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Ask Slashdot: What Should A Mac User Know Before Buying a Windows Laptop?

New submitter Brentyl writes: Hello Slashdotters, longtime Mac user here faced with a challenge: Our 14-year-old wants a Windows laptop. He will use it for school and life, but the primary reason he wants Windows instead of a MacBook is gaming. I don't need a recommendation on which laptop to buy, but I do need a Windows survival kit. What does a fairly savvy fellow, who is a complete Windows neophyte, need to know? Is the antivirus/firewall in Windows 10 Home sufficient? Are there must-have utilities or programs I need to get? When connecting to my home network, I need to make sure I ____? And so on... Thanks in advance for your insights.

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  1. Re:Raise your child properly by Calydor · · Score: 5, Funny

    give em Linux and tell them to figure out how to run Windows games

    And then tell the rest of the world how he did it.

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  2. Avoid the crap by Cyberglich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One reason pc laptops get a bad rep is the good deals are full of crapware. Pay a bit extra for a Microsoft signature edition (usually less then $100 more then same hardware) but these have ZERO crapware and have had extra driver testing.

    1. Re:Avoid the crap by omnichad · · Score: 4, Informative

      With Windows 10, the license is stored in the EFI. Just download the Media Creation Tool and install your bare Windows 10 with no need for even a product key.

  3. Windows 10 Field Guide by Paul Thurrott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would recommend the Windows 10 Field Guide by Paul Thurrott : https://leanpub.com/windows10fieldguide

  4. Re:Raise your child properly by rtb61 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First up gaming laptops have a real problem, overheating to death. Basically whilst they last they last, but once warranty is over don't expect them to last more than say three times the warranty period. They run hot, real hot and system elements will fail. That is a high powered gaming laptop. Reality is for gaming get a good desktop and for school and other stuff get a cheap near disposable notebook. Cheapest notebook pretty much anything running Linux and a range of free open source software will be good enough (for computer learning experience they now have a foot in both games, windows for gaming all it pretty much can sort of be relied on for and Linux for everything else). So desktop to play games and the cheapest possible Linux notebook for school work, some of the work can still be done on the desktop. Just remember to remind them M$ will be spying on them and not to 'you know' in front of the microphone and camera that M$ is monitoring.

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  5. Windows Survival Kit by denbesten · · Score: 4, Informative
    • Microsoft's inbuilt anti-malware is pretty decent. It is turned on by default. Just make sure it stays on.
    • Microsoft automatically updates its software automatically and it is turned on by default. Again, make sure it stays on.
    • Microsoft Edge (web browser) has a horrible reputation and Internet Explorer has a pretty bad reputation. Most people install Google Chrome and remove the Edge and IE icons from their desktop.
    • Schools tend to use google docs, which stores its files "in the cloud". If he wants to use Office or other programs that store files on the PC, consider installing OneDrive, Dropbox, or Google Drive so that his files are automatically backed up to the cloud. There are directions "out there" to redirect all the common storage locations, such as "My Documents" and "Desktop" into the synchronized folder.
    • Get an external USB drive and occassionally drag the folder "c:\users" to it. Keep it off-line when not in use. If ransomware hits, it tends to corrupt everything attached to the computer, including the cloud synchronized folders. I use a program "Free File Sync" to make this easy, but there are also other backup programs out there that you might find easier. Friends of mine use Synology NAS's for their backup, but they have a bigger toy budget than I.
    • Ocassionally save a screenshot of the "Apps & Features" control panel. This will help you know what needs installed if you decide to rebuild the machine.
    • Disk imaging software exists that will create a complete copy of the hard drive that you can use to restore the machine when the kid buggers it up. Some people find this a lifesaver, but it has not been a big win for me.
    • Most manufacturers have a "reset to factory defaults" option that erases and restores the hard drive. You might never need it, but it helps to figure out how it works before you do.
    • Consider removing admin rights from your kid's account and create a separate admin account with a password. Even if you give the kid the admin password, it helps keep unexpected things from happening behind everyone's back.
  6. Re:You Will Save About 270% For the Same Hardware by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A lot of that, patches that break apps, applications that corrupt registry, driver issues, were real and extremely annoying issues a few years ago, not so much now. It's like jokes about Harleys leaking oil. It was a real problem. Back in the eighties.

    The workstation on which I do business (photo and video post processing) runs Windows. This is because Adobe Creative Suite runs on (a) Windows, or (b) Mac. (It *almost* runs on Wine, but not close enough.)

    I switched from Mac to Windows back when Apple and Adobe got into a pissing contest, I believe about that very same trackpad you like so much. I work with a mouse in my right hand and a midi controller with motorized sliders under my left hand. A trackpad does nothing for me. It's just something to accidentally touch when I'm using the keyboard. Typically the first thing I do on a new laptop is disable the damned trackpad.

    The computer on which I do everything else, runs Mint.

    I've got two elderly, high-end-at-the-time G series Macs parked under my desk. I need to remember to take them to freegeek.

    I'm not a Windows fan. The moment Adobe comes out with a native Linux port, it'll be a pox on both your houses. I'll dump the Big Two and never look back. But until then, I have to put up with Windows.

    And I have to say truthfully, although I've pushed my current and previous Windows 10 boxes pretty hard, both in the work I do, the ancillary apps I run, and the hardware I attach, I have yet to have a single blue (or whatever color it is this iteration) screen of death. I've never had a hang. I've never had a USB device not be recognized. It Just Works. Windows used to be a heaping pile of garbage, and with one release to another the heap just got taller or shorter. But right now, it appears to be dead nuts stable. Imagine my surprise.

    It does a lot of things I find annoying, like constantly begging me to use Edge instead of Firefox, and shamelessly promoting Cortana at every opportunity. But it runs Adobe CC acceptably well. And it hasn't crashed since I "upgraded" to Windows 10.

    In summary, that patter is getting a little stale. You might think about harping on lack of privacy and interrupting one's work with "Ask Cortana a question! Go on! You know you want to!" instead. There's still lots of reasons to hate Microsoft. Your arguments would carry more weight if you used ones that were still valid.

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  7. Some quick differences by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Informative

    The menus don't float at the top of the screen, they're attached to the window. Closing all the windows will quit the app.

    The filenames are case insensitive. This can cause some problems if you're moving them back and forth between the OSX and Windows machines.

    Microsoft will try to convince you to get a hotmail account to use your machine. This isn't necessary, but I don't recall how to avoid it. Play around on that screen to keep your accounts local (unless you want them tied together).

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  8. Re:Raise your child properly by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 5, Informative

    Ever notice how they always get viruses

    Spare me this tired meme from 20 years ago.

    We've got five Windows 10 machines in our family, used by me, my wife and my two kids. I just let Windows Defender do its thing and I haven't seen a virus in years.

  9. Re: Raise your child properly by Type44Q · · Score: 5, Funny

    I haven't seen a virus in years.

    Then you couldn't possibly have one!

  10. Re:ugh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow, you can't have used Windows since the XP days, prior to Service Pack 1... So 2002 maybe?

    - Accounts haven't run as admin since Vista.
    - The firewall has been enabled since XP SP1.
    - Windows Defender has been on by default since Vista.

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  11. Re:ugh by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) That's what UAC is for, learn about when something should prompt you and when to say no.
    2) That's the default
    3) That's the default
    4) What's IE? How do you even start IE on a modern Windows 10 machine?
    5) Why? What are you trying to prevent? Maybe teach people about risks of code execution than arbitrarily hide behind some walled garden.

  12. Re:ugh by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, you can't have used Windows since the XP days, prior to Service Pack 1... So 2002 maybe?

    A True Slashdotter hasn't used Windows since 1991 when he first installed Linux, and so isn't familiar with anything after Windows 3.1

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  13. Re:wow by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, “saavy Mac user” is quite the oxymoron.

    Really?

    I think "Polite Linux User" is much more of an oxymoron.