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Xbox One X is the Perfect Representation of the Tech Industry's Existential Crisis (mashable.com)

A reader shares commentary on the newly launched Xbox One X gaming console: Fundamentally, Xbox One X is the same machine that Microsoft released in 2013. It plays the same games, runs the same apps, depends on the same operating system. You can still plug your cable box into it and watch OneGuide magically sync with your local TV listings. Most of the things you can do look a little better and run a little faster/more efficiently, sure. The actual casing is smaller than the previous iterations, too. It's a gorgeous $500 machine. That's why I keep eyeballing it. My brain screams, "Why do you exist?" The Xbox One X does not answer. This is a familiar problem in 2017. Look around at all the tech in your life and do a quick, informal poll: How many of those items become outdated every year or every few years when a newer, shinier version of the same thing comes along? I'm talking about your iPhone and iPad. Your Amazon Echo and Kindle. Your Pixel and Daydream VR headset. Your Apple Watch. Your Roku, your Apple TV, your Chromecast. Incremental upgrades that push features like 4K! HDR! Wireless charging! Slimmer design! No headphone jack! (Wait, no, that last one is awful.) Breathless bullet point after breathless bullet point. Some of these additions have genuine utility and add value to the product. Many don't, or depend on you also possessing some other piece of incrementally upgraded tech (like the kinds of fancy-shmancy TVs that play the nicest with Xbox One X).

190 comments

  1. it exists because people will buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "a reader" is a smacktardigan

    1. Re:it exists because people will buy it by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Also, you don't have to buy it.
      Yes, I am getting a new iPhone, however my old iPhone is a few major numbers behind, the battery is dying and the cost and hassle of replacing it, vs getting a new shiny phone now with a few generations of new features makes it worth it. However I will not be getting the iPhone 11, 11s, and probably not the 12 or 12s or what ever names the decide to call it. Because while my personal buy strategy it to get the newest and best, I tend to keep it for a long time, so the next time i get the newest and best, I am once again treated to the luxury of having all the cool new features.

      Also by that time, I can decide if Apple is worth it, or not. The iPhone X just barely won out from the Note 8, just because I already had an iPhone... In 3 or 4 years I may switch to an other brand, as Apple may not spark my interest any more.

      However in a world of incremental upgrades, you just need to stop your instinct on getting the newest and best every time it goes out, because you are just getting a feature you can get by with means, you are perfectly fine with skipping a generation. But these incremental upgrades vs. Major releases also have the advantage for the non-fans who keep track of the market, means they can get new device now, and not panic that next year it would be unusable, because of lack of support.

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    2. Re:it exists because people will buy it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greatest irony of all. Microsoft's best selling product is based on Linux.

    3. Re:it exists because people will buy it by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      In 5-10 years Microsoft is going to be who people think of when they want or need Linux. We are already at the point where new systems can be built that are agnostic of the of the underlying OS using Microsoft frameworks and runtimes.

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    4. Re:it exists because people will buy it by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      This is true, I have to admit. The operating system you use to get your work done is becoming more and more irrelevant because really less and less work is being done by the operating system, not just because of portable frameworks. But you're right; both of those facts are going to mean Linux is just going to be... there. Windows isn't going away anytime soon but Windows 10 really is probably the end of the road for major product releases of the platform.

      Hell, I have a couple of VM's on my homelab that are running open source Windows apps on Ubuntu thanks to Mono... frameworks are more important than operating systems these days.

  2. 4k Gaming by Luthair · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now fuck off with your idiotic existential crisis.

    1. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, cause sitting 3 ft from your TV to tell the difference is revolutionary.

    2. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if we have a 120" 4K projection setup?

    3. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      55"? What am I, a peasant? Most people have a larger TV than that parked in their kitchen or spare bedroom.

    4. Re:4k Gaming by SB5407 · · Score: 1

      This is obvious to many people. Nonetheless, thank you for pointing it out. And contrary to the replies you're getting, I actually do sit 3-6 feet away from my TV when I play video games, so me and everyone else who does will see the difference.

    5. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then dont buy one

      idiot

    6. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      65" in my bathroom.

    7. Re:4k Gaming by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 0

      How do you sit 3-6 feet from your TV? Are you only 3 feet long?

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    8. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you like sitting across the room watching your 13" rabbit ear TV then do what you gotta do.

      most people buy a TV to fill their field of view, you know, as movies are intended to be seen.

    9. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Luthair, Slashdot's resident weebo. You don't need to sit so close to the TV to play your anime games.

    10. Re:4k Gaming by Luthair · · Score: 1

      3/4 of the population has better than 20/20 with a mix of normal eyesight and standard glasses. Recall that the purpose isn't to see individual pixels, can you see imperfections, screendoor etc at 1080p then you benefit from 4k.

    11. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mentioning a screen dimension never fails to bring the Joneses out the woodwork. Most people don't, they really don't.

    12. Re:4k Gaming by SB5407 · · Score: 2

      In a chair for the high top table I have. My entertainment center is thicker that my TV is deep, so that's six inches or so right there. Add 4.5 feet for legroom and the space the chair takes up. You're right. It's about five feet away.

    13. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These types of arguments are completely ignorant and devoid of truth. Subjective lack of perception.

      First of all let me say that after the HD revolution took higher resolutions away from us (remember always buying the newest monitor to get the highest resolution? 1600 x 1200 being no where near the highest? I remember what would be called 1440p now existing before HD came out? .. Try to find them in stores AFTER the 1080p craze. Everything is 720p, 1080p. that's it. Nothing more. Until 4k came out.

      The problem with 4k is that for some dumb ass reason they chose to make a crap ton of devices that are so small you can't actually USE THE SCREEN REAL ESTATE of 4k.

      But a 55" 4k? You can use it AT 4k resolution with 100% scaling in Windows (or actually native res in Mac OS X) you can actually make use of the screen real-estate without having to be super close to the monitor.

      In terms of gaming it's a godsend because it brings the higher resolutions back to gaming in a world that went psychotic after HD came out and stopped striving for resolutions above something that was LOWER than the maximum resolution available when it came out.

      from 800x600 to 1080x768. From 1080x768 to 1600x1200.. from 1600x1200 to 2xxx x1440 .. from 2xxx x 1440 to.....1920 x 1080. Wait what? Going backwards?? .. now with 4k it's great.

      Only caveat is that the PS4 Pro won't go lower than 4k, so for example.. No playing PS4 Pro games at 2k. The 4k TV I had would let you use a 2k resolution on it, which was great. I hope they don't "take that feature out" as a lot of tech seems to be doing these days.

    14. Re:4k Gaming by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Except it doesn't do it well, or with all titles. And with the small market share, it will likely not prompt publishers and developers into supporting enhancements specifically for that system. As with the PS4 Pro, specific major games are the only ones to get patches. Most developers will continue to focus on the majority of the market, which own the less powerful PS4, Xbox One, and newcomer Switch.

      Perhaps in an actual new generation where previous systems were cut off from support for new games, as with Xbox 360 to Xbox One, then all developers will raise their efforts from a visual standpoint, but as for now it is a very niche system.

    15. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the xbonx has approximately enough processing power to run 4k @ 15fps.

      The reason this shouldn't exist is that MS should have put a capable GPU in the original in 2013 instead of delaying for 2 re-releases first.

    16. Re:4k Gaming by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Sitting one distance from the TV is simple enough. Sitting 3 and 6 feet and all distances in between away from the TV at the same time is a trick that requires a mastery of time and space that humans do not posses.
       

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    17. Re:4k Gaming by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Huge difference between HDR and non-HDR color and contrast. Certainly noticeable from more than 3ft away on practically any size screen.

      There's really no reason for HDR to be tied to the 4K standard, but it is, so... If you want it (and a lot of people do), you need 4K-capable gear.

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    18. Re:4k Gaming by Luthair · · Score: 1

      How tall are you?

    19. Re:4k Gaming by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      80" in my attic

    20. Re:4k Gaming by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Not sure why you'd expect past games to get upgrades that weren't shipped with them... In the future though publishers are already working on higher res versions because of PCs so its mostly a matter of optimization.

    21. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      200" in my closet.

      Why do you guys have such tiny TVs?

    22. Re: 4k Gaming by NoZart · · Score: 1

      Rocking the wipeout collection in 4k 60 fps on my ps4 pro.
      Also, most* fullHD games now run in 60 fps on the pro. With a little supersampling thrown in for image quality.

      * Games that revceived a pro patch or are compatible with boost mode, which tries to do that automatically for games without pro support.

    23. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be a humanoid snail with long eyestalks?

    24. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is already a list of games getting updates from all major publishers which will have various levels of enhancement. So it already did prompt publishers to support the enhancements. They showed a bunch of those 3rd party games at this year's E3 event.

    25. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already several games out which will get enhanced once the X launches. There were lists shown at E3.

    26. Re:4k Gaming by sexconker · · Score: 3, Funny

      20" in my New York City apartment and New York City apartment hallway.

    27. Re:4k Gaming by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Whoosh.

      He was joking on the "3-6 feet" part. As in, you sit from 3 feet away to 6 feet away, at once.

    28. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you need such a small TV when you can use you 300" phone?

    29. Re:4k Gaming by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      And the xbonx has approximately enough processing power to run 4k @ 15fps.

      The reason this shouldn't exist is that MS should have put a capable GPU in the original in 2013 instead of delaying for 2 re-releases first.

      You should buy one then. Everyone should upgrade to the X.

      Hopefully that will lower the price of the XBox S systems enough that I can buy one on the cheap.

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    30. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Heard the same shit when it was 720p vs 1080p.

      You people have shit sight.

    31. Re:4k Gaming by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      2000" TV in my living room.

      Signed,
      Frank.

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    32. Re:4k Gaming by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      1080p, 23" widescreen computer monitor.

      No built-in tuner that will become outdated in a few years.
      No smart TV computer that will become outdated in a few months.
      No smart TV computer to get hacked by script kiddies, hackers, botnets, crypto-mining or three-letter agencies.

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    33. Re:4k Gaming by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I'm running very large screens to replace my monitor. This season a high quality name brand 40" 4K TV can be had that will easily replace your best monitor.

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    34. Re:4k Gaming by Stolovaya · · Score: 2

      You may want to get your eyes checked. Most people can tell the difference sitting more than 3 feet away.

    35. Re:4k Gaming by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      1024x768, not 1080x768. It seems even your memories of the past got infected by 1080p. ;-)

      And don't forget a lot of us here started at much lower resolutions than 800x600. For the PC,there was VGA 640x480, EGA 640x350, EGA 640x200, EGA 320x200, CGA 320x200 which looked like crap because of the horrible palettes or monochrome "720×350" (actual resolution 720×348) if you had Hercules graphics.

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    36. Re: 4k Gaming by Stolovaya · · Score: 1

      Not on the Xbox One or Xbox One S, but Xbox One X does do native 4K.

    37. Re:4k Gaming by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Who in their right mind wants that? Basically the only application for it is to impress "friends", because you have nothing else to offer.

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    38. Re:4k Gaming by Lucky_Strikez · · Score: 1

      Metal Gear Solid 5 runs at 2K on a 4K TV.

    39. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lemme guess, you have a pair of prescription glasses but never wear them?

    40. Re:4k Gaming by war4peace · · Score: 1

      10" in my pants.

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    41. Re:4k Gaming by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Tons of monitors with 2K resolution around. Sure, it's still 16:9 (2560x1440) compared to the classic 4:3 (2048x1536) but they do exist and not at all hard to find.
      So I don't know what you're talking about.

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    42. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      really?

      If i sit with my feet 3 feet away from the TV, my butt will be about 6ft away. Obviously you guys aren't the rocket scientists ;P

      Which is also almost exactly what I do...

    43. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winnar

    44. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until you try scrolling text and the afterimages turn the whole thing into an undecipherable blur.

    45. Re:4k Gaming by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Huge difference between HDR and non-HDR color and contrast. "

      The majority of monitors, let alone TVs, don't even support HDR. Hard to see the difference when the hardware isn't physically fucking capable of showing it.

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    46. Re:4k Gaming by Khyber · · Score: 0

      "So I don't know what you're talking about."

      You don't even know what you're talking about. 2K resolution is 2048x1080 - aka DCI 2K. 2560x1440 is WQHD. 1920x1080 is FHD.

      Much like you have no fucking clue that your mining gear was outdated the moment your ass bought it., hence the "replace every 4 months" comment you failed to understand in the other Shitcoin thread.

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    47. Re:4k Gaming by BronsCon · · Score: 0

      Oh, I think I covered that in my post... Let's assume, for a moment, that someone has a 4K display with HDR support, as I do. Might not, perhaps, that person want some HDR sources available in order to take advantage of it?

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    48. Re:4k Gaming by Khyber · · Score: 1

      While you may have HDR support, I'll bet unless you're using OLED, you simply could NOT display that with any degree of reliability.

      I've seen "HDR-ready" displays that simply cannot support it because of the physics involved in the physical panel. You know of any TN panels that do HDR to any reasonable degree? I know of ONE and lemme tell you its viewing angle is utter shit, so the second you go slightly off-center, so much for your HDR, and hello shit tons of chromatic abberation much like you're looking through a poor-quality lens.

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    49. Re:4k Gaming by BronsCon · · Score: 0

      So your point is, more or less, because every display can't do it, it's pointless? And why limit yourself to a TN panel? TN in general has shitty viewing angles, so uh... not surprised an HDR TN panel is shit. If you're worried about response times, IPS panels exist which are more than capable of 144Hz, but I implore you to show me a 4K source that hits even 120Hz; why not just go with IPS? Much easier to manage a wide color gamut and decent viewing angles that way.

      VA and IPS were developed precisely because TN has poor color reproduction and viewing angles. But, of course, you knew that.

      You just thought I didn't.

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    50. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this, ladies and gentlemen, demonstrates the principle by which the audio industry is able to sell $10000 cables when no audiophile is able to tell the difference between that and some coat hangers soldered together in a blind test.

    51. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, fuck you, get off my lawn with your 10 80 p whatthefuckever!

    52. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm talking about newer games. Not all new games will have enhancements because of the burden on the developer. Even on PCs games don't scale up and down without a lot of extra work on the developer's part.

    53. Re:4k Gaming by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Yes, and several new games coming out that have no enhancements at all. So not all new games will have enhancements.

    54. Re:4k Gaming by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Oooooh, a stalker! Nice to meet ya.
      And FYI I never bought a "mining gear". I just used my regular PC to mine as well.

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    55. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how much of the appeal of 4K is just because LCD gives screen door artifacts. Perhaps 1080p CRT would have worked just fine.

    56. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There actually are 40" and 43" desktop monitors. Cheaper than the really high end monitors and high end 21:9 "gaming" ones.

    57. Re:4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, they're incentivized. But the momentum will die out once the incentives do. The market share this system gets won't be enough to maintain publisher interest.

    58. Re: 4k Gaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but no one is going to see or watch it.

    59. Re:4k Gaming by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Stalker? No, your brand of stupidity is fairly non-unique and easily spotted.

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    60. Re:4k Gaming by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Ad Hominem too... it almost makes me want to marry your ass :)

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    61. Re:4k Gaming by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Aw, man, I remember playing Mean Streets, Life&Death and some Marvel side-scroller on a Hercules monochrome system running a TSR that emulated CGA graphics.

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  3. I am afraid I do not like where this is going by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    ... to the subscription model

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    1. Re:I am afraid I do not like where this is going by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They tried that in the past. You could rent a TV set from the electrical store (Rediffusion). They would handle all repairs, replacement, servicing and maintenance. Only problem, all that cost more than the TV itself. Even now, a Smart TV with all the guarantees will cost £800, while a smart TV which is a discontinued model with no support is half the price.

    2. Re:I am afraid I do not like where this is going by pots · · Score: 1

      There's a chance we might avoid this. We've already fallen into that pit with phones, and we seem to be slowly crawling our way out of it. Games consoles would fit that model perfectly, except ... no, I can't come up with anything. They would fit that model perfectly. Why hasn't this happened?

  4. I've still got a 36" CRT in my living room. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    With my Mac Pro Kodi system plugged into it. I would say the Diamatron has certainly held up for for a few itterations. I am however considering upgrading soon despite the thing working perfectly.

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    1. Re:I've still got a 36" CRT in my living room. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't blame you for not wanting to move it...my 36" sony 720p HDTV from early 2000s was a beast to move.

      I do still have a 32" CRT, though, in a special place in my residence...my retro gaming room.

      Oh yeah, 4k rocks...but I prefer to cut my eyes on sharp edges. Gaming is where 4k matters the most, since lines are super clean. 4K for movies is nice (thanks to the addition of HDR) but doesn't gain nearly as much an advantage as 4k for gaming.

    2. Re:I've still got a 36" CRT in my living room. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

      I've got a 1080i CRT in the bedroom. I got a grey-market HDMI to Component converter for it, works great. When I upgrade I plan on going straight to OLED 4K. I'm still annoyed static field array flat CRTs were killed by patent issues.

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  5. msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone has an iq of 80 and buys something because "oooh shiny!". Some of us had parents who taught us better than to define ourselves by our possessions.

    We're mostly not Americans tho... so you're probably bang-on with your target audience of Millennial Ameritards.

  6. Get a Mac Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Get a new Mac Pro. It won't get replaced by a new Mac Pro for like half a decade.

    1. Re:Get a Mac Pro by thechemic · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      LMAO!!!

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    2. Re:Get a Mac Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, same timeframe to upgrade, but a much more significant upgrade with the Mac Pro. Apple takes a ton of shit over this. Are you saying MS fanbois should be up in arms at MS for being worse than Apple now? I agree, fuck 'em both.

  7. Brain-eating zombies by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Since the brain-eating zombies euphemistically known as so-called "smart" so-called "telephones" (presumably because "treacherous handheld spy-computer" would be too scary) have devoured the entire population, nobody buys anything else anymore.

  8. How old are you? by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

    Should we get off your lawn, too?

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    1. Re:How old are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he is so young he hasn't discovered gaming yet, or thinks it as something only done using a phone. We should all get on his lawn.

    2. Re: How old are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 y/o here, anyone that buys the Xbox One X to replace their Xbox One is a dipshit :)

      Xbox is the garbage platform compared to PS4 and Switch anyway so you might as well drop the "to replace" qualifier as well

  9. New and improved! by tomhath · · Score: 1

    That's the oldest marketing fluff there is. Why does it surprise anyone?

  10. forgotten? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why has not the video frame rates improves beyond the nauseating 30 fps? This speed made sense many years ago, but today, with the storage devices, and network speeds there is no excuse for the HIGHLY VISIBLE FUCKING MOTION BLUUUUUR..

    1. Re:forgotten? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.windowscentral.com/all-xbox-one-x-enhanced-games

      You'll see games in this list capable of running at 60FPS. It took all of 5 seconds to google this. It sucks to be retarded, huh?

  11. Moores Law by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Moores Law is dead. It has been dead for sometime. People are finally noticing. The tech industry knows it too, and are trying to push out useless features to cover the fact that digital computing and electronics has hit a real dead end. All those things people wish for (AI, good VR, etc) aren't going to happen. The computer you have a decade from now will be very similar to the one you have right now. Sorry about that!

    1. Re:Moores Law by Distortions · · Score: 2

      Yeah, it's very slowly happening.

      I'm fairly picky about desktop performance, but my processor is a 6-year-old 2600k.
      Eventually, I might go for the new 8700k when you can actually get the things.

      More cores is great, if you regularly use software that benefits from it, but most doesn't benefit that much.
      At least high core count processors are finally getting better clock speeds, and single-thread performance.

      But, yeah... In six (almost seven) years I've upgraded SSD sizes once, replaced some dead RAID drives and upgraded GPUs twice.

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    2. Re:Moores Law by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      Moore's Law is just fine (if perhaps slowing slightly) in that hardware performance continues to grow in leaps and bounds. It's one of the reasons that AI and applications like Self Driving vehicles have been making such progress in recent years. The challenge is that it is diminishing returns for most general purpose computing needs (email, browser, spreadsheets, etc.). There is not much to be gained from and end user perspective by throwing twice the processing power at rendering a web page. My 7 year old desktop is still good enough to most of my day to day needs, even though a new machine would run circles around it from a pure benchmarking perspective

    3. Re:Moores Law by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I disagree. While per-core computing power has hot an end (and multi-cores are hard to use for most things), this end is in no way, shape or form "dead".

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    4. Re:Moores Law by be951 · · Score: 1

      All those things people wish for (AI, good VR, etc) aren't going to happen.

      I wouldn't go that far. Just because computing power, or transistor density to be more specific, is no longer doubling every 24 months does not mean progress has stopped, or will soon. It just means things don't get better and cheaper as fast as they have in recent decades. The other side of the coin that makes it seem like we're at a dead end is that processing power is finally good enough in the last several years that the current software doesn't just suck up all the resources as soon as they're available. In other words, it's not that new machines are not significantly more powerful than the ones from 5, 6, 7 years ago. It's that the power of the older machines is good enough that for many uses, the extra power is not all that noticeable.

    5. Re:Moores Law by thomst · · Score: 1

      110010001000 opined:

      Moores Law is dead. It has been dead for sometime. People are finally noticing. The tech industry knows it too, and are trying to push out useless features to cover the fact that digital computing and electronics has hit a real dead end. All those things people wish for (AI, good VR, etc) aren't going to happen. The computer you have a decade from now will be very similar to the one you have right now. Sorry about that!

      It isn't dead yet - but, barring a major breakthrough in quantum-scale engineering, the end is certainly in sight.

      Purely physical traces can only get so tiny before electrons can no longer reliably traverse them, due to quantum tunneling effects. More importantly, when you're manufacturing ICs on the nano scale, the smaller the traces, the larger the reject rate - and, consequently, the greater the manufacturing expense. It does little good to be capable of manufacturing 3nm circuits, if you have to discard so many of them that the cost per unit at retail is prohibitively high for consumer products.

      But you're wrong about that preventing significant advances in AI or VR or any other major computer technology, because those expenses don't matter to government customers, such as the NSA. Nor, within limits, do they particularly matter to giant tech companies, such as Alphabet or Facebook, who will use them not for consumer products but for internal applications. Google, for instance, makes its own, custom CPUs, as does Facebook. Both companies are already AI-dependent, and it's safe to predict that that's only going to become more the case, rather than less.

      We don't notice the effect of Moore's Law as much these days because desktop and laptop computers are already fast and powerful enough to run consumer software quite easily - the moreso when you factor in SSDs, which drastically reduce the amount of time we have to spend waiting for programs to load. The biggest present-day impact of ML is on smartphones, which get snappier and more responsive with every succeeding generation. I expect that trend to continue for another decade, at least.

      (FWIW - I've referred to "Moore's Law" as "Moore's Observed Trend" for the past quarter century, because there's nothing binding - and certainly nothing absolute - about it. MOT is driven purely by economics, not physics, and it's going to have a hard time continuing past the 3nm barrier, regardless ... )

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    6. Re: Moores Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >All those things people wish for (AI, good VR, etc) aren't going to happen.

      What the fuck are you talking about, you moron? What we're hitting the end of is doubling the IPC of individual classical CPU cores, but everything on your list is GPU powered and massively parallel. We are a LOOOONG way from hitting the end of GPU optimizations and manufacturing tech, since you can always just tack on more cores, heat/bandwith permitting... Deep learning and VR are also a LONG way from being fully optimized in software...

  12. 4k UHD blu ray player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It plays 4k blu rays. Standalone players are still expensive, and you might as well get a device that can do a lot more. Also, the newest iteration of the PlayStation doesn't play 4k blu rays. I'm sure some trolling assholes will ridicule having physical media or wanting the highest quality version of a movie one can obtain but they can go fuck themselves.

    This is also a very whiny submission. You've discovered your life is a lie. Great, you're "woke," good for you. I don't care to be part of your existential journey.

    1. Re:4k UHD blu ray player by sexconker · · Score: 2

      The fact that the PS4 doesn't play UHD BluRays is why I don't own a PS4 (in any form) yet.
      It was a mind boggling mistake, in my opinion.

      I'm hoping BR players with dual outputs come down in price soon. I don't want another box to hook up, but I want that 4K BluRay goodness. (No, Netflix and other streaming services don't come close to it in quality.) The dual outputs are necessary because I want lossless 7.1 and my receiver is too old to pass through 4K. (I won't be upgrading the receiver until things settle down a bit more.)

    2. Re:4k UHD blu ray player by Megane · · Score: 1

      Not that I care (the Wii was the most recent console I bought, and my eyes are no longer 4K compliant), but I would like to point out that this is the same Sony who pushed the PS3 as a premiere Blu-Ray player, and (to a lesser extent) the PS2 as a DVD player.

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    3. Re:4k UHD blu ray player by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yes, which is exactly why it makes no fucking sense that the PS4 Pro doesn't play UHD BluRays. For the PS4 it makes sense since the UHD BR spec wasn't finalized yet. They were also more concerned about keeping costs down than they were for the PS3. But by the time the PS4 was being worked on, it was clear that the PS4 had beaten the shit out of the Xbox One in terms of sales. So instead of taking advantage of their lead to make a better system and push UHD BluRays, they sat on their ass. The Xbox One S and the Xbox One X both play UHD BluRays. I'm assuming the PS5 or whatever they call their next shit will do it, but we likely won't hear shit about that until next year.

  13. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't actually own any of the products he mentioned. Just because he can't stop buying shit he doesn't need doesn't make that my problem.
    Dude is talking about himself and projecting that on the rest of us.

  14. One of the dumbest slashdot posts I've seen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't have a "fancy schmancy" TV then of course you don't need the xbox one x. Who wrote this crap? That's like saying dvd players are no improvement over VCR's unless you have an HD TV.

  15. Pfft by fisted · · Score: 1

    I'm talking about your iPhone

    Don't have

    and iPad.

    Don't have

    Your Amazon Echo

    Don't have

    and Kindle.

    Don't have

    Your Pixel

    Don't have

    and Daydream VR headset.

    Don't have

    Your Apple Watch.

    Don't have

    Your Roku,

    Don't have

    your Apple TV,

    Don't have

    your Chromecast.

    Don't have

    Incremental upgrades that push features like 4K!

    I'd love incremental OTA hardware upgrades

    HDR!

    Don't use

    Wireless charging!

    Don't do

    Slimmer design!

    Don't care

    No headphone jack!

    Have

    I guess I'm doing *something* right \o/
    Plot twist: I'm a Millenial.

    Disregard below

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    1. Re:Pfft by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      This is why slashdot has become irrelevant to me. I have/use none of those either. Technology/geeky ideas has slowly morphed to company product placement.

    2. Re:Pfft by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Yeah. "How do you buy everything all the time?" You don't. I've got 3 of the above items, but only one is newish (Roku is 5 or 6, Kindle is 3, phone is 1.5 and was given to me free by the office). I'll just use it until it actually breaks, or tech has changed so much that it's completely nonfunctional. My 9-year-old PS3 has been getting cranky over the past year, and after considering upgrading to a PS4, I decided I was fine with just getting another PS3 to replace it.

    3. Re:Pfft by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      What did you expect to happen? Computers are insanely useful and have become ubiquitous. I'm sure there are people who long for the days when you had to crank start cars and basically needed to be your own mechanic on top of that because only small numbers of each model were built and not always with standardized parts. Now it's just been ruined with mass market automobiles that have been made simple enough for almost anyone to use. And the experience has gone to shit as well since they made paved roads to drive on instead of letting everyone forge their own path.

    4. Re:Pfft by sehryan · · Score: 1

      If you look up, you might just be able to see the point of the article flying over your head.

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    5. Re:Pfft by fisted · · Score: 1

      If you look up,

      Don't do

      you might just be able to see

      Don't see

      the point of the article

      Don't read

      flying over your head.

      Don't head

  16. It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by jeff4747 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't have to buy every new generation of every product.

    For example, I've got an iPhone because I got in the walled garden before there were other good options. I don't buy a new iPhone every time a new one comes out. In fact, I usually wait 2 to 3-ish full generations to upgrade. By that time the upgrade has enough improvements for it to be worth it for me.

    But Apple has no reason to follow my personal upgrade schedule and only release new versions when I am ready to upgrade. For one thing, there's probably plenty of other people who follow a similar plan but are one generation ahead or behind me. For another, there is a pool of idiots who want the latest because it is the latest.

    For the XBox One X, there's going to be a lot of people who did not buy an XBox One for whatever reason, and are upgrading now. There's also a set of people who want 4k resolution. But it's not like the XBox One was suddenly rendered inadequate for the vast majority of people merely due to the existence of a more advanced version.

    Don't see the point of an XBox One X? Then don't buy one. That applies to every product on the market, no matter how long the feature list is.

    1. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by TooManyNames · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Pretty sure people not buying stuff was the point of the article: if people aren't buying your stuff (because you don't offer anything compelling) you, as a business, will cease to exist. Hence, the "Tech Industry's Existential Crisis".

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    2. Re: It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly donâ(TM)t know anyone who upgrades anything every year. I usually keep TVs around 10 years before they get shuffled off as spares in other rooms... tablets around 5, laptops 5-7, phones 2-3, and so on. My desktop is still running a 2500k just fine, but I am considering upgrading in 2018.

      Phones are maybe the only thing I know of a few people who upgrade yearly.

      Nobody expects everyone to upgrade every year. But what all these holier than thou commenters are forgetting is not everyone is on the same upgrade cycle. I may have bought my phone last year, but my friend bought theirs 3 years ago and is ready to upgrade.

      And yet these are the same people that if companies waited 3-5 years to put out new hardware they would be complaining about that too.

    3. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Two or three generations? That's like three years dude. You think that's a long time, don't you.

      Meh.

      Let's look at technology's past.

      The telephone. {1878 - 2018 (148 years)}
      As long as there are POTS lines practically any analog phone will work on any line. As a matter of fact, with extremely trivial changes you can make ANY analog phone work on a POTS line.

      AM Radio {1900s - present (117 years)}
      Want to travel back to the 1920s in a Delorean? Make sure you still have your AM radio. It will work perfectly and will keep working just fine. Have an AM radio from 1911? 1922? 1937? If it works (and it probably does) plug it in and you can listen in to modern broadcasts.

      Clockworks. Watermills. Steam engines. Windmills! All this tech just keeps running and running.

      The OP wasn't trying say WE are at fault for buying the tech, the point is that the companies that make the tech are at fault with making it in the first place.

    4. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      For the XBox One X, there's going to be a lot of people who did not buy an XBox One for whatever reason, and are upgrading now.

      One reason would be MS had a terrible reveal and it turned off a lot of loyal gamers. Always-on broadband requirement, severely restricted used games, higher price, an included and sometimes not wanted Kinect module, etc. Eventually MS reversed many of those decisions but many people had moved on.

      But it's not like the XBox One was suddenly rendered inadequate for the vast majority of people merely due to the existence of a more advanced version

      In the early years, hardcore gamers had to admit that the Xbox One wasn't as powerful as the PS4 having to play some of the same titles at lower resolution than PS4 counterparts. Now with newer versions, they are finally on par with PS4 variants. The new Xboxes are offering Ultra-HD Bluray and are cheaper than new PS4s. I feel that one reason PS3 had an edge against their competitors was that they offered Bluray. At the time, the PS3 was the cheapest Bluray player you could buy (and you could play games).

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    5. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Only if the business assumes every previous customer will upgrade to every new version.

      I've yet to see a business actually make that assumption.

    6. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happens all the time. You don't have to look far for examples even. Most of Microsoft's miscalculations around the launch of the Xbone were directly attributable to their assumption that everyone who bought the 360 would buy the next MS console as well.

    7. Re:It's only a crisis if you're dumb enough by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure people not buying stuff was the point of the article:

      Pretty sure the point of the article was "Shit! I've got to write up some words to post online to fill the space between my ads by my deadline. They better be either flat out wrong or devisive so the site can get some good traffic."

  17. Re:msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Give these people more money and they'll rebuild their house every year because newer wood is available. Everything must be the latest!

  18. Easy solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look around at all the tech in your life and do a quick, informal poll: How many of those items become outdated every year or every few years when a newer, shinier version of the same thing comes along? I'm talking about your iPhone and iPad. Your Amazon Echo and Kindle. Your Pixel and Daydream VR headset. Your Apple Watch. Your Roku, your Apple TV, your Chromecast.

    My 5 year old desktop PC plays better games from a larger selection than the XBone, and lets me use DRM-free stores. As for the others:

    iPhone and iPad

    Don't have either. Couldn't "own" them even if purchased.

    Your Amazon Echo and Kindle

    Don't have either. Mostly dumb.

    Your Pixel and Daydream VR headset.

    Don't have either. No point.

    Your Apple Watch.

    Don't own. No point.

    Your Roku, your Apple TV, your Chromecast.

    Don't own any. Repurposed circa 2010 PC hardware in a shinier case does the HTPC job better.

    There's a common solution for all this. Don't buy the shiny just because shiny.

  19. Problem with all of tech ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    This is widespread in the industry.

    The greedy douchebags and morons who run tech companies somehow think they're going to grow 10% a year forever (utterly impossible), that every year we're going to replace all of our devices (not gonna happen), that a tiny incremental improvement is supposed to be momentous and compelling (not true), and (in this case) re-releasing the same product in a new package absolves them from creating new products.

    The problem is, all of the above is false. I still use my circa 2013 Android Nexus tablet, my XBox 360 works just fine and doesn't require an internet connection and doesn't require that I buy all new games, and I'm afraid to admit just how old my personal cell phone is. My latest tech purchases are a 27" monitor for my home office and a USB charging tower to keep all of my stuff charged (and I got that at TJ Maxx).

    I'm not buying a new home theater because companies want to sell me 4K gear that I don't care about. I'm not buying the latest and greatest phone when the one I have suits my purposes, and I have no interest whatsoever in being on a constant upgrade treadmill to keep up corporate profits.

    My tech budget is more likely to go on replacing my older iPod, updating my desktop computer (yes, some of us still use those), buying another machine as a Linux box, or getting my PC to display on my big screen from 40 feet away. You know, tweak what I have, but not buy new shiny things because companies want me to.

    They had some good years, but most people I know are reaching "peak tech" ... we have enough to meet our needs, other things to spend our money on, and simply don't find yet another iteration of the same thing a compelling reason to spend the money.

    Companies are in for a serious pinch if people start realizing they have most of what they need and see little benefit in buying new stuff. Because these days, the business model is based on the impossible notion they'll keep growing forever, and consumers will buy one of everything every year.

    No sane person should be surprised that consumers no longer see the need to buy this stuff.

  20. Incremental improvements = existential crisis? by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Nearly no other household item I have goes obsolete before it wears out. I'm not going to get significantly faster to work with a new car. Even my TV is 6+ years old and I'd only get +5" and incremental picture improvements for buying a new one at roughly the same price. This is the normal state of mature technology.

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  21. XBox 360 by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    My XBox 360 still works. The kids still have fun with it. News to me that it is obsolete. I generally consider something obsolete when it doesn't work any more.

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  22. It's got a target market... by dbialac · · Score: 1

    Those who want an Xbox that looks like a PlayStation 2.

  23. Re:msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by EndlessNameless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    you're probably bang-on with your target audience of Millennial Ameritards.

    Stop being a Boomer twat. (Normally I wouldn't be so blunt, but if you're going to start with generational ageism then I'm sure you can cope.)

    Conspicuous consumption has a long history and is not limited to the Millennial generation. There are entire classes of vehicles that exist primarily to serve as status symbols, and those cost considerably more to produce or purchase. Arguably, the same is true of houses... and let's not forget the yachts.

    So before you blame this waste on the new generation, maybe look to see if their parent generation did the same thing. Of course they did.

    So, by all means, stop pointing to a young generation as the harbinger of civilization's end when their behavior is nothing more than a new tune on an old harp.

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  24. So, we will list a bunch of products.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... but forget to list the MAIN COMPETITION to the Xbox One X: the PS4 Pro.

    Lets just forget that Sony did this with the PS4 Pro and it bombed.

  25. Alternatively: WHHHY DON'T THEY UPDATE? by enjar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So this new Xbox has updated graphics, updates on RAM, processor, GPU. But it also will play all XBox One games (aka "full backwards compatability"). If Microsoft hadn't done this, people would have been whining about the XBox being "out of date" and "old" and "not powerful enough". So they update it, don't dick over people who bought XBox one games, and it's an "existential crisis"? I have an Xbox One, it's a fine machine. Whenever my 360 dies (which is mostly a video streaming machine at this point), I'll replace it with whatever's on the market.

    1. Re:Alternatively: WHHHY DON'T THEY UPDATE? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't people just buy some fucking ram online and stick it in the old console?
      I do this all the time with my PC. Or at least I could.

    2. Re:Alternatively: WHHHY DON'T THEY UPDATE? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      "out of date" and "old" and "not powerful enough".

      Given there's no games that run on the new one that don't run on the old one, given the same complaints aren't leveraged against Nintendo and quite the opposite: a lot of people are complaining that the graphics don't make a game better, and given that all they've achieved now is fractured their generation removing one of the more compelling reasons to own a console, I couldn't disagree with your post more.

      hmmm that was a long sentence.

    3. Re:Alternatively: WHHHY DON'T THEY UPDATE? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Using an Xbox 360 to stream Netflix is a waste of electricity. Get yourself a dedicated streaming box from Apple, Roku or Amazon.

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    4. Re: Alternatively: WHHHY DON'T THEY UPDATE? by enjar · · Score: 1

      Why replace something that works? My power rates are pretty low, the 360 plays dvds, my kids probably waste more electric

  26. Unibomber may have been correct? by millertym · · Score: 1

    Technology is destroying us as a race? This opinion piece just reminds of the ridiculousness of it all from the "what exactly do you do here"? question asked of your life.

    1. Re:Unibomber may have been correct? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, what exactly do you do here?

      Is there any reason I, or anyone else, needs you around?

    2. Re:Unibomber may have been correct? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the Unabomber being correct it was the collective intelligentsia that produced him, and the many others with the same thoughts, after witnessing people getting annihilated by nuclear weapons. The reality and the thoughts of many, concentrated on paper by TK, have become more and more apparent moving from deep abstract concepts to something that can be clearly illustrated in modern society over the past few generations. Thankfully there is still a discourse and unfortunately people are still getting murdered because intelligent people are choosing to check out as a part of that discourse.

      Like the guy who shot all those people from a hotel window at the country music concert; Is the media going to tell us why he did it if it falls in line with the Unabomber's thinking? No. "He just went crazy. No details at 11."

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  27. Re:msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Argument Fail.

    The things you mentioned are not replaced every year, but cherished, maintained, and often, passed down.

  28. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, in response to an article about pointless cosmetic upgrading that doesn't address new needs with new technology ... you're lamenting the fact that you haven't needed to upgrade at all?

    How much faster do applications like Excel need to run?

    It's not a failure of technology that your 6-year-old CPU still meets your needs. In ye olden days, we upgraded from a 386 to a 486 to a Pentium because they ran the applications we used far, far better.

    My desktop and laptop don't need to run single-threaded applications any faster. If they bloat with eye candy and devour more CPU, that's not really progress.

    1. Re:Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is one of the main reasons I bailed from the tech industry ten years ago. People working in industry hit that wall decade before consumers.

  29. Hmm. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Fundamentally, Xbox One X is the same machine that Microsoft released in 2013.

    and then...

    I'm talking about your iPhone and iPad. Your Amazon Echo and Kindle. Your Pixel and Daydream VR headset. Your Apple Watch. Your Roku, your Apple TV, your Chromecast.

    I notice that no mention is made of Sony and the Playstation 4 Plus Pro Ultimate (or whatever they call it). Isn't it exactly the same story as the Xbox One X? So why would he exclude this best comparison?

    Kaz Hirai, is that you?

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    1. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off

    2. Re:Hmm. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Fuck off

      I'm sensing some hostility here.

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  30. Roku? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weird, I bought my Roku a few years ago, and I haven't once thought, "I should replace that with the newer model."

    It just sits there, being great at what it does (feeding the TV Netflix, YouTube, PBS Kids, etc.) and otherwise being out of the way.

    1. Re:Roku? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      I've had my Roku for 5 or 6 years, and hadn't thought anything about upgrading until a couple of weeks ago, when my phone company gave me a free option to stream HBO through their streaming app, which supposedly will work with Roku, but not one that old. I haven't decided yet if I'll actually bother.

      My model reboots itself mid-use maybe once a week or so, but it's been doing that since we got it, and it otherwise works solidly.

  31. updating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the sad part is they design the items to be non-repairable by owners.I had a galaxy s3 for few years,it started to have problems, so I upgraded to S7.on my S3 I only used 25% of its features,on my S7 only 10%,my next upgrade might be a S11 or S12. I will most likely only use 5%.

  32. Because games are about telling stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Storytelling does not get better with this investment. It brings nothing new in terms of telling better stories or telling same stories better.

    Realistic graphics is not storytelling. Otherwise books would absolutely suck because they don't have graphics at all.

    1. Re:Because games are about telling stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important."

      - John Carmack

    2. Re:Because games are about telling stories by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      What was the story of PacMan, one of the most,if not the most, popular games in history?

      Highest grossing games

    3. Re:Because games are about telling stories by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      A drug addict who keeps on taking pills and is being chased by the ghosts of his friends who died of an overdose by drugs he sold to them? What about it?

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  33. Typical Product Life Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sort of thing has has little to do with the consumer. It's a thing called "product life cycle".

    Early hardware is costly to manufacturer, but is relatively scarce, so consumers are willing to pay more, so that's how they move their early units.

    Then, the manufacturer redesigns the product to reduce their cost which allows them to bring down the MSRP and move more units.

    Finally, at the tail of the curve, subsequent redesigns continue to bring down their costs with the objective of maximizing their profit margin before demand completely disappears.

  34. Re:msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Late Gen/X and the majority of things that I purchase are durable goods and come from craigslist and ebay. I have no doubt that my stand mixer will someday be used by my grandchildren. Ultracheap modern junk is not so cheap in the long run when it ends up in a landfill every two years with the disposable cell phone.

  35. So, it's not for existing Xbox One owners by iamacat · · Score: 1

    If you already have a current generation console, there is no reason for you to upgrade. At some point someone will buy a new console. This extra polish will convince them to choose Xbox over Playstation/Nintendo/PC/waiting some more time.

    1. Re:So, it's not for existing Xbox One owners by bigdady92 · · Score: 1

      I"m disagreeing with you on this one.

        As an owner of MS and Sony consoles the new XBOX is a monumental leap in quality, display, and functionality from the current generation. More power, better graphics, and getting rid of that bloody power brick hanging out the back and removing the ridiculous Kinect are all features that I want. 4K gaming to have betterer graphics "forcing" me to get a 4K HDR OLED TV (MERRY CHRISTMAS!) so I can view everything I want in crisp, clean, detail and play those same games with betterer graphics with my friends who are on Xbox Live.

      Is this console for PC Gaming Master Race? No. Is this console for Grognards who are using Green Screen scripting COBOL code? No. Is this console for those of you that don't have any input better RGBYW 5 cable input on the back of their CRT/Projection TV? No. This is a console that is going to get 4K shoved into the home for good and push the envelope for Sony to put out the next iteration of the Playstation.

      I say Good. Let Sony vs. MS compete on specs every 2-3 years and let me pass down the last generation to someone else who needs it as it'll play the same family of games but not as good.

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  36. Totally agree by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I have the original Apple Watch. I didn't upgrade to version 2, and probably will not for 3...

    My wife still uses daily an iPad2, which works fine and has no issues - along with my 17" MacBook Pro, which she inherited after three years of use when I moved to a newer MacBook Pro in 2013, which I also have no plans to upgrade soon...

    You don't have to upgrade anything, only upgrade when something is compelling. I used to not upgrade phones every year either but have been lately because I find camera and speed improvements compelling enough to do so, otherwise I wouldn't have upgraded that either.

    This philosophy extends outside of electronics - I've had my fridge and washer/dryer forever. I've also had my car for over six years now. Just think carefully about when upgrades will really be useful for you and not just a complication.

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  37. But it's "backwards compatible" by davros74 · · Score: 2

    The point of the X1X is 4K and HDR. While to some people that is not a big deal (especially if you do not have a 4K/HDR TV), it is nevertheless a technological jump from 1080p, just like the jump from 480i 4:3 to 720p 16:9 when the 360 came out.

    But why does the X1X seem like less of a deal then the 360 was? Because lots of stuff are NOT changing. It's the same cpu (but faster). It's the same UI interface. It runs the same games, has mostly the same features (the One S can play 4k BluRay too). Know what? That's GOOD. Because last time we had a technological jump (720p 16:9), the 360 was all new, and that meant everything from the original Xbox was completely obsolete. No game compatibility, accessories, controllers, keypads, headsets, etc. Nada. Same issue with 360 to Xbox One (until some amount of backwards compatibility came along, but no hardware compatibility).

    So for me, this is a big deal for consoles: adopting newer technology (4K/HDR) without making every previous console purchase (controllers, steering wheels, HDDs, cables, and most notably, GAMES) completely obsolete. I think the "dump everything you had and start over" paradigm for consoles is finally dead, and I for one welcome that shift to a "better experience" with the newer hardware, but able to keep older stuff. (And dropping older platforms only when they get 2-3 updates behind, so people have to upgrade maybe once every ten years, not every 3). And for those who do not want to upgrade, they can still play newer games but with "less fluff/detail", and not be forced into upgrading to be able to play at all.

    1. Re:But it's "backwards compatible" by nephilimsd · · Score: 1

      Are we not calling the XBox One X the XBOX? They went a full 360 with that one.

    2. Re:But it's "backwards compatible" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe in keeping with the xbone name, that makes this the xbonx (pronounced x-bonks).

    3. Re:But it's "backwards compatible" by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Xbox One Two

    4. Re:But it's "backwards compatible" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If I wanted to have to read the fine print on a box and look at minimum system specifications I would just play on a computer. What's the point of a console if they aren't all equal within the compatible generation?

  38. Oh FFS by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

    It's $500 - just buy the damn thing and enjoy it.

    1. Re:Oh FFS by bigdady92 · · Score: 1

      You forgot most of the grognards on here are barely scraping by on retirement checks they got when they were installing punch card machines. They can't be bothered to spend $500 on shiney things that won't interface with their Green Screen mainframe AS/400 terminal.

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    2. Re:Oh FFS by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      You know us so well.

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  39. Rationality, that bi*ch by Elixon · · Score: 1

    Well you are being too rational. Look at the other side (I mean the rest of normal people - not techies like you).

    Don't you see it? If you want to understand the customers and why people are buying things that should not exist (thus justifying their production) you need to loose at least half of your brain - that half that asks questions.

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  40. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows is based on Linux? Da fuq?

  41. Re: msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by Type44Q · · Score: 1

    +1

  42. Can it run Linux? by najajomo · · Score: 1

    Can it run Linux or SteamOS ..

  43. Movie theater screen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...in my walk in freezer.

  44. New iPhone 8 and 8 plus, iPhone X by gassann · · Score: 1

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  45. Saw one tree and failed to notice the forest by macraig · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The author is just now noticing that the industrialized world has a problem with corporate exploitation of mass production for their own selfish benefit? It not only funnels undeserved profit into their pockets, it also costs society hundreds of billions of dollars in wasted productivity that should have been used for something constructive. We don't need our vehicles to be redesigned every year, yet they are. We don't need new varieties of underarm deodorant every six months, yet we have them. We don't need "new" but-no-better-than-last-year toothbrushes, yet indeed we still have them. Want to buy another of the same toothbrush that worked perfectly well? Sorry, buddy, we "retired" that one for a new design that cuts a few corners and gives us better profit margin. The list goes on, and permeates EVERY corner of our lives. What could have been accomplished for society if all that human effort had been focused on something truly beneficial for society? The promise of mass production was the ability to cheaply replicate items, but when those items are replaced so quickly with new ones the savings to society are lost, and worse yet the profits from this wasteful process keep flowing into the pockets of those abusing it.

    This author saw one tree and failed to notice the forest. This problem is much MUCH more pervasive than he comprehends. The problem isn't just with abuse of technology: the problem is abuse of mass production of every sort.

    1. Re:Saw one tree and failed to notice the forest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is such a wierd post to me. "expoloitation of mass production for their own selfish benefit"? Doesn't make sense, of course corporations are going to find the most efficient way to produce things. "funnels undeserved profit into their pockets" - why is it undeserved? No-one is forcing you to buy an xbox one or an iphone x? You're free to do whatever you want with your money including funnel it into their pockets. "we don't need our vehicles to be redesigned" - but if a company doesn't continually innovate and improve they will fall behind the state of the art and thus soon not be able to produce *any* vehicles. None of the content of your post makes any sense at all to me.

    2. Re:Saw one tree and failed to notice the forest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporation is not a person. It does not do anything. The people hiding behind corporations and other organizations are the one who do. Shifting focus from the selfish people behind the to the facade is an attempt to keep the people hidden.

      And yes, every one who has stock of large companies is selfish. The responsibility does not divide to insignificantly small pieces no matter how hard people try to play with their cute little 'shared ownership' concepts

    3. Re:Saw one tree and failed to notice the forest by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't just with abuse of technology: the problem is abuse of capitalism of every sort.

      FTFY.

  46. Nothing to see here by be951 · · Score: 2

    Tech keeps advancing, and tech companies keep putting out new and (sometimes) improved products.

    There are some people -- call them aficionados, technophiles, early adopters, hardcore gamers, audio nerds, fanboys, [fill in the blank] -- who will always buy the latest and greatest offering in a given market segment. And there will also be people (generally, a much larger proportion compared to the gotta-have-the-latest types) who wait for the second or third generation when many of the early kinks have been worked out and the price has dropped. And then they hold onto the thing for several years/product cycles before upgrading.

    With respect to the new Xbox, the more incremental update is just a sign that gaming consoles are getting to be more mature tech . Nothing really new in that regard. That's how technology products often progress. As for tech in general, we perhaps have more things or at least more choices now, so maybe it feels like there is more to keep up with. But there is really no obligation to have one of everything, nevermind having the latest of everything.

    1. Re:Nothing to see here by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      who will always buy the latest and greatest offering in a given market segment

      And this kind of fracture market segment was precisely what the console was immune to up until this point.

  47. Does it still do what you want? by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    I jumped off that band wagon a while ago, and the amount of money I've saved has been miraculous. Not that I was ever obsessed with the latest shiny as some people are, mind you, but it's amazing how transitioning through later stages of your life really puts things in perspective.

    Now, when a new technology comes out I take a good hard look at it and ask, "How does this new thing help me that my previous stuff couldn't?" and "Does do those improvements justifying spending the X amount of dollars on it, that could otherwise be spent on other things, like a mortgage payment, etc?"

    It's shocking how much those two questions have curbed my spending. It also opened my eyes to... well... just how *shit* the technology industry has become. It's all so much crap. Frivolous nonsense that provide nothing of genuine value compared to what existed before.

    That goes not just for consumer goods, but for pretty much *everything*, including servers, operating systems, programming languages, frameworks, etc.

    And then the sadness kicks in because I realize the overwhleming majority of other people *don't* see these things, so the slow moving trainwreck of technology happily marches on. New javascript frameworks coming out on a weekly basis, IOT crap that somehow manage to leak more information than they collect, Google and their push to allow websites to access bluetooth devices directly, Apple with the steady march to making computers into very expensive disposable appliances, Microsoft and their... well... nothing especially new there I guess.

    But it's basically universal. There is virtually nothing revolutionary happening today. The best we've got is people making better use of technology that has already existed for decades (ie: AI) because the processing power has reached the right level to do so. Everything else is either trivial incremental nonsense, or a complete reinventing of the wheel that ultimately gives you nothing new than you didn't have before... just a shiny new packaging.

    But enough people buy into it to keep the train chugging.

    1. Re:Does it still do what you want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New javascript frameworks coming out on a weekly basis

      That's preposterous. In the time it took you to write your response, there have been at least TWO new JS frameworks that came out, and one has already been forked.

      Weekly? Do you even agile bro?

  48. Wouldn't that be a problem for the tech industry by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    who's job is to make you want to buy their mostly unnecessary stuff?

    The jump from Atari -> Colecovision was pretty big.

    The jump from Atari/Colecovision -> NES was bigger.

    The Jump from NES -> Genesis/SNES was bigger still.

    And from Genesis/SNES -> Playstation? Enormous.

    I remember the first time I saw a Dreamcast and though, "Wow, I can't believe we can do graphics like that now". I did not get the same feeling with the PS2, the PS3 or the PS4 let alone the Xbox One X.

    It's not just that we're good enough either. The tools we have are limiting what artists can do. 8 cores don't matter much if it's a nightmare to make those cores do enough work to matter. On paper the Sega Saturn blew the PSX out of the water but I can count on half a hand the number of times that happened (Virtual Fighter, Dead or Alive, _maybe_ Grandia and two of those didn't make it out of Japan).

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  49. Love it - I adopt late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I love all these new "upgrades" that are available. I adopt late. I only purchased a PS4 last year for HZD when everyone was looking at the PS4 Pro. I purchased the Xbox One when the "S" slim model came out. Both of these purchases saved $100s, and I can still play the latest games, just not with 4K or the fastest processor.

    Same with cell phones. I buy the Google-branded phone when the new one comes out. Not a huge amount of savings there vs. if I bought it right away, but timing-wise it wasn't right for me to upgrade when my existing phone worked. I don't need a $1K phone, $300 is just fine. I extended both my wife and my Nexus 5 lives by replacing the non-replacable batteries (and the USB connection board as mine was worn out). Our entire family is totally happy on Nexus 5X, and we'll do the same battery replacement trick when the charges don't seem to last.

    TVs? Yeah, I don't need 3D or curved or 4K. We bought our first flatscreen (65") about 3 years ago for just under $1K with a sale at Costco. In-laws who bought a 60" a year before for considerably more were a bit jealous. Frankly, we just weren't in a hurry, had been saving our pennies and researching what were the features we needed, and waited for a good deal. All we really wanted/needed was 1 HDMI port since all of our gadgets just go through a nice $20 HDMI switch, and only connected the ethernet for a short time but found the built-in stuff to be clunky compared to what our BluRay or game consoles could do.

    But we also drive 15-20 year old cars and buy them once-owned in good condition for cash. We spend less money than most and have more funds available to do more things.

    So, churn, churn, churn, and out with the "old" and in with the new, and I'll buy the "old" if and when I need to replace sometime at a great deal - sometimes waiting months for the best sales (Black Friday, woohoo!), but only for things I really "want". I'll read the reviews and avoid the Edsels and lemons.

  50. Translation: People are retards. Duh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And corporations deliberately breed retards, because they're the perfect consumers, and corporations don't give a single shit about such pesky things as the well-being, advancement or even survival of humanity, let alone the planet itself. Because profit for profit's sake is the only thing that matters. Period.

    I'm not being redundant. It's just that as long as people keep being wilfully ignorant and obtuse, I'll keep hammering it into them. As their wilful inaction is an active act of harming me, and I'm not having one bit of that!

  51. Hello there Ameritard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you been triggered?

    Feel the obsessive need to defend your degenerated state, even though it feels so wrong inside, even to you? (If you can even still feel anything.)

    I'm sorry... Your thought-terminating false dichotomy straw-men don't work. We've seen too many SJWs and politicians use them. And ... "Boomer twat"? ... Didn't you even have the calmness left, to find one that even remotely fits him? ...

    Neither does your attempt backwards justification of something that screams "Can't you see how wrong this is??" even while reading it?

    Trinkets... are your entire "life".
    You are one utterly sad pathetic loser.
    And an insult to what America (or even Christianity btw) used to be about.
    You're not an American. You don't deserve the title. You're an Ameritard.

    1. Re:Hello there Ameritard. by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      Somebody as toxic as you.. You're not an American. You don't deserve the title. Let people enjoy things.

  52. We are too hungry for innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innovation takes time, and our impatience is what causes manufacturers to release products that are essentially clones of previous ones trying to sell those small bullet points as new innovation.

  53. Sentence missing in the summary by ThanatosMinor · · Score: 1

    If the summary read a little odd to anyone else, this is what it's supposed to say (missing sentence in bold).

    It's a gorgeous $500 machine. But Xbox One X is still just an Xbox One. That's why I keep eyeballing it. My brain screams, "Why do you exist?" The Xbox One X does not answer. It sits silently...

    It was not eyeballed for being a gorgeous $500 machine, but for being an unnecessary redundant object, which matches the tone of the rest of the summary. The real mystery is why I clicked through to TFA just to figure out why this section of the summary was so awkward to read.

  54. None of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't buy cutting edge.
    I leave that for work. For personal and home use I wait a while for things to mature and buy it when I can be reasonably sure I will get some years of use out of it.
    My kindle paper white, galaxy s5, Lenovo laptop, samsung 4K tv, and 5 year old PC all still work perfectly well for my uses.
    Also, I never buy consoles for exactly this reason. I've seen it with all my friends, again and again. You play games for a couple of months.
    Then you put it in a corner and forget about it until you move house.

  55. Consoles arent PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason to "upgrade" a similar gen console; ie PS4 Pro and Scorpio is for the "potential for games to look better"; basically, you buy the console in hopes that games will be updated to look better.

    When you buy a console you already accept that the games will look better on PC; this is just a way to try to capitalize on people who:
    1. Do not have a console and are mislead into thinking that many games actually support "better quality".
    2. Fanboys who think the same thing.

  56. I don't. by JThundley · · Score: 1

    I don't have any of those things, because I'm not a tool. I don't waste money on upgrading things that don't need upgrading. Don't blame tech companies for your own weakness, take some damn responsibility.

  57. Is this, a complaint? by FreneticPony · · Score: 1

    Help every possible piece of tech in my life gets better every year but not in a way that good enough to me! I'm entitled, listen to me whine.

  58. Let me guess... by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    Let me guess, the "reader" who posted this just turned 15?

  59. Admit it ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Just admit it ... "a reader" is the return of Jon Katz!

  60. Great arguing there! You should become a professor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing... that's all you have to offer. ^^
    No basis, no reasoning. Just blah. Knee-jerk farting from the head cave.
    Thank you for backing me up with this nice example though.

    And on what planet does calling people "toxic" and a “Boomer twat" equal enjoying things? ^^
    Planet "Murica" under God TrumpHillary?

  61. Re:msmash assumes our lives are as empty as her's by AC-x · · Score: 1

    How much does that status symbol car decrease in value as soon as you drive it out of the lot? How much extra in fuel do you pay compared to a more economical car? How much does it cost to maintain every year? How long does it last before it's no longer economical to maintain? How much waste and environmental damage does it cause? How many years of 2-yearly smartphone upgrades does that equate to?

  62. Re:Great arguing there! You should become a profes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried to follow your train of thought but I think you may actually be having a stroke.

  63. Existential crisis? by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

    I think a never ending supply of incremental upgrades in a bunch of different areas is the exact opposite of an existential crisis for the tech industry. It is what keeps people buying new things. Donâ(TM)t have a reason to buy the Xbox X or PS4 Pro? MS/Sony donâ(TM)t care, they just want there to be enough people that do have a reason. Apple donâ(TM)t expect you to buy every new iPhone. They are happy for you to cough up a butt load of cash every 2, 3 or 4 versions (while telling yourself you are good because you have skipped a few)

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  64. It's not even worth it by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I'm skipping these. Developers aren't bothering to enhance enough games. When the PS4 Pro came out, gamers expected every new game coming out to support enhanced graphics and features, but the truth is only certain major games are bothering to use the additional horsepower, because it puts an additional burden on the developer and publisher.

    They see that 90% of people own the base consoles and optimize for that, guaranteeing a good experience. Then if there's budget/time left over, they consider enhancements for the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. But the base console (PS4 and Xbox One) experience will always be good. The developer wants to please the biggest user base.

    I'll wait to upgrade when the next generation of systems come and there is a new base target spec that developers will use.

  65. Natural evolution by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    The One X is a step up from the One S, just like the One S is a step up from the One.

    Microsoft doesn't arbitrarily limit the One's output resolution. If somebody wants to write "Pong4k" (and manages to not get sued by the trademark's current owners) and sell it to people with a first-gen Xbox One, it'll run just fine at 2160p30. I fully expect a slew of retro games that emulate the look of a color vector CRT, or use the higher resolution to emulate CRT color masks, misconvergence, and NTSC color artifacts.

    The main thing the S and X add is the horsepower to do FPS-type games with better T&L and/or higher glitch-free framerates (and enable FPS-type games at 4k resolution & some reasonable framerate without excessive Z-clipping or low-quality T&L to exist AT ALL).

    Going forward, we'll see more and more games that can technically limp along at 720p30 on a first-gen XB1, but NEED a S or X to do 1080p60 at maximum quality (even IF you don't care about "4k".

    The thing to remember is that modern hardware has few "hard" constraints compared to the "vga era"... it's more like you have a finite bucket of resources to spread around however you see fit. You can stream h.264-encoded video (or Asteroids, or Tempest) at 2160p60, you can do realtime raytracing at 480p60, or you can do any sensible permutation that involves triangles, filtered textures, and lighting in between.

  66. Itâ(TM)s fundamentally NOT the same machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The record breaking console GPU dwarfs the original Xbox one.
    I am getting the X because:

    My Xbox one cannot:
    Output 4K
    Use HDR (taking advantage of my OLED)
    Play 4k at 60FPS (for those with the S)
    Take advantage of upcoming AR/VR games

    = not the same. Go read a book and learn.

  67. Then stop buying it! by Tukz · · Score: 1

    If it's essentially the same, why do you keep buying it?

    Buy it when something requires it or your old one breaks. It's not rocket science.

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