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Companies Wake Up To the Problem of Bullies At Work (wsj.com)

Reader cdreimer writes: According to a report in The Wall Street Journal (possibly paywalled), two-thirds of Americans have reported being bullied in the workplace in the last year (up from half in 1989) and boorish behavior by bosses and coworkers are causing companies in lost productivity. The report reads: One of the first things visitors notice when they enter the Irvine, Calif., offices of Bryan Cave LLP is the granite plaque etched with the law firm's 10-point code of civility. The gray slab, displayed in the law firm's reception area, proclaims that employees always say please and thank you, welcome feedback and acknowledge the contributions of others. Such rules may seem more at home in a kindergarten than a law firm, but Stuart Price, a longtime partner, says they serve as a daily reminder to keep things civil at work. Incivility -- and its more extreme cousin, bullying -- is becoming a bigger problem in workplaces. Nearly two-thirds of Americans reported that they were bullied at work last year, up from roughly half of workers in 1998, according to research conducted by Christine Porath, a management professor at Georgetown University's McDonough School of Business. These people reported they were "treated rudely at least once a month" by bosses or co-workers in the past year -- which Prof. Porath defined as being bullied.Bullying costs companies in ways large and small, cutting into productivity and turning off customers, management experts say. Workplace behavior is under the microscope after recent allegations of sexual harassment in Hollywood, technology and media. Some companies have found, as a result of investigations into harassment claims, that bullying and boorish behavior are more common than suspected.

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  1. Lies, damn lies, statistics by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "treated rudely at least once a month" by bosses or co-workers in the past year -- which Prof. Porath defined as being bullied.

    That explains the ridiculous result right there. In other words, a load of garbage.

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    1. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      [rolls eyes]

      Ok, wow....just....wow.

      The snowflakes have really come into full bloom.

      I mean, someone being rude or not saying thank you, is now bullying????

      I mean, I actually try myself, to be the friendliest, easiest going and helpful person at work.

      But every once in awhile, we're all human, and some idiot (and yes, they *do* exist) does something to fsck up a conference with all the bosses on, or messes up a systems doing stupid shit, and well....you just hit your boiling point and perhaps are a tad less than polite....now, you are considered a bully and subject to HR??

      You know..often, by doing this, you are leaving the stupid folks around and getting rid of the smart employees, that actually have zeal and passion for their job and their work (hence they lose it occasionally when blocked with idiocy).

      And then they wonder....why is productivity and innovation going down?

      You know, I've been asking for years what will happen when all the kids that got a trophy just for showing up get into the work force.

      I had originally thought they'd have to learn some tough life lessons and adapt to adult life.

      Instead, it appears the workplace is caving and worrying more about feelings, safe places, diversity and so forth than they do about WORK and winning in the market.

      At least..if the definition of bullying is brought down to this level....ugh.

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    2. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by dszd0g · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. Someone who defines bullying as rude behavior has never actually experienced bullying. I can deal with a few rude coworkers. One actual bully would be enough for me to leave a job.

      Physical violence, physical intimidation, or threats of physical violence is definitely bullying. Bullying can be verbal, but that is harder to define. Verbal bullying can take the form of a boss or coworker yelling, swearing at, and insulting someone. For example, if you go into work every day and have your boss yell at you saying that you are a f***ing idiot and can't do anything right, I would classify that boss as a bully.

      Having coworkers fail to say please and thank you is definitely not bullying.

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    3. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      My usual trick to is so what no Slashdot troll would ever expect and read TFA, but in this case it's paywalled. I say we ban paywalled articles.

      Thanks for flagging this one up.

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    4. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Really? YOu never worked with assholes, insane psychopathic VPs or project managers, or coworkers who shout loud how they love pussy and picking girls while you and your whole department look bad?

      I don't believe you. I experienced it all and I guess unless I did programming (I was dumb enough to listen to slashdotters 15 years ago say India would take my jobs so drop computer science) and went into a more high demand field I can't do jack about it like 90% of most people.

      We have bills to pay. I have quit one job and almost quit another or was almost fired depending on who you talk to for political reasons on pissing contests for things above my head.

      Work can really suck man.

      Also those who work with customers and or clients know they can be assholes too because they have you by the balls. You say NO they call your bosses boss and ask for a new employee. Since they are the customer you are fired as they are God since they have gold who can make the rules.

      I find this hard to believe I am an outliner in this as bullies in the playground as a child stay bullies in the workplace. The trick is to grow a pair of balls and take it so they go after someone else in a position of weakness

    5. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What you are talking about is a hostile work environment.

      You do not need that to be bullied. I see people going out of their way above your heads to get fired, work sabotage, those laughing and humiliating you in front of coworkers, and even customers.

      I have seen managers give me 80 hours a week of work at me and laugh because they think it's funny and mention I know you are not good standing with your boss. Do this or I will call him etc. The work didn't even need to be done. This was very bad as it was constant and was done to fuck with me.

      These can all be bullying. NO snowflake as not everyone has the ability to quit bad environments like this. I went on medication and therapy from that job.

      Thankfully the assholes left after 2 years but the damage it done to my reputation was irreparable and after I had experience on my resume I was happy to leave.

    6. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your examples are also very direct. Let's not forget those people who gaslight, steal credit, spread rumours, and otherwise attempt to subtly sabotage your career.

      You don't even need to be present to be bullied.

    7. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      I disagree. I urge you to consider the feelings of the victims of real bullying, whose experiences you demean and trivialize by equating them with simple rudeness.

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    8. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      You're mistaking the definition of bullying for the measures taken to avoid it. There's an office code of civility that is intended to create an atmosphere that discourages bullying. If bullying costs productivity, and in my experience it does, then trying to avoid it is a very reasonable thing to do.

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    9. Re: Lies, damn lies, statistics by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      TFS said nothing about a moment of rudeness. It said monthly for a year. If your boss is rude to you once or twice, that doesn't count. It has to be a pattern.

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    10. Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics by cthulhu11 · · Score: 2

      I've experience several of the above myself; in one case the manager was complicit with the perp and I had to leave. In the other the perp was used to stack ranking and was given a promotion; I had to find a different group to work with.

      My current company has explicit anti-bullying policies. Mostly it works, but with some individuals it's still there.

      One correlation is that often but not always the perps have purchased graduate degrees.

  2. My experience of workplace bullying by Andy+Smith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (This is a repost of a comment from a previous bullying discussion.)

    If you've experienced workplace bullying first hand then you know what a destructive force it is. Your workplace becomes a place of dread and fear. The stress becomes not just a part of your daily life, but a part of who you are as a person. It changes you.

    My own experience of being bullied began when I took a job with a company that had just promoted a long-standing employee in to a management position. He had no experience of managing people, he received no training, and he openly said that he didn't want the job. He was visibly stressed almost constantly, and resented that he was still expected to work and not just manage other people's work.

    Very early in the job I was shouted at in the middle of a busy office for completing a task that should have been cancelled. It was a foul-mouthed and very personal tirade of abuse, accusing me of being untrustworthy, and came totally out of the blue. Then my manager realised that he had forgotten to mark the task as cancelled, and quietly in a private room away from other staff, he apologised and promised never to speak to me like that in front of people again.

    The details of bullying incidents are generally repetitive and boring, so suffice to say, this was just the beginning of what became regular abuse: Shouted at in the middle of the office for things I had allegedly done wrong, and then apologised to in private.

    I put up with the abuse for way too long. I'd spoken to my union rep and kept a bullying diary as advised, but I never started a grievance procedure. Colleagues said I should, and one day I ended up talking to the company secretary about it, but I backed off, determined to resolve the issue myself. Ultimately, I told myself, this is a case of two grown men having a clash of personalities, and I should be able to resolve it. But of course I couldn't.

    After about a year I had to take time off work for an unconnected health reason, which seemed to go on a lot longer than one might expect. After a week back at work, I was off again with flu, which seemed to go on forever. My doctor was puzzled and I was sent to the hospital for tests. But in conversation with my doctor one time I mentioned about how it was actually quite nice to be off work because it was an escape from the bullying, and it was as if I'd said the magic word. My doctor was certain that the stress of being bullied was the root cause of my poor health. It explained everything. It turns out that a year of sleepless nights and constant anxiety isn't very good for you.

    When I finally had to take formal action against my manager, the company was combative, and handled it on the basis that I was making it all up. I opted for the least "official" form of grievance, third-party arbitration, and my manager held his hands up to what he'd been doing and promised to change. Whether he could or not, I don't know, as I've not been well enough to return to work yet.

    (Iâ(TM)ve since left that job and my career has gone from strength to strength ever since.)

    1. Re: My experience of workplace bullying by Andy+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative

      In theory I agree 100% and Iâ(TM)d say the same thing. In practice itâ(TM)s different.

    2. Re:My experience of workplace bullying by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's there any possibility of a good outcome of you do that? I can think of only bad ones.

      - You get fired, now you need a new job fast and won't have a good reference from your previous employer, plus stress and potential relocation.

      - It escalates the situation and it gets worse.

      - The boss backs down but your working relationship is destroyed, and you may well get some kind of retaliation like a poor review or bad assignments.

      This is why there are employment laws, arbitration and HR procedures. It's not your fault, it's the boss' fault and you shouldn't be disadvantaged or negatively affected by it.

      Unfortunately it can be hard to come forward about bullying, because of shame or fear, and when people do the response can be inadequate. But it's absolutely the right way to handle it.

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    3. Re:My experience of workplace bullying by Arzaboa · · Score: 2

      I've seen it done to others and experienced it myself. It is sometimes very hard to determine exactly what harassment is, especially when the boss picks out one or two people and only treats them badly.

      One manager I had, harassed many of us, but ultimately was let go only after sexual harassment claims. My coworkers could see what he was doing, but pinning down exactly what he was doing was nearly impossible. The c-suite knew him longer than most of us, and just figured it was a bad fit for the first 20 or so that moved through his group. It took multiple sexual harassment claims for them to finally tell him to move on. 20 careers were severely disrupted in the meantime.

      I learned the hard way that our laws for employment don't mean much on the back-end. I couldn't find a lawyer that would talk to me about anything that went on without putting up a retainer so large it never would have made sense. I searched the country for anyone that would help. The answer from all of them was basically, "these cases drag on for years, its their word vs. yours and rarely does anyone win."

      I still don't know what could have been done in the first place as I look back. Regardless, I've learned and am extremely picky now for anyone I work for, probably to my detriment.

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    4. Re: My experience of workplace bullying by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Thanks. You are right, and the health issues come on so slowly that it's usually too late by the time you even notice them.

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  3. This Just In ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two thirds of American's are little bitches.

  4. USA contrasted with... by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Spain, where they have clearly defined legal definitions of what constitutes work place bullying. They also have industrial tribunals with the power to fine companies and award substantial compensation to victims (tens of thousands of euros) for letting work place bullying going unaddressed. For an employee to pursue a tribunal for bullying against their employer is also free, recognising the fact that things have to get really bad before the vast majority of employees will consider legal action.

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    1. Re:USA contrasted with... by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Informative

      I live in the USA and you're mostly treated as a disposable liability. It's sad how in America they pay lip service to making workplaces safer and friendlier but they only do this to comply with some law, regulation, or trend. It's all token. Any time you take any action, it's assumed that you're the problem child. Not good at all.

    2. Re:USA contrasted with... by WrongMonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Spain also has an unemployment rate 4 times higher than the US and about half the GDP per capita.

    3. Re:USA contrasted with... by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      asset

      An asset is not a person. It's a thing. A resource. A human resource, which can be leveraged and used up.

      I'd love to see more places go back to personnel offices and staff support offices. I'd love to hear companies speak of employees like something other than a lump of coal to be tossed into the boiler.

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  5. Rudeness is not bullying by XXongo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Yeah, I'll have to agree. I am a great advocate of being courteous to others, and particularly to the people you have to work with.

    But, "being treated rudely at least once a month" is NOT the same as being bullied.

  6. Re:Is this really new? by xevioso · · Score: 2

    Define "toxic". I have worked in numerous environments where superiors were blunt, curt, and insistent. That could easily be interpreted as rude behavior by some, but in many environments that increases productivity by "encouraging" people to be more efficient and more productive. Steve Jobs was famous for being someone unfun to work with.

  7. Get Even by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're getting legit bullied by an entrenched malicious psychopath or sadist, don't go to HR. They're in management's pocket and probably know the person is a SOB anyway. Get a body cam. Record that motherfucker. Create a montage of his or her patterned behavior. When you've had enough, make it understood that social media is a very powerful tool.

    1. Re:Get Even by orgelspieler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      HR's job is to protect the company, not the employee (despite what they tell you). Normally getting rid of the complainer takes less paperwork than getting rid of the perpetrator. Either way the short-term problem gets solved.

  8. Whining can be bullying too... by Karmashock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People that are prone to be sensitive and have increased leverage for political correctness reasons are themselves frequently bullies. Anyone that has been 6 years old will remember the child that cried to get another child in trouble. Anyone that watches sports will be aware that on occasion someone will pretend to be injured to encourage a referee to punish the opposing team.

    We all know this because I assume we've all been 6 before and are aware of professional sports to some extent.

    This plays out in the work place in much the same manner in that some people will pretend offense or emotional injury for personal gain or to spite someone they don't like.

    There is a movement to discourage awareness of this element of the work place. And while some feel this creates a more welcoming environment for people to express problems... it also encourages abuse by those that don't mind pretending to manipulate their coworkers and employers.

    One must be skeptical and reasonable either way. If you get a report... use your best judgement and try to appreciate what is possible and what you know. Naturally you don't want a hostile work environment. But you also don't want a hair trigger whine fest environment because that is also quite hostile.

    In the one case you have some bully beating people up for their lunch money... in the other case you have your little sister Susie pretending some imaginary offense to get your mom to punish you... yes... I am intentionally using childish analogies here to get the point across.

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  9. Re:Is this really new? by war4peace · · Score: 2

    The definition of "bullying" apparently meaning "being treated rudely at least once a month", with "rudely" apparently meaning "not saying thank you".

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  10. Pineapple on Pizza by Zorro · · Score: 2

    I mean REALLY Evil.

    The most EVIL of all the Pizza toppings including the dreaded Anchovy.

  11. Re:Is this really new? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just because abusing people has benefits for the company doesn't make it right. The kind of environment you describe treats employees as disposable tools.

    If also point out that it didn't prevent major gaffes at Apple anyway. It makes you wonder if engineers knew about things like the iPhone 4 antenna but didn't want to tell Jobs for fear of his reaction.

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  12. Re:Is this really new? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

    There was one person in my company who I didn't report directly to, but who would publicly and loudly berate his staff whenever they did anything wrong. Messed up in any way? He'd loudly yell at you so that everyone could hear. I always dreaded when I had to deal with him out of fear of getting the treatment despite not reporting to him. I'd define that as a toxic work environment. Screw ups happen and sometimes an employee needs to be taken to task for it. But doing it as loudly and publicly as you can shows either a lack of basic empathy or a lack of caring about your employees.

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  13. Re:Standard for bullying by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Informative

    Bullying, at least the schoolyard kind, has also spiked because of social media. When I was in high school, I was bullied mercilessly. A group of kids would follow me around taunting me and blocking my entrance to class. Individually, they would leave me alone, but in groups they got brave. This might not seem like much, but repeat this after every class. Every day. For three and a half years. I was getting paranoid to the point that I thought anyone who laughed was laughing at me. I never contemplated suicide or lashing out with mass violence, but had things tipped one way or another I can, in hindsight, see how it could have led there. (A friend of mine finally talked to them and they claimed they didn't realize what they were doing was hurting me because they were "just having fun.") The one solace I had during this time was that I would be left alone once I stepped off the bus and entered my house. The bullies couldn't reach me there. I was safe.

    Fast forward to today. My son is entering high school. If he were to encounter a similar bullying group, the bullies could "follow him home" via social media. They could taunt him online or, if he's not on social media (which he isn't yet), they could set up fake pages purporting to be him and posting messages intended to embarrass him. Bullies today can wipe away any safe space that a bullying victim has and make their torment 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. This means the bullying victim can reach the "lash out violently" or "kill themselves" point much quicker - especially if the taunting includes the bullies "having fun" by telling their victim to kill themselves.

    Then there's the higher prevalence of reporting bullying. When I was in high school, my options to respond to my bullying were "shut up and take it" or "punch the bullies." They outnumbered me so I figured that fighting them would only wind up, at worst, with me beaten up and taunted for it or, at best, sent to the principals office (and taunted for that). So I kept quiet and took the abuse. Today, bullying is recognized much more as an issue and more outreach is done to let victims know they have a third option of telling an adult who can handle the situation.

    I'll agree that the idea of "microaggressions" is garbage, but that isn't the only source for the spike in the rate of bullying.

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  14. Re:'Alpha' virtue by pots · · Score: 2

    Blaming such a large cultural shift on our presidents seems unfounded. Rather, you should probably blame our presidents on a cultural shift.

  15. Re:What absolute bollocks. by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    Very aggressive statement you made there. I'm frankly feeling a little bullied by you right now... this is not feeling like a safe environment.

    Please watch your tone. You words scare me.

    And if you don't find that credible... consider that you're arguing against yourself.

    Its heads I'm right or tales you've contradicted yourself.

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  16. Re:Standard for bullying by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You think a group of kids following someone around and taunting them is a "microaggression"? A microaggression is "brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioral, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial slights and insults toward people of color."

    These kids weren't just shouting one insult as they passed by me one or two times in the halls. They would follow me no matter where I went. If I tried to lose them in the crowd, they'd stick with me and taunt me for trying to get away. When they didn't follow me, they would go to my next class (which meant they needed to know my schedule) and would block my entry (letting other kids through). While I tried to push past them, they'd verbally abuse me more. They would do this EVERY day between EVERY class for three and a half years. That's classic bullying behavior, not saying something that was insulting to me without realizing it. For all their "we were just having fun" claims after the fact, they KNEW they were targeting me for abuse and actively engaged in this behavior.

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  17. Re:Cheers by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Implying I don't understand it?

    Not sure I have the time to write it alldown: But here's a taste.
    I was an effeminate boy child. Silky hair, delicate features. Cried easily. Got to live pretty much from as early as I can remember until late high school being mistaken for a girl accidentally ("and what will your daughter have to order?") to constant, pervasive bullying.
    How about getting on the bus as a FIRST grader, proud of the new hat I got for Christmas, only to have a senior high schooler tear it from my head? When the bus driver finally got it sent back up front, someone had scrawled FAGGOT indelibly inside it.
    How about having high schoolers cruising town routinely scream "FAGGOT" and "BUTTFUCKER" as they drove by?
    How about my first year in a new school, when the local bully targeted me (the kid who just moved to town) as his victim du jour? Constant, routine humiliation that school officials either couldn't or wouldn't stop? Ending in a set-up fight (I tried to run away, but of course that wasn't allowed by the onlookers there for a show!) after school one day that led to him publicly kicking the shit out of me?

    Maybe understand that I'm not speaking from the position of an arrogant dick who's never been there. I'm speaking from EXPERIENCE about the only way that I escaped that cycle of victimization.

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