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SpaceX Plans To Blast a Tesla Roadster Into Orbit Around Mars (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes Ars Technica:
Previously, SpaceX founder Elon Musk has said he intends to launch the "silliest thing we can imagine" on the maiden launch of the Falcon Heavy. This is partly because the rocket is experimental -- there is a non-trivial chance the rocket will explode on the launch pad, or shortly after launch. It is also partly because Musk is a master showman who knows how to grab attention. On Friday evening, Musk tweeted what that payload would be -- his "midnight cherry Tesla Roadster."
And the car will be playing Space Oddity, by David Bowie; the song which begins, "Ground Control to Major Tom." Oh, and the powerful Falcon Heavy rocket will send the Tesla into orbit around Mars. "Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn't blow up on ascent," Musk added. Ars was able to confirm Friday night from a company source that this is definitely a legitimate payload. Earlier on Friday, Musk also said the Falcon Heavy launch would come "next month" from Launch Pad 39A at Kennedy Space Center in Florida, meaning in January.
"No private company has ever launched a spacecraft beyond low-Earth orbit, let alone to another planet," according to the article, adding that SpaceX's new rocket "could play a major role in any plans the agency has to send humans to the Moon." In addition, Musk added on Twitter, "Red car for a red planet."
UPDATE (12/2/17): Saturday Elon Musk told The Verge that he "totally made it up" about sending a Tesla Roadster to Mars. Then in "multiple emails" to Ars Technica --- sent Saturday afternoon -- "Musk confirmed that this plan is, indeed, real."
And the car will be playing Space Oddity, by David Bowie; the song which begins, "Ground Control to Major Tom." Oh, and the powerful Falcon Heavy rocket will send the Tesla into orbit around Mars. "Will be in deep space for a billion years or so if it doesn't blow up on ascent," Musk added. Ars was able to confirm Friday night from a company source that this is definitely a legitimate payload. Earlier on Friday, Musk also said the Falcon Heavy launch would come "next month" from Launch Pad 39A at Kennedy Space Center in Florida, meaning in January.
"No private company has ever launched a spacecraft beyond low-Earth orbit, let alone to another planet," according to the article, adding that SpaceX's new rocket "could play a major role in any plans the agency has to send humans to the Moon." In addition, Musk added on Twitter, "Red car for a red planet."
UPDATE (12/2/17): Saturday Elon Musk told The Verge that he "totally made it up" about sending a Tesla Roadster to Mars. Then in "multiple emails" to Ars Technica --- sent Saturday afternoon -- "Musk confirmed that this plan is, indeed, real."
Month 13 is out of bounds
please buckle Trump into the driver's seat before launch
If he drives it back to Earth with a parachute, it'd be like the opening!
You really should have gone to school.
So Marvin the Martian is wealthy and is well up the reserve list for a Roadster? What's the Muskrat getting in return, an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?
Resistance is futile. Reactance buggers it up.
So, I clicked on the comments section thinking, "A private company launching the highest payload rocket since the Saturn V, with game-changing launch costs even without reuse, designed to land on barges and landing pads, and rather than risking a super-expensive satellite on the maiden launch, they're doing it in the most hilarious manner possible, at the CEO's expense? There's no way anyone is going to be turning this into a negative!"
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Would be nice if he could land the car safely onto the surface....
Space is big. One car doesn't make a "stunt laden dumping ground".
...from gumming up the future space lanes of Mars. We already have a huge amount of space junk around our own planet. Do we really want to turn Mars into a publicity stunt laden dumping ground?
There's got to be a law against this somewhere...
Given that there is space junk already in orbit around mars I think you might have missed the boat with your fauxrage
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This is the first launch of the Falcon Heavy. They're not getting a paying customer until they can prove that the rocket works. That means they don't have any important payload, so why not pull a stunt like this?
Well, they will have to do some work to make sure any liquids or gasses in the vehicle don't cause explosions and mess up the test. Obviously they need to remove the valve stems on the tires, but they'll have to look at lots of other fluids and places where air is trapped to be sure it won't be a problem.
Of course, there are other things they could launch. Perhaps they could do a resupply to the ISS--one of the few launches where the cargo isn't as expensive as the launch. They could also stage some supplies for a future Mars mission in Mars orbit. But if doing something like that would delay the launch as they prepare the payload, it might not be worth it.
Thanks, Mr. Musk. Space really needed more junk flying around.
They are f-ing with you. Space is fake. The Earth is flat. The eclipses prove it. Try getting a gyroscope to show you the spinning of Earth.
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And that's it. Those are the facts given to you for a round Earth. All the rest is a magician's craft.
The problem with stupid people (like you). Is that they don't know they are stupid.
Having polluted orbits of Earth with useless shit since dawn of the space race, Mars is the next frontier for orbiting useless shit.
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He needs to have someone with the right stuff. I call Dibs!
>doing practical testing of your rockets is a waste of time and money
Ok, how about we put you on it instead?
I'm so glad that outer space in going to be privatized! Billionaires will have their space junk floating around for ages after we have thankfully passed!
There’s is a sucker born every minute. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt to milk money out of stupid people because Tesla and space ex are on the virge of bankruptcy.
Would progress happen any faster if we weren't allowed to make snarky comments about St Elon of Musk here?
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A trip to Mars is like life. It's not the destination, but rather, the journey. The information we learn from building rockets and actually launching them is important for technological progress. Landing men on the moon was nothing. The process of getting them there, and the knowledge we gained as a result, was everything. "If people spent 10% the amount of time thinking about how to improve life on Earth and they do about living on Mars we would be better off" is a false dichotomy. Mars living is a technological problem. Social issues on Earth are social issues. Sorry, but you STILL can't solve many social issues with technology. I would argue that we are spending too much on social issues, since there is never going to be a solution to them without further advancement of technology. How would they be? They won't be solved with philosophical discussion.
It isn't your fault the bad teacher lied to you. You were just a kid.
Why wouldn't light from the Corona be visible on the back of the moon? The term, "dark side of the moon" is just an expression. It actually faces the s Un half the time. Also, what kind of idiot thinks that shadows can't be in color? Have you never been to a movie theater? Those patterns you see on screen are (traditionally, anyway, there are a few new projection technologies that change this) colored shadows from a white light source passing through a colored film.
I agree, going to Mars is a useless stunt. Developing cheap rockets is very useful. If SpaceX needs the Mars dream to get motivated to build cheap rockets, it's still a good deal.
How we long for 1997, when we only wished stuff like this would happen.
We aren't going to be able to live on Mars, ever.
Maybe so, but if we do at least we'll have a nice car to drive around. Maybe he'll send up a fancy boat on the next launch.
... the most valuable car in the solar system.
Assuming it is (still) in a âoeparkingâ orbit (ha ha) around Mars and assuming that Mankind survives and prospers enough to colonize Mars, thatâ(TM)ll be one heck of a collectors item!
It should be in mint(?) condition and, because itâ(TM)s electric, might actually work on planets without oxygen (the driver will need to wear a spacesuit of course).
Then again, if it put into a stable parking orbit and presumably not âoelostâ or abandoned, are there any salvage rights? Call in the space lawyers! (Be careful though, their fees are astronomical!)
I applaud you. Keep this up. Some people are on the verge of awakening, and this may help them to research further.
Also, "Zetetic Astronomy" by Dr. Samuel Rowbotham is a good reference, and can be read in full online: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za00.htm
You're right, school is where the conditioning starts; there was a globe in the first classroom you were in, most likely. And, how can sex ("need to get laid") change one's observations that there's no curve? I can see Boston from 26 miles away, I see the lights at Logan which are max 350 feet high, and based on the astronomers' own calculations, there should be about 450 feet of drop at that distance. Their math is: "8 inches per mile squared", in other words, at 26 miles it'd be 8 * 26 * 26 inches, or 5,408 inches, which is 450 2/3 feet.
So, how can I see the lights of the towers at Logan? Searching for those heights I've found 350 feet to be the maximum structure there.
Boo hoo. The guy makes his own rocket, and his own car, and you're telling him he can't do with it whatever he wants ?
Shut up
By all means, Mr Musk, stick to the plan. Don't get insurance for the car. (They're a rip off anyway)
Back of the moon means the side facing Earth. Corona light is 93,000,000 miles away. If you stood on the moon, the Corona would look as small as it does here on Earth, in the sky. Therefore, it is not possible for light from the sun to be appearing on the backside of the moon in the heliocentric model.
For the lunar eclipse, the shadow changes color. There is no problem with the shadow having color; the problem is it changes color, it does not slide across the face of the moon as you would expect in the heliocentric model. Watch it and see for yourself.
Is building a heavy launch vehicle an ego trip as well, according you you? Normally first launches like this have just a dummy load: bags of sand or whatever else can make up sufficient payload. If somebody wants to stretch the goals by adding a car to this dummy load and aiming for Mars in this first launch, I fail to see why that deserves so much grousing. Personally I think it is a waste of a perfectly fine car, but hey, he built the thing himself, and he seems to like to have fun with things like this, so who am I to judge him on that.
We aren't going to be able to live on Mars, ever. Sure, it will be cool, but it is as wasteful as building an America's Cup yacht.
Commercial aviation is a waste of time and money. It will never be anything but a luxury for the ultra-rich, and extremely dangerous on top of that. It's as wasteful as building automobiles, which will never have the range or speed of a good horse.
People who invest effort & money into these things are simply wasting it all when they could be doing something useful, such as designing a better horse saddle. Then we'd all be better off.
It all seems so innocent at first. A bit of hubris and a billionaire launching cars into space. But it is clearly a "rods from god" scheme where Musk can influence German subsidy policy with the threat of a flaming tesla wreaking havoc from space.
You apparently haven't ever used a telescope. Ships do not "disappear into the mist". You could do this every day from the same location watching a ship go over the horizon and it would disappear at the same time same place despite weather conditions (humidity, etc). Or are you saying the phenomenon of them "disappearing" into the mists is permanent and not dependent on weather conditions, and there's some aspect of the air that enforces the same disappearing distance? To further your experiment (warning: evil science! quick, back to youtube for a self affirming dose of videos) what happens if you watch the ship disappear then climb up a hill or tower and look at it? Will it be in the same location?
Just to makes sure there's no devilry or mind control from NASA at play here, station trusted sources on both the ship and ships in between the test barge to make sure everything is on the level. (Or not, pun intended)
I wonder what kind of Auto Insurance Musk has...
His slaves at SpaceX might rebel and strap him to the rocket
A Tesla Roadster is about to become the fastest car ever made.
If the earth would be flat than we would have sunrise for all at the same time. Or no sunrise at all (in the spotlight model). Furthermore, you can test the earth curvature when looking over the ocean. Do this from high enough altitude, use your best telescope and then try to see the Eifel tower from New York. Also you can follow ships and when the water is cold you can see that the first thing to go on any ship is the lower parts and the chimney/sail can be seen for a longer time.
There is also another experiment. Have a friend who lives south or north (1000 km at least) of your place. Build two tables and insert into this a stick upright. Then place one table at your home and one at his home. The table must be perfectly horizontal. Now you collect for half a year from highest to lowest position of the sun the angle between the sun and the surface. You can do this by measuring the length of the shadow and calculating the arc with acos((l_shadow + l_stick - sqrt(l_shadow + l_stick))/( 2 * l_shadow * l_stick)). With the two angles and the distance between you and your friend, you can calculate the distance of the sun in your flat earth model and subsequently its heights above the surface. According to flat earth idea, it should be always at approx. 4000 something km.
Also you can make this experiment as follows. Use a friend east of you (the farer away the better). Every day you see a sunrise, you write down the angle between ground and sun. And at the same time your friend takes a measurement (call him and synchronize your efforts). On a flat earth you should experience sunrise at the same time. On a spherical earth this will happen at different points in time. Anyway, for your flat model, the height of the sun should be the same.
he would just seem to be firing off extremely expensive rockets for his own amusement
The primary goal is testing a heavy lift reusable rocket that can be used to bring heavy satellites in Earth orbit for profit. In order to test the rocket, he needs a cheap dummy payload. The only "amusement" part is using an old car instead of a bag of rocks. The rest of the plan is business.
1997 was when Pathfinder landed on Mars, the first lander to do so in 30 years and the first rover on Mars. The Hubble was hitting its stride and the ISS began construction a year later. It was an exciting time for actual space science.
There are about 5,000 people in Antarctica, despite it being an environment that will never be suitable for human habitation. Someday, perhaps next century, there will be a similar number of people on Mars for similar reasons.
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the government won't let them put a concept car like that on the road so it's not being thrown away
GM and Ford usually crush them
this is actually a wonderful publicity stunt
PT Barnum would be proud
So, I clicked on the comments section thinking, "A private company launching the highest payload rocket since the Saturn V, with game-changing launch costs even without reuse, designed to land on barges and landing pads, and rather than risking a super-expensive satellite on the maiden launch, they're doing it in the most hilarious manner possible, at the CEO's expense? There's no way anyone is going to be turning this into a negative!"
Hello Slashdot. Thanks for finding new ways to disappoint.
You left out the biggest positive for Tesla: They can announce an option that increases your range by millions of miles on a single charge...
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
I was referring to the attitude on Slashdot.
Go back and read some of the comments on the stories about those things. Compare to this one.
Just because the Earth is flat, does not mean the air is infinitely pure.
The lower part of the ship disappears first because the humidity in the water/air interface blurs it into water first.
The stick experiment requires you to assume either the Earth is round, or the Earth is flat. So, it can tell you what a distance would be in one model or the other. Further, it requires you to assume that the physical existence is unaltered between you and the heavenly bodies; this is an assumption. Many models have a dome, which could have light bending capabilities. No, you should measure the Earth, not the heavens. Curves over water, movement in gyroscopes, etc.
Very plausible explanations, if we were stuck with only 16th century theories and equipment. Maybe you should try convincing the Amish instead of a bunch of nerds?
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Antarctica has air and water, even food, a pleasant climate and is very accessible.
So, how can I see the lights of the towers at Logan? Searching for those heights I've found 350 feet to be the maximum structure there.
It depends on your elevation as well, and the local curvature of the earth in your area. If you are on a "peak" and Logan is on a "peak" with a valley in between, there is no local curvature and you can see straight-line distances. Ah, why am I bothering?
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Doc Brown would be impressed.
at least there will be something to drive when humans finally get there.
f people spent 10% the amount of time thinking about how to improve life on Earth and they do about living on Mars we would be better off.
If your solution to a problem is "the people need to change", then it probably isn't much of a solution. A trip to Mars, on the other hand, is a straightforward engineering challenge that people have a shot at. Space nutters are not the dreamers, utopia on Earth nutters are. You CAN put people on Mars. Given high enough technology, they may even live there. And they will probably - eventually - fight with each other, because they are people.
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a pleasant climate
Depends on the time of the year, and where you actually are.
And: you could say the same things about Mars. Around the equator it is actually quite nice.
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
>> Do we really want to turn Mars into a publicity stunt laden dumping ground?
Yes. Yes we do.
The only way an average Joe is ever going to get affordable commercial space travel is if the "Only governments can do spaceflight" meme dies a fiery death. Putting a Tesla around Mars is a fantastic way to light that pyre.
If the BFR delivers on its promise of dirt-cheap space travel we can tidy up after ourselves later.
Put the entire DNC and RNC (plus staff) into the blast pit, alive and bolted down. Charge to watch the video feed. Payoff national debt.
Don't even ask what the plan is for the next Ariane launch. The population of Brussels is going to drop.
Gravity doesn't exist. The universe and everything in it, is growing at an ever accelerating rate. We're being accelerated up.
Now the question is how the truck will be arranged in the fairing? And then will it survive the vibration tests?
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
You are bothering because you sense a disturbance in the force. Something you know to be true.
Compare the Apollo 17 Blue Marble picture to this. You'll notice all of South America should have sunlight exposure, but none of it is in the 'photo'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Marble
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?iso=19721207T1038
https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=30&h0=10&unit=imperial
Elon has seen 'Heavy Metal' one time too many. He's not going to be able to land the car on Mars and drive it around. (Cosmic rays are sure to have fucked the electronics by then.)
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It's bad enough that we got NASA's junk now littering the Martian landscape, but now we have private individuals throwing junk cars up there.
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No, downmod both the GPP & zilym's for idiocy.
The Tesla will not be in earth orbit. It won't even be in Mars orbit. No orbital insertion burn into Mars orbit is possible as there is no third stage & the FH second stage will have long since died. Thus it'll be in orbit around the sun in an orbit somewhere between the Earth and Mars with virtually no chance of becoming a problem -- any more than the hundreds of thousands of like sized asteroids that occupy that space.
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An average person would have to work for years to buy that car (without eating while doing so). He will flaunt its destruction only to have people talk about him on twitter.
Normally first launches like this have just a dummy load: bags of sand or whatever else can make up sufficient payload
That's not even true. Where do you people come up with this nonsense? For example: The very first Saturn V launch carried a full Apollo Command/Service Module (CSM). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
What is sad is that 3000lbs of scientific experiments will not get done. Elon, if you want to practice heavy lifting, at least get some value out of it if it works. I thought you were smart. Smart people don't waste precious opportunities.
They already have a battery
A trip to Mars, on the other hand, is a straightforward engineering challenge that people have a shot at
It's far from straightforward. Besides, even in the remotest fantasy that they could survive there, people will fuck it all up just the same.
To establish some kind of colony on Mars, we would need to know how to recycle everything; air, water, materials, biological waste products. packaging, energy efficient mining and manufacturing. Figure out all of those there, and doing them here comes for free.
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High speed trains? Everyone knows that humans would die from asphyxiation if they went faster than 20mph. Leave the high speed travel to the professional horsemen.
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I seriously hope you are either trolling or playing some sort of prank.
No, the Earth is stationary.
Gravity, however, is not what you've been told. Allais Effect.
So now you are saying we don't have to worry about asteroids? Well, what doesn't kill dinosaurs, only makes you stronger.
We've gotten different technology. It isn't "more useful".
Didn't Top Gear already so this?
This could be the bursting of his bubble, which is nearing that point anyway.
Perhaps that is true for some folks, but only a small minority. I'd say most people barely even know that Musk exists, and most who do simply see him as an eccentric, geeky billionaire who builds cool toys for other rich people. (Kinda like Steve Jobs...) But even if he does "burst his bubble" with that minority of naysayers, the up-side of this kind of stunt, from a PR perspective, could be huge with the rest of the population.
This is the sort of stunt that gets you invited onto chat shows, where you'll have plenty of time to explain everything and answer questions. So from that perspective, I guess you could say there's no such thing as bad PR. I really don't see how this ends up being anything but a huge win for Musk (assuming the rocket doesn't explode, of course).
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But, if the car is licensed in California, doesn't he have to have collision?
He'd blast himself to a psychiatrist and some thorazine. He isn't just a loony prick, but an arrogant prick, too. I stopped taking him seriously long ago, he isn't a genius, he isn't particularly insightful, and definitely *is* sad excuse for a leader in his field. Whatever, dude.
For reference, this will let you know where the missions landed. Viking 1 is close to the equator and 2 is about half way to the pole.
Actual temperature measurements at the Viking landers' site range from 17.2 C (256.0 K; 1.0 F) to 107 C (166 K; 161 F).
This of course ignores the lack of atmosphere, water and being bombarded by radiation. Other than that - "nice".
So is it time to change Russel's teapot to Musk's roadster?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
It's not a concept car, it's the original Tesla roadster, the first car Tesla ever made.
I remember some kind of rocket powered car cruising through space in the movie Heavy Metal ...
Ok, he committed to the car... So strip it down and use it for a container.. Send things that, should the payload make it... be of use to or in the future. Off the top of my head...
Containers of water, lead or other elemental/usefuls.
Literature/science if the pages could be preserved indefinitely(time capsule).
Wheat/food can be preserved and used for 1000's of years can it not?(They managed to sprout some wheat from ancient Egypt I recall).
Personally I hope he allows a human on board one of the earlier flights to Mars. A volunteer for a 1 way trip. I'd do it, just for the novelty of possibly being the first(gotta die sometime). First man on Mars survived X days/months(with successful resupplies??); Maybe long enough to assemble/expand some (useful for the future) structures.
Oh how I wish a real businessman was in office instead of our current president.
not content with littering this planet to death with their consumerism , now they want to start in on the rest of creation.
Launch a bunch of ice and make a new artificial comet.
Not even to mention the top speed.
We got CRISPR from bacteria. A technology that could potentially rewrite life itself. What did we get from the Apollo missions?
That's not how technology works. You don't just "invent" something and then it's free everywhere in the universe. The ISS already has water and waste recycling but it is designed to work in LEO not 1G. So already the design is flawed. Then you have to look at cost. If it's $50k per kg for water cargo but $5k per kg for recycling then the recycler is a bargain. But if you try to sell water recycling to people in Mississippi for $5,000/kg your technology will be worthless.
The space industry has already solved quite a few problems with zero earth based applications because the hard technological problem isn't inventing the technology, it's making it cost effective.
Elon Musk admits he made up the story about launching a roadster to mars.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/...
The dialysis machine that kept me alive for 2.5 years until I got a transplant
Personal drones ?
to launch junk in to space. God knows there is enough of it already up there.
I agree with those who say launch something useful.
So a tesla weights 1.4 tons, how about launching 1.4 tons of Ox, some type of fuel, Structural items, etc.
I remember back in the day (1997) a guy we all knew on AOL wrote a password cracker called "Sabotage" for AOL. We were awed in amazement. Two weeks later AOL was flooded with wannabe sabotage password crackers.
I said this because, the first time something happens, it's amazing, everytime after that, its mehhh.
Mcafee built his own security company and virus scanner, you're telling this guy he can't do what he wants with his money. ;)
Except ironically he doesn't have much money left. We'll see if Tesla still exists in a few years.
I have another suggestion. Putting a roadster into orbit on any planet is going to fill up the orbit path with debris. It would be a much better idea to just crater it into mars.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
You learn each time, that's how we get there!
Did you expect perfection the first time? I mean, really?
Falcon 9 payload to Mars is 4020kg.
Tesla Model S P100D is 2250kg.
Roadster 2020 will be a bit heavier but not twice as much. Falcon 9 has enough power to send the Roadster to Mars, Musk could choose some better demonstration of Falcon Heavy, such as sending a fleet of 5 Teslas.
I have watched it, and I have seen for myself. From my own observations I can conclude that you're nuts. The red color is from sunlight filtering through earth's atmosphere.
Objects sent to Mars need to be COMPLETELY sterilized to avoid the chance of contaminating Mars with earth bacteria and possibly hiding any signs of independent development of life. I hope he doesn't actually do this stunt.
In any case, even with a high chance of failure, payload to mars could be used for scientific or engineering experiments. Maybe an experimental atmosphere -> fuel processor, or maybe even a hail Mary at a sample return mission.
There are about 5,000 people in Antarctica, despite it being an environment that will never be suitable for human habitation.
But it is very suitable for me, yes.
Heavy Metal.....
We already have a huge amount of space junk around our own planet. Do we really want to turn Mars into a publicity stunt laden dumping ground? There's got to be a law against this somewhere...
Space belongs to the people who are interested in exploring it. Nobody else gets to make laws there.
If you watched it, then which did it more look like? The timeanddate.com model? The NASA/washingtonpost model? Or did it look like the vimeo link of the real thing?
Too much partisanship for enough folks to approve of that idea. What I think is more likely is, Tesla will soon be offering a line of rocket-powered cars....
First successful dialysis was in 1946.
Nuts to Tesla, lets be clear that the first production car in space is going to be, for all intents and purposes, a Lotus. Even better, a Lotus modified such that it is even simpler (if heavier) and would actually be able to drive on Mars. Crap, I want to go to Mars with an electric Lotus Seven and a space suit. This is really setting off the fantasies. Can we put Audrey Hepburn in the passenger seat?
How is it far from straightforward? The goal is quite concrete. Failure is obvious. By "straightforward" I do not mean "easy", I mean easy to understand.
Far more straightforward than utopia on Earth, whatever that means.
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See? You couldn't address my points so you moved on. We can get to Apollo later, but first let's settle why you can see Logan's lights.
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... if you like my ride!
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He's now saying he "totally made that up".
Of course, this may be a double-fake. Just because he made it up doesn't mean he isn't doing it anyway.
I just want to see him drive it down from orbit, like in the opening of Heavy Metal.
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I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
Heavy metal! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWMPe3wF9jQ
Sorry, I'm not the A/C that you are looking for. I'm the other one. But as long as I'm here, and you're there, do be sure to check out the Blue Marble 2012 on the same wiki page. Note the size of North America.
http://www.planetary.org/multimedia/space-images/small-bodies/the-path-of-omuamua.html
Omuamua has such an unusual shape (approximately 10x as long as it is wide), that many astronomers have joked that it could be a rocket.
It is the only "asteroid" ever discovered which is so much longer than wide.
It would be extremely interesting to send a probe to take a closer look at Omuamua, just in case...
In that case, I have no idea what you are getting at. One is a flat map with distorted continent sizes, and the other is a slightly off-axis photo of the Earth. Why would they line up? Why do you expect to see South America? You can't see Europe, either, because you are looking at the bottom of the globe. If you download Celestia and plug in this string you'll see the expected view of the globe at that date and time from the moon:
cel://SyncOrbit/Sol:Earth/1972-12-07T10:49:55.18330?x=pf5CSSrstQ&y=ZklCNQh3hf///////////w&z=tyNCJ56wkv///////////w&ow=0.409521&ox=-0.191827&oy=-0.851893&oz=0.264146&select=Sol:Earth&fov=44.2006&ts=1<d=0&p=1&rf=3954455&lm=0&tsrc=0&ver=3">Open with Celestia
Rotate the globe to see that it matches your flat map almost exactly.
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Elon Musk told us he was sending a car to space, then said he totally made it up
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
The size of N. America is because the image is a composite of images stitched together to form a near-sided perspective projection. No one is even claiming this is a "snapshot" from space. North America is large because the image is purposely distorted.
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Well written. Simple query to follow: If space is fake, then what's out there?
Yes, in the old days the ballast was sand or water; a cherry red Tesla just seems cooler. I for one welcome our cherry red Tesla overlords.
We aren't going to be able to live on Mars, ever.
Maybe so, but if we do at least we'll have a nice car to drive around. Maybe he'll send up a fancy boat on the next launch.
And to garner more interest, have a car naming contest... Seriously, we all know that at some level, it is a stunt, of sorts. It doesn't follow that the effort couldn't be inspirational to many others in the future.
And the NBC Execs chasing the Enterprise is an old Chevy (Including Chevy Chase) to cancel the show on Saturday Night Live.
We have (a little) Prior Art here..
Oh Elon.. how Un-original..
Tang.
And to garner more interest, have a car naming contest...
I think they would prefer the rocket explodes on launch over sending "Cary McCarface" to orbit Mars.
Not even to mention the top speed.
And the acceleration numbers! This is so far beyond ludicrous mode, there is no word for it.
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It's far from straightforward. Besides, even in the remotest fantasy that they could survive there, people will fuck it all up just the same.
Sure they will... but the point is we will learn a lot along the way.
What we learn from trying to do things is more valuable than just doing them.
"You want to know how to help your kids? Leave them the fuck alone." -George Carlin
You're right. Tens of thousands of airline pilots are keeping the biggest secret in all of history. As are thousands of aerospace workers, everyone involved in creating GPS, and thousands of military personnel. And not one of them has let it slip.
This goes all the way to the everyone.
Meaning.
Gravity, like the ability to have friends, is an illusion perpetrated on the weak minded by the biased liberal media elite. #SadAndAngryAndAlwaysAlone
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Perhaps it's going to be sitting in orbit, so that when a facility is established on Mars, the administrator will have a really nice car, and will only need to develop a way to deorbit it?
As a Swede I support your idea and offer our parliament, paper, TV and radio main-stream media and if it was legal to say I also have a plan for even more!
When is this glorious event?
The idea and support for a round earth is much older than that.
In a million years when the aliens come, they find no sign of life in the solar system, but they find a car in orbit around the fourth planet, and say "da fuck"?
/ #FellsGoodBeingCommunist.
Over two hundred comments. Not a single informed person. Nonsense.
The FH needs to lift with a dummy payload. A Tesla fits fine. It is slated to intersect Mars orbit, but nowhere near Mars itself. It can't land, can't course correct.
How does a flat earth account for being able to fly from the US to Southeast Asia by going both east and west? Posting this from Thailand, traveled here US -> Paris -> China -> Chiang Mai (eastbound). Another available route was US -> South Korea -> Chiang Mai (westbound).
Are you saying that Delta is lying and one of these is impossible?
They have to do a test launch with payload mass in order to know if it works or not. They can either do it in a way that generates interest and PR, or put some dead ballast above it and launch it.
Why do you give a shit if the guy fires his own car into space at his own expense? How does it affection any way at all?
The majority of the semiconductor industry. Yeah, that made no difference at all.
If this is totally successful and makes it into Mars orbit, it's position, velocity, and attitude will be known; you would have to do a whole lot of math and have perfect timing to have a collision with it on purpose, doing it by accidentally would be unbelievably improbable. Plus, any future launch that even comes within 100 km of it will have some form of attitude control and can adjust its own trajectory to not collide.
Rocket scientists aren't fucking idiots.
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Yeah, all the megawatt-hours of solar power generated by SolarCity, now Tesla Energy, are no good at all.
He may not be deserving of the hero worship he gets from some people, but give some credit - that division of Tesla is the largest provider of residential solar in the US.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
Launch this payload to Mars require precise course correction and perhaps a thrust to slow it down so it will orbit Mars. Is he willing to waste the money on that? The smart Thang to Do would launch in a solar orbit that crosses Mars orbit but avoids it in the Z axis. Unless you want to lithobrake in the future.
If he wants to send a silly payload, he should make an enormous inflatable Russel's Teapot in orbit between Mars and Jupiter. Big enough to be seen from a terrestrial telescope.
Yes, in the old days the ballast was sand or water; a cherry red Tesla just seems cooler.
It'll only be cooler if the flight succeeds. If it fails, Musk will wish he had sent a boring ballast tank, as that would at least have made it seem like he didn't take failure too lightly.
I actually wonder whether this payload choice indicates that Musk's confidence in the success of the maiden flight is higher than he is willing to admit.
Let's spitball it at $100 per kilo. That puts it roughly double first-class halfway-round-the-world airfare today. For comparison, the Space Shuttle was $18,000 per kilo. The Falcon 9, to LEO, is $3,000 per kilo.
>> Why the fuck would average joe want to fly to space?
Short List:
Let's go over a few things from your original post first. I was using Slashdot mobile when I initially replied to you, and it's really terrible.
They are f-ing with you. Space is fake. The Earth is flat. The eclipses prove it. Try getting a gyroscope to show you the spinning of Earth.
If space is fake, what exactly is out there?
Solar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/230976895
Corona not shaped in a spherical configuration; orients toward Earth.
What the hell are you talking about? The corona isn't spherical to begin with. Why should it appear spherical during an eclipse? How do you get it orienting towards Earth from this video? What are you supposing that would even mean?
Corona lines can be observed to move faster than the speed of light. Light of the corona can be observed on the back of the moon. Light of the chromosphere can be observed on the back of the moon. Light of protuberences can be observed on the back of the moon.
Once again, what the hell are you talking about? Is this because you don't know what lens flare is? Or diffraction? Where do you supposedly see corona lines moving faster than the speed of light? You're talking about lens flare appearing, right? Also, you're implying what about the light of the corona? Do you think that the sun is actually in front of the moon? Or that the moon is actually inside the solar atmosphere? Even if this was the case, how would that prove a flat earth in any way?
Sun and Moon same size and near. Wiki: Allais Effect
Are you supposedly getting that from the video? If so, there's this thing called parallax. Have you heard of it? Things that are further away appear smaller than they are and appear to move more slowly. It's easy to observe. The simple fact is that you can triangulate the distance to the moon, but you'll have trouble triangulating the distance to the sun. That's because the moon is relatively close, whereas the sun is relatively far, so it's very hard to get accurate measurements for triangulation. While the experiment of triangulation can't tell you exactly how far it is to the sun, what it can tell you is that the sun is many times further away from the Earth than the moon is, and that the sun is therefore much larger than the moon.
Also, what does the Allias effect have to do with this? If it even exists, all of the proposed theories for the Allias effect would involve a spherical Earth, not a flat one. Are you proposing a different theory for the supposed Allias effect? If so, what is it?
Lunar Eclipse: https://vimeo.com/92378881
Irregular shadow shape, progression. Shadow is black, then changes color to reddish: Shadows don't change color. Moon glow of uneclipsed portion increases as shadow becomes reddish, detail lost. Moon has no rotation(see Nikola Tesla): we always see the same face. Moon emits own light. Craters not from impacts: Too round.
Why would the shadow shape be regular? Do you think the moon is flat (flat as in smooth) as well? The moon has surface features, those affect the shadow shape. Also, the Earth has mountains, etc. So the light coming past the edge of the earth won't be perfectly spherical as well. In fact, in your crazy flat earth model, wouldn't the Earth have a perfectly round edge? So how would an imperfectly round shadow on the moon prove a flat earth over a spherical one? Wouldn't it tend to point to a spherical earth _more_ than than a flat, round one? Also, the sun isn't a point light source, so shadows have fuzzy edges and the shape of the visible part of the solar disk affects them. You can easily see this looking at shadows of trees during a solar eclipse on Earth, for example.
As for the shadow appearing black, then changing color to reddish... Words can't describe my incredulity. I'm continually astounded how much people like you don't seem to understand about photography or, for that matter human vision.
So if I want to build my own rocket, fill it with a jumble of algae, lichens, archaea, and bacteria and dump it onto the Mars surface, you would be good with that?
It's my rocket, right? You can't tell me what to do with my own rocket, right?
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
On December 2 at 1:34PM, Slashdot headlines read:
A Programing Error Blasted 19 Russian Satellites Back Towards Earth
These were rocket scientists. And, they were fucking idiots.
They are not alone. There are many examples of worse errors, committed all by "rocket scientists."
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize you don't know what you are talking about.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
On a purely selfish note, I'd prefer that Elon give the Roadster to ME. (He could have my beloved little Mitsu Eclipse in exchange if he insisted.)
Still, there's something fascinating about the thought of that little red Roadster, tucked neatly into a cargo container of some sort on the top of all that howling blazing power ... and "Space Oddity" blasting away in orbit. Although there'd be no one to hear it, presumably. And no air to carry the sound.
And the thought that, someday, someone will bring it back again. The ultimate "garage find" :-)
For bonus points he should attached a solar panel to the car to keep the batteries charged, put a camera in it and the ability to transmit signal.
As most people know, just about everything on the Tesla can be controlled remotely. Now I know the range to earth would be no good. However if they put it into orbit, and eventually years later, get another spacecraft there to relay commands.... They could potentially start the engine, turn on the radio (well play music anyway, reception might be a bit spotty on Mars), flash the lights, etc... Maybe with some careful use of the window washer fluid, alter the cars rotation or something. Anyway a secondary and even more hilarious PR stunt... Though I guess without air music wouldn't work, and without satellites the GPS wouldn't either. Anyway simply having it flash it's high-beams at the arriving spaceship would be kind of funny... For even extra credit, don't tell anyone you're going to do it and see the reaction!
It's all Intelligent Falling, according to the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
SA-5, the first Saturn 1 orbital flight, flew with a payload of about 11 metric tons of Florida sand. Even the Saturn V you cite used a Block 1 CSM, a version of the craft only intended for testing. And the lunar module itself was just a dummy. It is in fact very frequent to use dummy "satellites" that are no more than engineering hardware or even just mass simulators instead of actual hardware.
Hahahaha! You said "tidy up later" in reference to humans. Are you serious?
You complete, utter, and irredeemable imbecile. The main reason many humans are looking to Mars is the ultimate goal of getting humans off of the Earth. Why? Because of the attitude you just mentioned, you completely unobservant history repeater.
You even give the perfect example of what is wrong with humans as your closing statement:
If X delivers on its promise of Y we can tidy up after ourselves later.
If fracking delivers on its promise of dirt-cheap oil prices we can tidy up after ourselves later.
If exploiting millions of people delivers on its promise of creating obscene wealth for the a few of us we can tidy up after ourselves later.
If poisoning the atmosphere, soil, and earth of our home planet delivers on its promise of otherwise insupportable human population expansion we can tidy up after ourselves later.
History has shown, without a doubt, that humans don't clean up after themselves later. Not only that, but even the idea of "clean up later" is irrelevant. Humans make permanent changes to their environment that can never be fully eradicated or ameliorated. They do not take responsibility for things up front, and when they find out how impossibly difficult it is to try to fix them on the back end, they inevitably pass the buck again.
For example, would you drink water from an aquifer under a "remediated" superfund site? Of course not, because you know humans. They didn't make it like there were never PCB's in that place. They just sprinkled some topsoil over the problem. But when it is something you want, like cheap space travel to Mars, you are all well and good to make another waste dump that will never be cleaned up. You know it too. That's the worst part.
In short, your attitude is why I identify as a hermaphrodite wallaby. Humans are stupid creatures possessing inordinately developed linguistic ability and a concomitant rationalization function that allows them to think they are smart, all the while capriciously performing astoundingly moronic activities that are self destructive. Go fuck yourselves.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
With the utmost of respect my wallaby friend, your argument is based on the idea that we never clean up after ourselves, and we constantly get worse until the point where we will extinguish ourselves entirely.
Perhaps I'm short-sighted or naive, but I don't see that as the case. We feed more people on less land today than we ever have in our history, and our standard of living is better than it has ever been. More importantly, our rate of technical progress is faster than it has ever been.
No, we don't clean up our superfund sites to the way they were before mankind touched them. We can't. Despite that, we are working aggressively not to create new ones. Global production of both PCBs and CFCs is lower now than it has been in decades. Fracking is dramatically cleaner than coal. Water treatment is better than just dumping it into rivers. To my admittedly optimistic eye it does look like we are cleaning up.
There is one area where we aren't cleaning up though, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. That sore spot is global carbon dioxide production. For us to clean this up we need power generation methods that don't require us to dig up dinosaurs and no amount of energy conservation will solve this problem. Nearly a third of the world's population lives in medieval squalor, and they are polluting like crazy just to stay alive. The standard of living for those people will increase, or they will turn to violence and be completely justified in doing so.
So how do you clean this up? You need a power generation method with zero CO2 emissions, and you need it to scale to meet global demands. You need it to not require strip mining the worlds poorest places for rare earths. You need it not to produce long-lived radioactive wastes, and you need it to be dirt cheap, too. That technology is probably space based solar power, and to build it we need a bunch of bigass heavy lift rockets. To build those rockets we have to test smallass heavy lift rockets, and those rockets need a payload. If that payload is a shiny red Tesla from the guy that is going to dominate the renewable energy market in the next decade then I am absolutely fine with cleaning that particular mess up later.