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Tesla Hit With Labor Complaint On Behalf of Fired Factory Workers (theverge.com)

On behalf of the hundreds of Tesla workers that were fired last week from the company's assembly plant, the United Auto Workers filed a complaint today to the National Relations Board. The UAW posted a copy of the complaint on its website, which alleges that pro-union workers were unfairly targeted. The Verge reports: The UAW says the complaint was made on Wednesday to the Oakland offices of the National Relations Board. The union claims the recent culling of several hundred Tesla employees included many who were involved in a pro-union movement at the Fremont assembly plant, and included those who wore pro-union shirts and stickers. The Fremont factory site has roots in the UAW. It was once a former joint manufacturing facility owned by GM and Toyota, until it closed in 2010. Despite ongoing efforts, under Tesla's ownership, the factory is not unionized. A pro-union rally was held Tuesday in front of the plant, which was documented in a Facebook post by the pro-union group A Fair Future at Tesla.

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  1. Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Eloking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many of the fired worker because of bad performance were also pro-union? I'm so surprised!

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    1. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Rei · · Score: 0

      Tesla has owned the Fremont factory since 2010. It's now late 2017. Funny that in all this time UAW never saw fit to hold a vote on unionization in this supposedly horrible, unfair work environment, and has instead chosen to wage a PR campaign instead.

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    2. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unions must be started from working laborers, that is the reason for delay. It takes time for abuse to be recognized and acted against collectively to form a union.

    3. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Rei · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure people have been abused for 7 1/2 years but are just now "recognizing" it.

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    4. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by zlives · · Score: 1

      there is a difference between recognizing it and being willing and able to do something about it.
      i guess they finally reached their limit.

    5. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      It takes a long time for a critical mass of people to experience the shit and get sick enough of it that they take action.

    6. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, just for the record, being in a union doesn't prevent a company from laying off workers by the thousands. My uncle worked for Boeing as a union machinist a few decades ago, and I recall stories about how Boeing would lay off large numbers of workers, which many suspected was mostly about boosting short term stock prices or price-earning ratios (which, completely co-incidentally, could make executives a lot in bonuses). Only they actually needed those workers to meet production demands, so a few months later, most of them would be quietly hired back.

      I'm not sure if that's what's happening at Tesla, but it's hard to say when you're just looking in from the outside. The UAW isn't exactly a disinterested party without an agenda either. Unions are as much a business as anything else.

      It will be interesting to see if Tesla can demonstrate that these were indeed poorly-performing employees via documentation, reviews, complaints, etc.

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    7. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of the fired worker because of bad performance were also pro-union? I'm so surprised!

      I know. Poor performers tend to love unions and the rules that make it very hard to fire them.

    8. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unions v Musk

      The left is cannibalizing itself.

    9. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work at Tesla. Posting anon for obvious reasons.

      I got a raise and a stock award the same week these people were laid off. Nobody I know or work with except for one overpaid and under-effective senior manager were laid off.

      I find it to be plausible that the employees that were invited to explore other opportunities were actually ineffective poor performers.

    10. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you know, it didn't fucking happen?

    11. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      If you think "the left" is for Calvanist robber barons, you need to get out more.

    12. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      If corporate overlords treated their workers fairly, unions never would have existed in the first place. Workers who depend on their next paycheck for their standard of living aren't going to start out from Day 1 looking to put those checks in jeopardy by going against the company. Unless they have a reason to.

      This isn't rocket science.

    13. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is a âoeCalvanistâ (did you mean Calvinist?) and what does that even remotely have to do with this topic?

    14. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's 2 people. I think 1,200 hundred were laid off all up. Are you suggesting there was at least (and i would imagine highly qualified hires give the nature of the business) 1200 poor performers. You do sound a little bit biased, and paid well for that bias too ;)

    15. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I recall stories about how Boeing would lay off large numbers of workers, which many suspected was mostly about boosting short term stock prices

      Another proof that the stock market is broken. A successful company hires people. A company in trouble fires people.

    16. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally irrelevant. Workers today know when they are being mistreated and that there are avenues to address it. Such avenues should not take 7 years to follow.

      This is as noted above just a Union PR effort to try to force Tesla to Unionize.

    17. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how is anyone going to be able to give an honest insider view of what is really happening if they are automatically shills if they don't bash the employer?

      Stupid Union Shill.

    18. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. Workers are stupid and a liability. There is no way an auto worker should get the $50+/hr for basically tightening a few bolts on a car.

      Watch any recent auto plant assembly video and see. machines do most of the labor and the only real downside of the job is that it's repetitive and boring. Door 1 of the day or door 500 that day. Same door, over and over.

    19. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is being Pro-union the cause or effect?

      Its totally possible that most under-performing workers are generally Pro-union.

      It make sense that people who see no better future to be Pro union since they know that they are totally not gonna make the promos ever....

    20. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgive him, for he comes from the time of Henri III of France.

    21. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Many of the fired worker because of bad performance were also pro-union? I'm so surprised!

      Poor performance? That has to be proven. I would like to see both sides show their evidence before I make my conclusion (or assumption). Pro union? That could be a reason of discrimination from the company, but it could be a double-edged sword for the ex-employee to use against the company though.

    22. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't my shitty performance that got me fired. It couldn't be my fault. Oh, here's this union guy saying that i got fired because I supported unionizing. That must be it, it must be. It couldn't be my fault, I'm a special snowflake. And maybe there is a buck in it for me too. Yes, they owe me money...those corporate basterds.

    23. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not necessarily, company making a lot of money could decide to fire you if they see other people wanting job and asking for only 90% of your salary
      if you can do job, those people accepting 10% lower salary can also do it with a little of on-job training, than they fire you and hire cheaper person, and make even more money
      if i was stockholder i would be 100% for decrease of costs of this type

    24. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by torkus · · Score: 1

      Unions are the antipathy of companies like Tesla. While they were hugely beneficial before communication allowed large groups to discuss and share, they're much less useful these days and much more harmful. I know plenty of union workers and even they crack jokes about the ridiculous rules, benefits, and stupidity they deal with. Unions make workers focus on (often) inane rules and not on productivity or achievement.

      TBH, I think this whole thing is a huge ploy by the UAW. They had their shills in the factories spending lots of time shilling for the union instead of doing their jobs. The UAW knew this, accepted it, and probably did/will compensate these folks "because helping abused auto workers it the right thing to do." They stir up lots of anger and debate over generally false pretenses, get the place unionized, and they back to (crappy) business as usual.

      Tesla, if they're smart, will state from the beginning they will not prevent employees from unionizing, but will also not accept a single union demand...so they only thing joining will get is another nick in your paycheck.

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    25. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by torkus · · Score: 2

      Actually no.

      An at-will state allows for termination for no reason at all. You just can't terminate "BECAUSE UNION" specifically but you can surely terminate because, because. It's upon the individual to prove discrimination at that point.

      Furthermore, it's pretty damn easy to give someone a poor performance review and terminate them on the spot unless you have specific policies in place for remediation. Since generally at least some aspects of reviews are subjective, there's little stopping an employer from marking those in the red and letting you go.

      'Isn't agreeable with direction from management' is a nice one. Since you're going to disagree with management on your review, it's a handy circular argument that's nearly impossible to win.

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    26. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      A successful company cuts waste and shows the same or better production with reduced costs.

    27. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      Unions can easily shutdown production indefinitely at numerous sites if they are coordinated and smart. It would be very hard for Tesla not to accept any of their demands. I'm pretty sure that Tesla thinks an ounce of prevention is a lot better than tons of cure.

    28. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by HuguesT · · Score: 2

      That's the easy, short term way. In reality these people asking for 90% of your salary could be 100% untrained.

    29. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      True of all unions for the most part. The difference is the rules they must follow should they do that. Usually most significant in terms of severance based on length of employment and that sort of thing. So in the above case, each time they were "laid off" they would get a payout, and if they were hired back, could actually come out on top of the situation.

      I found out recently (though fortunately not personally) that indeed, if an organization with unionized labor wants to lay you off, they can and will, only it is more difficult to do so at a whim, and if it does happen there are negative financial repercussions. So again in the above example it might prevent organizations from trying to lay people off to make the books look good in the short term, because with all the severance payouts it would probably look worse, unless they are looking at restructuring for the future, in which case it might make fiscal sense to do so.

      Anyway the thing here is they are trying to bust the union from getting started without looking like that is what they are doing (if that is indeed the case).

    30. Re: Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a look round your workplace and count how many of them are bad at their jobs. Its going to be about a third in my experience. Just because they have more workers doesn't mean that ratio will change.

    31. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Capitalists are stupid and a liability. There is no way an executive should get the $50+/hr when others do all the actual work that makes the actual money

      FTFY

    32. Re:Many was pro-union? What a surprise! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what people with zero understanding of running a business say. Most executives I've run across are easily worth more than what they're paid, and very few aren't. Just as a case in point:

      https://aflcio.org/paywatch/TM...

      The AFL-CIO thinks it's terrible that John Legere makes 533 times more than the line workers. But here's why he gets paid what he gets paid: He turned that carrier around from hemorrhaging customers to being the fastest growing carrier within three years, overtaking Sprint as the #3 carrier in the process.

      Besides that, because of him, my phone bill has seen both a 50% reduction in cost and a massive increase in quality of service. The same can be said of non T-Mobile customers. When Verizon started losing subscribers for the first time in over a decade and kept doing so for several quarters, they abandoned their line of "customers don't want unlimited data" to offering unlimited data.

      AFL-CIO is welcome to suck my balls. And the CWA union can suck my balls as well. It's because of them that Centurylink's employees are lazy as fuck and have made phone service here really turn to shit. I kid you not, Centurylink's employees, as per union rules, are required to bring a lawn chair and an umbrella to their work sites.

      I personally have avoided working for unionized companies not only because I would have yet another boss to answer to, but I really don't want to have money taken out of my paycheck to fatten up some mafia boss that ultimately doesn't do anything for me other than pretend he's looking out for my best interests. (Not to mention union executives everywhere make well over 6 figures...tell me...why am I supposed to hate the CEO's pay, but not theirs?)

      http://www.npr.org/templates/s...
      https://www.justice.gov/usao-n...
      http://nlpc.org/2016/02/01/top...
      https://www.reuters.com/articl...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  2. Weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was sure we are already 3D printing entire cars??

  3. Easy to dismiss by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1
    Tesla should already have the documentation available to demonstrate that these employees were under performing. Some performance reviews and PIP should clear things up.

    Unless Tesla is full of shit

    1. Re:Easy to dismiss by zlives · · Score: 1

      i am pretty sure tesla is allowed to fire whomever they want to, the issue here seems to be that tesla is trying to hedge the firings as being performance based and not financially based.

      oh noes we are totally not having any financial issues trust us we will deliver millions of cars any day now, pre buy more cars now please, not because we need your money to float the scam a bit longer.

    2. Re: Easy to dismiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, unionization is a protected activity explicitly because it forces adjustment of power that management is often opposed to but which laborers require.

    3. Re: Easy to dismiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At will employment laws are different in each state. California is very tilted for the employee unless there are supporting documents. If the company has a shred of sub-par performance documented, the employees have no chance. Unless Tesla didnt do their due diligence, the workers are out. Have no fear though, the government will give them more tax breaks and incentives to balance since they cant actually make productiom schedules.

    4. Re: Easy to dismiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      California is an at-will employment state. Employees can be asked to fuck off at any time with no reason, just the same as an employee can choose to fuck off without sanction.

      Tesla doesnâ(TM)t have to show you shit.

    5. Re:Easy to dismiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Performance reviews are never, ever influenced by a company's desire to get rid of an employee for other reasons. Performance and performance only.

    6. Re: Easy to dismiss by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      In even right-to-work-for-less states, you can indeed be fired for any reason - unless that reasoning is illegal. Being black, a woman getting pregnant, someone advocating for unions on personal or break time...those reasons are illegal.

  4. Yes we did by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Troll

    I'm still looking for a $50,000 a year job in IT in Silicon Valley though. Any ideas?

    1. Re:Yes we did by zlives · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Yes we did by dwillden · · Score: 1

      50k in Silicon Valley? I think McDonalds starts at that wage there.

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    3. Re:Yes we did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50k in Silicon Valley? I think McDonalds starts at that wage there.

      McDonalds? Nah, they pay more than that! A janitor position would be more like it.

  5. National *what* Relations Board? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the National Relations Board... it's the National Labor Relations Board. Why do you cut and paste crap without checking it? Isn't that an editor's job?

  6. Elon isnt one of the good guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's still on Trump's business advisory board. Sustainable energy clearly is just a marketable opportunity hes not serious about the environment. The firing of people at Telsa is a knee Jerk reaction to people pointing out the simple fact he is just burning through money, so he just went with the crudest cost cutting exercise in the book, get rid of some high paid workers.

    1. Re: Elon isnt one of the good guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burning through money, and using federal subsidies -- to build a new car manufacturing company, in California (USA, last I checked). At least he's doing more than talking about doing things.

    2. Re: Elon isnt one of the good guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasting money and destroying people isn't a good thing.

    3. Re: Elon isnt one of the good guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elon is smart and driven no doubt.

      But he acts like its not about profit and going to Mars is the Panacea for all humanity.

      Maybe the conspiracy is for the 1% to move to Mars after Donald pushes the button on war world 3.

      But I'm Aussie so from my stand point Elon + Trump = batshit crazy.

  7. No sweat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just move to a state with right to work laws. That's what happens.

    1. Re: No sweat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unionization is a federally protected right.

    2. Re: No sweat by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Really? What constitution are you reading?

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    3. Re: No sweat by mschuyler · · Score: 0

      Do you realize how many gazillion laws in this country have no constitutional basis? I hate unions for a variety of reasons, but the AC here is correct. You do have the right to organize.

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    4. Re: No sweat by Jzanu · · Score: 0

      This act from 1935, specifically: https://www.nlrb.gov/rights-we...

    5. Re: No sweat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unionization is a federally protected right.

      Explicitly created by the Democrats to keep the mindless drones voting for Democrats. Unions long ago out lived their stated purpose and not only exists to make the officers rich at the expense of the rank & file. There are hundreds of jobs, which basically waste money as the company is required to have the job by a union contract, yet the job function no long exists or the job description has been so narrowed that now 2-3 or more people are required to do the job.

      Janitor's in the NYC schools only empty trashcans, they don't mop floors or clean restrooms. Cargo trains are still required to
      have "firemen", yet they all run on diesel, no need to have someone shoveling coal into the fire. The list goes on and on.

  8. 50k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Raise your asking price to $70-90k, else you won't be taken seriously.

    1. Re:50k? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's some kind of meme. I've seen this several times now. I'm not in on the joke though. Obviously, as you noted, 50K per year is a low salary for silicon valley, that must be part of the joke but if that's all there is it's pretty weak.

  9. So in Bayesian terms . . . by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Tesla fired a bunch of workers for being pro-union, the union would file a complaint.

    If Tesla fired a bunch of workers that were low performers, the union would file a complaint.

    If Tesla fired a bunch of workers that were low performers but the reviews were {1%, 10%, 50%, 90%, 99%} biased against unionizers, the union would file a complaint.

    There is literally no information to go on here besides our own biases. Of course, actually digging through hundreds of personnel files with dozens of performance reviews, correlating it with what the company thought, seeing if there are emails of improper motives, that would take a while and be fought. Best to stick to your gut instinct about evil companies or slacker workers or . . .

  10. And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what? You can basically fire or lay someone off for any reason whatsoever, short of sex, religion, or age.

    1. Re: And? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually no, you can't fire anyone for forming a union or advocating for one.

  11. Slashdot factions by Latent+Heat · · Score: 0

    It is an odd thing for Ayn Rand disciples with the empathy for workers of the fictional Gordon Gecko to be so stoked to tell us "Nothing to see here, move along" about Tesla. Usually those in the free-market-uber-alles faction are just not that impressed by electric cars. A person has to wonder if a Slashdot faction commenting on this story has an "agenda."

    It is also an odd thing that Honda and other multi-national automakers have been able to set up non-union shops here in the U.S. without engaging in across-the-board purges in a way to get the UAW to smell blood.

    Talking about blood, Jean-Louis Gassee, who has a chronic medical condition requiring frequent testing of his own blood, had some interesting insights as to why tech wunderkind Elizabeth Holmes and the Theranos blood-testing company seemed odd. More recently he blogged about visiting the Fremont plant as a celebrity Model S purchaser and how he rubbed his Tesla-enthusiastic fellow celebrities the wrong way with his remarks (Gassee was buying a Model S for his wife, he explains). Parts were stacked high in contradiction of Lean Manufacturing dogma, and in contrast with the Maryville, Ohio Honda plant he had observed, the Tesla shop floor activity was frenetic. The Honda plant, by contrast, had its assembly line running so smoothly that the workers did not appear to be breaking a sweat.

    The Tesla Model S is an incredible automobile, they tell me, and maybe the problem with it is that it is incredible that Tesla is able to sell an automobile of that sophistication for the price they charge without it all being smoke-and-mirrors of burning out its workers and fleecing its investors to contribute the labor and money to in effect give away what are effectively hand-built quarter million-dollar cars?

    The stories of 70-hour work weeks of relentless pressure are just sour grapes from slackers who deserved to be cut loose? And what about SpaceX, the darling of the Ayn Rand space cadets, where Musk is able to work miracles launching reusable rockets for low money while the Boeing and Rocketdyne or whoever are spinning their fins attempting to build a new rocket, using armies of slacker aerospace workers who just put in their time and then go home to watch their daughters' soccer games, whereas SpaceX has a cadre of enthusiastic non-slacking workers putting in the 70-hour work weeks of the Apollo era where everyone ended up divorced?

    Back at Tesla, they are trying to speed up their line ten-fold to go from the high-end luxury market of the S to the upper-mass market sedan market of the Model 3. And there are just some "bottlenecks" to be worked out? While their "body" line tooling is still being put together in some undisclosed location in Southeast Michigan?

    So everything is fine with everything Elon, and he is going to work out these snags like he has worked out every engineering problem he has faced before because he is a Genius, the bitching about these recent dismissals is just a distraction. OK.

    1. Re:Slashdot factions by steveha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A person has to wonder if a Slashdot faction commenting on this story has an "agenda."

      My only agenda is to hope that Tesla succeeds, because I like the advances they have made in the state of the art. (For example, Tesla "SuperCharger" is a better charging technology than anything else available.) I don't want to see them hurting their employees, but I don't really think they need to hurt their employees to succeed.

      Everyone agrees that Tesla's production process had problems and needed to improve. Tesla claims they have improved.

      Here's an article about that:

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidmarquet/2017/06/04/elon-musk-safety-autopilot/#5d8a4b9a7a88

      According to Tesla's official blog post, they went from having a worse-than-average safety record in their factory, to having a better-than-average record. I haven't heard anything about it getting worse again, and I'm pretty sure that would be widely reported news if it happened.

      Also, one of their improvements was adding a third shift, so that work would happen 24 hours a day. This greatly reduced overtime, and was welcomed by the line workers. From the blog post: "Last year, we added a third shift to reduce the overtime burden on each team member and to improve safety. We did this because our employees asked for it, and because it was the right thing to do."

      Parts were stacked high in contradiction of Lean Manufacturing dogma, and in contrast with the Maryville, Ohio Honda plant he had observed, the Tesla shop floor activity was frenetic. The Honda plant, by contrast, had its assembly line running so smoothly that the workers did not appear to be breaking a sweat.

      Honda has been making cars since 1963 (and motorcycles before then). They have had just a bit more time to fine-tune their operations.

      Tesla has spent big money on overhauling their production process. They are planning to crank out a very large number of Model 3 cars per year, and they can't do that with a labor-intensive process. Tesla says that the Model 3 has been designed to be easy to manufacture, using lessons learned while manufacturing their other cars.

      Recently Tesla shared a video of the robots making Model 3 cars: http://bgr.com/2017/10/09/tesla-model-3-elon-musk-video-production-line/

      There are over a half-million Model 3 cars on pre-order. If Tesla can sort out their production line and get those cars delivered in a timely fashion, they will be heroes. If not, they will be in huge trouble and possibly will go bankrupt.

      The Tesla Model S is an incredible automobile, they tell me

      It really is.

      and maybe the problem with it is that it is incredible that Tesla is able to sell an automobile of that sophistication for the price they charge without it all being smoke-and-mirrors of burning out its workers and fleecing its investors to contribute the labor and money to in effect give away what are effectively hand-built quarter million-dollar cars?

      From what I have read, a Model S costs Tesla about $30K to make, so no, they are not giving away effectively hand-built cars, they are making a solid profit on each car sold.

      The stories of 70-hour work weeks of relentless pressure are just sour grapes from slackers who deserved to be cut loose?

      Tesla says that since they added the third shift (sometime in 2016) that the average number of hours worked per week is 42. Do you have newer data that contradicts this?

      here are just some "bottlenecks" to be worked out? While their "body" line tooling is still being put together in some undisclosed location in Southeast Michigan?

      I had no idea what you were talking about here. Google found this for me:

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    2. Re:Slashdot factions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does seem to be a bit of a capitalism vs communism theme, 80s political thought revival, seems like the cold war isn't over yet.

      Anyways I believe part of the success of the Japanese Car manufacturers was sworn loyalty in return for job security.

  12. Next Up by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

    Tesla and SolarCity hit with lawsuit concerning their non-existent SolarRoof product.

  13. So you're a temporarily embarrassed millionaire... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    ...who has nothing but distain for his fellow workers. Huh, never seen that in an anti-union story before.

  14. Complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know we are such great workers here in the US, I wonder why on Earth any company would even consider replacing us with robots or Chinese workers. Not when we can arbitrarily sue for being asked to do work for pay we agreed to.

  15. Just move the plant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To someplace where people want to work and DO work.

  16. Shocked by cgfsd · · Score: 1

    I heard the employees who got fired were "shocked". Sorry couldn't resist(er)

  17. Ramming speed by Latent+Heat · · Score: 1

    As I said, Mr. Gassee visits the assembly line as a celebrity Model S purchaser, snarks about what he sees to his fellow celebrity Model S purchasers, and is treated as a social pariah.

    I suspect that Tesla may be overworking its employees to square the circle between what they are promising and what is possible. Am I eager to see them fail? Would I have been eager to see the Roman Empire fail, after all, those guys who couldn't keep up with the accelerated rowing tempo deserved to be whipped -- see https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    And skepticism about the enterprise makes me vested in seeing Tesla fail (a wrecker or saboteur or is it a moocher or looter in keeping with the Rand's anti-Socialism?).

    Battle speed, hortator!

    1. Re:Ramming speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You "suspect"? Well stop the presses! Who needs references, Latent Heat suspects something! "deserved to be whipped"... oh my, so dramatic, you're right, Tesla must be bastards!

      Yawn. Wake me up when you have something other than suspicion. One or two links to actual news articles might be a treat also.

      Battle speed, hortator!

      Woo, such fierce sarcasm! Well done you!