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Tesla Is a 'Hotbed For Racist Behavior,' Worker Claims In Lawsuit (bloomberg.com)

An African-American employee has filed a lawsuit against Tesla, claiming their production floor is a "hotbed for racist behavior" and that black workers at the electric carmaker suffer severe and pervasive harassment. "The employee says he's one of more than 100 African-American Tesla workers affected and is seeking permission from a judge to sue on behalf of the group," reports Bloomberg. "He's seeking unspecified general and punitive monetary damages as well as an order for Tesla to implement policies to prevent and correct harassment." From the report: "Although Tesla stands out as a groundbreaking company at the forefront of the electric car revolution, its standard operating procedure at the Tesla factory is pre-Civil Rights era race discrimination," the employee said in the complaint, filed Monday in California's Alameda County Superior Court. The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Marcus Vaughn, who worked in the Fremont factory from April 23 to Oct. 31. Vaughn alleged that employees and supervisors regularly used the "N word" around him and other black colleagues. Vaughn said he complained in writing to human resources and Musk and was terminated in late October for "not having a positive attitude."

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  1. Racism sucks... fight back by Seven+Spirals · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm glad to live in a country where a guy like this can sue the Tesla. Hopefully, he had the presence of mind to record them or get some hard evidence. EEOC complaints can be an effective avenue, so can a discrimination lawsuit. The only way to stop this kind of behavior is to bow-up and fight back.

    1. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The reality is that we live in a world that every last lawsuit against Tesla (something that happens against all companies) will be extensively covered by the media, without any coverage of the outcome of the suits - which so far have all been in Tesla's favour.

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    2. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by thomst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seven Spirals announced:

      I'm glad to live in a country where a guy like this can sue the Tesla. Hopefully, he had the presence of mind to record them or get some hard evidence. EEOC complaints can be an effective avenue, so can a discrimination lawsuit. The only way to stop this kind of behavior is to bow-up and fight back.

      I'm glad to live in a country where the legal system provides a means of redress for harassment in the workplace - which is not quite the same thing you seem to be happy about.

      As one of those rare /.ers who actually reads TFA which TFS summarizes (ahem), let me point out a couple of key quotes that are not included in the clickbait summary, above:

      A Tesla assembly line worker sued in March, claiming the company did little to stop co-workers from harassing him. In August, a judge sent the case to arbitration. A judge also partly granted Tesla’s request to compel arbitration in a case of a woman who sued in November 2016 complaining about pervasive harassment.

      At a guess (and this is only a guess, because I haven't read the judge's order), the judge in the first case sent the case to arbitration because the evidence against Tesla was something short of compelling. But, let's continue:

      According to Monday’s complaint, Musk sent an email to Tesla factory employees on May 31.

      "Part of not being a huge jerk is considering how someone might feel who is part of [a] historically less represented group." Musk wrote in the email. "Sometimes these things happen unintentionally, in which case you should apologize. In fairness, if someone is a jerk to you, but sincerely apologizes, it is important to be thick-skinned and accept that apology."

      "The law doesn’t require you to have a thick skin," [the plaintiff's attorney] said in an interview Monday. "Tesla is not doing enough. It’s somewhat akin to saying ‘stop being politically correct.’ When you have a diverse workforce, you need to take steps to make sure everyone feels welcome in that workforce."

      The first two paragraphs make it pretty clear that Musk disapproves of casual expressions of racism. His general memos carry more than a little weight at his company. Ask any of his employees about that.

      The third paragraph presents the plaintiff's attorney's opinion as fact. That's a commonplace lawyerly PR tactic designed to allow the barrister to define the bounds of the dispute. Any competent judge is going to ignore it, and instruct the jury to ignore it, as well, because, under the law, you do not have to "take steps to make sure everyone feels welcome in that workplace." What you have to do is take whatever steps are necessary to end racial harrassment of the plaintiff in your workplace - which is not quite the same thing.

      The fact that the attorney in question has applied to the judge for class action status makes it quite clear that he, at least, understands that at least as well as I do. (IANAL) Whether the jurist who's hearing the case will grant that status is a good question. Unless I miss my guess, his decision whether to do so will depend heavily on the case the plaintiff's lawyer makes for pervasive racial harassment at Tesla during pre-trial hearings.

      What we actually, verifiably know is that Marcus Vaughn, who worked at Tesla for six months, is suing Tesla in Alameda County Superior Court for allegedly failing to prevent racial discrimination against him, and that his lawyer, Larry Organ, an attorney at the California Civil Rights Law Group, has petitioned the judge to award his case class action status. That's it, that's all. Presuming culpability on Tesla's part is premature, to say the least, particularly in view of a previous case making the same general allegations having been referred by the judge to binding arbitration, rather than being permitted to g

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    3. Re: Racism sucks... fight back by sexconker · · Score: 3, Informative

      Learn to read. Rei referred to the lawsuits against Tesla,meaning Tesla was the defendant.
      And from context it's clear Rei is referring to all the harassment/ism-based lawsuits.

    4. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by sexconker · · Score: 2

      The third paragraph presents the plaintiff's attorney's opinion as fact. That's a commonplace lawyerly PR tactic designed to allow the barrister to define the bounds of the dispute. Any competent judge is going to ignore it, and instruct the jury to ignore it, as well, because, under the law, you do not have to "take steps to make sure everyone feels welcome in that workplace." What you have to do is take whatever steps are necessary to end racial harrassment of the plaintiff in your workplace - which is not quite the same thing.

      Absolutely correct.

      Hostile work environments, harassment, etc. aren't about being mean, insensitive, etc. You can be an ass to your employees all you want, as long as you're fair about it.
      You can't have a pattern (or an extreme isolated incident) of targeting individuals or groups.

    5. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Dread_ed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its not like the National Automobile Dealers Association hasn't tried to get laws changed to prevent Tesla from selling their cars. I wouldn't put it past them to arrange some shit like this.

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    6. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Charcharodon · · Score: 3, Interesting
      What also is great when it turns out to be a frivolous lawsuit he has to pay Tesla's legal bills. Isn't America wonderful?

      Some of the items he is complaining about:

      Having to show up to work on time.
      Having to be productive at work.
      Not being able to blame his poor work performance on "racist crackers"
      Being openly hostile towards his co-workers and then not getting invited out for beer after going on daily rants about how racists everyone is around here
      The fact that they actually expect him to come to work during Black History Month instead of attending "whitey is a racists workshops"

      Oh wait I'm confusing this guy with guys that I had to serve with while I was in the Air Force.

      Hey maybe he has a point or more likely he was told that his performance sucked and if he didn't shape up he would be let go during next year's round of low performer culling.

    7. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tesla is such an SJW company.

      What's amusing about all the "America, f*ck yeah!" folks complaining about Tesla being all "SJW" is the fact that of all the car companies, Tesla car are the 'most American-made' of any of the USA-based car companies.

      So anyone who is a patriot who says "Buy American!" should skip over their F150 pickup (64% American made) and buy a Tesla (100% American-made).

      Source: http://time.com/4677817/americ...

    8. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SJW-ism is Church Of No Salvation. A doctrinal revision has converted white guilt into a form of original sin. Ancestral guilt which no amount of penitence can expiate.

      And has been pointed out, why follow a religion which offers no redemption?

      https://web.archive.org/web/20...

      In the latter half of the 20th century, our civic religion was egalitarianism. If you got accused of the sin of racism, you could atone. And as long as he hired a few token women, paid off the Rainbow/PUSH coalition, engaged in ritual recitation of of "I Have a Dream," or voted Democrat, a heterosexual white male could atone for the original sin of his birth.

      The problem is that in the last ten years, the Cathedral has undergone a doctrinal reformation. The old creed, "Race is only skin deep," has been replaced with a new one, "To be white is to be racist." The means of salvation have been taken away, and it is now taught that there is literally no way for a straight, white male to find salvation, to get right with the god of the age, to be restored to respectability.

      Why follow a religion that offers no redemption? Why listen to its priests or care about its rites? The cult of equality is losing its grip on white males, because more and more of us are realizing it offers nothing to us whatsoever. Its condemnations mean nothing now. A church with no salvation is a church with no adherents.

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    9. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sounds like it might be much simpler:

      Regarding yesterday’s lawsuit, several months ago we had already investigated disappointing behavior involving a group of individuals who worked on or near Marcus Vaughn’s team. At the time, our investigation identified a number of conflicting accusations and counter-accusations between several African-American and Hispanic individuals, alleging use of racial language, including the "n-word" and "w-word," towards each other and a threat of violence. After a thorough investigation, immediate action was taken, which included terminating the employment of three of the individuals.

      Aka, according to Tesla, there absolutely was racial language used - but the plaintiff was part of it, and his contract was ended as a consequence. Also, Tesla makes some pretty damning-if-true counterallegations - among them:

      - There is only one actual plaintiff (Marcus Vaughn), not 100. The reference to 100 is a complete fabrication with no basis in fact at all.

      - The plaintiff was employed by a temp agency, not by Tesla as claimed in the lawsuit.

      - Marcus was not fired, he was on a six month temp contract that simply ended as contracted.

      - His email to Elon was about his commute and Tesla’s shuttles, which was addressed as he requested. There was no mention of racial discrimination whatsoever.

      They also allege that the attorney hired has a long track record of taking on meritless lawsuits and using the threat of damage to a company's reputation in the media to get them to settle out of court.

      I would say, "We'll see where this goes", except, well, we all know that while allegations get big headlines, unless there's a surprise ending and a court rules against Tesla, we'll never actually see an article covering the court dismissing the case. Just like each and every other time that something like this has happened.

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    10. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by whitroth · · Score: 2

      Really? They did that? When and where? Show me something that didn't come out of your own brainwashed imagination... and nothing from Faux News or Dimbart counts.

      Besides, what good would that do, when they can call employees in, individually or in small groups, and threaten that they'll lose their jobs if they vote a union in. You know, like the Gothamist, and the other paper?

      Or like in the South, where a state legislator threatened an auto plant that if they voted to join a union, he'd pass legislation.

      Don't give me crap that the rich told you to believe.

    11. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      On the one hand, people make all sorts of claims about SJWs, and on the other those people accuse lots of people of being SJWs that don't match the claims. The net result is libel.

      The "all whites are racist" stuff belongs to the lunatic fringe. "All whites are privileged" is what you're actually looking at, and that';s pretty much true.

      And then you go and quote some drivel archived from therightstuff.biz.

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    12. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by Z80a · · Score: 2

      A bunch of unprivileged whites did put Trump in power, and if you keep ignoring em, they will do it again.

    13. Re:Racism sucks... fight back by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      "Did they have an easy life?" is not an appropriate question to determine privilege. "Would they have had a harder life if they were black?" is an appropriate question.

      I'm aware that there are a lot of people out there of all skin colors who are having serious problems with life, and that there are many who will vote against their self-interest for a pocketful of sweet lies.

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  2. Uh huh by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So was an Air Force Academy recently until it was found out that the very same person who was pitching a fit about " racism " was also the same person who wrote the slur on the wall to begin with.

    1. Re:Uh huh by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point that just sailed over your head is that we shouldn't take such a claim as true without corroborating evidence.

      You may return to your regular virtue-signaling posturing now.

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    2. Re:Uh huh by quantaman · · Score: 2

      So was an Air Force Academy recently until it was found out that the very same person who was pitching a fit about " racism " was also the same person who wrote the slur on the wall to begin with.

      Possibly, but if it were a fake complaint your evidence would be something that's hard to corroborate like a private conversation or a racist slur written somewhere.

      But this guy alleges employees and supervisors regularly used the "N word" around him and other black colleagues. In other words he's stating there's a bunch of witnesses to multiple incidents, witnesses that can easily back up or refute his story.

      If you were going to invent a claim out of mid air you wouldn't assert a bunch of non-existent witnesses.

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    3. Re:Uh huh by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      How do you think a lawsuit over racism will cause the employees who are being accused of racism to vote to join the UAW?

      Please answer. I'm fairly sure the mental gymnastics required for that leap in logic will be almost as entertaining as the dearly departed Time Cube guy.

    4. Re:Uh huh by sycodon · · Score: 2

      I think every one of the recently and widely publicized racist episodes were indeed fake.

      Banana Peel, "noose" made of a show lace, West Point.

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    5. Re:Uh huh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just check their post history, they think everything is a conspiracy created by Communists/trade unions/leftists. They don't need evidence, commies are everywhere, they infiltrated everything!

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    6. Re:Uh huh by DRJlaw · · Score: 2

      The point that just sailed over your head is that we shouldn't take such a claim as true without corroborating evidence.

      No, the point is a court can't take such as claim as true without corroborating evidence. "We" can take such a claim any way we like, since any presumption that Tesla does not maintain a hostile work environment also lacks corroborating evidence. Once may be an anomaly, twice may be a conspiracy, but thrice or more suggests a real problem.

    7. Re:Uh huh by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or 2.5) The complainant is partially accurate and the problem wasn't as widespread as they implied, and Tesla has already dealt with it but the complainant wants money.

      see sexconker's reply for an answer to you thinking I'm implying an alleged conspiracy.

    8. Re:Uh huh by fodder69 · · Score: 2

      Sigh, as soon as anyone feels the need to throw SJW or MRA in an argument, they instantly lose credibility to me. Doesn't matter what you are arguing cause you are, by definition, employing ad hominem attacks

    9. Re:Uh huh by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      The point that just sailed over your head is that we shouldn't take such a claim as true without corroborating evidence.

      My point was that the immediate dismissing of a claim of racism as made-up is an apologist strategy to defuse any claim of racism whenever it surfaces.

      Anybody who claims anything might be guilty of making it up. That doesn't mean we should ignore people who speak up about their experiences. Current events (not just this one) surrounding Tesla have indicated that there might be some racist elements in their organization. That warrants some attention.

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    10. Re:Uh huh by MrL0G1C · · Score: 2

      The point you've missed is that the original poster is blatantly trying to create a racist stereotype. The replier recognised that.

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    11. Re:Uh huh by mjwx · · Score: 2, Informative

      SJW is at this point a descriptive shorthand as much as it is an insult.

      So it's meaningless, SJW isn't an insult, except to the person who's using it.

      SJW has just become a way of telling us we've said something that has butthurt you and you cant form a rational rebuttal to it. Much the same as "PC", "Leftist", "hater" and other meaningless insults thrown about when you cant argue the point.

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  3. I find this very hard to believe. by jcr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tossing off any racial epithet around here in the silicon valley is likely to make half of the people within earshot fall down in a swoon, and the other half going apeshit over it on twitter within milliseconds. The odds of this allegation turning out to be utter bullshit is approaching unity.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:I find this very hard to believe. by Glarimore · · Score: 2

      I also have know idea if any of what is being alleged is actually true; however, your experience in white collar silicon valley land is most likely different than what happens on a factory production floor (tech company or not).

    2. Re:I find this very hard to believe. by phayes · · Score: 2

      And the victor in today's whataboutism contest is... PopeRatzo!

      Thanks for your contribution, it's really raising the bar in this cesspool known as slashdot...

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    3. Re:I find this very hard to believe. by phayes · · Score: 2

      Well it isn't our respect.

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  4. Re:To be fair.... by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Society itself is a "hotbed for racist behavior".

    Bullshit. Racism is not tolerated in polite society, and nearly all of the racists you can still find are either the handful of nazi wannabes or they're tenured leftards in taxpayer-dependent institutions.

    -jcr

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  5. Re:Part of the recent lay-offs? by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

    was this man simply layed off because of poor performance

    The article says he was let go in October, which is when the layoffs occurred for "performance reasons", so that could be the case.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/1...

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  6. Culpability by ytene · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a human being, I hang my head in shame for the fact that, in the 21st century, we still have to deal with racism. I just wish we could all grow up and behave like the advanced species we claim to be.

    One aspect of this story particularly interests me - and it might be a subtle, legal point - which is: what is/are the responsibilities of "Tesla the Company", with respect to tackling and preventing racism in the workplace?

    I am not for one moment suggesting that the claims of this plaintiff are anything less than genuine. What interests me is: as an employer, where do Tesla's responsibilities stop? Do they have to have anti-racism training for their staff? Do they have to have a grievance procedure? Do they have to have an anonymous whistleblowing program? Are there other things that an employer needs to demonstrate in order to avoid accusations of institutional racism?

    The reason I ask the original question is that it seems to me that we need to understand the difference between "Tesla the Company" and "Tesla's Other Employees". I would be willing to accept the words of the complaint that suggest that some employees at Tesla are out-and-out racists. I would hope that Tesla are doing all they can to identify and expel such people. But does the presence of one or more racist employees at any company mean that the company itself is racist?

    If not, how do we make the differentiation? Is it when 10% of employees are racist? 20%? Is it if the company fails to handle accusations of racism appropriately - and, if so, what does "appropriate handling" need to include?

    This is a sensitive, emotive and hugely important topic for us as a society: it is, perhaps, one of the defining aspects of human history over the last few hundred years, so I think that our response to this - as individuals, employers, colleagues and friends - is hugely important.

    But much as I'm concerned by these claims and would want to see some solid evidence of a reasonable response to them, I'm struggling to make the leap from "a number of employees at Company X demonstrated racist behaviour" as being equal to "Company X is racist".

    Is this reasonable skepticism, or is this splitting hairs that an unethical company would hide behind? Is it fair to make the distinction? What would be the indicators you would look for, in a case like this, before you would conclude that a company was racist?

  7. Re:To be fair.... by markdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >"Society itself is a "hotbed for racist behavior".

    Um, not at all, at least not in the USA. That is a horribly inaccurate generalization. Racism is real, for sure. But it is nowhere near as prevalent as many would assume, and saying otherwise is really just irresponsible. And much of what people label as "racism" isn't at all, it is dislike of observed BEHAVIOR.

    And in the case of Tesla, we have yet to see any real proof of racism. There is a HUGE force (the union) trying to create problems that might not even exist. We need to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions.

  8. Re:I, for one ... by war4peace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes but as a white male you're not entitled to anything, not to mention being offended. Being offended "ist verbotten", so to speak.
    As a Romanian guy, lacking insight into fine points of American culture, I wonder why can black people use the N word freely among themselves, but as soon as a white person uses it, they're screwed to no avail? Up until 2006-2007, I genuinely thought "What's up, N*?" was a normal and expected salute towards a black person, because I've seen it used in movies a lot of times. Boy, was I wrong.

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  9. Unions by ArchieBunker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is coming from the unions who want into the plant. Notice how they are checking every box with race, gender, sexuality? Tesla said no so now the unions file frivolous lawsuits.

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  10. Re:To be fair.... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wouldn't be surprised at all. Seriously, some of the most racist people I know are well intentioned liberal retards who think they are helping black people. Because obviously, black people don't know about cell phones or even where the DMV is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  11. Re:To be fair.... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    We need to keep an open mind and not jump to conclusions.

    You must be new here - welcome to Slashdot!

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  12. Re:To be fair.... by fafalone · · Score: 2

    That's simply not true in the vast majority of the country. It's just hidden. Or did you miss when being clearly racist doesn't even disqualify someone from being president?

  13. I have a question... by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    >> Vaughn alleged that employees and supervisors regularly used the "N word" around him and other black colleagues.

    I wonder what ratio of the employees and supervisors using the N word were also black?

  14. Oblig. Troll.. by SJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Elon was born in Africa, now he's American. Wouldn't that make him an African-American as well?

    1. Re:Oblig. Troll.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Follow up...

      White Guy from Africa: I am African-American
      Black Guy from Ohio: You're not African-American! Your not black!

      Now who's the racist?

  15. Re: To be fair.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You still trying to blame Democrats and liberals because lawsuits in Wisconsin, Alabama, North Carolina, Texas, and Pennsylvania resulted in courts finding the conservative Republican governments in each of those states committed willful and deliberate racial discrimination in order to deter blacks from voting?

    Oh well, I guess you can blame Obama.

    After all, nobody could imagine the DMV being a hotbed of obstructive bureaucracy.

  16. Re:To be fair.... by quantaman · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't be surprised at all. Seriously, some of the most racist people I know are well intentioned liberal retards who think they are helping black people. Because obviously, black people don't know about cell phones or even where the DMV is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    I suppose you can hear that if you really want to... but there's some major slight of hand going on in that video.

    Here's the actual facts:
    1) Voter IDs laws are designed to disenfranchise black people because black people overwhelmingly vote Democrat.
    2) This works because the process required to get a government ID is fairly complicated, and the things that make it complicated tend to correlate with being black, hispanic, poor, or elderly. 3 of those 4 groups that lean Democratic.
    3) States looking to disenfranchise minorities tend to treat their black population worse in general. If they're trying to disenfranchise them with voter ID laws they'll try extra hard to avoid giving them IDs.

    Now here's the first trick the Fox News reporter pulls:

    1) He seeks out a bunch of white undergrads who understand that voter ID laws seek to disenfranchise minorities but they don't fully understand the mechanisms that make it difficult for minorities to obtain IDs for voting.
    2) Next he primes them with answers, for instance one problem with getting ID over the Internet is you may not have the proper documentation. Other than the first guy who talks about access the reporter seems to prime them by talking about access, so predictably they run with the idea that some of the disenfranchised black people have trouble accessing the internet.

    Now, here comes the second trick:

    1) The white undergrads were talking about black people in states targeted by voter ID laws. New York is not one of those states. So many of the fundamental issues like access to ID aren't applicable. Basically he's "debunking" the assertions by talking to a completely different group of people.
    2) Now this one is very subtle but very disingenuous. The white interviewees are talking about the specific subset of black people who are being targeted by the voter ID laws, ie people having trouble obtaining ID. Now the reporter repeats those statements back to individual black people as though they were meant to describe them, the reporter is the one who generalizes the statements and makes them racist.

    And of course you have the fact that he's almost certainly cherry picking a very non-representative sample of interviewees. You should be very skeptical of accepting a heavily edited video as evidence from someone known for deceptively and unethically editing their videos.

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  17. Hotbed of Union Media Slurs more like by seoras · · Score: 2

    Isn't this getting a bit old and lame? All we hear about Tesla here on /. is how they are keeping the unions out and how the are a hive of horrors for workers.
    Can we stop with the propaganda and get back to the techie stuff that keeps us reading here.

  18. Re:To be fair.... by quantaman · · Score: 2

    2) This works because the process required to get a government ID is fairly complicated

    This is pure racist bullshit. You are basically saying that it is so complicated only WHITE people can figure it out. That it is so complicated that Minorities can't figure it out. Queue up "Black people don't know where DMV is" level complicated.

    I'd excuse you as being innocently mistaken... except I cited an entire article that explained the sense in which is was complicated and it certainly wasn't "Black people don't know where DMV is". Among other things they tend not to have the secondary documentation that makes getting an ID easy. It's also talking about the specific subset of people who have trouble getting IDs to vote.

    And of course you have the fact that he's almost certainly cherry picking a very non-representative sample of interviewees.

    Again, that is YOUR assumption. However based on your own response, you committed the very same infractions, you just dressed it up in progressive code language.

    Here is the Progressive Trick, they use code language to call blacks and minorities "stupid" by labeling them all the same based on some hypothetical disenfranchised anecdotal reference.

    This is boring, I've been clear in how the issue is about the specific subset of minorities who can't get IDs, not minorities in general. I've got better things to do they trying to convince you to stop obfuscating my point in a 2 person argument.

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  19. Re:I, for one ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    I don't have time to do a long response now, but okay there needs to be action for oppression, but are you really saying that speech does not often lead to action?

    The law recognises this, e.g. incitement and conspiracy.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC