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DNA Analysis Finds That Yetis Are Actually Bears (popsci.com)

schwit1 shares a report from Popular Science: University of Buffalo biologist Charlotte Lindqvist and her international team in Pakistan and Singapore provided the first strong evidence that presumed yetis are actually bears. They published their results in the Proceedings of the Royal Society B on Tuesday. Icon Film secured nine samples that purported to be genuine yeti artifacts, and Lindqvist gathered 15 samples from known bear populations. By sequencing mitochondria from all these sources, she and her fellow researchers were able to determine that all but one of the yeti artifacts actually came from local bears. That last sample was from a dog. They also figured out that Himalayan brown bears split off from the rest of the regional bear population several thousand years ago, which is why they're so genetically distinct from most other brown bears. Living in geographic isolation for so long has separated them from other Asian brown bears, and even from their relatives on the nearby Tibetan plateau. They even look different. But prior to Lindqvist's work, it wasn't clear just how long Himalayan bears had been on their own. Researchers will need higher-quality samples to figure out the whole picture, but even this small step is major for a species that's hardly been studied.

121 comments

  1. Thanks, science... by Motard · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, bears are actually bears. Yetis are bullshit.

    Thanks, DNA!

    1. Re:Thanks, science... by theweatherelectric · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sightings of bigfoot are also probably sightings of bears walking upright.

    2. Re:Thanks, science... by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, bears are actually bears. Yetis are bullshit.

      Thanks, DNA!

      What if they choose to identify as Yeti's DNA be damned? Or is such foolishness only for Homo Sapiens?

    3. Re:Thanks, science... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      of course they found bear DNA, yeti is manbearpig. another shill for science leading young people astray with half-truths....or is that one-third truths?

    4. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there people identifying as non people? Bears and Yetis are, would be, different species.

    5. Re:Thanks, science... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mozilla hired bigfoot?

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    6. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The post you are replying to is neither "firefox advocacy" nor "abuse directed towards people calling her out for being a Mozilla employee", so it's an ironic place to hang the claim that "This describes 100% of her contributions to ./[sic]".

      There was no possible justification for this post, which means that you are either stalking or harassing this poster on a purely personal basis. Please stop.

    7. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if "yeti" is defined as "another name for the Himalayan Brown Bear", would everyone be happy then?

    8. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Isnâ(TM)t that the premise of furries?

    9. Re:Thanks, science... by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hi, I'm Bruce Perens, the well known Open Source evangelist and a SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR!!! I'd like to know just where I fit in your conspiracy theories. Tootles!

      Bruce

    10. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hi, theweatherelectric!

    11. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, bears are actually bears.

      No, you have it all wrong!

      Don't you see?!?

      Bears are actually yetis!

    12. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it seems like 100% of YOUR contributions to Slashdot are this spammy drivel. If it really is the work of a script, as you claim (though I kind of doubt you have the facilities to write such a script), it kind of makes you seem immature.

    13. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That link doesn't say what you think it does. It explain that one group of supposed Sasquatch sightings were actually of a bear walking upright. That doesn't mean it can be extrapolated to explain all Sasquatch sightings.

      The article includes a statement from Matt Moneymaker, who I'm familiar with because he's part of the cast of Animal Planet's Finding Bigfoot. I don't think he always examines the evidence critically enough, but I think he's intellectually honest. The cast threatened to quit after the first season because of editing to make things appear unexplained when the cast had actually found explanations for things they had seen or heard. The show comes across to me as trying to be credible in the sense that they're not faking evidence or staging encounters and passing them off as real. He dismissed the idea that many Sasquatch sightings are bears.

      Lots of people think they've seen a Sasquatch, and a very large number of those supposed encounters can be explained away as something else. However, that still leaves some evidence for which there isn't an obvious explanation other than a Sasquatch. I believe Moneymaker is probably referring to Sasquatch encounters where the witness should be able to clearly see that it's not a bear or a human in a ghillie suit. I'm definitely not convinced that there are Sasquatches, but I don't think all of the evidence and witnesses can be readily dismissed as misidentifications.

      I'm a meteorologist. I study severe thunderstorms and tornadoes. I've done a lot of storm chasing, so I can distinguish a tornado from other clouds that look like them. A lot of the general public misidentifies other clouds as tornadoes. The large number of misidentified clouds doesn't mean that tornadoes doesn't exist. It just means that the general public is really bad at identifying clouds.

      The same thing applies to Sasquatches. Just because the public is really bad at identifying things that might look like a Sasquatch, does mean that there are no Sasquatches. For what it's worth, a new species of orangutan was recently discovered in Sumatra. Even if Sasquatches don't exist now, it's possible they existed in the past and that there's some truth to the legends. There are other large animals that have become extinct during human history such as the woolly mammoth. Sometimes there are elements of truth within legends, and many American Indians have stories of Sasquatches.

    14. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comment you replied to doesn't fall into either category of posts the user supposedly makes. Your claim is instantly invalidated. The discussion is about whether Sasquatch sightings are misidentified bears, so I don't really vlcarw whether the commenter is a Mozilla employee or not.

    15. Re:Thanks, science... by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 2

      Bruce Perens is Bigfoot, confirmed.

    16. Re:Thanks, science... by Picodon · · Score: 1

      No, sightings of Bigfoot are sightings of extremely unkempt hikers or, occasionally, particularly facetious park rangers.

    17. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nicely said, AC.

    18. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi, I'm Bruce Perens, the well known Open Source evangelist and a SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR!!! I'd like to know just where I fit in your conspiracy theories. Tootles!

      Bruce

      When Yetis start exterminating the human race we know Bruce Perens sits on the thrown.

    19. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well bigfoot is OBVIOUSLY just another name for a regular brown bear walking upright and
      yeti is OBVIOUSLY just another name for a regular ice bear walking upright.... nothing surprising there...

        nobody REALLY believed in a mythical snow monster and a mythical forest monster ANYWAY... right? Right? RIGHT?

    20. Re: Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your claim is instantly invalidated

      Well, no. If you investigate you'll see that this message was posted by a script, and that the claim was accurate when it was written. Seems to me like theweatherelectric has been posting about other stuff today so as to make the claim look invalid.

    21. Re:Thanks, science... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Sightings of bigfoot are also probably sightings of bears walking upright.

      I disagree.

      Sightings of bears are really yetis walking on all four.

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    22. Re: Thanks, science... by Galactic+Dominator · · Score: 2

      If you and millions of others had looked for tornadoes and never produced real evidence only anecdotal sightings for generations, then I think you're pretty safe in asserting there is no reason to assume tornadoes exist.

      Contrary to popular belief absence of evidence is evidence of absence, just not proof of absence.

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    23. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Get a fucking life.

    24. Re:Thanks, science... by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Only a totally basic shitlord would think that in 2016+1 it is still okay to deny a trans-yeti ursine entity the right to self determination.

    25. Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the thrown what? I've heard of throw pillows is that what you're referencing?

    26. Re:Thanks, science... by derrickn · · Score: 1

      I'd guess carpets. Thrown carpets mistaken for flying carpets. With Himalayan brown bears, I mean, djinn on them.

    27. Re: Thanks, science... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Are there people identifying as non people?

      I believe "otherkin" are a thing, yes.

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  2. Alternative Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeti's wear bear skin clothing. It gets cold up there!

    1. Re:Alternative Explanation by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Yetis are very reclusive, but also technologically very advanced. The labs in Yeti City have managed to re-engineer Yeti skin so its DNA is indistinguishable from bear skin - it’s how they’ve been able to avoid most contact with the humans they fear and despise.

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    2. Re:Alternative Explanation by meglon · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't be silly. They've been able to avoid contact with humans (other than their occasional scouting party) by taking over the moon base the space nazi's built with bigfoot and the lizard aliens. Don't forget, there's a huge rivalry between bigfoot and yetis, mostly having to do with hair color and whether they use hair conditioner before, or after, showering.... and don't even mention the whole putting on shoes wrong; sock, shoe, sock, shoe... or sock, sock, shoe, shoe thing; that really riles them up.

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    3. Re:Alternative Explanation by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey thanks for that!

      I never thought about sock, shoe, sock, shoe. I will try it tomorrow to see if it makes any difference.

      Thanks!

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    4. Re:Alternative Explanation by meglon · · Score: 3, Informative
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    5. Re:Alternative Explanation by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      If that doesn't work, try shoe, sock, shoe, sock.

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    6. Re:Alternative Explanation by ls671 · · Score: 1

      Already done and tested, you need shoes or socks with a hole at the tip.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    7. Re:Alternative Explanation by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Don't forget, there's a huge rivalry between bigfoot and yetis, mostly having to do with hair color

      Time for affirmative action to prop up Bigfoot?

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    8. Re:Alternative Explanation by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Oh that's not it at all. Think of Earth as a national recreational park for the galactic quadrant. Aliens visit here just to walk their pets, aka Bigfoot.
      Also, Nessie was flushed down a wormhole toilet when she got too big and wound up in Loch Ness. ...soo... maybe Earth is their sewer too.

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    9. Re:Alternative Explanation by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yetis are very reclusive, but also technologically very advanced. The labs in Yeti City have managed to re-engineer Yeti skin so its DNA is indistinguishable from bear skin

      So you're saying they're ... smarter than the average bear?

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    10. Re:Alternative Explanation by Major_Disorder · · Score: 1

      ...soo... maybe Earth is their sewer too.

      That would explain a lot.

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    11. Re: Alternative Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heyyyyyy boo boo

  3. Fake News by fodder69 · · Score: 0

    Yetis are real, f u science

    1. Re:Fake News by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Why are you surprised that there are things that are called yetis? This is just a comment about what the evidence shows those things appear to be. Don't be hypnotized by a name, or what fools say about the thing bearing the name.

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    2. Re:Fake News by Megol · · Score: 1

      Go back to twitter.

  4. If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...they should be doing DNA tests in trailer parks.

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    1. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      or congress

    2. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Motard · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or Slashdot.

    3. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I didn't realize Democrats lived in trailer parks. Good to know.

    4. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh look, more anti-white racism.

      You're so chic.

    5. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, dehumanizing people just because they live in poverty. Well, aren't you a gem, Adolf. Modded up, too. Stay classy, Slashdot.

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    6. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Climb down off your high horse. We know you watch "those movies" and laugh too.

    7. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody that thinks this post is Funny and who believes they aren't racist, try swapping "trailer parks" with "ghettos". Is it still funny? If not, why not?

    8. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Only white people live in trailer parks? Aren't you a nice little racist!

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    9. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 2

      But conservatives always tell me poverty is a choice. So these people have chosen their circumstances. I don't understand why you are pretending to be outraged.

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    10. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They don't. A certain level of in-breeding is required to live in them. Only conservatives, some quite well off, meet the necessary standards.

      https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trump-ivanka-creepy-family-pics-petition/

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    11. Re: If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      I'm white and I make fun of white trash and inbred Fundamentalists more than anyone. I also make fun of noveau riche (particularly Southerners) and their utter lack of any class whatsoever. Am I a "classist?" No, I'm a culturalist. And I bet yours sucks.

    12. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      It's like this: the starting points are different, because the US is a profoundly racist society (as those of us outside it see quite clearly, though apparently people living there don't). Black people often start off with two strikes against them. White people, on the other hand, don't.

      So when somebody takes a shot at archetypal trailer park denizens, they're insulting people who worked hard to attain a level of ignorance and poverty that people of colour have thrust upon them. The social degeneracy is, I guess, something of a bonus, or perhaps a symptom.

      I hope this helps.

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    13. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So you're AGREEING with them? I thought they were deplorable? Now you're saying you're deplorable too? Well damn. I always suspected you were gigantic hypocrites who were just engaging in a massive case of psychological projection, and here it is confirmed. You're projecting the hatred and fear you have within yourselves. Good job outing yourself, though.

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    14. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Megol · · Score: 1

      For you it's even easier: look in a mirror.

    15. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 0

      Not agreeing with them, little one, just offering an amusing observation in terms a conservative's limited intellect and reptilian emotions might be able to grasp.

      If a decent, hard-working liberal like me can't lower himself into the slimy, odoriferous intellectual pit inhabited by the far right once in a while, how can we ever expect to understand them? Obviously they can't climb out, so I must be the one to descend to the place where conservatives are comfortable, no matter how noisome and appalling it may be for those of us with values, ethics and moral standards.

      I understand conservatives get tired of constantly being treated like something decent people run to a curb and scrape off their shoe, even if that's basically what they deserve. So I try, once in a while, to lighten their karmic burden just a little.

      Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear this up for you. I hope you have a wonderful day.

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    16. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You are the leftist version of Donald Trump. Incredibly smug and condescending, supercilious, clinically suffering from late-stage Dunning-Kruger disease.

      You should stop talking and listen, go volunteer at Hospice or Habitat for Humanity to get some face-to-face time with Americans who are hurting and put some skin in the game. Stop dehumanizing people with slurs like 'reptilian', that's against your own standards. But it's OK when you do it, amirite?

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    17. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I bet you say that to all your boyfriends. (snicker)

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    18. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I'm so very sorry you believe I'm condescending to you. Condescension, at least in dictionaries civilized people use, usually implies disdain. I feel only pity for conservatives, mixed with sorrow and perhaps even a little horror. But not disdain. Could it be that your own prejudices are getting in the way of understanding how important it is to reach down to them?

      Also, the tone of your comments indicates you have issues with rage, perhaps driven by feelings of inadequacy. This is not a healthy way to live. I feel I should take the time to educate you, and clear up some of your misapprehensions. Addressing all of them, sadly, is beyond the time I have available, but perhaps you will be less angry if I explain some things to you.

      First, there's your mistake about condescension. I believe I covered that. Then there's your suggestion I should volunteer for Habitat for Humanity. Would you care to guess who was on-site in Winnipeg when President Carter was overcome by dehydration this past summer?

      And then there's the Dunning-Kruger Effect. It's not a disease, my angry friend. It's a cognitive bias. Evidence seems to indicate most of its victims are conservatives. In fact, many would argue it's part and parcel of conservatism. This is because study after study has indicated that when compared to liberals, conservatives are less intelligent, more driven by fear and rage (reptilian, hind-brain emotions...see what I did there?), and less able to change their views in the face of objective facts. All of these provide fertile ground for the growth of a healthy Dunning-Kruger bias.

      I can provide some links to this research if you like. Would you like some links?

      In any case, thank you for the opportunity to educate you. I feel that I have accomplished something here. I hope the rest of your day is as uplifting and amusing as mine has been so far.

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    19. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      I hope your angry buddy is foolish enough to respond to this. I'm laughing so hard I've truly got tears in my eyes.

      This is gold!

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    20. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You insist that poor whites are less than human. Your classist bigotry, which would have been unthinkable for leftists back in the 1930s, is never acknowledged. Moreover, although you insist we ought not to stereotype people, you're doing it constantly with people whose income levels will only allow them to afford trailer park housing. Dehumanizing people leads down a dark path, one our civilization has been down before. Subhumans...where have I heard that phrase before, Adolf?

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    21. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      "Subhumans...where have I heard that phrase before, Adolf?"

      At your last Aryan Nations dinner-dance?

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    22. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I was going to respond. Somebody beat me to it, and I'm laughing too hard to come up with anything better.

      "What he said.

      Enjoy your day. Relax. Make sure you take any required medications. Thank you for your time.

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    23. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Game. Set. Match.

      If I'd known I could call in air support, I'd have shortened up my responses to that jackass.

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    24. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You are literally calling poor people subhuman. Do you or do you not see the clear analogy between what you believe and what the Nazis believed? They also called people they didn't like subhuman.

      This is called psychological projection, when a person projects her own unacceptable thoughts onto others.

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    25. Re:If they want to find sub-human creatures... by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      Your fake concern is amusing...almost as amusing as your attempt to re-cast alt right archetypes as something out of Grapes of Wrath. Your behaviour elsewhere here is a much better guide to "the real you".

      Thanks for playing, though. You have yourself a lovely day.

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  5. Balderdash by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Funny
    Nessie, Yeti, an honorable candidate for the Presidency, and a pirate are at a four-way crossing of the roads, equidistant from a trunk full of treasure.

    On your mark, get set, go: who gets to the treasure first?

    There's no such thing as Nessie, there's no such thing as the Yeti, and there's no such thing as an honorable Presidential candidate... Winner Pirate.

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    1. Re:Balderdash by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2

      Way to butcher that joke.

    2. Re:Balderdash by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Funny

      When two butchers plan a get together, it's really more of a meating.

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    3. Re:Balderdash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A butcher, Yeti, an honorable candidate for the Presidency, and a pirate are at a four-way crossing of the roads...

      That's how you butcher a joke.

    4. Re:Balderdash by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A butcher, Yeti, an honorable candidate for the Presidency, and a pirate are at a four-way crossing of the roads...

      That's how you butcher a joke.

      A butcher, a butcher, a butcher and a butcher are at a four-way crossing of the roads.

      That's how you butcher a joke.

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  6. Bears walking upright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once you've seen the video below (bears walking upright), it becomes pretty damn obvious why people think they saw a humanoid.

    https://youtu.be/kcIkQaLJ9r8?t=7

    In this age of cellphones with cameras everywhere, there is no way yetis are living in the US and not on camera all the time.

  7. Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    This research was done by bear scientists. Of course they will issue results that will increase their funding. Libturds will probably believe it though. The scientists didn't even take into account that Yetis could have cross-bred with bears, or that DNA can change when frozen in the ICE.

    1. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, look. Someone pretending to be a conservative.

    2. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, it was a pretty good impersonation.

    3. Re:Follow the money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, there are bear scientists? scientist that are bears? where do they get their degrees?

  8. Are yetis actually bears... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are yetis actually bears...or.... [drum roll] are the bears really yetis?

  9. Another alternative, because they didn't prove by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The DNA match didn't prove yetis are actually bears. Maybe the bears are actually yetis!

    * Of course they are bears.

  10. What if... by Jodka · · Score: 1

    "Yeti" is the word for bear in the local language.

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    1. Re:What if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually means "that thing there."

  11. Maybe by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Yetis are mutated bears, like the yao guai, which are totally real because I killed a mess of them in the Boston area.

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  12. I like a world without mysteries by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    I like how science is gradually eliminating mysteries. I mean that. There was somebody who complained that google was ruining us because you never had bask in wonder at the world's mysteries. 90% of the ones a regular chap could comprehend were a 2 second search away and you could find solid theories on the other 10%. The guy who wrote it was upset that we lost a sense of mystery, but I see it as as gaining a sense that the universe could be understood. That things happen for defined reasons and that we can, with time and learning take control of our destinies and shape them to our liking. In other words: Fate is bullshit.

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    1. Re:I like a world without mysteries by quenda · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I like how science is gradually eliminating mysteries. I mean that.

      You probably don't want to start reading about quantum mechanics them. Its more mysterious than anything in religion or legend.
      The difference is that the batshit crazy predictions turn out to be both testable and true.

    2. Re: I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't dismiss Sasquatches as batshit crazy. I certainly wouldn't put it on the level of the paranormal, for example.

      The evidence can certainly be tested and examined, which is exactly why the supposed Yeti remains can be shown to be from other animals. I also view the search for extraterrestrial life in the same manner. There is no conclusive evidence, and the unexplained evidence is open to interpretation. Most of the supposed evidence has alternative explanations that should be viewed as far more probable. However, in both cases, there remains a bit of evidence that lacks a satisfactory explanation.

    3. Re:I like a world without mysteries by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It sure ruins HP Lovecraft, though. Well, that and the racism. I always wondered how he was so popular, being a hardcore bigot like that. Usually the faintest sniff of wrongthink is enough to ruin an author's reputation forever, like what happened to Orson Scott Card.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    4. Re:I like a world without mysteries by imidan · · Score: 1

      Lovecraft was writing in the early 1900s. There was a lot of racism among famous writers back then (particularly associated with colonialism). We can't blame them for how the world was when they were alive, and we can't fault them for not posthumously changing their views to meet current norms.

      We *can* be upset that Orson Scott Card has been vocally against gay marriage in an age when gay marriage is obviously acceptable to most people. If he wants to take a principled, public stand against gay marriage (and face the consequences of his public statements), then he is free to do so. He's placed himself in the political arena by making public statements about political issues, and it should surprise nobody that such statements upset those who disagree.

      Free speech is not free of consequences. If Orson Scott Card wants to shit on gays, he's free to do so; the government will not stop him, but he may find that it limits his popularity.

    5. Re:I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racism is BAD. Now praise me for how correct and important I am.

    6. Re:I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > We *can* be upset that Orson Scott Card has been vocally against gay marriage in an age when gay marriage is obviously acceptable to most people.

      The correct solution was to have "civil partnerships" recognized by the state, do not use "marriage" in any sense as a government-recognized situation that attaches to any additional rights or obligations, and let all groups left or right define marriage as they see fit. It was completely foreseeable that the approach taken would cause friction by co-opting terms that had meant something else for generations.

    7. Re: I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is the catch here, and why the article title is misleading. They didn't prove that yeti's don't exist, only that the remains/evidence they have is from a bear and not a yeti. Lack of evidence doesn't necessarily equal non-existence. If that were the case, we wouldn't still be finding new species.

    8. Re:I like a world without mysteries by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      We can't blame them for how the world was when they were alive, and we can't fault them for not posthumously changing their views to meet current norms.

      Yes we most certainly can. Thomas Jefferson. Checkmate, asshole.

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    9. Re:I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's like the five year old that asks "Mum, does Father Christmas really exist?"
      Mother: "Well, let's see I don't know ..."
      Kid: "Well, look it it up on Google..."

    10. Re:I like a world without mysteries by Miles_O'Toole · · Score: 1

      If you were annoyed by the rudeness of that DNS jerk, read on down the thread a bit. In a back-and-forth exchange, "hyades1" gives him a slap-down for the ages. Turn your sarcasm detector up to "ROFL" and enjoy.

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    11. Re:I like a world without mysteries by imidan · · Score: 1

      Was there supposed to be a deeper meaning hidden in your non sequitur? Did you forget some of the words? Yahtzee, chucklehead.

    12. Re:I like a world without mysteries by imidan · · Score: 1

      You guys are doing good work down there, thanks for the heads up.

    13. Re:I like a world without mysteries by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 1

      You do realize the paradox in believing that the world is entirely defined by physics and that "fate" (aka determinism) is false? To reconcile your world view, you need to have a mechanism that allows for free will, even if based in randomness. Are QM events truly random? Could they impact the atomic and macro level? Is that your definition of free will? Or are you a dualist? (Which would directly contradict your other stance.)

      Otherwise, you need to accept that physics rules all and fate (determinism) is real.

    14. Re:I like a world without mysteries by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      My pleasure. I thought you provided a civil, well-reasoned response to him, and his answer was to use Jefferson in a comparison so flawed and simplified it qualifies as dishonest...then do a victory lap.

      I was happy to participate in a very small way to the spanking he got below, when he tried something similar. And I am happy you got to see it.

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    15. Re:I like a world without mysteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like mysteries, but I hate how most people deal with mysteries as a woo to be worshipped or fuel for whatever form of crazy they're into. For example the history of science can be read as the story of a bunch of often fascinating people delving into the mystery of how the universe works - making hypothesis, observing, experimenting, occasionally following false leads... whereas the history of religion seems mostly populated with the mentally ill, fanatics and assorted jerks attempting to achieve their own ends and manipulate the gullible.

    16. Re:I like a world without mysteries by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      "We can't blame them for how the world was when they were alive, and we can't fault them for not posthumously changing their views to meet current norms."

      Thomas Jefferson and the rest of them are villified for doing precisely this. Are you really that dense you couldn't make a logical leap like that? Your statement is invalid, we absolutely do judge historical people by modern standards. HP Lovecraft was a shit racist and I have no idea why he's still popular.

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    17. Re:I like a world without mysteries by imidan · · Score: 1

      Since you've given absolutely no concrete example, I'm going to guess... you're complaining that we unfairly look down on Jefferson for having bastard children with the house slave? I expect whatever point you're trying to make is of about that caliber, so let's go with it. But, guess what? People at that time weren't super excited about him doing that either. That's why they tried to keep it a secret. Bingo, sparky.

  13. Similar to Bigfoot DNA by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you ever tune in to the Bigfoot/Sasquatch enthusiast groups you will find that there are tons of sightings, and lots and lots of physical evidence, hair, coprolites, stuff that would be loaded with Bigfoot DNA. It it was real.

    Despite the fact that anyone can run a DNA test that identifies species for under $100 today, and that finding a single sample of DNA from an unknown primate would make the person finding it famous forever, not a single specimen claimed to be from a Bigfoot has ever been found to have anything but a known animal (usually human, sometimes bear, or other known mammal) as its source.

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    1. Re:Similar to Bigfoot DNA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      finding a single sample of DNA from an unknown primate

      The alleged Bigfoot is a mammal, not necessarily a primate.

  14. Bigger problems by dreamygeek · · Score: 1

    Of course yetis are bears. You can simply tell by their appearance. Scientists should really just move on and focus on the bigger problems.

    1. Re:Bigger problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, really? And here I thought Yeti's were coolers

    2. Re:Bigger problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed! I knew it too, before the scientists did! Nearly all of science is instinctual. You don't have to observe, test, do experiments... just look at it and know the answer!

      All scientists work together on one project at a time, and it's time they stop wasting their efforts on Yetis and UFOs and "particles" that don't even exist (you can simply tell by their lack of appearance). There should be a slashdot poll on science.com where some people with COMMON SENSE like us get to vote on which projects scientists focus their efforts on.

  15. Bears don't exist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yetis are bears.
    Yetis are fictional
    Ergo, bears are fictional.

    What they meant to say was "nope, these are not yeti artifacts, they are bear artifacts", not that bears = yetis = fictional.

  16. Wait what? by kbg · · Score: 1

    So are you saying that at these locations that people thought that they saw Yetis, there where indigenous bears at the same locations? And no one actually made the obvious connection?

    Here is a hint for those people: If you see a big hairy animal at a distance and you know that there are big hairy animals roaming around called bears. It's fair to assume that those are bears.

    1. Re:Wait what? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Rainhold Messner, a famous german mountain climber already speculated in the early 1990/ that Yeti are likely big bears.
      However you simplify it to much. Yeti supposedly live in the Himalaya, and the amount of bears there is so low, ordinary people never see one in their life. Probably they often don't know that there are bears living around.
      Yeti/bear signtings are super rare, and usually people don't survive it ... so it is a bit to simple to accuse them of ignorrance.

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    2. Re:Wait what? by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 1

      Excellent point, but one correction for you: Messner is Tyrolian (Italian). Just a friendly FYI.

  17. Dinosaur era shark found alive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/frilled-shark-portugal-algarve-coast-snake-head-300-teeth-science-trawler-fishing-a8051596.html

    It can't be true!

    You do realise that the Patterson-Gimlin film is proof that a real Bigfoot exists? Or is it simply impossible for any animal to exist that hasn't already been discovered by mankind?
    Please explain the Patterson-Gimlin film.

  18. "genuine yeti artifacts" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF!! o_O

  19. Yours may be a bear by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    Mine is a coffee cup.

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  21. Mitochondria by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    By sequencing mitochondria from all these sources, she and her fellow researchers were able to determine that all but one of the yeti artifacts actually came from local bears.

    At first I was afraid of the wave of destruction that might ensue since I read that as "sequencing midi-chlorian".

    Jedi Yetis... yikes.

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  22. I already knew about QMs by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    but as crazy as it is it's still something to be understood. Like you said, testable and true. In that sense it's not a mystery, just something too complicated to be understood at first (or second, or third, or thousandth) pass.

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  23. ytterbium Re:Thanks, science... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeti bears are made of ytterbium.