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New Science Suggests the Ocean Could Rise More -- and Faster -- Than We Thought (washingtonpost.com)
Chris Mooney, writing for the Washington Post: Climate change could lead to sea level rises that are larger, and happen more rapidly, than previously thought, according to a trio of new studies that reflect mounting concerns about the stability of polar ice. In one case, the research suggests that previous high end projections (PDF) for sea level rise by the year 2100 -- a little over three feet -- could be too low, substituting numbers as high as six feet at the extreme if the world continues to burn large volumes of fossil fuels throughout the century (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled). "We have the potential to have much more sea level rise under high emissions scenarios," said Alexander Nauels, a researcher at the University of Melbourne in Australia who led one of the three studies. His work, co-authored with researchers at institutions in Austria, Switzerland, and Germany, was published Thursday in Environmental Research Letters. The results comprise both novel scientific observations -- based on high resolution seafloor imaging techniques that give a new window on past sea level events -- and new modeling techniques based on a better understanding of Antarctic ice. Further reading: Sea levels to rise 1.3m unless coal power ends by 2050, report says (The Guardian).
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New Science Suggests the Ocean Could Rise More -- and Faster -- Than We Thought
Maybe. Possibly.
But aren't we already suppose to be under ten feet of water?
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
I'm pretty damn sure that the world ended in 2015 just like they predicted.
https://www.mrctv.org/videos/f...
If you don't believe that New York was underwater 24/7/365 BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE they clearly you are a science denier.
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Such accurate predictions!
Wake me up when ANY of their predictions actually comes true.
Due to a typical but very strange bit of human psychology, I both have difficulty believing the world will actually change significantly in my lifetime while simultaneously wanting to see some kind of apocalypse (under the assumption I somehow manage to survive and thrive post-apocalypse).
I mean, it's worth the end of the world as we know it just to be able to gloat to the survivors that I was right, isn't it?
...it's overpriced, it's over-hyped. Beach property, near the sea, near the beach, near a pond - and cost 3-10 times as much as a normal property. You're investing badly, and you're gonna find out the hard way.
I already knew this when I moved from Denmark to another country (several Danish cities is suffering from the ocean eating up the ground, and houses are constantly falling into the sea when the ground gets eaten up by the sea). I now live 80m above sea level - and 10 times cheaper, with the same solid building.
To quote Nelson from the Simpsons -> "Ha haa!".
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
This is serious! We need huge government action that enriches tons of cronies!
Enrich cronies to save the world! Now!
Computer: *ding ding* Warning. Sarcasm meter on overload. Shutting down.
Slashdot has been infested with uneducated, anti-science retards.
I hope for your own sake that you are a Russian bot who is colluding with Russia to flood Florida, and other coastal cities and open up Russian shipping routes in the arctic.
If this isn't treason or sockpuppettry then your mind is surely hobbled by profound retardation.
"New models" same crappy agenda driven models that over estimate the warming.
Sea level shows no signs of acceleration, it has been rising at 2-3mm/year for hundreds of years.
The free market is on track to switch to largely renewable energy within 10-20 years in wealthy western nations, and within a few more decades in the rest of the world.
The only way that could fail is if ill-conceived government climate change policies create a long-lasting global recession. Fortunately, with the failure of left wing governments in both the US and Europe, that doesn’t seem likely.
In 1000 years, the fables won't be about the boy who cried wolf or Chicken Little, they'll be about the hyperventilating climate crazies.
The FUDstream never ends with these guys, does it?
https://www.thenewamerican.com...
http://www.nationalreview.com/... ...has a great video link to a report from 2008 that predicted BY 2015 "Manhattan is disappearing under rising seas, milk is almost $13 per âoecarton,â and gas prices skyrocketed to more than $9 per gallon..."
Seriously, man: there are actual climate changes that we have to seriously cope with. That isn't being helped by alarmist bullshittery like this.
-Styopa
...climatology would be the ghetto.
Except the price has only gone up. Yes, longterm, like say, the year 2100, beachfront property will have been a bad investment. But for now, you can buy it, enjoy the beach, then sell in ten years for a nice profit.
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I am not a denier or a fanatic i am more moderate, I believe in change and these stories hurt the case for both sides to do anything about it. I believe we should be focusing on adapting to the change. We certainly are not going to reverse it anytime soon. The world is not going to revert back to the dark ages for the sake of the Planet, which will survive, we want power and lots of it and we want it now not in the future. What we need to do is look what we can do as a plus to adapt. New farming areas opening up in the rich organic tundra to grow crops to feed the increase in population, room for more housing in temperate zones and many other possible benefits. Humans don't like change but we can and will adapt. We did it before with the ice age. Man survived and flourished we shall do it again as the planet warms up.
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Even tough C02 levels increased exponentially for a time, sea level rise has been progress about the same rate for over 100 years. Warming has been kind of flat. We know for a fact now that warming runaway is simply not a valid theory, so all we are left with is the slow mild warming the climate has been undergoing for a while, which is harmless.
If people with power and money REALLY THOUGHT anything like this sea level alarmism was true, you would absolutely see this priced into seafront real estate prices. But they just continue to climb.
The same way that people who tell you CO2 is an issue just LOVE private jets, the people who tell you to worry about sea level don't actually believe it either.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
you live out in the sticks in a bumfuck nation away from all the life the ocean brings. your life is pathetic. haha.
Not to mention the water.
If you've ever owned anything big like a house or a car or even a boat you know that water is bad, especially salt water.
Answer this:
Where is the science that says the current global average temperature is optimal?
It isn't "optimal". It is, however, what we have built our society's infrastructure around, and what the Earth's ecology has adapted to.
We could rebuild our infrastructure to a different temperature. It will have a cost. The Earth's ecology can adapt to a different set of climates. It will take time, and result in some amount of species loss, but inside of ten thousand years or so, they'd adapt.
It's only the short term-- the next few centuries-- that would be hard.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
Yeah, now if the world will just embrace the idea of inland ports.....
And I live by the river
They have to avoid Trump politics like the plague now. There is evidence, ACTUAL evidence, that Clinton colluded with Russia to spread disinformation to influence an American election. You remember, that thing so horrible that Trump should be shot on sight and impeached and how it would be the absolute worst thing possible for a politician to ever do? Yea, Clinton ACTUALLY did it, and lied about it for a year.
So we won't be seeing any Trump stories so they have to resort to crap like this where it isn't likely to come up.
Oh yea, there is ALSO evidence that nearly Obama's entire cabinet, and the FBI, was involved in the Russian bribes on Uranium One. Including Robert Muller, then head of the FBI, and current special council investigating Trump. Have we ever had a special council/investigator charged with a crime while investigating a president? We are about to.
How many different studies will we have that don't agree about what's happening before we realize that we don't really know?
Somebody needs to make a study about how many *different* conclusions have been made in the last 20 years and how those studies have faired when compared to reality. I'm just going to guess that two things are true. 1. The ones the press cover and are most often cited by activists are the most inaccurate over time. And 2. Not one study, if old enough to verify, shows the dire consequences we are routinely told about.
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Idiot, go fucking read the old science papers or shut the fuck up about how you feel they must be wrong.
New Science Suggests the Ocean Could Rise More -- and Faster -- Than We Thought
Maybe. Possibly.
But aren't we already suppose to be under ten feet of water?
Huh? Where did you get that? Nobody predicted ten feet-- over three meters!-- of sea level rise by 2017.
The very first IPCC report-- back in 1990--predicted "an average rate of global mean sea level rise of about 6 cm per decade over the next century (with an uncertainty range of 3 – 10 cm per decade), mainly due to thermal expansion of the oceans and the melting of some land ice. The predicted rise is about 20 cm ... by 2030, and 65 cm by the end of the next century."
The most recent (5th, 2014) report (here https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assess... ) says 25 cm to 70 cm by 2100. (That's the one that this news item is reacting to).
Nobody predicted 10 feet by 2017-- you should look back and find who told you that had been the prediction and never believe them again.
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
That phrase "as early as"--what does it mean, exactly? If you call this a "prediction"-- what did it predict, and how can you tell whether it is accurate?
Here's a good discussion: https://www.carbonbrief.org/gu...
And here's a nice one with a pretty graphic visualization: http://sciencenordic.com/when-...
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
Further fomenting stress and discord as distraction? What's different about this week than last? Is it that Hillary and the DNC have been outed as funding the Trump dossier and the Russian narrative has flipped so Congress is investigating the establishment now? How about the increasing inferno of details on what is the Hollywood pedophilia/rape culture, with details that have been coming out for the last two weeks? Nah, probably not. Global Warming, we're all all going to die!!
Seriously, you do realize life is a fatal condition for anyone living it.
I'll rent you a few square feet of my ocean front South Dakota property.
Yeah, anyone who buys overpriced beach front property is a sucker.
Didn't anyone watch Superman 4? The real trick is to buy cheap land along the San Andreas Fault and then start a nuclear war so you can have about a thousand miles of brand new beach front property!
p.s. And the way you pay for all of that cheap land is to use the rounding error trick from Superman 3 / Office Space.
To worry about. Temperature over 110F and 90% humidity can kill the seniors especially if the power goes out.
Wow! Full Court Press on the narrative today. (Score:-1)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26, 2017 @05:05PM (#55440085)
Further fomenting stress and discord as distraction? What's different about this week than last? Is it that Hillary and the DNC have been outed as funding the Trump dossier and the Russian narrative has flipped so Congress is investigating the establishment now? How about the increasing inferno of details on what is the Hollywood pedophilia/rape culture, with details that have been coming out for the last two weeks? Nah, probably not. Global Warming, we're all all going to die!!
Seriously, you do realize life is a fatal condition for anyone living it.
Can we get back to doing real science again?
The goal of the "central committees" you are trying to demonize WAS to obviate their own existence by solving this problem 20 fucking years ago. Stupid shit free market Republican assholes have been fighting it ever since, and now you and gp are trying to claim that efficient electric is a libertarian win? Fuck that.
Sorry, but this isn't a science. Don't call it a science in the title when the article calls it a study.
Something is science ONLY when it is testable. A study is just a guess, and since a study isn't testable you can't prove it or disprove it. I don't have to even look to see who pays for the study, it clearly says in the article that the reason for the study is to be anti-coal.
How long will have to put up with crap like this?
Many nuclear plants are quite close to the shore, and will have trouble operating during storms with an ocean level 1.8 meters higher than today.
If operators do not understand when the plant should be shut down for safety, we will have more Fukushima-style episodes.
You dumbass shithead. Blaming "enviros" for the recent fire in northern California is the height of duplicity. Guess who started it? PG&E. The power company who fucking presumably neglected line maintenance to instead boost shareholder value. And before you start gas bagging on about underbrush, you might want to think about how the coastal oaks have been dying for the last 15 years, most likely fucking related to mother fucking climate change.
Even if global warming is real, who cares? There is no objective way to estimate the economic impact. All these fear-mongering climate warriors tell us Al Gore-like stories about massive natural disasters killing us all; thankfully hardly anyone believes that trash anymore.
Global warming = more CO2 = more photosynthesis = more food
Why do climate warriors hate starving people so much? Global warming is good for agriculture. Hooray for global warming!
Inland ports aren't quite as silly as they sound. West Sacramento built a channel to become a deep water ship port.
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At the current rate that prices of solar power and other renewables are going down, I don't see anyone wanting to burn anything to produce electricity by the end of the next decade. Couple that with self driving electric taxis, trucks and other vehicles and you will see a much smaller carbon footprint per capita. It will not be international agreements but simple economics that will put an end to greenhouse gas emissions much faster than Trump and his Oil/Coal extracting buddies are prepared to deal with.
sigo ergo sum
Pull your head from your ass you ignorant American. He said people not 1 China 2 India's and five Africa's. American people produce far far more than other people.
And in its furthest prediction, it would be 2019. Is it 2019 yet? No? I thought you'd said it was already wrong? Apparently not.
Oh, and didn't you say that it would be 10 feet under water? Based on the ice caps on Antarctica melting. Since this is not land ice, not Antarctica, in what way was ANY scientist predicting what you claimed?
Given your prediction scientists said what they clearly did not has failed, we can then know that AGW is real.
So clearly you were lying.
You get to pollute more than everyone because you go there first. Fuck you ignorant asshole.
China is using less and less coal even with more newer plants. They are replacing less efficient more polluting ones as well.
Even your own link shows that America produces a bit more than 1/2 as much CO2 as China. But America has only a quarter the number of people. So that means Americans are all twice as polluting as Chinese people.
Mining data reviewed by The Associated Press show that production through May is up by at least 121 million tons, or 6%, for the three countries compared to the same period last year. The change is most dramatic in the US, where coal mining rose 19% in the first five months of the year, according to US Department of Energy data.
Or perhaps they directed research money to non-fossil fuel research endeavours and thus laid the groundwork for the current adoption of such, the actual antithesis of the libertarian way? It isn't magic, technology depends on research.
In my 1st grade Weekly Reader they said "Michigan would be the new Florida within 30 years" in 1980. Let me do the math, 2017-1980=37 years. Looks like they missed that prediction by atleast a decade now. What do you think? I think the narrative is getting old and people are tuning out. What say you?
We're already way below what Al Gore claimed would happen by now. In fact I'd argue NOTHING has risen from 1985 on. It's a big wealth redistribution scheme and Al is making billions on people.
How is letting people who produce much less emissions than you do, produce a bit more, but still much less than you do "Giving them a free pass" ?
Aren't you just trying to grandfather in your free pass, by saying those people shouldn't be allowed to emit as much as you yourself already do?
You trolling coal shill