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Amazon Developing a Free, Ad-Supported Version of Prime Video: Report (adage.com)

Amazon is developing a free, ad-supported complement to its Prime streaming video service, AdAge reported on Monday, citing people familiar with Amazon's plans. From the report: The company is talking with TV networks, movie studios and other media companies about providing programming to the service, they say. Amazon Prime subscribers pay $99 per year for free shipping but also access to a mix of ad-free TV shows, movies and original series such as "Transparent" and "The Man in the High Castle." It has dabbled in commercials on Prime to a very limited degree, putting ads inside National Football League games this season and offering smaller opportunities for brand integrations. A version paid for by advertisers instead of subscribers could provide a new foothold in streaming video for marketers, whose opportunities to run commercials are eroding as audiences drift away from traditional TV and toward ad-free services like Netflix and Prime.

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  1. Bad Idea by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I consume probably over $300/month on average from Amazon Video (not accounting for the Prime membership) because I sit at the computer programming most of the day and can put it on a monitor on the side. If I had to have ads playing during shows/movies that would drop to $0/month. I'd prefer getting DVDs for series off of eBay or just not watching anything than sit through marketing filth and allowing it to influence my thoughts in any way.

    1. Re:Bad Idea by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      The title itself specifies Ad-supported version of Prime Video, no need to go into panic mode.

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    2. Re:Bad Idea by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 2

      That's how it starts, but if you give filthy marketing types an inch they'll never give it back and demand another.

    3. Re:Bad Idea by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      So you'll happily sit there and suck down masses of entertainment by paying for Prime, but if they want to provide video at no monetary cost to the viewer, they're despicable. (ie: fuck the people who can't afford Prime)

    4. Re:Bad Idea by DogDude · · Score: 1

      You're bothered by marketing, but you spend money with Amazon? That's a strange decision.

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    5. Re:Bad Idea by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cable television used to be ad-free. Eventually most basic cable networks in the United States introduced ads, on ostensible grounds that neither ads alone nor the retransmission royalty alone could fully fund the production of video works with the quality that subscribers expect. I suspect that NicknameUnavailable's fear is that if the ads on free Prime Video become acceptable, paid Prime Video will end up with ads as well.

    6. Re:Bad Idea by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      This is interesting. I rarely use amazon prime video even though I am a member.

      Has it gotten easier to sort through the stuff included with prime and what is not (in other words, is there a filter to show me only prime videos?)

    7. Re:Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cable television used to be ad-free.

      Cable-television used to be a way for people in locations that couldn't get clear reception to receive signals by combining their resources.

      Eventually most basic cable networks in the United States introduced ads, on ostensible grounds that neither ads alone nor the retransmission royalty alone could fully fund the production of video works with the quality that subscribers expect.

      WTCG the first basic Cable Network started off with ads. This is the network now known as TBS. The second Cable Network was a Christian religious network, I'm not sure when it had ads, but then again, its origins are a bit off the marketing norm.

      HBO, a premium network, is still ostensibly ad-free, though it does obviously promote its own content.

      What's the problem?

      I suspect that NicknameUnavailable's fear is that if the ads on free Prime Video become acceptable, paid Prime Video will end up with ads as well.

      Then they might as well fear that eventually Amazon will cancel every show with a tree in it.

    8. Re:Bad Idea by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      I suspect that NicknameUnavailable's fear is that if the ads on free Prime Video become acceptable, paid Prime Video will end up with ads as well.

      Then all he'll have to do is sign up for Amazon Prime Squared Video.

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    9. Re:Bad Idea by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      A) Ads decrease the run length of shows regardless of whether or not they have ads because content producers tend to tune the length to match.
      B) Ads change the presentation of a show because content producers need to insert a stopping point every 10 minutes which detracts from the content.
      C) Ads will creep into paid content, just as they did on Cable.
      D) Ads are designed to influence your thoughts and get you to do things you wouldn't otherwise, be it buying stupid shit to deflate your bank account or voting for a corrupt politicians - they are tools designed by the most amoral yet highly competent psychologists on Earth and only a fool would subject themselves to them.

    10. Re: Bad Idea by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I think the filter is based on what you watched and how long you watched it - the recommended prime videos and such get better over time. If you don't watch anything then the prime section probably just tries to throw shit at the wall and check if anything sticks.

    11. Re:Bad Idea by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      The summary makes it sound like there's some sort of ad-related incrementalism going on with NFL broadcasts. To clarify for the many people who have never watched an NFL broadcast in your life, the game is regularly interrupted for both normal and artificial reasons, during which advertisements are played. So, when streaming an NFL game live, it would be rather idiotic to fill the stream with empty space instead of playing an advertisement. And in fact, on one occasion, I actually saw that happen, presumably by mistake. An animated NBC logo is no more fun to watch than an ad. Maybe even less so.

      I'm not too worried at this point, but only because Amazon is competing against Netflix. But I certainly don't trust Amazon not to try to stuff in more ads anywhere they think they can get away with it, though. After all, even though I'm shopping on their site for the purpose of *paying* them for goods, they still feel the need to try to monetize my eyeballs every chance they get. It's a bit irritating, but not enough to overcome the convenience of shopping with them, I suppose. After all, I can just skip over those ads.

      I'm fine with a free ad-supported version of a streaming service. I think it's a great idea to let people "pay" for a service in different ways. But if Amazon starts shoving ads in Prime streams, I'm definitely out, no question. I never considered subscribing to Hulu until they had an ad-free service, and actually quit them because they insisted on displaying a video bug in the corner, which is more or less an affiliate ad shown for the length of the entire damned show.

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    12. Re:Bad Idea by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Yep, just type in "Prime Video" in the search box, which takes you to the "Included With Prime" category filter. For the Xbox One app which I use, there's a category for Prime Videos for easy browsing as well.

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    13. Re:Bad Idea by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      If you honestly can't afford $99/year, then you shouldn't even be online. You should take your very small income and spend it on food and clothing. Give me a break!

    14. Re:Bad Idea by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      Hulu Plus ALWAYS had advertising - it just included more content (that could be streamed via set-top boxes, when those differentiations were important). I believe it also got you next-day airings, instead of airings from a week ago. But except when there were ad server issues at the beginning (it seemed like ads just didn't happen sometimes), it's always been ad-supported as well.

    15. Re:Bad Idea by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Cable television used to be ad-free.

      WRONG. Cable TV was a way to get OTA to areas that couldn't get OTA.

    16. Re:Bad Idea by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      But Hulu added the commercial free version. It's kind of lame that Hulu has a significantly discounted version of their regular service for a year but didn't discount the commercial free version too, so now the commercial free one is about 2x the cost of the regular.. But I'll still probably keep it for at least a month or two beyond the free month trial I'm using now, even though I already have cable & Tivo stuff. Even with the (one button press per commercial break) on some shows on Tivo nowadays, having NO commercials (except the annoying little "so and so show on so and so network this day this time" before every show) is THAT much more convenient, especially when I'm at the gym.

      Most people complain about cable TV price.. I'd like it cheaper, of course, but for the amount of entertainment I use, it seems reasonable. I only wish there were a commercial free version of all of it, in one place (/UI). From what I've seen, netflix, Hulu, cbs all access, etc., all still don't even cover all of the OTA programming, much less cable programming.

  2. There's a catch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your best viewing experience will be on a Fire HD 10 tablet.

  3. so long as its optional by anthony_greer · · Score: 1, Interesting

    i don't want ads. I pay what Prime costs for fast shipping, the music service and ad free video. if video gets ads on the paid tier, Ill go elsewhere.

    1. Re:so long as its optional by crow · · Score: 3, Informative

      Exactly. The fear is that this will go the way of cable TV and eventually they'll migrate from the nice paid ad-free service to an obnoxious paid ad-full service.

      In Amazon's case in particular, I could see them moving the ad-free version to a added subscription on top of Prime, just like the Music Unlimited subscription. I really hope that doesn't happen.

    2. Re:so long as its optional by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      You're about a decade late and this isn't Barrens chat

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  4. Re:Ok. Will they stop forcing ads on subscribers? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    I watch Prime Video all the time. There are no injected ads.

  5. Re:Ok. Will they stop forcing ads on subscribers? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Did you save the text of the reply in which you were "politely told off" when you complained about the trailers shown when Amazon Primee Video opens?

  6. Free shipping by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    So can they do the free shipping thing too? Amazon can chuck a few flyers in the box with your stuff.

  7. Re:Ok. Will they stop forcing ads on subscribers? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    So, they don't inject ads.

  8. So, basically CABLE TV? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    That's what this is: basically cable TV. You may be getting the content for 'free', but there are commercials, so it's not really 'free', and you have to pay monthly for your broadband internet access (which comes in over a CABLE of some kind, one way or the other) -- so it's essentially cable TV. Gotcha. Is Comcast behind this?

    I'll stick with the antenna on my roof, DVR, and DVDs.

    1. Re:So, basically CABLE TV? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Seriously?

      The cable bill is going to someone else so not at all like cable TV.

      By your logic, Prime video and Netflix are already cable TV but premium channels.

    2. Re:So, basically CABLE TV? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      They are. :-) You're just trading one cable for another cable, and in most cases you're probably still paying your money for internet access to the same company you were paying for cable TV before you 'cut the cord'. The only way you really 'cut the cord' is to put an antenna on your roof and watch free OTA broadcast TV.

  9. Another Amazon Success? by hAckz0r · · Score: 1
    Success? That all depends on whether it comes with the "skip button" enabled or not.

    The only reason I own a Tivo if for the skip/ff button feature. Even though it only skips N-seconds rather than N-commercials it still works reasonably well enough that I don't stop watching altogether. I never watch anything live, because then I can't skip or fast forward past the social cancer they call advertising.

    1. Re:Another Amazon Success? by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

      Forgot to mention, the Tivo implementation of fast forward for Amazon content is a non-starter. You can not see what you are skipping over, so you never know where to stop. Epic fail if I need to skip commercials. For now the prime video are commercialless, but that is bound to change when some exec starts to smell money.

    2. Re:Another Amazon Success? by Bethany_Saint · · Score: 1

      Tivo has a wonderful feature for skipping ALL the commercial breaks. (At least for most prerecorded shows. Not for live shows like news and sports.)

      For shows that support commercial skip, when going to a commercial you'll hear a beep and see a little skip message pop up on screen for a few seconds. If you click the green button (I think ... don't have the remote in front of me) you'll skip the entire commercial block and jump right back to the next part of the show.

      That's one of the few reasons I keep Tivo. Otherwise Plex or MythTV or others work well enough.

    3. Re: Another Amazon Success? by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

      I have never heard any beep, nor seen any popup. We apparently don't watch the same shows or you have a newer machine. As for the Amazon UI, skipping absolutely sucks without being able to see or hear what you are skipping over. I think the Youtube software is similar. All this is likely due to not storing/queing the stream locally to permit fast enough access to the video frame contents.

  10. Bezos unveils... the television! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Basically, Bezos and his deca-billions are reverting back to the business model of TV in the 1950s.

  11. Prime video shows Amazon ads at the start of shows by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    They already show an annoying ad, most of which can be skipped, for their own shows at the start of every damn video now. It's already annoying. Putting more on, even if free, is unacceptable. Commercials destroy the continuity of enjoying a movie or TV series.

  12. Adverts are evil - in some fairly subtle ways. by sbaker · · Score: 1

    Seems to me that the reason to want to move from conventional TV to streaming are precisely BECAUSE there are no adverts. It's not just the annoyance of watching the adverts themselves - it's more subtle than that:

    * With advertising, you can't be allowed to fast-forward at will because you'll be able to skip the adverts.
    * With advertising, the advertisers are the arbiters of whether a show is successful, not the audience.
    * With advertising, "binge watching" produces bad results for the advertisers because all of their ads get shown in a shorter period of elapsed time - they want the long term exposure that comes with a reproducible audience over a period of months to years.
    * With advertising, each episode of a show has to incorporate the same amount of advertising to pay for itself. This forces production into a mode where every show is the exact same length - rather than ending where a natural break in the story happens. This results in scripts either being trimmed or padded in ways that are not ideal. A similar effect happens where an advert break is needed in the middle of a piece of drama or a key conversation.

    Those things produce worse content than with freely streamed video.

    These subtle effects are extremely noticeable when you watch a show that was DESIGNED for adverts versus one that was made for streaming.

    Advertising seems like it's free - but you're actually paying for it by wasting your life in 4 minute chunks. Worse still, if they advertise something you actually want to buy - the cost of the advert gets added into your product. Thousands of dollars of the price of a car are the cost of advertising it to you. Cut out adverts - and we all save money...which we can use to pay higher streaming fees.

    In the end, the ONLY people who lose out are the ad agencies and production companies...and that's fine by me.

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  13. Apple TV by ScooterComputer · · Score: 1

    Can't help but think this might have something to do with the model Apple has established with the Apple TV. Both Apple and Amazon have promised Amazon Video on Apple TV "this fall" (for the second year in a row). Apple's App Store model allows for free apps and subscription services, with a significant discount off the 30% "revenue sharing" for subs that last over a year. Producing a service like this would allow Amazon to much more easily bring in Amazon Video customers from Apple TV—they come in to ad-supported content for free—with a frictionless way to transistion to a paid subscription with a (likely) lower hit than having to revenue-share the full Prime membership. Then Amazon could advertise Prime membership via commercials, and end-run Apple's restrictions on "advertising" outside-the-App-Store purchasing avenues.

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  14. No, thanks by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    I will most definitely carry on paying $100 a year for not been subjected to commercials.

  15. Re:Streaming is for KEEPING ads, not eliminating t by sbaker · · Score: 1

    "Nobody who is anti-ad goes with proprietary streaming"

    This is patent nonsense. I am anti-ad - and I subscribe to four different streaming services (including NetFlix and Amazon) precisely because they don't have adverts. If they ever DO start using adverts - then I'll unsubscribe and lose nothing.

    So right there, there is an "existence proof" that you're wrong.

    I stream because (having "cut the cord") I still want to watch some TV now and again. I don't especially care whether I stream or download because I'm not really into watching the same show/movie more than once. I don't want to "own" the content for future use. Streaming is marginally more convenient than downloading because it starts playing within seconds of choosing to watch something rather than having to download the entire thing first...but honestly, I don't give a damn which it is.

    I use a Roku for streaming - and the fact that every streaming service has it's own software is no more than a very minor annoyance.

    If it was some kind of material where I wanted to watch it more than once - maybe I'd be concerned enough to want to download it...but that's not the case here.

    Music would be a different matter. I VERY commonly listen to the same music many, many times - and for that, I need to own my own copy and (preferably) have it stored on my own hard drive.

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  16. Re:Ok. Will they stop forcing ads on subscribers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is their reply:

    Hello ---,

    First of all, please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused to you thus far. I do understand how frustrating this must have been to you. We value our customers' trust above all else--it is the foundation upon which Amazon.com was built.

    However, as your mail reached my desk, I would love to put in my every effort possible to provide you with the best resolution. Therefore, to help you with this issue, I've forwarded your comments as a feedback to our Amazon Prime Video team so, that they can take necessary steps in order to improve our services and features and in order to not disappoint privileged customers like you, as happened in your case.

    Thank you for letting us know what you want from Amazon Prime Videos. The best service delivery comes from a feedback provided by a valuable customer like you. I appreciate your thoughts, and I've passed your suggestion along to my higher authorities on Top Priority. Also as, I've forwarded your comments to our development team, they will definitely consider my feedback request, start working on it. I request you to understand my limitations regarding the issue.

    We want to thank you for your patronage and for bringing these concerns to our attention. I’m truly sorry for the trouble caused in this case, and I hope you'll give us another chance in the future to show our dedication. I believe, you would appreciate my effort in sharing genuine information with you.

    Thank you for understanding my limitations regarding this issue as a Loyal Amazon Customer. I hope that you will honor us with another opportunity, to prove the quality of our service to you in the future as we look forward to seeing you again soon.

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  17. Re:Streaming is for KEEPING ads, not eliminating t by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    But Amazon does have advertisements, for their shitty shows. They're not all shitty, I'm watching some of them after all, but I never ever want to see any kind of advertisement ever, unless I choose to see it. They also shit up their dashboard to make you see more ads. This is really special: you used to get all your apps if you hit home twice. Now if you hit home twice, you get a message saying to see all your apps, select all apps from apps in the dashboard. If you do that, it shows you the same damn display it used to show you if you hit home twice. So it's not gone, they just took away a useful feature and replaced it with the need to go through the dash so you can be presented with a banner ad.

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  18. Re:lol by LesFerg · · Score: 1

    I tried the 30 day free trial, in New Zealand. I could only find 1 tv show that it would allow me to watch. Nothing else was viewable in my location. The "thousands of tv shows and movies" is all false advertising as far as I can see. They could at least add a search filter to show only content available in my country, I could not find that option anywhere.

    Movie rental prices weren't too impressive, from the few I looked up, but then I didn't try renting one because I couldn't tell if I would be allowed to view it in my location either.

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  19. When CATV became cable by tepples · · Score: 1

    You are correct that community antenna television (CATV) began by retransmitting the OTA channels. But to me, CATV became "cable" (multichannel pay TV) when CATV operators added channels other than OTA.

    1. Re:When CATV became cable by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      BTW, I wasn't trying to be quite so snide as it sounded.

      I live in Silicon Valley, and originally got cable *for* the OTA stations, because different transmitters were 180 degrees apart, so it was difficult to do unattended recording. (I still watch mostly OTA,with some cable channel shows mixed in..)