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'Black Friday Is Dying' (fastcompany.com)

A reader shares a report: For years, Black Friday signaled the beginning of Christmas shopping. The day after Thanksgiving was a frantic day of driving to the store at the crack of dawn to fight off other shoppers for great deals. For people who truly hated the ritual, I have some good news for you: Black Friday is going away. That's according to data from GPShopper, which tracks consumer behavior. It turns out, customers are really not into Black Friday. A full 81% of us feel stress surrounding the notion of Black Friday, and 45% of us believe it is the most stressful time of the year. And with online shopping, consumers are increasingly realizing they don't need to do all their shopping on one day. The majority would prefer to shop in the second week of December. Weirdly, a full 12% of consumers would prefer to shop after Christmas, to capitalize on the post-holiday sales, even though their recipients would get their presents a little late.

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  1. We are going to celebrate Festivus by jabberw0k · · Score: 5, Funny

    on January 6. Problem solved.

    1. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Some christian cultures, celibate Christmas on January 6th, as it is traditionally considered the Epiphany (the time where the 3 Magi had offered the gifts of Gold, Incense and Muir) so the aspect of sharing gifts during this time seems more appropriate.

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    2. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      >celibate Christmas

      Admittedly it's mostly a cheery-but-sombre holiday and usually focused on the kids... but if it's going celibate I'm not going to observe Christmas any longer!

    3. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by TWX · · Score: 2

      Maybe they pooled resources and several kicked-in money to buy one gift.

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    4. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Funny

      No idea but I'm pretty sure it will be integrated into the next version of systemd.

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    5. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Russian Orthodox as well.

      I always thought there were advantages to living in a multi cultural environment - Regular Christmas, Russian / Eastern Orthodox Christmas, Hanukah, Solstice and probably a couple of others.

      Be sure and collect them all!

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    6. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      Then there was that one Magi who said "Hey, can I sign my name on the card and say that myrrh is from me too?"

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    7. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      Honestly, the only reason Chanukah is such a big deal for Jews is that Christmas is around the same time and Jewish kids wanted to get presents also. So the "8 days of presents" was invented. You're not really supposed to give gifts on Chanukah. Actually, our gift giving holiday is Purim (around March) where we dress in costumes, give gifts, and are religiously commanded to get drunk.

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    8. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by omnichad · · Score: 2

      (around March) where we dress in costumes....and are religiously commanded to get drunk.

      I thought that was an Irish Catholic holiday.

    9. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure the song 'Oh cum all ye faithful' has that covered.

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    10. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by i286NiNJA · · Score: 2

      Actually, our gift giving holiday is Purim (around March) where we dress in costumes, give gifts, and are religiously commanded to get drunk.

      I didn't know about this but I'm going to start doing this with my girlfriend. We can take the day off, get drunk, and exchange little gifts. March needs a holiday badly and I love drinking.

    11. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      (the time where the 3 Magi had offered the gifts of Gold, Incense and Muir)

      The scripture does not specify a number of Magi, it only specifies a number of gifts. It is implied that there were more than one, but how many more is not stated. Could one Magi have brought multiple gifts? Could multiple Magi have brought the same gift?

      There are 3 in the nativity, it has to be true. It's right there in the Town Square!

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    12. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Actually, our gift giving holiday is Purim (around March) where we dress in costumes, give gifts, and are religiously commanded to get drunk.

      Sounds like being Jewish is more fun. So can just anyone sign up?

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    13. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      In all seriousness, when it comes to conversion, Judaism is the exact opposite of evangelical Christianity. Where evangelicals will go out and try to convert all non-believers, Jews push potential converts away. (This comes from the story of Ruth where Naomi was heading back to Israel after the death of her sons. Her non-Israelite daughters-in-law wanted to come but she refused three times. One daughter-in-law returned to her parents, but Ruth persisted and stayed with Naomi.) We will turn potential converts away three times before accepting them. Once accepted as a potential convert, you must then go through intensive study sessions. This weeds out those who aren't serious about converting. At the end of the conversion, any males who are converting need to be circumcised - or have blood drawn if they're already circumcised. (To forestall a side argument: I'm well aware that many people oppose circumcision. I'm just mentioning it here as a fact of current Jewish practice - not a value judgement of "this is the right thing to do.") Women just get dunked in a ritual bath.

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    14. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      (the time where the 3 Magi had offered the gifts of Gold, Incense and Muir)

      The scripture does not specify a number of Magi, it only specifies a number of gifts. It is implied that there were more than one, but how many more is not stated. Could one Magi have brought multiple gifts? Could multiple Magi have brought the same gift?

      There are 3 in the nativity, it has to be true. It's right there in the Town Square!

      Someone should ask Santa, he was there. On December 24th of the year 1, he delivered the baby Jesus. Then they rode away on the back of a dinosaur I'm told.

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    15. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by haruchai · · Score: 2

      on January 6. Problem solved.

      I have very close Ukrainian friends with whom I've spent Xmas several times which is on Jan 7th. So anything I buy for them is at a discount.

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    16. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Not sure I'm ready for that much commitment. I think I'll just get drunk that day and call it good.

      On another note, I just picked up the 3 books of yours I could find on Amazon. Look forward to reading them. From the plot summery they look interesting.

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    17. Re:We are going to celebrate Festivus by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      I looked up your book and clicked on the Author name and the top 3 books are by "Jason Levine." Oh well. I've added all 3 to my to be read pile. All 3 of them look interesting.

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  2. Good. by mcmonkey · · Score: 2

    SSIA.

  3. Not a very good poll by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Black Friday was never a majority event. It was always a dedicated minority who were either looking for great deals or just had nothing better to do that day. I think most people always hated it. Online shopping just gave them another way to shop, instead of just avoiding the mall that day.

    1. Re:Not a very good poll by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Black Friday is for the extroverts, who wants to feel the rush of the season hit them like a brick, be around people and come up with what seems to be interesting stories to tell people.

      Still even before the days of online shopping, a lot of people would do their shopping after a couple of weeks after black Friday where the stock has been replenished, and the crowds are more festive, and less aggressive.

      I think part of the problem today, is that the stores have been aggressive in their sales and marketing, so people feel like they will need to rush in and purchase before it is sold out and the deal is no longer available, so this had changed from a time of high volume sales, to an aggressive competition to win the shopping game and get the best deal ever.

      Because the #1 American sin is to purchase something that isn't the best value. Why do you think people are so angry at the $1000 iPhone, it is because they want it or something similar to it, but cannot justify the cost especially compared to its competition, they can afford it, but it isn't the best deal. And if they get it then they have made a bad purchasing decision. Which is really Bad! Even though the product may bring enjoyment to their lives for a good deal of time.

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    2. Re:Not a very good poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The one and only time I stood in a Black Friday sale line was in 1998. Zelda:OOT had been released on Tuesday for pre-orders, but wasn't available to walk-ins until Friday. The local Target store had 17 copies in stock. I showed up at 6:00 AM for a store-opening of 7:00 AM. There were maybe a dozen people in line, and I took my place. Everyone else was hyped up about winning a car or something. The first 25 people would get a key that might (but probably wouldn't) start that car! By the time the doors opened, there were probably 300 people lined up to the far end of the building. I ran past the guy handing out keys, made a beeline for electronics, got my copy of Zelda, and got back to the checkout line and got the hell out of there before true insanity took over. There were still 100+ people in line, slowly inching their way into the store as I left.

      I beat the Deku Tree dungeon before I went to work that morning. Never did finish the game. Got bored with it around the time I got to the Shadow Temple. It's not my favorite Zelda game, not by a long shot. (Unintentional Zelda joke!)

    3. Re:Not a very good poll by bws111 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You are off by decades. The term 'black Friday' was used starting in the 60s. It was used not by the retailers, but the police, who used it to describe the incredible traffic jams and crowds that occurred on that day. The day after Thanksgiving crowds were already a thing in the 1950s. It was indeed 'a whole big thing' way back then. I don't know when the special sales started, but they were certainly in place when I worked at a department store in the 70s. We had to be there at 4AM to retag all the merchandise before the store opened at 6AM (instead of the usual 10AM),

    4. Re:Not a very good poll by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      Because the #1 American sin is to purchase something that isn't the best value. Why do you think people are so angry at the $1000 iPhone, it is because they want it or something similar to it, but cannot justify the cost especially compared to its competition, they can afford it, but it isn't the best deal. And if they get it then they have made a bad purchasing decision. Which is really Bad! Even though the product may bring enjoyment to their lives for a good deal of time.

      I understand what you are saying, but "best value" is an interesting turn of phrase because, for example, you are suggesting that a $1000 is the best "value."

      These people don't care about value, they care about impressing their friends with the latest gadgets from the top name brands.... impressing their friends is more important than value; elevating themselves in their own mind is the priority... the psychology is that owning something better somehow makes them better. The short term elation is more important than that long term satisfaction of actually getting something that is the best value.

      There's also, especially for younger people, the need to fit in. My daughter wants an iPhone because her friends have iPhones. My elderly mom is the same way - what they say about older people acting more like children is absolutely true; my dad called and asked which tablet he should get my mom. When I suggested a middle of the road model that should have been more than good enough, he said it had to be an iPad model because that's what her friend had.

      IMO, the best "value" right now are several year old models that are less than half the price of the new ones which have merely incrementally improved features. Even then, though, the best "value" depends on some interpretation... it could be "the best value for $X," and people value certain features over others. For me, for example, they all have "good enough" cameras... I don't need more megapixels. I don't care about the speaker sound quality when I listen to all my music with headphones or Bluetooth. Value is in the eye of the beholder, but it's pretty universally agreed that, largely, the newest versions of electronics items have a premium just for being new, which makes their "value" terrible.

      I suppose a lot of people value status symbols, and maybe that makes an iPhone X "valuable." I appreciate these people - they are what make the older phones much better values for people like me.

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  4. Weirdly? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    >Weirdly, a full 12% of consumers would prefer to shop after Christmas, to capitalize on the post-holiday sales, even though their recipients would get their presents a little late.

    That's not weird. The whole thing is stupidly inefficient - the stores have to stock up and get temporary workers for a month or so, customers have to cram into those stores during that month, and a premium is put on everything to cover the extra expenses plus the whole 'this could be it until next December' mentality.

    On the other hand, I'm pretty much done with the whole 'consume consume consume' thing. Neither I nor any of my family or friends NEED anything, and we have everything we could reasonably want. None of us are starving. None of us lack a book to read or a game to play.

    A gift is something I have to find space for in my house. A gift is something I'm going to think about how wasteful it was to have produced, shipped, and eventually recycled (or thrown in the dump).

    At best (or worst?) I just want to get a little token trinket for someone, and fighting traffic and a crowded mall just to pay a premium for one doesn't appeal. And all the stores around here do 'Boxing Week' sales, with big bargain-hunting crowds pretty much fading in the first day. Damn right I'm going shopping after Christmas, at least for those I won't see until January anyway.

    1. Re:Weirdly? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gifts can simply be food or wine or something like that. Most sensible adults give those type of gifts when giving to other adults.

    2. Re:Weirdly? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Newsflash: most people are not Christians.

      There are two Christmases - ecclesiastical and secular. One's about going to church to hear about Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, and the other is about telling kids a magic fat man is watching them and will sneak presents into their home if they're good, erecting a Christmas tree, putting lights up on your house, having a few lunch or dinner parties, and exchanging gifts.

      I know atheists (hi there!), Jews, and Muslims who all celebrate the secular version of Christmas to varying degrees. It's just a winter solstice celebration, and in a northern climate you want one of those when things are grey and dreary.

    3. Re:Weirdly? by ranton · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gifts can simply be food or wine or something like that. Most sensible adults give those type of gifts when giving to other adults.

      This is why my wife and I are happy not giving each other gifts for events in the traditional sense. I may never buy her a piece of jewelry or clothing during our entire marriage, unless we are both shopping together. But we do get tickets to theater or sporting events near birthdays and anniversaries as a present to ourselves. This makes holidays and other special events far less stressful.

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    4. Re:Weirdly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fuck you Dad, I want more stuff. Stop telling me what I need and don't need because you're fucking cheap.

    5. Re:Weirdly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hanukkah is just the Jewish Christmas. Instead of an old Pagan figure you have a big ball of matzo cruising around in a Mercedes.

    6. Re:Weirdly? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      You know, as a kid I didn't understand that Hanukkah and Christmas were different holidays. Then as I got older I came to understand the difference.

      Then I got older still... it turns out kid me was onto something because yep, it's a celebration held close enough to the winter solstice. The supposed reason doesn't really matter when it boils down to the same time of year and underlying purpose (family / friend / clan /whatever bonding).

      It's not what I meant when I said I knew Jews and Muslims who celebrate Christmas, though. I meant the exchanging of gifts, the seasonal dinner parties, colourful lights on the houses, etc. Even taking the kids to see Santa (really!). It's not a Christian holiday any more unless you want it to be. I know I'm not a Christian, and I certainly celebrate the secular Christmas.

    7. Re:Weirdly? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go to your damn room, and no backtalk or I'll take away your video games.

      And what the hell were we even thinking, naming you "Anonymous Coward"? It's at times like this I wish your mother swallowed.

    8. Re:Weirdly? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I'm Jewish and our "Christmas" celebration is seeing the latest Star Wars movie and then going out for Chinese food. Much better than any red-suited home invader any day!

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    9. Re:Weirdly? by lgw · · Score: 2

      If you have any sort of salaried professional job, then "having everything you want" is mostly a matter of adjusting your wants. (Not to minimize the ruinous cost of Exchange health care plans in the states where there's only one provider left - those can screw anyone).

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  5. think for yourself by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's clear to me that the very wrong time to shop is the time that they *think* you are shopping. The real key to get good deals is to follow your own pattern and not the pattern set up by corporations.

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  6. Well yeah... we wait till Cyber Monday. by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would we stand in line to spend money in person when we can spend less online for the same stuff three days later?

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  7. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pretty sure the OP meant "minority" the mathematical sense - "the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole" rather than referring to the standard US understanding of racial minorities.

    Good job going off half-cocked, though!

  8. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you use the term "dedicated minority", are you referring to African Americans and Hispanic Americans?

    I'm pretty certain he meant uninformed tight-arses, not a specific race.

    The kind of people who don't realise two things.
    1. There is a time cost. Spending 6 hours to save 20% often isn't worth it. Not to mention the cost of fuel.
    2. Prices are raised in preparation for the holiday sales, then dropped less than that amount for black Friday.

    Savvy people buy this stuff off peak when meaningful discounts are offered to keep stock moving (January or just before the end of the financial year in your nation). Many of us have just given up on stores entirely because we get better prices online. Especially for stuff that goes into stupid prices around Christmas like toys and games, what little of this I had to buy for relatives, I bought months ago.

    Fairly certain a savvy black or Latino would have done the same thing. I'm not smart because I'm white, I'm smart because I actually thought about things and planned ahead.

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  9. 'Black Friday is Dying' by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And nothing of value was lost.

  10. Re: Black Friday is growing, not dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    #BlackFridaysMatter

  11. Skipping Christmas is not "weird" by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's sensible.

    Who in their right mind would WANT to go buy stuff at the same time everyone else does? Whether that's Black Friday or Christmas in general. If anything, online shopping will do, but I will certainly NOT spend my time in a warehouse around this time of the year.

    First, the obvious: It's a surefire way to get sick. And I'm not even talking about the thousands of people who can't be assed to cover their snouts when sneezing or coughing. It's the insane temperature differences that kill me. Outside it's freezing. So you dress appropriately. But shops feel that compelling urge to turn their sales floor into a Finnish sauna. So you're sweating like a pig. Only to go back outside to be frozen solid. Abso-fucking-lutely great for your health.

    Then a billion people pushing carts and throwing stuff about. with at least as many tripping hazards in tow called children. But dare to punt one of those little pests out of the way. Loud, obnoxious and, not least for the aforementioned sweating, smelling like a rotten egg sandwich.

    And finally, when you think you ALMOST made it to the end, the inevitable line before the cashiers. A million people lined up in front of ONE SINGLE DAMN checkout booth. Staffed with the trainee, of course, so you have plenty of time to decide you absolutely need one of the impulse buy items, accompanied by the sweet sound of whistle buys that throw tantrums because their parents refuse to buy said impulse items.

    You really want to know why we are fed up with this? Are you seriously asking?

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  12. Re:It's dying because the sales aren't very good by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is no room to slash prices anymore. Competition is so stiff that the margins are already razor thin. In the pre-internet times stores could easily afford slashing 20% because of their 40% profit margins, but today?

    Which is GOOD. Instead of being gouged the whole year, you get a better price now all year long.

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  13. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Black Friday was never a majority event. It was always a dedicated minority who were either looking for great deals or just had nothing better to do that day.

    When you use the term "dedicated minority", are you referring to African Americans and Hispanic Americans?

    No, we're referring to the dedicated idiots living in tent city outside a Best Buy for a week to get $150 off a TV. That kind of stupidity is not bound by race.

    It's also rather disrespectful for you to say that they "have nothing better to do that day". They most likely would rather be working one or more of their multiple jobs, trying desperately to make ends meet.

    Really? Most of the shit I see the Black Friday dedicated idiots standing in line for is not what poverty would define as "essential", so spare me the rhetoric about making ends meet. If they were that desperate, they wouldn't be giving up 3 days worth of income to stand in line for a fucking video game console.

    Poverty means you're shopping at the second-hand store, garage sales, or goodwill, which will always beat the shit out of any store sale, and certainly doesn't require anyone to wait for Black Friday.

  14. "45% of us believe" by Nutria · · Score: 2

    That would be 90% of women, and 0% of men.

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  15. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by gfxguy · · Score: 2

    It doesn't matter that it's mostly(*) cheap crap. If a laptop is otherwise not affordable to someone, and they can find a full Windows laptop for $130 (that's an actual Dell deal on an existing model this year, not a made up cheap crap model) that their kids can do homework on, that they can do online banking and job searches on, then it's still worth it.

    (*) It's true that the majority of offers, especially on electronics, seem to be for items that are not normally available at those stores from manufacturers whose names you never heard (or are already known for making cheap crap), and even "real" manufacturers who've made some cheap junk for "door busters," but there are deals to be had. I've participated in BF when there was actually something I had my eye on that was going to be significantly cheaper. There are good deals on things besides electronics. I've never waited over night, or in a tent city, but often retailers are inclined to offer something to compete with the likes of Best Buy and Walmart just to get people in the door.

    I still participate, too - but from the comfort of my computer chair. I'd been wanting to switch mobile carriers and did it on BF a couple of years ago, getting excellent deals on new phones for the family (which served as their main Christmas presents).

    Now I need to wonder why people "stress" about it. If the vast majority of us don't participate (I've only done it a couple of times), then why would we stress? There's something seriously wrong with the American psyche... too many people stress about unimportant things like this. If you work in retail and are actually "forced" to work Thanksgiving, or any time over that weekend, I can see that as being stressful.... but that's not 80% of us. And, for the record, I've worked on Thanksgiving and didn't stress about it (I work in television). The police are still working; many people at the big game (whichever one you want to watch) are working - security, ticketing, concessions, cleaning staff, the people setting up and maintaining the field and equipment, and the players - all working for your pleasure on Thanksgiving (and don't forget us TV folks who are broadcasting it to you - not just the director and camera operators, there's a lot more people involved than most people know). Police are working, fire fighters are working, the news people in all media are working, hospital staff is working, people making sure you have the electric to watch the big game and cook your Thanksgiving dinner are working.... it's actually quite a large list, and nobody seems to give a crap about them.

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  16. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by gnick · · Score: 2

    And all of those "poor" people don't seem to have any problem finding plenty of money to buy liquor, cigarettes, lottery tickets, crack, weed and other "necessities".

    You seem to know a lot about "all of those 'poor' people." Don't believe everything you read on Breitbart.

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  17. Re: Black Friday is growing, not dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    #AllFridaysMatter

  18. Re:"dedicated minority" meaning African Americans? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    I thought it was called Black Friday because it was the day that the accounts of most retail companies would no longer be "in the red". Referring to accounting practice of marking losses/profits in ledgers in red/black ink.

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  19. It's there own fault... by superdave80 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They basically made Black Friday disappear when they decided that Friday at 5:00 a.m, juuuuuust wasn't quite early enough. So it became 4 a.m.. Then the next store thought, I better open at midnight to beat every body else! Then it started to run into Thanksgiving time, which nobody really wanted. It's the old story of killing the goose that laid the golden egg.