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9.6% of Facebook's Users 'May Be Fakes' (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the New York Times: Facebook estimates that about 200 million of its more than 2.07 billion users may be fakes... [Non-paywalled article here.] Colin Stretch, the general counsel of Facebook, told the Senate Intelligence Committee the company was doubling its review staff to 20,000 and using artificial intelligence to find more "bad actors"... Sean Edgett, Twitter's general counsel, testified before Congress that about 5 percent of its 330 million users are "false accounts or spam," which would add up to more than 16 million fakes.

Independent experts say the real numbers are far higher. On Twitter, little more than an email address is needed to start tweeting. Facebook's requirement that users be their authentic selves means the company asks for a smattering of information to sign up -- name, birthday, gender and email address. But few checks exist to verify if that information is true when a user signs up.

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  1. I personally have several dozen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You need to maintain a pretty good sized stable to reply to each other's posts and self-validate.

    1. Re: I personally have several dozen by thsths · · Score: 1

      You sure have a shadow profile, though... unless you don't use email or phone either.

    2. Re:I personally have several dozen by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      The nonprofit I volunteer for uses FB to communicate to volunteers. I have a fake account but everyone on the closed FB page knows it's me.

      I use a disposable email and a fake name/photo. Due to the intrusiveness of Facebook, they won't get my real information. Also I will not download the app on my phone.

    3. Re:I personally have several dozen by K10W · · Score: 1

      The nonprofit I volunteer for uses FB to communicate to volunteers. I have a fake account but everyone on the closed FB page knows it's me.

      I use a disposable email and a fake name/photo. Due to the intrusiveness of Facebook, they won't get my real information. Also I will not download the app on my phone.

      the real devil is in the meta and not the content you provide them with. Unless you use santised seperate machine for every interactions, NEVER contaminate your regular persona machine/connection, go to above average measures to break as much as their harvesting as you can (not just on facebook website itself) etc then they will indeed know exactly who you are. Generally the real info they want isn't the content of your fb posts but your circles of interaction and ASL, pay bracket, marketing related info that advertisers are interested in. They'll tie that in with coworkers you confirmed use it and fingerprint to tie you to that. Just using a fake name and only accessing from hotels say is not enough alone. You NEED to santise your pseudonym and seperate those identities from reality in every way possible and never cross contaminate them ever so they generate a unique print that is not tied to your real one.

  2. Way more than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Spammers, Trolls, People who make sock puppet accounts.... there's tons of semi-fake accounts out there. I'd bet on 50%.

    1. Re:Way more than that by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      "Fake account" is the new "troll".

      In other words, it's just a bullshit accusation you throw around when you don't like what someone is saying.

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  3. Fakebook . . . ? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Definitely "Fakebook" . . . yeah, Zuckerberg's Gestapo crew will now be after me, but, when push comes to shove . . . (Especially since he will probably be the President of the USA real soon),

    "Fakebook" is an appropriate name for his business. Just ask Russia what the costs are.

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    1. Re:Fakebook . . . ? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Interesting

      FecesBook - people posting their random crap that no one gives a shit about
      FazeBook - yet-another-social-media-site
      FarceBook - more bullshit news then real news
      FailBook - more failed virtual relations then real ones
      FuckBook - your privacy is fucked over for profit

    2. Re:Fakebook . . . ? by MangoCats · · Score: 2

      I'm thinking they may have misplaced the decimal point... 2.07 Billion, really?

      I could totally believe 83 million "real" Facebook users, people who live and breathe the app every day. 2+ Billion is counting people that haven't logged on in years, have no idea how to use "the Facebook" and otherwise holders of inactive accounts.

      Just because there's a real person behind a zombie account doesn't mean that they'll be in any way influenced by advertising or other media pushed through Facebook.

    3. Re: Fakebook . . . ? by Thundercat007 · · Score: 2

      It's 2.07 because Facebook went on that campaign where they were creating profiles for "everyone" whether they were a user or not. So others could tag them (without their knowledge of course). Nobody really made a stink oddly enough (head scratch). Now active users vs fake users vs db created users would be an interesting ratio.

    4. Re: Fakebook . . . ? by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      yawn.

    5. Re:Fakebook . . . ? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      FecesBook - people posting their random crap that no one gives a shit about
      FazeBook - yet-another-social-media-site
      FarceBook - more bullshit news then real news
      FailBook - more failed virtual relations then real ones
      FuckBook - your privacy is fucked over for profit

      Bookbook - social networking site for chickens

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  4. API Access by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And every one of them developers who just wanted access to the API to satisfy their stupid customers.

    Really? I need a front-end account to access the API? OK, fake identity it is then.

    They don't get it.

  5. 2.07 Billion? by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are roughly 7.6 billion people on the planet, and about 1/4 of them use facebook?

    I'm guessing there are well north of 200 million fakes.

    1. Re:2.07 Billion? by vlad30 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I consider anyone that uses Facebook more than 15 minutes a day to be a fake, real friends communicate in person

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    2. Re:2.07 Billion? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are roughly 7.6 billion people on the planet, and about 1/4 of them use facebook? I'm guessing there are well north of 200 million fakes.

      You don't understand the reach of Facebook. Here in Norway 80% of the population has used Facebook in the last three months and 65% use it daily. In the youth category (16-24) about 90% use it daily. Granted, we're only 5.2 million of the world population but "everyone" is on Facebook. These are quite reliable statistics not made by Facebook. Getting a Facebook account is the current decade's version of getting a GeoCities homepage, "everyone" has one. I'm quite willing to believe Facebook's numbers are accurate. I don't want the to be, but the facts quite clearly reject my wishes.

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    3. Re:2.07 Billion? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      I haven't used Facebook for 15 minutes in the last 2 years, but I'd wager they count me as an active account holder.

    4. Re:2.07 Billion? by MangoCats · · Score: 1

      5.2 million, that's like half of a "real" metropolitan corridor. Kudos to your uniformity in buying into Zuckerberg's platform, but not every country is locked indoors due to foul weather and lack of sunlight half the year.

      Having said all that, Norway was a really cool place to visit (in the summer), even if your lift operators in Narvik were grumpy when the tourists, myself included, were staying up to experience the midnight sun.

    5. Re:2.07 Billion? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      So basically the majority of Norwegians fell into Facebooks digital trap. You know the purposefully engineering it to drive as much interaction as possible, to force you to continually interact with it, as if it were a personal relationship. The need to respond was very manipulatively engineered into it, which is why people use it compulsively right up until it becomes an intolerable demand and toss it entirely. Then much like a cult that you walk away from, you are now abandoned by it's remaining followers, as they are still tied to it communicatively and feel like you have abandoned them. All very psychologically dirty and quite damaging long term to social relationships. Digitally interactions do overload social interactions diminishing their worth, a means to an end (developing personal relationships) and not just a means for it's own worth (developing lots of meaningless digital relationships).

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    6. Re:2.07 Billion? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Its more!! It's 5 billion.. NO make it 10 billion. The NEWS doesn't care what they report!! Ratings! Ratings! Ratings! ( Robots will be counted as people. And have human rights and no liability. - The next step of fearless corporations.) This is why you continually vote for the less evil politicians - 'till there are none left.

    7. Re:2.07 Billion? by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "This may come as a shock stupid people like you but not all friends live near you."

      The guy who had his locker beside yours 20 years ago ain't your 'friend'.

    8. Re:2.07 Billion? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      What I hear is that Facebook is being abandoned by the young and hip crowd and it's more for aging geezers as a replacement for swapping chain emails.

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  6. God, I hope so by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    It makes more sense than someone cloning my friends, giving them the same name, and trying to friend me to sell me insurance.

  7. I'm fake multiple times by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And none of them have posted on facebook in over 5 years.
    I have one account- created after where I saw facebook was headed that has no pictures and I only follow one subject. Yet- it's already suggested real life friends among the people who 'might' be my friends.

    It's fucking creepy.

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    1. Re:I'm fake multiple times by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yet- it's already suggested real life friends among the people who 'might' be my friends.

      Probably, your friends installed a mobile app, which sucked up all the contacts in their device and then Facebook found your email address amongst those addresses.

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    2. Re:I'm fake multiple times by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Nope. Used a fresh email address. I'm assuming it's the interest I follow combined with geographic area.

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    3. Re:I'm fake multiple times by xlsior · · Score: 2

      Facebook typically lists *active* accounts in their stats, which are accounts that have logged in in the past 30 days or so.
      They already discount your multiple accounts that never log in or post

      The total number of accounts in their system is undoubtedly much higher.

    4. Re:I'm fake multiple times by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      My fake FB account suggested my son as someone who "might be a friend".

      Yes, it is creepy. I suppose they looked at my network path and found a match to my son who lives at the same address.

    5. Re:I'm fake multiple times by n329619 · · Score: 1

      interest I follow combined with geographic area

      It's likely to do with geographic area and possibly ip address tracking/ locating.

    6. Re:I'm fake multiple times by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I would think that too but I hadn't used my other (farmville) facebook accounts for about 3 years when I set up the new non-farmville facebook account.

      It doesn't even have a proper picture of me.

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    7. Re:I'm fake multiple times by n329619 · · Score: 1

      I would think that too but I hadn't used my other (farmville) facebook accounts for about 3 years when I set up the new non-farmville facebook account.

      It doesn't even have a proper picture of me.

      I meant ip address in general. In your case, it is possible that facebook took your ip address of the new account with multiple ip address from your friends and neighbors. It then connects enough dots to recommend your actual friends along with a long list of non-actual friends.

      Ex: Let's say you lived in Smallville. Your friend lived in the next town but travel to Smallville to meet up with you, with another friend, your neighbor, or just a bar with free wifi close to where you lived. Facebook then connects the dots and recommend you to the closest people, then second closest, then farther, until it sometimes matches someone you happened to know.

      Not to mention, your friend tagging people/ locations and any track you've left on the way (gps? fb tracking cookies? fb searches?) can also be used to connect the bigger picture.

      You could try this again. Go to a town/city/place where none of your relatives/ friends went before, at the new place find a McD or free wifi location and create a random facebook account in your cookie-less browser, come back a week or month later and see the result.

  8. Mine is by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a profile with my real name, but everything on there is false info, fake friends, fake pictures, fake likes, fake affiliations, fake posts. But it's all consistent. I just want to see what happens.

    1. Re:Mine is by hey! · · Score: 1

      Wait, so you lie about yourself in your social media feeds?

      I'm shocked, shocked to find that deceptive self-representation is going on here!

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    2. Re:Mine is by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Ha! Ha! Ha! Good one!

    3. Re:Mine is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's substantially more work than goes into most of the fakes. Facebook screwed themselves on the signal to noise front by allowing games that encourage mutual participation by contacts. This led inexorably to people making dummy accounts to goose their performance in their main profile by using the fakes as drones to support their real progress. From what I hear about FB's analytics, they can probably sort the dummies out, but that still implies 10% should be a lowball number.

    4. Re:Mine is by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Ah it just takes minutes a day, and it's de-stressing to me to invent some silly mundane stories, exercise my imagination a bit and at the same time satirize some of daily life. My Facebook character does a lot of things I find funny IRL.

  9. Re:All for nefarious reasons, right? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    I just ignore those sites, or point out my issues to the admin if I value the site. But most sites I'm on have double or triple login options: native, FB, LinkedIn, etc.

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  10. Re:All for nefarious reasons, right? by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

    They believe the internet is so important and have moved their life onto it

    Is it possible that this is the result of real life becoming too expensive in some places?

  11. Ad revenue by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

    Does this mean FB will be refunding ad revenue?

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  13. 10,000 fakes per reviewer... hmmm. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine why the count of reviewers would be spoken about in the same article as the fakes. The reviewers are obviously not there to address the fakes problem. There would have to be a lot more of them than 20,000. Perhaps that's just the number of people tweaking the AI system.

  14. Re:Facebook wont let me sign up! A. Hugh Jass by MangoCats · · Score: 1

    The filter makers know all about Bart's calls to Moe's Tavern.

  15. Number too low. by Narcocide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No way it's less than 20%. I suspect it's pushing 30% actually.

    1. Re:Number too low. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      This.

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  16. Friendface! by antdude · · Score: 1

    You forgot Friendface as shown in IT Crowd many years ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ;)

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  17. Not "fake" by Zemran · · Score: 1

    I would not use real data to open such an account. That does not make the account fake, just inaccurate. Calling it fake is just to add drama and justify their big brother demand for our personal data. I think you have got to be insane to publish all your personal data in the open for someone else to make profit from.

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  18. Card game by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    I'll see your 9.6 and bet you an additional 20.

  19. Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think that number is much, much, higher. Throw in derelict accounts (like mine!) and their user base is MUCH smaller than they claim. I think Twitter's footprint is probably a little more realistic. Everything about social media is a lie.

  20. What? Those Russian girls aren't real? by jcr · · Score: 1

    I get friend requests every week from stock photography models who just want a good man to start a family with! If they're fake, my whole world view will come crashing down!

    -jcr

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  21. If only.... by Excelcia · · Score: 1

    It would be the wildest stroke of luck if only 200 million Facebook users are fake. They will be lucky if half of their users are real.

  22. Fake account by st0nes · · Score: 2

    My dog has an account. Is this a real or fake account?

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