reds new. They might still have voted Sanders, but it was just a pose.
There is a reason 10% of Sanders voters, voted Trump.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Bernie Sanders broke every previous US record for voter support.
Except for, you know, not getting enough votes.
He had more people show up at single rallies
How many people show up at rallies doesn't matter. He needed people to show up at voting booths, and they didn't come.