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Study Finds Robot Surgeons Are Actually Slower and More Expensive (theregister.co.uk)
"Robot-assisted surgery costs more time and money than traditional methods, but isn't more effective, for certain types of operations," reports the Register, in an article shared by schwit1:
In a study of almost 24,000 laparoscopic surgeries just published in The Journal of American Medicine, researchers from Stanford University School of Medicine analyzed data from 416 hospitals around the U.S. from 2003 to 2015. Robotic assistance provides 3D-visualization, a broader range of motion for instruments, and better ergonomics for physicians, according to the study. While it has advantages in scenarios where a high-degree of precision is required or where improved outcomes have been demonstrated (like radical prostatectomy), it appears to be a waste of resources for the two operations examined... But the patient outcomes were more or less the same.
A thematically-related economic study presented by the National Bureau for Economic Research on Monday suggests that while AI and machine learning have received substantial investment over the past five years and have been widely touted as a transformative technologies, "there is little sign that they have yet affected aggregate productivity statistics... The simplest possibility is that the optimism about the potential technologies is misplaced and unfounded," muse Erik Brynjolfsson and Daniel Rock (MIT), Chad Syverson (University of Chicago) in the paper.
But instead the paper's author suggest that fully realizing the benefits of AI "will require effort and entrepreneurship to develop the needed complements, and adaptability at the individual, organizational, and societal levels to undertake the associated restructuring."
A thematically-related economic study presented by the National Bureau for Economic Research on Monday suggests that while AI and machine learning have received substantial investment over the past five years and have been widely touted as a transformative technologies, "there is little sign that they have yet affected aggregate productivity statistics... The simplest possibility is that the optimism about the potential technologies is misplaced and unfounded," muse Erik Brynjolfsson and Daniel Rock (MIT), Chad Syverson (University of Chicago) in the paper.
But instead the paper's author suggest that fully realizing the benefits of AI "will require effort and entrepreneurship to develop the needed complements, and adaptability at the individual, organizational, and societal levels to undertake the associated restructuring."
There was a time when what were once called horseless carriages was slower than using a horse,.
Give it time.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Wow, these people completely missed the point of these procedure techniques. They are not intended to make surgery more efficient or cheaper. They are intended to make them SAFER. They have a much lower impact on the human body and produce much less shock. They have shorter recovery time. They produce drastically less scarring.
Amazing how wildly out-of-touch technologists can be that they consider speed and cost to be more important than the health and well-being of the patient.
If antibiotics are really becoming obsolete then we should be sterilizing everything in the operating room, including the surgeons.
I don't think your average surgeon is going to survive a trip through the autoclave.
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He was shot in the temple.
If you guys keep bitching like this for the next 7 years we're going to have a national crisis trying to find a place to store all the salt.
If you factor in how much it costs to raise and train a human surgeon then the maths come out a lot different. And yes, there's a tremendous upfront cost in creating and training an "AI" surgeon but that is ultimately spread across all the units developed, even completely new models will generally build off of previous generations. The cost of training a human surgeon is per-unit and will only decrease when we get wet wired to accept pluggable skills/memories and/or vat grown humans "born" mature.
What with all the salt we have from the other side whining and crying for the previous eight years there's damn little space for any more to begin with.
And three years. The next election is in three years. Y'all need to go back to fifth grade social studies. You might want to brush up to on the First Amendment too while you're at it.
Are you in Alabama? Are you going to vote for the pedophile? You Republicans and your family values – you'll vote for pedophile before you'll vote for for a Democrat! Just like you voted for the Pussy Grabber. There's a special level of Hell just for you hypocrites.
In other words, human doctors have made absolutely sure that the surgeries they design are easily done by the surgeon doing the planning, rather than saying "Hey, I'm not sure if I can avoid killing you, but what the hell, let's give it a shot."
No freaking da.
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You have to believe in a god first
Trump apparently doesn't.
If you guys keep bitching like this for the next 7 years we're going to have a national crisis trying to find a place to store all the salt.
You're in for a shock next November.
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Health and well being is a variable subjective thing that seems to jive, change with the times. Usually culturally / technologically speaking. And they are always fads. Which is why we end up alienating those whom tend to operate outside the supposed norms of culture. Under whose guidelines does one consider the best of states to be in. Who has the right to decide. Many may not think there is a debate to this, yet look at the use of over prescribed medications as an example. The mortality rates. So yes, there is. And while I agree to simply focus on speed and cost alone is quite shallow in it's approach, some people, patients for example, simply well, have no patience.
I hope that I'm not the only one puzzled with the number of surgical procedures being evaluated here. A single procedure done carried out using 3 different methods is hardly going to produce enough data to make any kind of assessment as how the different methods compare. Sure, you can talk about how they compare for this particular procedure, but even at that we're talking about footnote-level importance here.
Hell, I'd even go far as to argue that the real story here is how something as insignificant as this was given this much attention and how badly it's very specific conclusions were over-extrapolated to make a headline as eye-catching as possible.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
Well at least he's got that going for him.
One of Christensen's main points is that disruptive innovators usually offer products that are clearly inferior to the state of the art in one or more dimensions that matter to the majority of the customer base of the industry giants. For example, the IBM PC was dismissed as a toy by DEC's Ken Olsen, and many others. They weren't entirely wrong. But the upstarts gain a foothold, and that helps fund rapid improvement of their products.
I always thought in a perfect world that we would be merged with robots, working side by side, making anything we do; perfect.. I personally would want a human beside the robot in case it gets hacked or breaks. But alas, $$$ Money rules $$$!!
Silicon Valley is proven yet again an over-inflated, delusional hype balloon? GET OUT. Soon to not follow: robot lawyers, judges, teachers, mission to mars etc. ad naseum.
Hell, I'd even go far as to argue that the real story here is how something as insignificant as this was given this much attention and how badly it's very specific conclusions were over-extrapolated to make a headline as eye-catching as possible.
Welcome to the Internet!
Also, all of mass communication for the last two-thousand plus years.
"Chairman Mao" disarmed his people, then killed 20 million of his countrymen who opposed him. The bottom line is that we vote against ANYONE that we feel is likely to pass even the slightest of "gun control" legislation. Between the despots exterminating opposition, and the fact that "gun control" legislation absolutely does not work, the opposition cannot find anyone that we would not vote for as long as Democrats demonstrate their willingness to go down the same road as past communists.
if the scientists say "optimism is misplaced and unfounded"? There is no progress without optimism.
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and she tells me that she and all her coworkers hate robotic surgery cases. They take much longer which increases the risk of anesthesia related complications, especially for older patients.