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Foreign Students Have Begun To Shun the United States (axios.com)
In a potential threat to future U.S. innovation, new international enrollment at U.S. colleges is down for the first time in more than a decade, according to a new report. From the report: It is the first hard sign that the Trump administration's rhetoric may be frightening away some of the world's best and brightest who traditionally have been drawn to settle and work in the U.S. Why it matters: "The Chinese whiz kid, if he can find a way to America, he'll come here. If you're good, you can make a lot of money," Anthony Carnevale, director of Georgetown University's Center on Education and the Workforce, tells Axios. "That whole set of incentives has always been tied to the immigrant stream, and we're severing that connection." By the numbers: The findings are from the Institute of International Education's annual Open Doors report and its smaller joint "snapshot" report on international enrollment. It found that new international student enrollment dropped by 3.3% for the 2016-2017 academic year, and by a far higher 6.9% in the Fall 2017 semester.
I still read the alumni magazine my alma mater sends me. I read about amazing students and professors doing great things in their chosen fields and even starting businesses. Usually those businesses are in the US employing Americans.
And quite often these people come from other continents..
The school I went to is looking for the best students they can get and if they come from a foreign land that's okay. In fact, I'd be upset if they told some prospective student who was intelligent and had a good work ethic that they couldn't be admitted because they already had too many foreigners.
We should want smart immigrants who are willing to work for an education to come here. My ancestors just a few generations back were immigrants and yours probably were too.
Of course we could turn these students away along with all their potential. Maybe they'll go to Canada or Europe or maybe they'll start their own universities in Asia or South America or Africa which in a few decades will make our schools look merely average or worse because we told the best students to stay out of our country.
As someone who works at a university, I assure you, US students already are preferred - that's the law and it's just cheaper [no visa hassles] to deal with US students. International student's don't qualify for Federal financial aid either. The only undergraduate internationals we want are the full-pay students.
The problem, and this is especially acute at the graduate level, is that U.S. student's don't want to work too hard. Given the choice between STEM graduate degrees and MBA's, the U.S. students are opting for the MBA's. You got a Chinese TA in class because no one in the U.S. wanted the job.
We just did a faculty hire in physics. Based on surnames and whatever information was in the resume, we estimated that only a third of our applicants were from the U.S. The rest were born outside this country and came here for school. That's the current reality of higher ed.
As a science student in a large, public, US university, I see very little "SJW stupidity" as you put it. Most of the students and profs are pretty apolitical on a day-to-day basis.
Often these kids will be on a big set of grants. Either from the college to get the best and brightest. Or from their parents government to give these kids a top education so they come back as the best and brightest. Now say 80% return to their home it is a benefit for the home country and the 20% that stays in the US is a benefit to us.
And those who returned to the home country they returned with a better understanding on what America is and see us beyond what the nation will have us portrayed as, for good or for bad.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the exploding cost of education, it must be all Trump's fault.
Whataboutism! I work for a UK University and we're seeing a rise in international students + our education costs are also skyrocketing. I don't know anyone who wants to travel to the states at the moment precisely because you elected a bigoted troll who's making a luaghing stock of your country.
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How are we talking about illegal immigration? We're talking about people legally getting visas to come to the US to study...
30% of US college funding (about 9 billion) comes from international students. They make up about 12% of the student population.
Now imagine a world where all international students were banned from US universities. Yes there would be 12% fewer students, but also 30% less funding. So either fees would have to go up, or courses would be dropped due to lack of funding.
If you want more US students to go to university you need to look closer to home. The things that stop US students getting a university education is the cost and the lack of government support to pay those costs. No bright American student has ever been denied university access just because of universities taking international students, in fact just the opposite
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I'm steering well clear of partisan bias here (I voted 3rd-party if that tells you anything.)
Insisting both sides are equal, when that is clearly not the case, serves a partisan agenda.
In an ideal world, violent criminals and thieves would go to jail. Not that I mind a few escaping if I don't have to pay taxes to lock them up.
But it's also a fact that we make too many "criminals." We jail people for drug offenses that harm only themselves, for consensual sex between adults, even for unpaid parking tickets in some cases. Our sentences are Draconian. A journalist who filmed protests that damaged property in DC is essentially facing a life sentence (60+ years) -- he expressed support, but never participated in any property damage.
If he made bail, cut, and ran abroad across a porous border, I wouldn't blame him one bit -- in fact, I'd applaud and cheer for him. No sense risking a life sentence in front of a biased court.
I'd rather have a few violent criminals escape "justice" than have a tight border that can potentially be used to keep political criminals from escaping.
And none of this dual citizen shit. If you become a US citizen, you have to renounce any existing citizenships.
Some countries do not permit you to do so, for example Morocco. And then there are the countries who penalize their (former) Citizens by charging them "expatriation" tax on everything they own if they wish to renounce their citizenship. Well, there is only one that does so. Oh shoot! It's the U.S.!
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Trump proposed an immigration system that let people in based on merit. Democrats called him racist.
To be fair, Trump's idea of merit included "what country you were born in" and "what religion you believe in". The Democrats are right, Trump is racist, but Trump's immigration plan seemed more unconstitutional and xenophobic than racist.
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Agreed. That is what was on the Republican ticket.
On the other ticket we had a woman that claims to be a feminist that publicly attacked the women that reported on her husbands sexual harassment, even the ones he admitted to. She claimed to be for the "little people" while accepting literally MILLIONS for short speeches to Wall Street tycoons. She laughingly defended a child molester by claiming that the victim was "asking for it".
The list goes on for a long way, and gets longer with every tell-all book that gets released, but the point is that we have a sucky two-party system, and the Democrats put up a candidate that was every bit as flawed as Trump. She suffers from every malady you listed for Trump.
The insanity is not confined to the Republican party.
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